Do you honestly believe that something big will happen in 2012?

[Moralman]

dear friends
kind regards
i am typing this thread to bring up my views on the 2012 event.
i have listened to david wilcock's radio blogs/shows and have read some of his material.
now i must be honest, the things that wilcock says about the 2012 ascension are wonderful, but there is something to consider.
if you recall, people predicted that the world would end (or change) in 1984 and 2000 respectively, but nothing happened.
could 2012 just be another date that is hyped to death only to go by with no ascension?
what are your thoughts and how sure are you of the 2012 ascension?
if you could get back to me a.s.a.p i'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
john

[C-JEAN]

hi, moralman.

do you know about edgar cayce ?
if so, do you trust his sayings or readings ?

if so, ! ! then, read "the law of one" ! !

if not, stop reading. . . b-)


it's a little tough to read, but persevere. it's worth it !
that's another reliable source of infos about 2012, when you'll find it.
it was a similar source of infos, as edgar cayce had :
a loving/compassionate entity from a superior density.

blue skies.

[Nancy]

the ascension happening in 2012 may occur or may not. or it may come about outside my awareness. the idea of ascension is intriguing so i keep reading and listening.

awareness that it might happen hasn't changed my day to day life. it's just added a bit of depth and mystery.:)

nancy in oregon

[otherworldly]

i think a lot of people think something is going to happen automatically. this is not the case. something will happen only because of the artists, technicians and scientists, working to make it happen!

i wish i could explain more, but i am still so afraid of typing a long post only to have it moderated, i will leave it at this.

take care friend

[Djonne]

i do believe there will be something very important in 2012, but none of us can be 100% sure. but many things seems to prove something will happen at that time.

and even if 2012 is nothing but another day,
david's messages and words, even if not true, are so good to hear, and made me become a better person.

anyway, i do believe in 2012. it is up to you to believe or not. i just hope that in *death* we can still play guitar, as well as sign without screwing up notes:p

[ayadew]

most of law of one felt intuitively right to me, it was a homecoming it sorts, all i ever hoped for and things i didn't think i hoped for. it has brought me much personal revelation and growth.

now, i am a very sceptical person (that's using your free will =) ) yet i cannot find any contradictions to all this information how much i ever look.
the more i research the more certain i get: yes, it will happen.

indeed the world has "ended" 2000, 1984, etc, but that's the creation of a small number of people's imagination.
for 2012 we have proof everywhere and it's ancient and independent of eachother <- credibility if you ask me.

[meganarline]

yes i honestly believe something will happen in 2012. ( or could be a slightly different date) and it's not just because david says something is going to happen it's because i have read it from countless other sources as well. i also have kind of a personal knowing that something glorious will happen.

and the fact that it potentially will happen has completely changed my day to day life. it has inspired me to put a lot more effort into my spiritual growth. i now look at events and circumstances more as an opportunity for growth than an obstacle. i try to be grateful for everything.

i'm not sure if i am feeling really positive and happy (most of the time) because i think it's going to happen or if i think it's going to happen because i feel really positive and happy!:)

just my thoughts.

love,

megan

[joebananas101]

i do believe a very dramatic event will occur on decemeber 21, 2012. now, from what i have read, this won't be a calm ride up to dec. 21. there going to be major events occuring up to dec. 21. so don't think you will just sit home and wait for dec. 21. world will be in (possible) termoil. but, on the day of dec. 21, all comes to halt. there are infinite amount of timelines that are possible in linear time (3rd density) but all converge on dec. 21, 2012. these were experiments carried out in the american secret bases. not to mention, all ancient cultures (maya, hoppi, i ching) all state the date of december 21, 2012, not 1984 or 2000. no matter what, there will always be room for mystery. so it's not a good idea to be fixed on a certain view. it is fun to wonder, which everyone should do, but with a bit of humor. ;)

love and light to all.

[angiem]

i have days where i think no! not possible, but then i see something (ie illuminati mentioned in news articles, the government stuff ups and the like) then go, hey we are on our way. but....to be really honest with myself... to look deep down, i would say yes, as i have dreamt about this!:eek:
to me i feel an urgency and have been feeling this for a time now, i feel like things are moving so fast, that i cant keep track of what is and what isnt. time is speeding up!

[Babyblue]

in all honesty, i knew something big was going to happen to this planet ever since i was 6 years old, i can remember thinking to myself "this is the last life on planet earth, the world will end in my lifetime", i then had dreams and downloadings begin in 1999, i had never heard of 2012 when this began (preinternet days for me), and did not even believe in a god, well, that all changed in 1999 .... if i can change from a die hard aetheist anyone can change as far as i'm concerned. i'm changing, you are changing, so is the planet and so is the universe we live in. x x x

[efields]

dear friends
kind regards
i am typing this thread to bring up my views on the 2012 event.
i have listened to david wilcock's radio blogs/shows and have read some of his material.
now i must be honest, the things that wilcock says about the 2012 ascension are wonderful, but there is something to consider.
if you recall, people predicted that the world would end (or change) in 1984 and 2000 respectively, but nothing happened.
could 2012 just be another date that is hyped to death only to go by with no ascension?
what are your thoughts and how sure are you of the 2012 ascension?
if you could get back to me a.s.a.p i'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
john
well i have to say i still have my doubts. though i do see it would be a just reaction from a living organism to the infestation wreaking havoc on it's surface. however i doubt that i would have to 'good fortune' to be witness to such an event. i cling to my denial that all such 'just' corrections will take place some time in the far future. it couldn't happen on my watch.. could it?now that would be outstanding. to see the culmination of out foolishness answered in my lifetime? i should be so lucky...

[KassandraLoves]

i dont believe somethings happening, i know.

its been my life's mission since youth and ive always known that i was here for something big like this...funny that we can somehow sneak little messages in with us when we get here.

its already started. and yes somethings going to happen.

we may not know what right away, humans are quirky that way, but it sure will, and it will either change things on its own, or other things will change because of it.

:)

[Enivid]

i too believe in this! or know it! it will be amazing and mysterious in a very positive way! :d

but there's work to be done, influencing the world! davids work is helping alot! keep spreading it!

lots of love!

