Best Way to introduce someone

[Wade Krueger]

hi, i have a family that is very distant from this type of thinking, they go to a evangelical church and have solid values of what the bible says.. etc.

i was wondering what the best way is to introduce someone into davids ideas & teachings. what videos should i show them first? in what order? what types of things should i give them to read.

my mother is currently reading a book called "left behind"

i don't really agree with everything in that book.. i guess i just dont know how to approach her with this stuff.

[KassandraLoves]

its something that you cant really introduce to some one who isnt "seeking it" in my opinion. only because, if they arent out there looking for alternative answers to the ones they have traditionally been given, then they will probably look at you like your crazy...

this is how i get people interested without even giving them any of the information: i give off the "ask me" vibes. sounds weird, but i swear! the second i stopped trying to show people and just started living my own found truths, i started giving off the "ask me" vibes. and guess what? people started asking me. and i think that if they are honestly asking you about "why are you so happy" or "what do you think about _______" then bam. thats my way in. i also share the less "fringe" info and chat about it in regular conversation. once they see that people can be very happy and still believe in researching some traditionally weird stuff, they will ask and you will be happily ready to tell...

its difficult to explain but ive done this in the workplace. the instant i just gave off the vibes, people started seeing that something was different about me and they honestly asked questions.

my motto is, if you ask me? i will genuinely tell you anything. i will point out the thought-provoking videos and reading material. but its a journey i cannot take you on. you must take yourself on it. :d

hopefully that makes some kind of sense...hahaha...

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well kassandra

that really resonates with me! but sometimes even those who are seeking will oppose you when you tell them your own way of seeking, and then of course the lesson is to not get manipulated into that powergame even if they get angry with you when you declare you don't want to argue...

...anyone having these experiences? like asking you to look into their chart and transits and then denying they believe in that when in company with other disbelievers...this is probably a karma i carry on from having misused my occult abilities in former lifetimes...

tomorrow is the day when the three "wise men"/astrologers found their way to the newborn "king" that would be greater than herodes....

let it be, let it be, let it be let it be, speaking words of wisdom, let it be..
(although mother mary in this instance was paul mccartneys own mother)

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[mmariebored]

applause, kassandraloves.

wade krueger, i completely understand your dilema as i've been there myself.
you see a person becoming more and more 'brainwashed' in their religion or belief system, and it may be harmfully effecting their outlook on life, so you want to try and share other views and eventually they'll 'snap out of it'.

the key is to look for the correct opening. sometimes there are many of what look like the right one, but answering it with what you know may push the person deeper into their 'labyrinth', because you could look like the scary monster they were warned about. the one you want is the opening with the heavy 'seeking' feel to it, attatched to a weakness in the chains they're bound in. opening that link for them may free them or may give them the strength they need to free themselves. it's very important not to come off as pushy or insistant that they become 'free'.

as far as where to lead them or which video to give them...i could have watched the video that helped me recently five years ago and it wouldn't have phased me one bit. it's a matter of timing. observing their growth, if they ever do grow, some people don't. some people are quite happy to live in their own trappings for this whole lifetime. pulling them out may be their undoing, like uprooting a full-grown tree and replanting it on the other side of the lake, facing the other side of the sun, it will not thrive. the ones who will thrive in this teaching are the ones who are already withering in their present situation and are showing marked signs of 'seeking'.

[christincook]

hi, i have a family that is very distant from this type of thinking, they go to a evangelical church and have solid values of what the bible says.. etc.

i was wondering what the best way is to introduce someone into davids ideas & teachings. what videos should i show them first? in what order? what types of things should i give them to read.



there is material out there that is "fringe", but is well-suited to those with a strong background in christianity. i myself have a strong christian background, and still consider myself a christian, and attend non-denominational services whenever i can.

at least your family is on the right track, and they believe in something. that something just so happens to be jesus christ!!! he is a great place to start out on an inward journey. maybe if you could try to talk to them more about the second coming, and how it is really an awakening of the christ consciousness within each of us, as opposed to a physical return. there are also so many other parts of revelation that parallel with current metaphysical topics.

