ascension and "conspiracies"

[Vermillion]

no other work resonates with me like davids and the law of one. i believe in the whole illuminati and black ops experiences and hidden technologies but i have one question about it.

would not the fear of such things cause a lower vibration going into ascension?

i look at the black ops projects as amazing. but wont the fear of these other entities such as the annunaki and so forth lower your vibration?

[KassandraLoves]

it is true that fear is a lower vibrational emotion, but we are here to experience the entire gamet of emotions that 3d has to offer. its ok to be scared sometimes, but we must not let fear guide our lives and our experiences...

love to you!

[christincook]

i read something somewhere recently that really resonated with me. it had to do with the negative elite/et's serving as catalysts for the rest of us. we need them here to provide us with choices. they actually, in a way, are doing a service to humanity by providing us with multiple catalysts that might change our own paradigms, as well as the world collectively.

[KassandraLoves]

i read something somewhere recently that really resonated with me. it had to do with the negative elite/et's serving as catalysts for the rest of us. we need them here to provide us with choices. they actually, in a way, are doing a service to humanity by providing us with multiple catalysts that might change our own paradigms, as well as the world collectively.

i agree with this 100%, negativity sucks, but without it, we may as well throw in the towel. we really cant learn without it.

sun alone will kill your crops, but throw some rain in there and bam. recipe for success...

[Vermillion]

i read something somewhere recently that really resonated with me. it had to do with the negative elite/et's serving as catalysts for the rest of us. we need them here to provide us with choices. they actually, in a way, are doing a service to humanity by providing us with multiple catalysts that might change our own paradigms, as well as the world collectively.

that is very true. its like the saying there can not be light with out darkness. its all one creation working together as one.

[Metamorpheus]

i read something somewhere recently that really resonated with me. it had to do with the negative elite/et's serving as catalysts for the rest of us. we need them here to provide us with choices. they actually, in a way, are doing a service to humanity by providing us with multiple catalysts that might change our own paradigms, as well as the world collectively.

yes, that is absolutely true. this is the irony of the self-serving path; the destruction its followers create provides sto beings with chances to enhance their service, and undecided souls with situations wherein they can choose their orientation. it benefits both parties.

i believe that the upper echelons of the illuminati are higher density sto souls who have chosen to incarnate as sts personas for this very purpose - and conscious of it. perfecting the art of service through self-service, so to speak. in fact, i believe that all third density cycles are divinely appointed with catalyst-inducing manipulators from the very start.

[mmariebored]

yes, that is absolutely true. this is the irony of the self-serving path; the destruction its followers create provides sto beings with chances to enhance their service, and undecided souls with situations wherein they can choose their orientation. it benefits both parties.

i believe that the upper echelons of the illuminati are higher density sto souls who have chosen to incarnate as sts personas for this very purpose - and conscious of it. perfecting the art of service through self-service, so to speak. in fact, i believe that all third density cycles are divinely appointed with catalyst-inducing manipulators from the very start.
nothing like giving evil an excuse to be evil. great job.

[KassandraLoves]

nothing like giving evil an excuse to be evil. great job.

we aren't excusing "evil". we are loving all because even those that are percieved as evil have the same soul value as those that are good. whether we like it or not, evil is a part of our lives here. period.

we are simply stating the optomistic view that because its always going to be there, we may as well take what positive things we can get from it and leave the rest behind.

why sit there and curse the darkness? it gets nothing done. we battle it without turning dark ourselves and hating those entities for what they do. when you stand back, you can see the bigger picture.

[KassandraLoves]

pain is perception and nothing more. but while it is percieved as pain, it will always serve as a catalyst for change.

love to you all!

[metaman]

fear is a choice, allways has been and allways will be. just choose not to fear it.