- enivid

[speciallyminted]

hi moralman,

i just wanted to share with you my personal experience. earlier this year (march) i had the opportunity to visit belize, particularly the mayan temple of caracol. now before i get into more details let me say that i have only recently found david wilcock and his work, by recent i mean november 1st 2008.

i was lead with a group from my lodge to caracol... the energy i felt there was amazing... i was asking others if they felt the same as i but no one did. it was like rhythmic pulses of pure energy not positive or negative just pure energy.
our guide is a local with mayan ancestry but not "pure" as they say there. i asked him what he thought of 2012. his words where to the lines of " 2012 was the idea of an ancient civilization that destroyed itself, they could not keep their peoples prosperous how could they predict something like the idea of 2012, it's old thinking, people need to look at reality and real life, not ancient predictions. do good things in life, that is all we can do for a better world."

when i was leaving the mountain region heading for the beach region i was picked up by a driver who happen to be related to my guide through marriage. we got to talking and he stated that his family is "pure" mayan blood (and you know this to be truth coz the mayans are in reality very small people, he was about 4'11). he also comes from a line of shamans. so on this 2 hour ride i had a chance to ask a lot of questions, 2012 being one of them. this is along the lines of what he said "2012 is a time of change, humanity needs to protect and conserve the planet, we need to use the technology we have to assist mother nature not go against her. some people are to attached to their material things that they have forgotten their true roots is with nature."
he extended an invitation should i ever return, he will take me up to the hidden mountain villages of the mayans to spend some time with them. i really do hope to go back one day.
what i am trying to say is what ever you believe will happen just live in the moment and create positive thoughts and actions. i am sure that you are not the only person finding the idea of ascension and 3d, 4d, or 5d hard to swallow. but we can all agree that david's foundational belief is about love and harmony for all, not just the "do good-ers".
my own personal belief is that 2012 is the marriage of humanities harmony with the earth with love as the brides maid and technology as the best man. as far as ascension goes, well i don't think that there will be a mass "dropping dead" so to speak, of bodies so that our souls can continue. i think that we will still be "alive" after 2012 but with more heightened awareness and that we will leave our bodies naturally when we are ready.
i've passed through too many spiritual markers to throw out the map. :d

take the path that rings true within you, don't let the back-seat drivers tell you other wise. we each have a path but we never really travel alone.

love&light
charlyne

[Jetamus]

not to mention, all ancient cultures (maya, hoppi, i ching) all state the date of december 21, 2012, not 1984 or 2000.

this pretty much sums it up for me.

[Mr. Adam G.]

i truly "feel" that something is coming. these next few years are going to be one heck of a ride, and many of us who research the truth can see it all beginning to unfold. i too, read the law of one and its messages went straight to my heart. so many mysteries are revealed and explained that it just seems right for it all to happen. it hits home for me. my advice woud be for you to research further and more of your questions will be replaced with your own intuitive answers, not ours.

good luck bro & love to all,

-adam

[Whitewolf]

i too have that "knowing" that something enormous is going to occur very soon. i feel it's the source behind the reason i chose to incarnate during this lifetime, which otherwise i never would have.
i believe the earth is going to coalesce (or ascend) into higher fields of conscious awareness and that the cosmic alignments that take place in or near 2012 will be the catalyst or "trigger point" where divine light begins to hemerge into earth's collective consciousness, enabling earth's inhabitants to live "multi-dimensionally", which obviously would usher in the new age of light.

i don't know how the physical, as we perceive it now, will transform, if at all, or whether or not the "sleepers" and "darkworkers" will be left behind. but one thing is for certain, the last couple decades have been a spiraling upward towards this culmination point we're rapidly approaching. i feel we're nearing the apex of the "pyramid" before spiritual transformation is undeniable. since around 93 and 94 things began to noticably "speed up" and now we're moving almost at lightning speed.
reading everyone's comments here as well as the vast amount of concuring literature, not to mention the ancient prophecies throughout the globe that all signal this current time cycle as being the time, is even more confirmation of this reality. this is why i pay no mind to those who point out that there were "doomsayers" all throughout history.

it's this precise timeframe that bears all the hallmarks of being at the very least...unique in comparison to those from the past. many of us share the same intuitive gnosis (inner knowing) that spiritual transcendance is the next inevitiable step in human evolution and that the time is not far off. the forces of darkness want to stop it at any cost (in order to avoid merging dualisms and to retain their power over the material realm) but i believe they have no way to succeed in that regard. evolution is evolution and the creator's will cannot be thwarted.
in words used in the film the dark crystal, "the great conjunction is at hand". i highly recommend people of all ages to watch it.

[jimpossible]

i'm concerned about the growing hype around 2012. i first heard about the mayan calendar 15+ years ago. i just felt something was very important there and tried to get all the info i could, which wasn't much. but what info there was to be had seemed sincere.

now 2012 is all over the internet and is making huge inroads on tv and in the pop culture generally. i don't think there's any question that the media and pop culture is very controlled in america. it seems 2012 has received the imprimatur of the controllers.

i have also been unable to find any critical challenge to calleman's acceleration theory. it's not that i disagree with the theory, it's just that i've never found any challenge to it.

the controllers have used unchallenged hype in the past to move societies and cultures where they want them to go. whenever i see that pattern, i get suspicious.