it might take some work on your part, but you can find parts of david's material, and the law of one that reinforce biblical elements. they aren't very hard to find, and are many more than "few and far between". you could do some searches on this website, and compile something for your family; showing genuine excitement when you present it... "hey guys, look what i found!!! ...and it's exactly what the bible says!"

i think the bible may be getting a bit of a bad rap lately. it still is one of the best sources of metaphysical teaching and divine love out there. please try not to see david's material as wildly different from it, or even in opposition. the two definitely go hand in hand.

as far as david's videos are concerned, your family might not be ready for them yet. i would find the written nuggets that already coincide with their beliefs, before digging into the videos. once your family is comfortable with the first few batches of similarities, then you can move onto the more "risky" stuff, like in the videos.

it might also be easier to start with edgar cayce's materials... since he was a devout christian his entire life. many christians are well-versed in cayce's material.

it is never good to force ideas on people, but it never hurts to give a little nudge in the right direction; especially given the times that we live in. at least your family isn't a bunch of agnostics or atheists... then you'd really have a problem on your hands ;)

i have a feeling that you will be successful in opening new doors of exploration for them :)

[Ali Quadir]

it does not always work out... my grandfather insisted on reading a book he found in my book case :) it had pyramids on the cover and he likes egypt. i told him that it's probably not a book he'd like... but he insisted.

i have this three count rule. borrowed from my occult past. if someone insists 3 times i generally do what i can within limits to give them their wish. it's to avoid my ego making choices for others. so i ended up making a play argument where he insisted three times and then giving him the book.

let me summarize the results by saying he didn't like it much. first of all, aliens did not build the pyramids because they don't exist. atlantis never existed. and the whole sacred geometry thing is all coincidental. :) anyway, those were the insights he returned the book to me with... and i told him it's just an opinion some people hold that i was curious after.

but on the whole, it gave me the idea that being messy about your books and having duplicates of a few good easy readable ones to accidentally leave on the coffee table for people to pick up on their own initiative sounds like a good strategy. i'd add that i see no sense in arguing after they make the point that it's nonsense. it's their opinion, they're free to have it. if it doesn't grab them in some way. then that's that. maybe they need more time, maybe they'll encounter something about the subject later that reminds them of the book.

at any rate if you leave it on the coffee table then the invitation is open to everyone who sees it. not just those who you suspect might like it... also, even if they disagree. they at least get to know some of the material. which might cause them to pick up on clues later. i suggest you leave a book on a table. see what happens and have no obvious opinion on the matter. let it be like a riddle for people to figure out on their own. once they make up their mind they will be open to our opinions. otherwise it'll just end up in a clash of egos... that does not benefit anyone.

ps. the book was [please pm for title and author]. a fun read, and easy to pick up and put down.

[Wade Krueger]

wow, thanks for the replies.. this helps me understand more of where i need to come from.

i guess i was on the wrong track trying to force feed all the information.

this truely helps me you guys. thanks.

[mmariebored]

at least your family isn't a bunch of agnostics or atheists... then you'd really have a problem on your hands...

quite the opposite, as far as agnostics are concerned.

agnostics are openminded people whereas 'true believers' in christianity usually believe that "every word in the bible came from god" which is as small-minded as you can possibly get. he'd have a much more successful time convincing a person whose mind is open to all possibilities, as agnostic's are, than a person whose mind prefers to be sheltered in the confines of one book they barbarically deem as 'holy'.

as far as revelation matching up with david's theories...
david talks (http://www.divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?p=43482#post43482) about alien beings who stand 15 feet tall, treat humans like disgusting beasts and 'property' and who have information that parallels other alien beings who've visited this planet at different time periods. these beings would like nothing more than to keep the humans on this planet in slavery and worshiping them as 'gods'. it would not surprise me one bit if calling yourself "christian" gives verbal permission for them to enslave you and it would not surprise me one bit if the reason revelation is so packed with blood and gore is because it was written by these very same hate-filled beings who desire, more than anything, to be worshipped. of course they'd have knowledge of future events on this planet, a planet they want very much a piece of.

you try to pass this information off to a full bred christian and see if they don't call you the 'antichrist'. an agnostic would have a much easier time swallowing this pill than someone who was warned over and over and threatened with eternal hellfire if they believe anything outside of the bible.