[mmariebored]

we aren't excusing "evil". we are loving all because even those that are percieved as evil have the same soul value as those that are good. whether we like it or not, evil is a part of our lives here. period.

we are simply stating the optomistic view that because its always going to be there, we may as well take what positive things we can get from it and leave the rest behind.

then why put them in jail when they do their evil deeds? why not thank them instead? tell them it was all worth it because we learned something from it, no worries...

[Metamorpheus]

nothing like giving evil an excuse to be evil. great job.

when did i excuse 'evil'? just because you can recognise its function in the bigger picture, it doesn't mean you should simply accept 'injustices' when they come your way. and, in my opinion, we really need to drop terms like 'good' and 'evil', they are subjective, judgmental and imply that one path for the creator to explore itself it better than the other. while embracement of the sto path is ultimately required for the higher densities because the qualities it cultivates are those of who we really are, it doesn't mean that souls who choose self-service are 'wrong' to do so. they are simply taking a different route to the majority, and their actions lead to greater understanding for both themselves and those they provide catalysts for.

thanks kassandra, in my opinion you definitely see 'the bigger picture' :)

[Just Be]

i have to agree bloodoftheberry and kassandraloves.

i learned something recently that really had a profound impact on my perspective. we live in a world of duality and we have all played the role of good and evil, prey and victim, rich and poor, etc. therefore, we should not judge others because we have been 'them'. it is these experiences that make us who we are.


then why put them in jail when they do their evil deeds? why not thank them instead? tell them it was all worth it because we learned something from it, no worries...

mmariebored: you're being judgemental. besides isn't 'evil' relative and based on perception? our society is so quick to label people and punish them for it. give people love and understanding, and watch their so-call "evil" ways heal and disintegrate. punish them, and watch how they continue to commit the same crime. you can look to our jail system if you want proof of that.

[samncheese]

we are here to learn the true nature of ourselves. not knowing our past or our futur allows us for the first time to see inside our spirits and know for a fact if we are good or bad. this life is a double blind test of the cosmos.

in other times and places we had full memory of past life and futur events. only in this place with our memories blocked and our sences dulled to the point of almost blindness can we truly see inside to the true nature of who we are.

[KassandraLoves]

i learned something recently that really had a profound impact on my perspective. we live in a world of duality and we have all played the role of good and evil, prey and victim, rich and poor, etc. therefore, we should not judge others because we have been 'them'. it is these experiences that make us who we are.

i agree with this 100%. how do you know that some things you have done in this life or in another life wouldnt be percieved by someone as "evil." its so completely based on perception. evil to one person may not be evil to another and same with goodness.

duality is something you can only define for yourself.

we arent congratulating darkness. we are accepting it with love no matter what we may percieve. we are not the judge or the jury here. only you are the judge and jury of your soul. i cant say what is good and evil...it is simply not my place. all i know is that whatever i glean from my experience is solely up to me, and i can chose to blame and be a victim because of the "evil" lurking around every corner, or i can choose to manifest love and light into all that i do. and i will give that same love and light to even the "evil" because those are the soulds that need it the most.

i think that to live above the illusion, you must absolutely throw judgement of others out the window. we can never truly know anyone in this state. and the best medicine i can offer is love. and to truly heal with love, it must be unconditional. unfortunately we dont live in a society that upholds these views and we continue to punish instead of heal. maybe one day we will realize this as a whole and move into a more harmonious and loving environment, whether the darkness is present or not.

love is the only healer. you are not a victim unless you percieve it that way. we are great manifestors, creators...if we just changed the way we think and moved away from the old views, we just might open up enough to see how er truly do create our own reality.

lets leave our judgements of others' actions at the door.