[Berry Chastain]

in david's 2012 enigma video, toward the end i believe, he speaks about how the phi ratio in relationship to time is moving ever more quickly toward a zero point energy which not suprisingly occurs around the 12/21/12 date. he spoke of key event occuring at each point where the phi ratio division happens on the time line, and that these points are going to become increasingly more frequent until they are happening multiple times a day, hour, minute etc until it hits zero point.

something happening at 12/21/12? oh yeah, something big is going to happen, we just are not sure what that will be, other than what ra indicates in the law of one, which is that 3rd density will become 4th density and those who have chosen to embrace service to others at 51% or more will move into that 4th density world. those who do not, will continue in another great cycle in 3rd density in another 3rd density world, as earth will be 4th density and will no longer support 3rd density entities.

we have an exciting 4 years ahead of us and it may not all be pleasant. ra says that we will experience "discomfort" and "inconvenience". i think they said this with their tongue in their cheek. they didn't always go into detail in order not to impinge upon the first distortion of the law of one which is free will.

just my two cents on the discussion,

love and light to all
berry

[Berry Chastain]

i just realized that i made a statement that was centered in duality rather than unity. i said " those who have chosen to embrace service to others at 51% or more will move into that 4th density world." this is an inaccurate and biased comment! what i should have said is that those who have chosen to embrace either service to others, or service to self at 51% or more will move into that 4th density world. the harvest is not limited to positive service to others entities but includes all/any who have evolved to that level of polarity.

it is so very easy to fall back into the old thought patterns of separation and duality. but this is the challenge that we who would evolve face. the one infinite creator is inclusive of both the positive and negative, dark and light aspects of it's experience of itself. i have other thoughts regarding this line of thought but it belongs in the law of one discussion so i will get around to make those comments there.

[tofupup]

this is such an interesting subject to see everyone's opinion on. i used to be so afraid of the "end of days"... terrified even. i absolutely do not want the world to end, i love life so much! however, after discovering this new age way of living and forming my own opinions, i've never felt so connected to myself. i am not afraid whatsoever, i know i will be alright and so will my loved ones. if something happens, it happens. if it doesn't, i just hope that the earthlings who do not care about the world we live in start giving a **** about it. either that or we will seal our own fate here.

[Berry Chastain]

i just realized that i made a statement that was centered in duality rather than unity. i said " those who have chosen to embrace service to others at 51% or more will move into that 4th density world." this is an inaccurate and biased comment! what i should have said is that those who have chosen to embrace either service to others, or service to self at 51% or more will move into that 4th density world. the harvest is not limited to positive service to others entities but includes all/any who have evolved to that level of polarity.

it is so very easy to fall back into the old thought patterns of separation and duality. but this is the challenge that we who would evolve face. the one infinite creator is inclusive of both the positive and negative, dark and light aspects of it's experience of itself. i have other thoughts regarding this line of thought but it belongs in the law of one discussion so i will get around to make those comments there.

i must correct myself again on something above. i indicated that it was 51% for harvestability for both sts and sto. sevice to self entities of negative polarity must reach 95% sts in order to move into 4th density. this is why ra says it is so difficult for sts entities to evolve through the densities toward oneness with the creator.

[transiten]

hello berry

that statement sounds strange to me...like the more egoistic a person is, the bigger the chance to be harvested??? since it's "difficult" to reach 95% sts... i don't get this...too tired in the middle of the night here;)

transiten

[Berry Chastain]

hello berry

that statement sounds strange to me...like the more egoistic a person is, the bigger the chance to be harvested??? since it's "difficult" to reach 95% sts... i don't get this...too tired in the middle of the night here;)

transiten

dear lilliane,

the negative service to self entity must be at least 95% dedicated to service to self in order to be harvested. that means that almost their every thought must be negative. for example someone like adolf hitler who was mentioned by ra as one of those negative sts individual who would most likely be harvested into 4th density negative. this is indeed a rare type of person, thankfully. most negative sts people are not even close to 95% negative, so this is why ra says that it is more difficult for them to become harvestable. whereas for a person who is positive service to others in orientation and choice, it is relatively easy to become at least 51% loving, caring, sharing, supportive, all those things which we in this forum consider our goal and objective. i hope this clarifies it for you.

love and light,
berry

[charles obscure]

dear lilliane,

the negative service to self entity must be at least 95% dedicated to service to self in order to be harvested. that means that almost their every thought must be negative. for example someone like adolf hitler who was mentioned by ra as one of those negative sts individual who would most likely be harvested into 4th density negative. this is indeed a rare type of person, thankfully. most negative sts people are not even close to 95% negative, so this is why ra says that it is more difficult for them to become harvestable. whereas for a person who is positive service to others in orientation and choice, it is relatively easy to become at least 51% loving, caring, sharing, supportive, all those things which we in this forum consider our goal and objective. i hope this clarifies it for you.

love and light,
berry

just for the record ra did not say that adolf hitler was close to 95% service to self, or even likely to be negatively harvestable. ra said that this entity was very 'confused' and in a state of healing. i think this is the case most often with people that are labelled as purely negative by society, they are usually just confused and being used. if you look at the guys mentioned as actually negatively harvested such as ghengis kahn and rasputin, they dont have the types of reputations as someone like hitler. ghengis kahn is a national icon in mongolia, and rasputin's reputation is also a little blurry as he was known for his sex orgies, but also for healing people with the yellow ray. adepts on the negative path are generally not (at least on the surface) the crazy, psychotic types, but manipulative and intelligent.

[transiten]

thanks berry...

...but that's exactly why i think it's strange. i thought it was a positive thing being harvested, and of course it is, but how come a 95% egocentered person is harvestable and not the 75?

i slightly remember someone mentioning that the 95% sts are harvested to anoher planet than the 51% sto, or are they going to be of some lesson to the 51% or more sto:s after the harvest:confused:

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[Berry Chastain]

why 95 instead of 75% i don't know. it may be somewhere in the loo but i don't recall that discussion being addressed. regarding harvesting to other planets, what i understand is that sts entities will find themselves in a negative 4th density sts oriented planet. sto entities likewise will inhabit a positve 4th density planet, i am assuming from what i have read that that planet will be the evolved 4th density planet earth. earth will no longer support 3rd density beings so they will find themselves in another 3rd density world to continue their lessons and evolution.

as far as stos being around to continue assisting in learning of lessons, i think that we will hav graduated to another class were different lessons are being learned, that being compassion. and remember, the veil of forgetfulness will not be an issue in 4th density so we will then be aware of much more than we are now. i believe that st. paul had a flash of prophetic vision when he said "now we see through a smoky mirror but then we shall see clearly....i now know in part but then i will know fully".

love and light,
berry

[lala]

i believe that something big is happening right now!;)

love love love

lala

[micjer]

i know things are changing allready. look at the weather. snow in california, heat waves, tsunami s. last summer in canada it was wet everywhere. usually only certain areas would be wet, others dry.

i don't believe that dec 21 2012 will necessarily be the exact day, but any time from july 2011 to mar 2013, it will take place. remember this is a 25000 year cycle, and it is a little different than a lunar eclipse.

there are so many sources that all point to this point in time as being significant. it's not one single individual that is trying to start a cult or something. this is much larger than that. just look at the amount of people watching david's 2012 enigma video. too many people are coming to the same conclusion. didn't see this in 1984 or 2000.

the toughest thing is living in 2 worlds so to speak. trying to run a business with everyday decisions to be made and to think in terms of what lies ahead and trying to prepare for it as well. the everyday tasks have to be done yet they seem so insignificant compared to the big picture.