"at least they believe in something"
i hate to break it to you, but that's not always a good thing.

[christincook]

1).quite the opposite, as far as agnostics are concerned.

agnostics are openminded people ...

2).as far as revelation matching up with david's theories...
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3).i hate to break it to you, but that's not always a good thing. (in reference to it being a good thing that someone believes in "something")

1). every agnostic i've known; and i've known many, have been very closed-minded. mind you, i am well-aware that that's not how all agnostics may be.

2). i was not comparing revelation to david's material. i said that the book of revelation parallels what many metaphysical authors out there today talk about. i was saying that many concepts from the bible can be paralled with david's material, albeit not revelation specifically. revelation really, in my mind, stands apart from the rest of the bible... almost in the same way that "the fool" stands outside of the rest of the major arcana.

3). in my mind, it is always good to believe in something as opposed to nothing. but, that is just my opinion. i can't think of anyone whom i've known that's held the belief that when you die you go into a hole in the ground and that's it (and again, i've known a few); who has not led a miserable existence, and always had an sense of emptiness in their lives.


furthermore, my comments on this thread were suggestions to a friend calling out for assistance. i did not realize that my entire response would be knit-picked. if you desire a battle of wits, feel free to pm me anytime.

you may also want to watch your mouth when putting down christians, being that it is still the majority religion, and has been a path which has led many to enlightenment. additionally, i am a christian, as are others who post on these forums. please try to be a little more respectful.

[mmariebored]

furthermore, my comments on this thread were suggestions to a friend calling out for assistance.
our discussion will do more good than harm, as it is what is to be expected should he engage in the very same with his inquisitive loved one.
what are you worried about?


revelation really, in my mind, stands apart from the rest of the bible... almost in the same way that "the fool" stands outside of the rest of the major arcana.
do explain this point you made. as far as i was aware, the "fool" represented a sort of open canvas and i fail to see the similarities between that and the very doomplot-oriented book of revelation. same as the rest of the bible.



in my mind, it is always good to believe in something as opposed to nothing.
true, like believing that recycling your trash instead of piling it in a heap on the earth will benefit the planet in the long run for our children. this is a wonderful "belief" and brings happy thoughts of a clean and well-maintained future earth for all our little children and grandchildren, a very happy thought indeed.


i can't think of anyone whom i've known that's held the belief that when you die you go into a hole in the ground and that's it (and again, i've known a few); who has not led a miserable existence, and always had an sense of emptiness in their lives.
i'm sure you just need to get out more because there are plenty of people who love the world as it truly is, full of wonders and adventures and things yet to be discovered.

far better than the expected doom and gloom in the book you're reading.

[KassandraLoves]

i think we should take it down a notch here ladies and gents.

we need not have a debate regarding "which people act whichever way."

plain and simple? people are people. they are unpredictable no matter what beliefs they may claim to have. they could change their minds at any second and we only do ourselves a great diservice by lumping people of any train of thought into a "category."

we are all like the ocean and our currents change and our waters recede and what have you.

lets just adhere to the fact that we should do our best to try not to convince people of anything and just give them the opportunity to convince themselves by sharing what we know upon request. thats the point of this i think. we can be here to be a "wayshower" if you will, when they are good and ready to listen to the information. even if they are never ready, i know i will be waiting. i will give to whoever needs it. and if i give to those who dont, i do it quietly and discreetly.

we mustnt make the mistake of "classifying" people. you may end up missing the one person you could make a huge difference to by doing so.

love is for everyone. :d its not about who we think is closed or open minded. you must be willing to give love to all. period.

[Bill]

as i have shared with a few folks...

tis mine to shine the light, not to tell you what to see....

[ggw_bach]

online videos are the best way.

low stress, and in your face. doesn't take a lot of concentration, and all it needs is a link.

my own personal journey started courtesy of stumble upon, and catching a long 2012 vid by someone who won't be named here.

just a random occurence, and one wanders on the path of the truth movement.

that's the beauty of the web; enhanced and multiplying synchronicites; more calling cards from the kind hand of fate.

so don't push it, just pass on a link - with a little note, watch this!!

