LoO and western magic, practical applications

[peelstreetguy]

hi all,
in the loo material, they describe doing the lesser bannishing ritual of the pentagram (lbrp) before attempting to contact ra. ra doesn't seem to talk much about western magic, but it is obviously usefull because ra encourages them to continue doing the lbrp before trying to make contact each session.
i'm hoping to start a discussion here about the practical applications of the loo in tandem with some western magical practices.
ra states the major importance of regular meditation. i'm thinking this can be combined with the rituals of the qabalistic cross, lbrp and the middle pillar exercise. in [please pm for book author and title], he describes these three rituals as the only ones needed to spiritually evolve, along with self introspection (know thy self) and deflation of the ego.
it seems to me that these rituals could work quite well with the practices descibed in the ra material.
i'm curious to know the correlations between the middle pillar exercise and the kundalini meditation. how do the sephiras and the chakras correlate? how does the qabbalistic tree of life correlate with ra's teachings, or does it?
i hope some of you know what i'm talking about and respond so we can get a good discusion going on about the compatibility or lack thereof between the loo and western high magic.

i wish you all health, happiness and spiritual growth, amen.


stacy

[Turtle]

on this subject, i would have to say that i definitely believe the so called "magic" we have at our disposal has nothing to do with rituals or incantations directly..i see them as tools to help focus your own power of intention/emotion/belief. if a certain dance, ritual, charm, etc., helps you to channel your intention/emotion/belief, then go on and use it! just remember you are connected to all that exists, and your awareness of that connection should be enough to get you started on your creative work, whichever way you feel is best for you. much love, and godspeed.

[twva]

ra states the major importance of regular meditation. i'm thinking this can be combined with the rituals of the qabalistic cross, lbrp and the middle pillar exercise. in [please pm for book author and title], he describes these three rituals as the only ones needed to spiritually evolve, along with self introspection (know thy self) and deflation of the ego.

last edited by markm; yesterday at 08:48 pm. reason: book reference - off topic

have you read sessions 71-76? don asks about the purpose of white magic, the mechanics of its practice, the magical personality, the banishing ritual, the exercise of the middle pillar, etc.

btw, if the reference was to w.e. butler, i'd argue that it's not off topic because don had read butler's work and used it as the basis for his questions about white magic.

[yossarian]

on this subject, i would have to say that i definitely believe the so called "magic" we have at our disposal has nothing to do with rituals or incantations directly..i see them as tools to help focus your own power of intention/emotion/belief. if a certain dance, ritual, charm, etc., helps you to channel your intention/emotion/belief, then go on and use it! just remember you are connected to all that exists, and your awareness of that connection should be enough to get you started on your creative work, whichever way you feel is best for you. much love, and godspeed.

it goes deeper than that too though, touching racial memory, subconscious past life memory, the archetypes and the "roots of mind" that have their original in the galactic logos' design

when you use the rituals from established traditions you easily tune in to all those who have practiced them, you are tapping into a power source. if you do your own invented ritual, then it doesn't have all this background that gets subconsciously tapped into.

the same thing applies to each religion. by tuning into jesus you tune into the christ tradition and all the christian saints who have performed the christian rituals, and so on for every religion

[peelstreetguy]

thanks twva. i'll check it out. i didn't know the middle pillar was mentioned in the loo material.

[KassandraLoves]

on this subject, i would have to say that i definitely believe the so called "magic" we have at our disposal has nothing to do with rituals or incantations directly..i see them as tools to help focus your own power of intention/emotion/belief. if a certain dance, ritual, charm, etc., helps you to channel your intention/emotion/belief, then go on and use it! just remember you are connected to all that exists, and your awareness of that connection should be enough to get you started on your creative work, whichever way you feel is best for you. much love, and godspeed.

i agree with this, turtle. although, i wouldnt say nothing to do with rituals whatsoever....here:

ra explains to the group during the channelings that carla must have that bible with her. and they ask about the signifigance of that.

i believe his retort was stating that it was of signifigance to her and it helped her. she had an attatchment to it so it worked as an aid in the channeling.

i believe this to be true, that if you find comforts and signifigance and power in a certain object or idea, then it will work for you. you have to believe that it will do the trick and it will. :) what works for you (rituals, objects, dances, etc) might work for someone else and it might not. it depends on what they "click" with and what they believe in.

added: yes, i do feel your tapping into some kind of power sources, but i have a leniency toward being a creator and if you create power for something it will exist exponentially....

love and light,
kassandraloves

[twva]

thanks twva. i'll check it out. i didn't know the middle pillar was mentioned in the loo material.

you're welcome. it's more of a starting point for discussion than a full discussion in and of itself, especially since the l/l group ended up deciding to use the tarot rather than the tree of life in their exploration of the archetypical mind. ra called the path of western magic "a formidable system of service and discipline" and it does indeed seem to be that. this link has law of one questions and answers pertaining to white magic: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?category=white+magic

in response to the idea that "'magic' ... has nothing to do with rituals or incantations directly," i would point out the following discussion between don and ra, from session 74. it agrees with the idea that it is possible to create effective magic on one's own, but it also agrees with yossarian that in using existing rituals you are tapping into an established power source, and it also points out that certain vowel sounds have power "before time and space."
ra: ...with the appropriate emotional will, polarity, and purity, work may be done with or without proper sound vibration complexes. however, there is no need for the blunt instrument when the scalpel is available.