[Natalia]

i believe something/s will happen in 2012, but i also believe that of other years (different things). from when i was a child i had several re occuring dreams of big changes to come (and i do also wonder if some of it is linked to the past...) to do with energy changes (radiation on earth, changes in the air/atmosphere), major flooding and tsunamis, astronomical events, appearance of another moon or another sun. i have dreamened of other things too...i have seen and felt for a long time that there were very big changes to come and that we knew this before we were born into our present incarnation.

[BenOne]

i have, as many of you, also been feeling changes around me. people across the board are becoming aware of the unseen. just speak telepathically to someone in a store one day and see how they react. the veil is thinning.

i have to admit i am not very well educated in the ra channeled messages or other literature that is quoted from here. when i hear about light bodies that is what i envision happens at death. i see that you just kind of step out, "give up the ghost", and can't get back in.

what is the difference between death and the 2012 transition?

in the next 4 years things will have to change exponentially for us to grow into a higher reality. if our souls are focused the same as they are today we would lose our bodies, but, be only as enlightened as we were when we had them.

if you die, cherishing life, you will have endless time to reflect upon your life and the things you would change. if you die cherishing the spirit, you will have endless time to do spiritual things. i think our perspective, the little voice you hear when you think, is always with our soul, body or no.

in other words, if i am not enlightened by the 2012 rapture, what will make me enlightened after?

[ingerul9]

the reason for 2012 is for you to have an opportunity. this chance is for you to do service to others. service to others is one of the commonly mistaken terms and david explained it pretty good in "what is ascension and if so am i gonna make it?". you can access it by going to the main page of divinecosmos.com and then->start here-> what is ascension.

from what i've understand from the law of one material the ones that will succeed for service to others will go to the 4th density of the planet earth, the ones on the service to self will go to another 4th density planet and the rest will go repeating the 3d density experience on another planet suitable for this kind of learning. so everybody wins.

[Vermillion]

i love when people say nothing happened in the year 2000. time is really irrelevant. one of the biggest events in our history happened in that time period. the 9/11 attacks, thus changing the world and the "time" for future events. yes something will happen, but it is in our eyes, and will to make it happen.

[mmariebored]

i don't believe a huge difference will take place in 2012, i believe it's a due date for an expectancy.

as far as dying before our souls become fully enlightened, it makes no sense for this to be the case or "meaning of life" here on earth. the reason is that when we die, we all become enlightened because we no longer have the physical body. no, it's the physical body itself, meaning all of mankind here on earth, who needs to become developed and in-tune with each other and the universe.

mankind as a whole is who needs to be enlightened, so to speak, and learn to work together in oneness, caring for each separate entity and viewing them as an equal value. we're a long way from this due to the division of "kingdoms" or religious beliefs here on earth.

the world-wide connection via internet, television, radio and other mediums was a timely and purposeful marker and is in alignment with the 2012 expectancy but i believe humankind, as a whole, is not up to par. i liken this expectancy to a child's project due in school, when the teacher sets a date, a half way point, to check on the student's overall progress.

there are things being put in place to speed up the progress and i think this is a bad thing because it's another deception and we've had enough deception here on earth to last an eternity. people are starving for truth and many have come to fill this need only to be silenced by the ones holding us back, for control purposes. they label the truth-sayers as "lawless ones", because the message breaks up their dominant reign over the people's minds and threatens their hierarchy system they've enjoyed here on earth, for so long. they don't want to give it up.

when a huge event is "predicted" and anticipated by the masses for a very long time, something is always in the lurking to fulfill that expectation. we have to break free of all of what we consider correct information, our beliefs, in order to get an accurate perspective and see the hidden motives, whether they're good or bad. that's how i view 2012.

[Sanat]

i honestly believe things are happening right now. i believe things have been "happening" for a long time already. as wilcock says in his book:


1.1 the shift of the ages

virtually all world religions, spiritual faiths, secret societies and indigenous shamanic teachings insist that humanity is about to make a spontaneous, unprecedented stride in its material and spiritual development – a literal transformation of matter, energy and consciousness on all levels.
http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=79&itemid=36

jesus talked about this time, and so did buddha. the "gardeners" have been working towards the coming harvest for thousands of years already. the process is gradual, then suddenly... like all spiritual growth is. picture a exponential curve right before it shoots up into eternity. this is the point we are at now. "linear time" is speeding up to a point where it will simply collapse into the eternal presence/now-here/continuum, or "zero-point". the whole holographic uni-verse will refresh itself, and be "created" anew after the "zero-point". some fill go to 4th density positve, and many will go to another 3rd density plane like this. and there (as here) each life will be an opportunity to graduate for 4th density which means that one will not necessarily have to go through a whole new cycle.

when jesus said: i am the alfa and the omega, what did he mean? when he said: before abraham was, i am, what did he mean? he was talking about the eternal identity beyond "linear time". he was talking about the "zero-point" from which everything arises and returns to in eternity. everyone is seeking towards that already, even though many does not consciously seek; all want happiness and freedom. many problems on the surface, one solution in the depth of things...

