Jeremy Weiland
03-08-2002, 08:46 AM
well, since tiffani dragged me into this... :-)
> one day while looking in the new age section of a
> book store a young man approached me bible in hand
> and said this is the book you need to read-holding
> the bible out to me. at the time i was a christian
> (had read much of the bible) but i have always
> questioned things (baptist teachings just don't
> feel right to me) and was just looking for answers
> he made feel as though i was doing something wrong-i
> guess he was sto??
whether he was sto or sts is really not the point.
the point is, did you desire the service? the fact
that you didn't feel right about the type of teachings
he was representing should have been proof that it
just wasn't for you - and if you felt you were doing
something wrong, that was him just using that feeling
within you.
but i think if anybody came up to me and said i only
need to read one book out of all the awesome spiritual
literature we have on this planet, that would be a
clear sign that this person is not representing the
highest truth that i am capable of perceiving.
> but i think ra says something to the exten of
> unwarranted sto is not necessarily sto...
if you impose service on another person, is that sto?
i would argue that that is not the highest and purest
form of service. however, we have the choice of both
polarities, and we can do what we want. just because
we do a sts act doesn't mean we are sts from then on.
the important thing is to acknowledge the full
spectrum of activity available to us. ultimately, i
think the actions we take with that spectrum are
determined by our identity - what we think we are.
> i mean this could be an interesting
> discussion...what if the other person
> doesn't feel that your service is sto what if they
> feel it is sts...even if "you" believe it is
> sto...how is any of it not a
> violation of free will...
well, but you're implying that there is a "right" way
to render service and a "wrong" way... i don't think
that's the case. your action could be seen as self
serving by one person and actually be a complete
radiation by yourself. the service itself is much
less important than the lessons learned and the
polarization that takes place as a result of that,
imho. i mean, service is service. even if it's
negative service, it can help you.
and like i was saying before in my discussion with
karen (sorry i dropped the ball on that... it was just
getting to a point where i needed to integrate all the
things we were saying - besides the fact that i think
we were saying a lot of the same things anyway), i
think we need a definition of will, and then what
"free will" is - as in, what it is about the excercise
of will in a certain capacity that makes it free.
i would argue that free will is the ability to choose
from that full spectrum of activity/creativity that i
mentioned earlier. it doesn't mean that you are
isolated; it doesn't mean that other people will not
infringe upon your will. what it means, i guess, is
that you have the creative ability to define how you
will perceive reality. because, ultimately, the way
you perceive reality is going to determine how free
your will is, right?
love to hear from y'all,
jeremy
p.s. and oh yes every so often i go awol... email
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> one day while looking in the new age section of a
> book store a young man approached me bible in hand
> and said this is the book you need to read-holding
> the bible out to me. at the time i was a christian
> (had read much of the bible) but i have always
> questioned things (baptist teachings just don't
> feel right to me) and was just looking for answers
> he made feel as though i was doing something wrong-i
> guess he was sto??
whether he was sto or sts is really not the point.
the point is, did you desire the service? the fact
that you didn't feel right about the type of teachings
he was representing should have been proof that it
just wasn't for you - and if you felt you were doing
something wrong, that was him just using that feeling
within you.
but i think if anybody came up to me and said i only
need to read one book out of all the awesome spiritual
literature we have on this planet, that would be a
clear sign that this person is not representing the
highest truth that i am capable of perceiving.
> but i think ra says something to the exten of
> unwarranted sto is not necessarily sto...
if you impose service on another person, is that sto?
i would argue that that is not the highest and purest
form of service. however, we have the choice of both
polarities, and we can do what we want. just because
we do a sts act doesn't mean we are sts from then on.
the important thing is to acknowledge the full
spectrum of activity available to us. ultimately, i
think the actions we take with that spectrum are
determined by our identity - what we think we are.
> i mean this could be an interesting
> discussion...what if the other person
> doesn't feel that your service is sto what if they
> feel it is sts...even if "you" believe it is
> sto...how is any of it not a
> violation of free will...
well, but you're implying that there is a "right" way
to render service and a "wrong" way... i don't think
that's the case. your action could be seen as self
serving by one person and actually be a complete
radiation by yourself. the service itself is much
less important than the lessons learned and the
polarization that takes place as a result of that,
imho. i mean, service is service. even if it's
negative service, it can help you.
and like i was saying before in my discussion with
karen (sorry i dropped the ball on that... it was just
getting to a point where i needed to integrate all the
things we were saying - besides the fact that i think
we were saying a lot of the same things anyway), i
think we need a definition of will, and then what
"free will" is - as in, what it is about the excercise
of will in a certain capacity that makes it free.
i would argue that free will is the ability to choose
from that full spectrum of activity/creativity that i
mentioned earlier. it doesn't mean that you are
isolated; it doesn't mean that other people will not
infringe upon your will. what it means, i guess, is
that you have the creative ability to define how you
will perceive reality. because, ultimately, the way
you perceive reality is going to determine how free
your will is, right?
love to hear from y'all,
jeremy
p.s. and oh yes every so often i go awol... email
lists can get to a certain point where you just need a break.
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