questioner: i assume that the reason that the rituals that have been used previously are of effect is that these words have built a bias in consciousness of those who have worked in these areas so that those who are of a distortion of mind that we seek will respond to imprint in consciousness of this series of words. is this correct?

ra: i am ra. this is, to a great extent, correct. the exception is the sounding of some of what you call your hebrew and some of what you call you sanskrit vowels. these sound vibration complexes have power before time and space and represent configurations of light which built all that there is.

[Turtle]

i simply believe that if something doesn't resonate or groove with you, then it's not going to work very well at all. my argument is that ritual or no ritual, item or no item, it all depends on your bias, what will be the most effective route to open the doors of real magic in your life.

if the dearest thing to carla's life was a quilt her grandma made for her, and ra instructed for that item to be placed a certain way by her head so that she could channel easier, then would it mean the love her grandma had when she made that quilt, made the quilt more powerful than the bible? it all comes down to carla...what worked for her, helped her focus her energies and become a stronger magical worker.

this reply actually made me think of what made me start reading the law of one material in the first place...it was the quote about how "if any of this does not resonate with you, or feel true to your soul, then discard it, it means we have failed to communicate" or something like that. and trust me, there's a lot i've taken in from the ra material, and a lot i've discarded....the more i discarded actually, the easier my daily seeking has become. much love, and godspeed!

[peelstreetguy]

i simply believe that if something doesn't resonate or groove with you, then it's not going to work very well at all. my argument is that ritual or no ritual, item or no item, it all depends on your bias, what will be the most effective route to open the doors of real magic in your life.

if the dearest thing to carla's life was a quilt her grandma made for her, and ra instructed for that item to be placed a certain way by her head so that she could channel easier, then would it mean the love her grandma had when she made that quilt, made the quilt more powerful than the bible? it all comes down to carla...what worked for her, helped her focus her energies and become a stronger magical worker.

this reply actually made me think of what made me start reading the law of one material in the first place...it was the quote about how "if any of this does not resonate with you, or feel true to your soul, then discard it, it means we have failed to communicate" or something like that. and trust me, there's a lot i've taken in from the ra material, and a lot i've discarded....the more i discarded actually, the easier my daily seeking has become. much love, and godspeed!

hi turtle. i agree with everything you just said. for me this is a topic of interest concerning my seeking. wondering if this topic resonates with anyone else on this forum and what insights they might have to share.
i wish you all health, happiness and spiritual growth, amen.

[charles obscure]

i simply believe that if something doesn't resonate or groove with you, then it's not going to work very well at all. my argument is that ritual or no ritual, item or no item, it all depends on your bias, what will be the most effective route to open the doors of real magic in your life.

if the dearest thing to carla's life was a quilt her grandma made for her, and ra instructed for that item to be placed a certain way by her head so that she could channel easier, then would it mean the love her grandma had when she made that quilt, made the quilt more powerful than the bible? it all comes down to carla...what worked for her, helped her focus her energies and become a stronger magical worker.

this reply actually made me think of what made me start reading the law of one material in the first place...it was the quote about how "if any of this does not resonate with you, or feel true to your soul, then discard it, it means we have failed to communicate" or something like that. and trust me, there's a lot i've taken in from the ra material, and a lot i've discarded....the more i discarded actually, the easier my daily seeking has become. much love, and godspeed!


i agree with what you are saying to an extent, but at certain points i think people also need to step out of their zone of comfort to grow as well. its a balance. if one was to simply discard anything that they felt didnt resonate with them, one may also be preventing aspects of one's own growth. people can learn to associate certain things with fear, automatically making something feel like it doesnt 'resonate' even if it is true. it can be easy to decieve oneself in this way. the influences on our thought processes are affected by many many things, often very subtle and sometimes unconscious drives. i think it is good to thoroughly ponder all ideas with an open mind, before discarding ideas, especially stuff thats in the ra material.

[Turtle]

i completely agree with you charles. i guess i didn't mention it, but keeping an open mind is extremely important, yes. as we come across new things, even if they don't sit well with us, we owe it to ourselves to at least take it in for a bit and mull it over. sometimes things need revisiting, in order for a clear decision can be made.

i should have said in previous posts, that i don't believe my viewpoint applies to how everyone should look at this subject...i'm so firm on my opinion of it because i've already let it all sink in for a while. to me, i feel somehow, "fake" or "lame", even thinking about trying some of the various forms of magic. i had to make my own prayers/rituals/charms, which i have already done, in order for anything to sit well with me.

if you don't resonate with something, then maybe it really isn't right for you...if you resonate with it later in life, then you're ready for it. i'm either not ready for the established forms of magic, or disconnected from them on a deeper level. at least, that's how it all seems to me right now, heh.