in love and gratitude for this opportunity to correct past mistakes and to grow in spirit,

sanat

[mmariebored]

jesus talked about this time, and so did buddha. the "gardeners" have been working towards the coming harvest for thousands of years already. the process is gradual, then suddenly... like all spiritual growth is. picture a exponential curve right before it shoots up into eternity. this is the point we are at now. "linear time" is speeding up to a point where it will simply collapse into the eternal presence/now-here/continuum, or "zero-point". the whole holographic uni-verse will refresh itself, and be "created" anew after the "zero-point".
i agree that some of the stories supposably told by jesus relatively parallel some theories in other religious groups and also some theories running today, but only the ones he hid in parables. you have to remember that the stories were written long after he "ascended" and factor in the surrounding influences, like their fear of consequences for going too far against the opinions of the people they were attempting to "save".
more to the point, an example:
matthew 24:17-22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2024:17-22;&version=31;)
17 let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house.
18 let no one in the field go back to get his cloak.
19 how dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!
20 pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the sabbath.
21 for then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

the logic displayed here completely disagrees with david's theory because it's based on the understanding of 2,000 years ago, mingled with some of what jesus may have said.
as with any reproduction of ancient text, it takes discernment to sift the truth from the lies, and even then we can be deceived.


when jesus said: i am the alfa and the omega, what did he mean? when he said: before abraham was, i am, what did he mean? he was talking about the eternal identity beyond "linear time". he was talking about the "zero-point" from which everything arises and returns to in eternity.
the alpha and omega statement was made three times in the bible, all in the book of revelation and i truly believe that book was written by one who "ra" called a "bad entity" and jesus called a "demon" -remember "many will come in my name..."- and keeping in mind the isle of patmos is and always has been heavily populated with hallucinogenic plants.

there can usually be found a little bit of truth in lies, though, which would account for the prediction of the chip as the mark of the beast. that was installed in revelation not only to convince(deceive the elect (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=24&verse=24&version=31&context=verse)) the most scientific minds but also to invoke fear and cause the massive panic it will no doubt cause when the chip becomes as mandatory as an ss card and a birth certificate to "buy and sell" and everything else we need identification for. well, panic for people still brainwashed into believing the bible is the word of god, as opposed to historical documentation of the steps to "enlightenment" from imperfect human beings.

[BridgeBuilder]

i was having a discussion with a conservative christian online and just happened to notice the verse number for the following. i have not seen this interesting verse number coincidence reported before, but maybe some of you are aware of it:

revelation 20:12:


and i saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. another book was opened, which is the book of life. the dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

i will be honest and say i have had some misgivings about this notion that only some people will qualify for the ascension in 2012 and have been thinking about it quite a bit lately. this verse appeared at a very synchronistic time for me, even though i no longer place the bible on a pedestal. even so, it must be added to the mix of ancient predictions, particularly noting the verse number.

i'm new to david's work, and i must admit i am not yet very familiar with the law of one series either. but i am very much aware of changes leading up to 2012 and have had my own personal visionary confirmations of something very special about to occur on this planet, even before i really understood any of this at all and was still very much entrenched in a fear-based belief system.

in contemplating the concept of only some people being ready for the ascension, i realize that if there is indeed any sort of qualification process or 51% litmus test, it seems it would need to take into account all of our lives on this planet, not just the current one. and if you were not ready to ascend, it would be by free choice of your own soul, no worse than the decision to stay in college.

i have a lengthy conservative christian background, something i struggled with for many years as i awakened. since awakening, i never noticed that this oft-quoted verse in revelation can be read in multiple ways. biblical inerrantists interpret it in the harshest of ways, but what if the "book" being opened is the akashic record? and the "judgement" is kind of like taking an entrance exam, one you can take as many times as you wish or even choose to postpone altogether, no more or less than that?

i seem to be running into people lately who are fearful that they will not ascend or their children will not ascend. it reminds me of people who are afraid of hell for themselves or their loved ones, very common in other circles i have traveled. i don't think fear should be in the equation at all. can we finally be at peace with the reality that everyone is exactly where they choose to be? our children do not belong to us. they belong to themselves. and they will choose what paths their souls will take. there are no winners or losers. there is just infinite experience, and 2012 on this planet will be just one milestone on the path of multiversal infinity.

in peace,
bridgebuilder

[christincook]

more and more these days, i believe that the changes will occur gradually. i am increasingly doubtful of the possibility of a pole shift, as it should've happened already. it seems like we, as a collective are performing much better than anticipated, and are therefore preventing the cataclysms. the destructive earth changes occur in direct relation to the inner-state of earth's inhabitants, and would occur in locations that elicit a karmic cleansing.

i think that making the transition to 4th density will not be as dramatic as originally thought. we may all be changed in the blink of an eye, but i don't know that there will be that defining moment where we can look back and say "that's when it happened". 2012 is a benchmark, a time-post if you will... a reference point. i don't think that on dec 21, 2012, the skies will open up and the angels will tote their proverbial trumpets... in truth, it will probably pass as a "normal" day.

this does not mean that the coming changes will be any less significant or profound, but i do feel that we will be led naturally and gradually into these changes. our timelines will gradually merge apart from each other, or together toward those who vibrate at a similar frequency (i.e. those of "like" mind), and once the transition is complete; only then (imo) will we be at the point where certain people will not be physically visible (as they will be on their different timelines/overtones of the 3rd or 4th density, or even in that "rest" period inbetween).

as a collective, we've been doing very well lately, and it just keeps getting better. the lightworkers are doing their jobs, and others are waking up at a rapid rate. god does not want to see us fail, and i don't want to grab onto my couch cushion for flotation ;)

[checkmate]

i found david's 1/4/09 interview on coast to coast most resonated with me on the changes we can expect for 2012. if you haven't listened to it yet i suggest you do.