:)

[djdennyg]

pointing out the scientific facts is always important and showing evidence of proof if necessary. science has basically proven a intelligent design :)

[daernoth]

how to approach your family about these teachings?

hard hard question.

people are very different and are at all kinds of different stages. in my own path i can look back and see how i was not open to certain messages at certain times and yet... a year later i was ready.

what i would do is... i would disagree with them every so often when they state something you think is wrong. do not be pushy however. if they are open to a discussion on the subject state your reasons for disagreement and see how they respond.

this way you can see who has an open mind and to what ideas they may be open to.

some people you will see will respond very negatively to anybody disagreeing with them no matter the quality of your argument. leave these people alone. others will gladly argue with you and talk about how they view the world. take note: do they have well thought-out reasons for their beliefs or are their beliefs purely the product of their upbringing? even if they do not see the truth of what you say, you will learn more about how the human mind thinks, of how people gain their biases and use this knowledge to explore your own biases. we all have them.

whatever you may learn in the world outside always return with this new knowledge and seek within in meditation to understand better what you have observed. you can always learn more about yourself from your interactions with others and that is more important than changing anyones mind about anything.

god bless!

[christincook]

how to approach your family about these teachings?

you can always learn more about yourself from your interactions with others and that is more important than changing anyones mind about anything.




this is such a golden nugget of truth, and it's what it is all about. when it comes down to it, it's not about "converting" people. everyone will get there in their own time, in their own way.

its hard, especially for people like us to just let our loved ones keep on living their lives in what we may see as the dark, but we do need to let them find their own way. however, i do feel that putting the info out there, so that they may form their own opinions is a good thing. more and more, i've begun incorporating my new age beliefs into everyday conversation as it seems fit. that way, for me at least, its not such a daunting task when the heavier conversations come up where you really want to bring out the big guns.

however, if your friends/family are very hard-nosed, just let them be. they will find the truth eventually, and it will be obvious who is receptive to new ideas and who isn't. the approach should be different with each individual. that's why i've been working these concepts into my everyday conversations; so that when i see that little window of opportunity, i can creep on in unobtrusively.

[C-JEAN]

hi, all good persons.

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and one thing i must say is: i "was" christian, and i am quite angry
towards the peoples who brain-washed me, when i was too young to fight ! !
i have sooooo much problems getting it all out of my head. all the fears that
that religion pushed in our heads is unbelievable ! !

one thing is sure: **the law of one** and seth, quo. . . and all the like!
answer all my questions, much better than my religion did ! !

blue skies.

[last_apoc]

i have a hard time telling anyone information about anything regarding 2012, ascencion, channeling, spirits and all that stuff. i mean i have tried really easing into it with some close friends (start talking about small things like ghosts and get them interested in asking me stuff) and it's pretty much hit and miss, but miss more often and when you do the relationship suffers. so far the only people i know that are into this stuff with me is one of my brothers (who introduced me to government conspiracies which led to me finding everything else out together with him) and my best friend. other people iv'e tried to ease into it (and i mean so smoothly like butter :p ) just get the blank stares of dissaproval.

[BenOne]

i love sharing info with the under informed. most people are fascinated by new info, but, many are sceptical untill they see it on the "god box" or tv. i like to just talk to people like they know what i am talking about. like, "ya, it's cold, probably the whole ocean cooling thing" or "ya, cloudy, probably all those jets leaving chemtrails earlier"

it's cool if people don't know what your talking about. they say "what are you talking about" which i hear as, "please, tell me more about these unusual things of which you speak". "i'd love to"

in my opinion: learning and teaching are why we are here. we need to learn, to teach. we teach others so they can teach others. word of mouth is our biggest advantage in growth. the media is too controlled by disinformation pirates to be considered true. these same pirates have been responsible for the dumbing of the masses for eons. destroying information that would have excelled our growth long ago.

it is our duty to share, serve others, be an open book. sometimes we have to be an alarm clock, too. ring ring

[KassandraLoves]

i agree with that to most degrees benone.