[Enivid]

i read something somewhere recently that really resonated with me. it had to do with the negative elite/et's serving as catalysts for the rest of us. we need them here to provide us with choices. they actually, in a way, are doing a service to humanity by providing us with multiple catalysts that might change our own paradigms, as well as the world collectively.

so true. the negative is a catalyst.

and we must never forget that we are the negative as much as we are the positive.

its all one. :)

so embrace the negative, don't let it put your mood in fear, just accept that it exists and do something to stop it from encouraging fear and instead make sure love is spread! just like david wilcock is doing!

without the negative we wouldn't be who we are like someone said, and its very true! we must never forget that we are all one in this eternal universe and creation!

we have just begun our journey, we have alot to experience, way more then we can cram into a 'normal' human existence in 3d :)

[christincook]

i believe that the upper echelons of the illuminati are higher density sto souls who have chosen to incarnate as sts personas for this very purpose - and conscious of it. perfecting the art of service through self-service, so to speak.

i believe this too. when i first encountered this idea it was such an "ah ha" moment for me. i totally saw things from a different perspective. it reminded me of the oprah show, and how she has these great moments where she, and/or guests on her show say "i never thought of it that way".

those negative sts entities are denying their own true natures, in order to help us evolve; it is actually such a self-less and beautiful act on their part. this is why it is so important that when we experience those negative emotions, and the negative beings; that we embrace them and love them. love does conquer all, and it is what we are here to learn and perfect right now.

the polarity disappears in sixth density anyways.

i also like what was said earlier about how we have all been that negative being at some point... we've all played the victim, the aggressor, the winner, the loser. so love them all, because they are all a part of each of us, and we all are one, and the one is all.

as far as the "evil" discussion earlier, and prisoners/criminals, etc... we are not omnipotent beings (yet ;-)), and cannot see those individuals' entire soul journey. therefore, we may not be aware (for example) that the person they killed or victimized may have killed or victimized them in a previous life (again, that's just an example).

it's actually really interesting how they dealt with criminals in atlantean times. i've been reading "the dweller on two planets", from david's suggested reading list, and have been completely awestruck by this book. apparently, they would literally change the way the criminals' brains worked, by first diagnosing, and then actually fixing the "deficiencies". they used some type of advanced technology to do this; possibly partially electrical in nature. in the examples given, this involved manipulating, or even shutting down certain areas of the brain.

[missjo]

i settled this within myself a few months ago. i believe we each choose the lessons or experiences we will have in a given lifetime. each one, in order to become a fully experienced being, must experience lifetimes with a wide variety of situations. one life we may be wealthy another poor, one life a victim and the next an oppressor. as another person here said, it is all part of the bigger picture that we are not going to fully comprehend until a future date.

this in no way makes the pain we see, the suffering we endure or watch other endure any less painful, but it does put things into perspective. we are all on the path of development, humans and et's alike. it is only to be expected there would be a variety of personalities and motivations.

[transiten]

although i think we choose our parents and circumstances to be born into to learn different "lessons" i have a problem with the notion that someone highly evolved 6d-sto should deliberately choose to be "evil" just to "help" us make experiences and learn our lessons..

...this thought gives me nausea:(...i think it's not as "easy" a that...is there anywhere in the loo this perspective is mentioned?? and it surely doesn't resonate with other concepts of reincarnation where you actually experience and reap what you once did act out in former lifetimes.

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[larissa]

reading that bit about the atlanteans manipulating brains to stop criminal behavior gave me a bad feeling. i wouldn't want someone messing with my brain to improve my behavior. manipulation getting out of control was supposedly one of the reasons for atlantean destruction, and i personally get an uncomfortable feeling if i find myself gaining power, like there was a time in my distant past when i misused that power.

when criminal behavior is attributed to something like lead poisoning in children, which appears to be a big issue these days, then eliminating the lead out of the system would be a good idea. or additives in food causing hyperactivity and a.d.d. eliminating the source of the problem makes more sense than fixing it after it's gone bad.

i like the discussion about luciferian goodness/badness being a catalyst for change of consciousness, i first came across that idea in the [specific] material. what a fascinating concept. i don't believe it is an excuse for evil.