[BridgeBuilder]

i too am hopeful that the transformational process will be less drastic, and i aim to keep my focus on the positive. i'm concerned about the ever-increasing number of fear-based messages going out to the general public about 2012. i watched the history channel special last night on 2012, and they made even gregg braden sound somewhat alarmist about it (even though i know that is not his general approach). and just the other day i saw a preview for the new 2012 movie blockbuster, coming out from the people who brought us "independence day" and "the day after tomorrow" this summer. the preview shows the ocean pouring over the himalayas.

we are going to start seeing more "doom and gloom" fear-based scenarios in the mainstream, and i view this as a golden opportunity to present alternative views, based on solid research regarding what the ancient prophecies actually say.

one of the first books i ever read on 2012 came into my hands several years ago: [please pm for title and author]. it presents a positive view of 2012 based on the author's in-depth research of incan and mayan prophecies. i really like judith's presentation, as she is a highly intelligent and accomplished professional who intermingles an accounting of her own metaphysical experiences with her interpretation of the prophecies. i'm quite surprised her voice isn't being heard more often these days. her approach is similar to david's and others who choose to blend intellect and spirit, the best of both worlds. if you haven't read this book, i highly recommend it. (hint: the "children of light" are us!)

in peace,
bridgebuilder

[Berry Chastain]

bridgebuilder,
i also watched that history channel program and i agree with you that it was focusing on the cataclysmic view of 2012. i was also surprised that gregg was part of the program, but i had the feeling that he didn't know that his part of the interviews was going to be melded with the whole negative scenario. i didn't find his comments so negative. but then who knows, he also believes in the free will of spirit. as is said, those who have ears to hear, let them hear!

[BridgeBuilder]

berry,

i guess when i saw gregg, i was hoping they would introduce some really positive prophecies regarding 2012, and of course that's not what this program was about. i agree that gregg himself wasn't extremely negative, just speaking about the expected earth changes if i recall. but viewed in the context of the overall program, it tended to just confirm the negative, when i would have loved to have seen the alternative ascension view of 2012 presented.

on a much more positive note, i was happy to see gregg given the opportunity to speak on this program. he showed up several times during the broadcast. that in itself shows how things are shifting, where researchers who choose to combine science and spirit are beginning to be accepted in the mainstream. perhaps it's only a matter of time before we'll see david on one of these programs, giving him much more visibility to a broader audience unfamiliar with his work. heck, i'm just learning about his work myself! ;)

in peace,
bridgebuilder

[Zeva_Rediekiel]

yes. yes. yes.

i think we will have great changes in the time beforehand, culminating in a gradient shift, like stepping from yellow to green. we're already bathed in this energy field, but i believe there will be a pivotal moment. after watching nassim haramein's marvelous videos on youtube (i understood a lot more of david wilcock's scientific material more clearly afterwards), i wonder if it will result from a major sloughing off of excess energy from our sun, as the prophecies state that the next sun will come. i wonder if the higher the vibrations, the hotter the world (whether planet or star)?

let's not forget the users of the chair in montauk spoke of hitting the "bump" calculated at 12/21/12 and the numerous remote viewers who have come up against an anomaly in 2012.

personally, i know that i am here for something big. when i was younger i had a lot of cataclysmic dreams, and thought i was here to survive through an actual cataclysm. then i had a dream where the sky was pregnant and about to give birth anew, and no longer believed i was here to undergo the end of the world. while this world may pass, we are not our bodies. our bodies are part of us, and their energy may be transmuted back into the light from which we came.

it's most useful for us to be open to whatever comes. our thoughts can faithfully reproduce the entire planet in an astral state, and it since many people who die don't realize they've moved into a different state of being, it seems likely that many of us might get caught up in an interim dream state.
personally, i'd like to experience the "full out," but i'd accept whatever happened, even if it was nothing at all.

every experience has the potential to be profound if we let go of our insistence that we already know what it's going to be like. people will--and have been--ascending even before 2012 comes about. it really is an exciting time to be here.

peace to the other-selves :)

[Deerclan]

zeva, these two comments of yours ring particularly true for me:



it's most useful for us to be open to whatever comes.

every experience has the potential to be profound if we let go of our insistence that we already know what it's going to be like. people will--and have been--ascending even before 2012 comes about.

i have trouble getting excited or worked up about 2012 and "all the changes" that are going to come about. i felt them imminent since i was a child in the 1960's. i have thought about them, read about them, and tried to figure them out, and reached a conclusion very much like yours - "be open to whatever comes," and "let go of any insistence that we already know what it's going to be like."

the thing that prompted me to write this post is that i was just reading the channeled material from ra, and i came across this most surprising concept that almost completely expressed my feelings about it, and your post seemed to be an appropriate place to do so. (note: this is an excerpt, with the section i cut represented by the symbol [...].

questioner: can you comment on the coming planetary changes in our physical reality?

ra: i am ra […] the changes are very, very trivial. we do not concern ourselves with the conditions which bring about harvest.

i have been wondering what i have been missing that everyone else seems to be so excited and worked up over. it appears that my attitude is like ra's. it now begins to seem to me as if clinging to any notion of what will occur will disrupt an individual's life. give up control, and go with the flow, seems to be the message i have been getting.

does anyone know if there are later channellings that give more emphasis to those planetary changes [mods say approved by this forum's rules please] ? i could hardly give a rat's hindquarters about it, but if there is updated material suggesting a change of my attitude is in order, i'd appreciate it if someone more learned than i could point me to it. thanks!

deerclan

[hoppppe]

hi everybody. im new here and i would like to say ive been reading for a while now what everybody has to say here and i think its great i found people that believe in 2012. ive been feeling something big is going to happen before i get a chance to grow old. ive been having dreams since i was 7. dreams about spaceships and diffrent civilizations. i am certain smth huge is going to happen .we just have to stay positive and spread only love and hope around us. we are all one

[Moze]

what david and others are saying is true, a great change is coming. i have had many vision and seen it. but i want us people to come together, that is very important to all of this. to love and want to help others. plus wish great things and success for others even if you don't know them. to think and live positive will help you for the coming of 2012. your spiritual self must come to the front. we don't have to much time, i dunno if anyone is in tune with it but if you get a tingle up and down your spin, aka kundalini, tends to happen a lot when i come across higher consciousness talk with other or higher self thinking. just think of yourself and others as a special creation of life. some eyes are open and other are not, thats all. we all have the ability to change.

take everyone
love & peace to all

[KassandraLoves]

the great change is happening every single day, right now! cant you feel it?

2012 isnt happening all at once, its happening as we speak and accelerating every day we wake and even as we sleep.

i know you feel it!

[coneyisland]

i think the run up to 2012 will be rocky, but in 2012 we will skid slowly into our new world. the next 2 years will be really crazy, i think.