i usually find "the paranormal" or "world mysteries" as my way into peoples heads. i find something that would spark curiousity in any one, then i go from there...

people tell me all the time, "do you just research this kinda stuff on your own? all the time?" or "where do you find this stuff?" or "thats really cool!"

and just maybe, if i peak their interest about something mysterious thats somewhat "main stream" or even not, really, it'll start the process.

after all, thats how i got here. studying the paranormal. :d

[christincook]

hi, i have a family that is very distant from this type of thinking, they go to a evangelical church and have solid values of what the bible says.. etc.

i was wondering what the best way is to introduce someone into davids ideas & teachings. what videos should i show them first? in what order? what types of things should i give them to read.




hi wade,

i just watched david's 2012 enigma again yesterday with my husband because he hasn't seen it before. david relates a lot of his material to various bible verses. perhaps this would be a good video to show to your family? it's about an hour and a half long, so i'd watch it yourself first, and make note of the parts where he is relating info to the bible (what minute they occur at, etc); since it may be a little lengthy and overwhelming for someone new to all of this.

my husband did enjoy it, but said that some of it was hard to swallow because there's just so much different information in there, and its kind of all over the place.

that's not my opinion, but my husband is a newbie at this stuff. so from one newbie to other potential newbies, it might be best to pick and choose the parts of that video that you want to show.

i know i've already posted a few times in here, but i thought of you the other day when i was watching 2012 enigma :)

[Wade Krueger]

hi wade,

i just watched david's 2012 enigma again yesterday with my husband because he hasn't seen it before. david relates a lot of his material to various bible verses. perhaps this would be a good video to show to your family? it's about an hour and a half long, so i'd watch it yourself first, and make note of the parts where he is relating info to the bible (what minute they occur at, etc); since it may be a little lengthy and overwhelming for someone new to all of this.

my husband did enjoy it, but said that some of it was hard to swallow because there's just so much different information in there, and its kind of all over the place.

that's not my opinion, but my husband is a newbie at this stuff. so from one newbie to other potential newbies, it might be best to pick and choose the parts of that video that you want to show.

i know i've already posted a few times in here, but i thought of you the other day when i was watching 2012 enigma :)

hey, thanks... you make a good point, and it leads me to an idea. since all this talk about government corruption and et's etc... are in most of davids videos, its very hard for me to show anyone. i feel like they will look at me like im crazy. i know i would if i was a first timer.

taking notes of the time of the video and skipping to those key parts may be a good way to "break the ice"... i may give this a try and see ow it works out.

with great relish, wade

[mmariebored]

other people iv'e tried to ease into it (and i mean so smoothly like butter) just get the blank stares of dissaproval.
that's because some people's "higher selves" will hold back your message from becoming clear to them because their developmental growth is not ready yet.

just remember that every bit and piece of information you put out there can be pulled into view by someone's "higher self" at a later stage in their development, having added it to the curriculum.

[Enivid]

1) learn to see things from their point of view, even if its very negative.

2) learn to see the positive aspects of all things.

3) try to focus on answering questions the persons are asking consciously or subconsciuosly. answer them honestly from your heart to their heart so they really understand it. their subconsciousness will if not pick it up.

why this way? this is all because of free will.

don't remember that friends, family, and co-workers that you are close with, all deep within' are you. don't you want them to live in total peace? :)

but, remember the three steps above. all live their lifes very rational - from their perspective - and many times the different perspective is based on fears and lies to others and oneself.

by the laws given by the universe there won't be any people disturbing you in real-life (the life we share in the eternal moment) if you just could live by the 3-steps above.

thought this was a good thing to share :)

onelove!

- enivid

[Eric The Viking]

am i the only one who is struggling with the conflict of, service to others being limited by free will?

as i become more enlightened, i'm bursting at the seams to share my experiences with others, but free will has me stymied.

i suppose this is one of the leasons of the 3rd density.

[Eric The Viking]

people have to become conciously aware by their own volition, this is the way it has to be (the socratic method).

it helps to look back to your own personal journey on how you came to your current consiousness level.

i will share with you a thought that has had a strong impact upon my consiousness growth.

"when the student is ready the teacher will appear"