i sometimes feel guilty for having the luxury of being able to sit around and discuss these issues with all the suffering and pain happening in this world. it's easy to talk, but when a person is faced with the immediate issue of violence and struggle for survival, what good are concepts. we're very lucky in this country.

i came across a tourist from texas visiting nepal who was bitterly complaining about the conditions in the hotel and the disgusting poverty in the country. it made me sad. then there was my friend who cried over the street kids and gave them everything she could, and another who set up a foundation to save the street dogs.

it takes all kinds to make up this world. this thread is about ascension and conspiracies. black and white. i believe in conspiracies on all levels, it's the abuse of power, and i believe in ascension, the inevitable evolution of consciousness. and i believe in nothing, because it's all an illusion and game anyway.

[KassandraLoves]

i think its a lot like a roller coaster.

you decide your gonna get on the ride, before youre on it. then, when youre on it and that rickety bar slides down onto your lap, you forget why the heck you thought this was a good idea.
then you get really freaked out and scream all the way through the huge drops and the loop-de-loops. you might even get brave enough to throw your hands in the air, while still scared and screaming.
then, when it comes to a stop? all you wanna do is get back in line and have another go at it!

i think the re-incarnation cycle is a lot like that. it sounds sick from our perspective that we would subject ourselves to negativity. it sounds crazy that we'd strap ourselves in to a roller coaster that will literally scare the sh** out of us and make us scream the entire time we're on it.

but the point is'nt the actual ride itself, although the experiences can be fun, frightening, and whatever else. its the way it makes you smile when youre back on the ground, you know? you can't judge the value of this "rollercoaster" until youre off of it and looking from a distance. we do that with our incarnations here before and after we are in them. it may have seemed nuts while we were on it, but then we get off and see that it was friggin schweeeet and we realize that we weren't gonna die that whole time we were gripping the bar with white knuckles scared of just exactly that.

thats just my logic on the subject....i guess we will never know until we are off this dang ride, huh!? :d

[Bill]

mmariebored,

first, i want to honor your questions. i realize the wisdom and the passion behind them. thank you for asking them. i understand exactly your questioning, as i wondered about these as well. this is a crucial question, and a crucial point, for those that are beginning to question thier beliefs, and their role in this world.

it represents a very fragile point that should be recognize, lest we push them back into fear-based thinking because we felt we knew better. so, thank you.

this is a very deep point to get across. you have heard numerous reasons why we should embrace the fear and evil, but that is awfully hard to rationalize while you are facing it. and, as you have heard, it is the rationalizing that makes it difficult to get through. i honestly don't know how to respond, or present anything that can assist with the rationalizing, because if you are asking the questions, trying to justify it spiritually just doesn't cut it. i think the only way to make a difference if you have been there, and can demonstrate that the spiritual approach listed here works. but, that has to come from the wonderer asking, not the wise one telling them.

so, not sure if that helps, but wanted to make sure you knew that i understand the what and why, and i wanted to make sure you knew your questions are honored.

[Jimbo]

i, too, see a logical difficulty here. if all is one any distinction between self and other must be illusory; and, therefore, so is any distinction between service to self and service to others. perhaps in a realm governed by illusion, illusion holds sway over greater truth--the lesser rules the greater locally; perhaps this inversion precipitates paradox, allowing false distinctions to be functionally operative. this would allow service to self and service to others to be meaningfully distinct ideas despite their reliance on an erroneous perception. but, then, the purpose of the exposition of the law of one would seem to be to reveal the underlying falsity of the sts-sto dichotomy. to what end but confusion? this is where things get a little conspiratorial for me.

in chemistry, a catalyst is something introduced into a chemical reaction in order to speed it up, not cause it to happen where, otherwise, it would not. purportedly, negativity is supposed to accelerate the pace of our progress. why does it have to be accelerated? is the evolution of the universe on a tight schedule? what if it's a clever deception to actually sidetrack or subvert our evolution by taking our eyes off the material prize. maybe our evolution is best served by the slow, steady progress achieved in encountering the natural, uncatalyzed negativity inherent in our material reality.

if the so-called "fourth density" is exactly equivalent to the "astral plane", it's game over! evolution is then not the name of this game--death is! 4d is then not something to be sought after or desired in some other time frame, but is rather here and now forming the foundational matrix of our physical bodies. there are "negative" inhabitants of the astral who are not capable of incarnation, but who realize the desirability of it, and who may "taste" it through a psychical "possession" of, and congress with, an incarnate being. my jury is still out on this one...