[Desertrose]

we just have to stay positive and spread only love and hope around us. we are all one

hi hoppppe,

you are right, we should all spread love. i try to stay positive, but sometimes it's hard to accept those around you who do not make it easy for you to accept them. you wonder what planet they came from and why do they go out of their way to make you feel insignificant. i try hard to rise above this but it really creates a lot of negativity in me when i'm around those ppl. i know i'm hurting myself and those around me when i feel negativity, but i wish it could control it more. it helps when i meditate and read positive material, but i cannot rid myself from feeling negative when i'm around them.

desertrose

[estopatitiana]

^^you know i have a desert rose growing in my house, its a nice fat beautiful plant. to answere the original question, i know in my heart that life for me will go on like nrmal but have a "different" feeling to it and one day i will just levitate in the air or see something crazy, and be like "well it did happen after all"

[ggw_bach]

the great change is happening every single day, right now! cant you feel it?

2012 isnt happening all at once, its happening as we speak and accelerating every day we wake and even as we sleep.

i know you feel it!

the internet is speeding things up ... compressing things that would have previously taken weeks or months, and piling on the experiences .... a huge bundle of catalysts for each of us to consume each day.

spiritual unfoldings ... a massive influx of knowledge, memory, and truth.

this is happening each hour! forget the day units. we live in a constantly on 24/7 light-switch society ... the internet brings us short digestible video clips - little snippets into potential worlds.

we laugh, we text, we trade messages ... we are living in the shared space of digital reality.

a foreshadowing of the 4d societal complex that awaits post 2012.

the changes are ripping through the solar system; infusing the very space and air that we exist in. it is magic. wonder. units of fire.

ideas are tangible. we are living it.

2012. :cool: :cool:

[techguy]

in all honesty, i knew something big was going to happen to this planet ever since i was 6 years old, i can remember thinking to myself "this is the last life on planet earth, the world will end in my lifetime", i then had dreams and downloadings begin in 1999, i had never heard of 2012 when this began (preinternet days for me), and did not even believe in a god, well, that all changed in 1999 .... if i can change from a die hard aetheist anyone can change as far as i'm concerned. i'm changing, you are changing, so is the planet and so is the universe we live in. x x x

i alway's had a feeling of life as we know it, being chaged; i've had this feeling since being a kid.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

i'm not sure if this should be in the 2012 discussion so i'll let the mods decide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--2blvejowo

be well, be love.

david

[DeepBlue]

hi all,

i have been researching, for a very long time now, and after watching all the project camelot videos on youtube, in relation to dan burisch, bob dean, indigo children, mr x, leo zagami the list is endles, but one important thing i picked up on from all this information is that bob & dan & others have i feel dug and dug and dug, but i feel they cant reveal whats going to happen in 2012, to the point of if we knew it would change the timeline and thus this effect may cause us to miss what will be happening as its happening now and building up to 2012, so they want to tell us but i feel they cant.

now across all the information, there seem to be different scenarios from different people toward the event of 2012, now linking back to what is happening and the key word i hear from bill & kerry in these intervies is "consciousness", so am feeling that if there sources are correct and they seem to be why all the different scenarios, could it possibly be that are own consciousness of the globe, manifests what we believe in, so if we all believe in the positive toward spiritual growth toward love and light, & not being afriad of one another, then will this be the result toward a point of ascension, as we know by now that certain hidden groups have obtained knowledge that we are all supposed to have, if we had this knowledge we would not be in the mess we are in now.

so its crunch time, where its said we have a choice to make, so surley if we have a choice to make we are going to make this choice for the better and not for the worse in our consciousness, to manifest this choice into being as in this 3d world.

so am getting through my sensetivity, that its up to us, so soon there is going to be a film out about 2012, go look at the trailers, but if you come away and believe in this your manifesting this, which is why hidden groups use our emotion to manifest, mainly being fear they cant do anything unless you believe in them, thus giving your will to them. so if this stops and we all become self aware through doing your research, like me i think most people are finally spreading this information like a wild fire, so this has happened and may be because we refuse what these hidden groups agendas are, they have fallen, thus proving our human ability, to manifest our own life through consciousness, so in effect the law of one, when we as a whole being populus of the earth stand up and say "i dont like this this is wrong, i am telling everyone", thus we all stand for the same reason as millions of people, but standing for the same cause, but all the millions of people are as one due to the topic they are addressing.

so people, what are your thoughts, what do you manifest for 2012, i know people know i can feel it, but they are not allowed to say due to timeline cause and effect.

so are we going into the pinnacle of 2012 as a choice of what we want, which is attributed to one of the so many different event horizons, or is purley the event of 2012 1 event and this event set in stone, i feel we are going to choose the event through our choice, so personally am up for davids explanation, through sto, but we are all a part of making this event happen through our actions.

erm so to wrap this up its almost a multiple choice of different endings to a dvd, but i sense its one of the many events from a parallel universe, so if were in control lets make the right decision, lets get what we have missed out on for sooo long, its not that were thick, its the fact that these now fallen hidden groups have lost there agenda they have failed, its time for us to reclaim the stolen knowledge, and maybe this is the reason for the planetary perfect alignment, like a clock reseting the second hand minute hand hour hand all points to 12 on a clock, as the planets align in a straight line its reset time, zero time.

please please add to this information lets start putting this puzzle into place, lets see the picture forming gang, i know we can do this.

lets brain storm all of us together to figure this out, if the people who know cant say anything thats fine, i understand your reasons. but i feel in my whole being the more of us that join together, we are finding the answers with a picture that others can follow for the perfect manifestation into a 2012 event, for the better for every man woman and child, & i hope & feel & manifest with all my being its going to be ascension, the locks come off & were free, to learn as much as we want go where we want, just pure unlimited love & life of happyness.

may love & light be with you forever, & i hope you find the divine path.:)

[Deambor]

hi, deepblue.

good post. i agree we should proactively manifest. i'm longing for a group/circle similar to ll reasearch group chanelling ra/quo. but so far i'm operating alone.
still my 2012 is a painless peaceful transformation. as i was posting somewhere, my transformation is literally waking up one morning into the new reality. boy, is it beautiful!