[Deerclan]

i think its a lot like a roller coaster. [...]
thats just my logic on the subject....i guess we will never know until we are off this dang ride, huh!? :d

i love that roller coaster analogy, kassandra. to my way of thinking, it fits perfectly. i like all the positive energy you keep bringing here.

i dunno, it's kind of a synchronicity for me to come here and see this discussion taking place, because i seem to have been having some "memories" about it surface recently. i cannot ground it into any reality, so as of right now those memories are only pieces of imagination. but boy, are they vivid.

[jc1]

hi beautiful people,

i searched out this discussion rather than starting a new thread with the above question. i read all the posts with increasing understanding & near revelation but am still not there yet, if you would be kind enough to enlighten me with your opinions & knowledge, i would be very grateful.

a soon to come event has caused me to search deep into my heart & faith.
the end of this year, 2009, sees the "codex alimentarius" being brought to bare on an unsuspecting population in the uk.

for those that don't know, this is the restriction & classification of all vitamins & minerals as toxic substances & the irradiation of all fresh fruit & veg & the end of mandatory labelling for gm foods.

my question is, is it worth getting into the politics of trying to stop this?
for one thing, politics would not be able to stop this as it goes beyond governments as we all know, it is an nwo agenda to degrade our health still further. for another, i have heard somewhere that to resist is futile as it just polarises the situation.

if i were to try to tell people about this terrible affront to their freedom, would i just be spreading fear & negativity myself?

i am a student of a course in miracles, therefore i practise forgiveness everywhere i look which brings up all kinds of issues in me (which is what it's supposed to do). but maybe getting involved in the politics of this would be dependent on my intent? that would go further than just going through the motions would it not?

would, perhaps, this issue help to define me? as some earlier posts say, these negative sts agendas help us to make positive choices. my dilemma is, could i make a positive choice to resist these moves by spreading the news of this impending madness & trying to come up with ways to "wake people up?"

questions, questions, hopefully i will be able to sleep tonight. one thing i'm going to do for sure is to start growing my own veg.

love & light to you all,

jc1

[aqcheryl]

would, perhaps, this issue help to define me? as some earlier posts say, these negative sts agendas help us to make positive choices. my dilemma is, could i make a positive choice to resist these moves by spreading the news of this impending madness & trying to come up with ways to "wake people up?"

questions, questions, hopefully i will be able to sleep tonight. one thing i'm going to do for sure is to start growing my own veg.

love & light to you all, jc1

nothing is black and white, compromise becomes a facet to satisfy both ends of the 'service to' pendulum.

i walked this path only recently. on myspace, i have many "fight nwo" friends, and they believe in fighting for their freedom. i believe in standing up for what is right, a bit of the ole indigo warrior hehe
so one cannot just sit by and do nothing. thats one end of the pendulum. the other is to keep quiet... but keeping quiet doesnt stop anything. information is power and it awakens people to truth. only by being knowledgeable do we stop any form of enslavement.

so whats the compromise? ive found it is to let light and love be the path to truth. inform others, but keep emotion out of it. knowing negative information causes fear... do not feel fear for what you hear. because even if you relay it to someone else without falling into the trap of fear mongering, our energy is poured into our communication, and they will feel it regardless of the words. so thats the trick, i find... inform them, but do so on a fact basis. inform others of both this and the truth that its not something to fear, for we will overcome.

balance in all things.