but even now, as i observe the external world, i do notice things, and they are nothing special, it seems, like i notice birds are singing... how should i say it, more sheerfuly, or maybe more loud, or it's just more of them. but i literally quitre often wake up because of the bird cheer outside my windows. i think i started noticing this only a year ago.
also other simple things, like the grass is sort of greener and the sky is bluer on a good sunny day. i don't know maybe it's my imagination. i asked a couple of people and one agreed with me (about birds), the other didn't.
i think nobody, even the higher level entities like quo, can say 100% how this will happen, as it's indicated, we are changing it everyday. but i do want it to be peaceful and beautiful.
there is a firethegrid ii invite to ww meditation on july 28, 2009, at 6:20 pm edt.

that's one of those events that supposed to raise vibration level to new hights.

love and peace

deambor

[Truth180]

i think the best thing we can do is get out there in person no matter where were at and spread as much love/light as possible. meeting new and different people is a good thing to. during these times when people will have all guards down i think will be more open also. is there not going to be a point where people start to wonder what is going on. so its coming and what we can do is just keep doing what were doing.:)

[truth37421]

yes, i totally agree....i think the point is that we always just need to do our best to be the best people we are always and not to become fearful of change... and it is nice to reply to another truth :)

truth37421

[Habit4ming]

i think the planet is going to change by 2012, though i'm not yet convinced it'll be an actual ascension like some people perceive. at the very least, i think we are entering a new "golden age", whereby wars will cease, technology will be given to the masses, money won't be needed, people will love and respect one another, suppressed cures will be released, et cetera...sorta like heaven on earth.
i feel it, i feel it in my bones and have for awhile now...

[Bwen]

to wait for something is to stop experiencing / evolving. when you wait you trap yourself into the playfulness of time concepts.

do not hope or wait. be!
be whatever you want to be in the now.

[namcap01]

i believe something big will happen in 2012. the thing we need to realize that there's nothing new on what 2012 represent which is a shift in our consciousness. and that this has already happened before and we are going through it right now.

the other thing to realize is that this event is connected to us consciously, and we all control our destiny. so if you want something big to happen in 2012 it will happen.

love & light, man.

[Matthew Clark]

hi,

what a great question my friend!
i must say i (like others) have times when i believe something will happen and then on the odd occasion have my doubts. i wish with all my heart something big will happen, especially when you look at the news with all awful events happening on our wonderful planet aka "home"! david wilcock has been an inspiration to me and i cannot thank him enough for his great works and dedication to help us all. my partner applied for a tax recently and last thursday i was having an "off" day so i asked for a "sign" from the universe to help me carry on my spriritual journey. just 2 days after the tax rebate came through and i promise faithfully (i can prove it) that the amount of refund (bar a few pennies) was £2012! what a sign! love and light to you all - keep positive and keep increasing the energy of love throughout the planet. matthew xx

[lebowski san]

i believe that something will happen in 2012. there is a lot of information out there by so many different researchers that it is hard to condense everything into a nutshell of sorts.

spiritually, i resonate with a lot of what dw has been saying. i feel different and i see a lot of my friends and acquaintances going through "the dark night of the soul". luckily for me, i snapped out of the illusion a while ago, so i have been doing a lot of work on myself and dropping hints and clues for others. lamentably, the phrase "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink." does come to mind in many instances. but hey, we all get there in the end, right?

a lot of the more scientific research makes it easier for me to grasp the gravity of the impending turning of the wheel. hogland, braden, kaku, et al. the changing of light frequencies, vibration, harmonics, electro-magnetism, the mendel brot set, solar flares will all play some sort of role as in the evolution of the species, of this i am 100% certain. however, i take the overly rosey predictions with a grain of salt. there will be suffering. there will be pain. how strong or intense i don't know. but dollars to donuts, part of it is gonna suck. you have to get down with the fire to raise your spirit higher.

this summer i am planning on going to nepal to pick the brains of wise men who contemplate full-time (not in the zombie sense). all information is a blessing. but we must be patient. it will happen. we all will get there in the end.

peace to all.

[Cosmolaws]

the world can only change from within. there can be no doubt that we are in the eye of a huge storm. in sweden we have an enlightend master whom has said that clean drinkingwater will be more worth than the current price of gold, in a very near future. lets see whats happens and until then...
carpe diem friends.

[GuideMySpirit]

i've been researching this issue and trying to discover it through meditation for some quiet time now, and there is no longer the small doubt in my head that's been there before.

after reading numerous books such as law of one, jon peniel s work, and other high level consciousness beings across the net it now makes me wonder, how can 2012 not happen.

with the meditations i've been doing my mind becomes more clear to this issue and it really makes you look at world in a very different angle, mostly as a whole. like the law of one states meditation is one of the most important things to discover when it pretty much comes to anything.

[micjer]

i believe that something will happen in 2012. there is a lot of information out there by so many different researchers that it is hard to condense everything into a nutshell of sorts.

spiritually, i resonate with a lot of what dw has been saying. i feel different and i see a lot of my friends and acquaintances going through "the dark night of the soul". luckily for me, i snapped out of the illusion a while ago, so i have been doing a lot of work on myself and dropping hints and clues for others. lamentably, the phrase "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink." does come to mind in many instances. but hey, we all get there in the end, right?

a lot of the more scientific research makes it easier for me to grasp the gravity of the impending turning of the wheel. hogland, braden, kaku, et al. the changing of light frequencies, vibration, harmonics, electro-magnetism, the mendel brot set, solar flares will all play some sort of role as in the evolution of the species, of this i am 100% certain. however, i take the overly rosey predictions with a grain of salt. there will be suffering. there will be pain. how strong or intense i don't know. but dollars to donuts, part of it is gonna suck. you have to get down with the fire to raise your spirit higher.


peace to all.

well written. i would like to just say that i agree with what you have said.
thanks for that.

[Joeeta]

hiya all...i for one do believe that something "major" is going to happen in 2012 or close to it. as it says in the reincarnation of edgar casey that they can sometimes get our time zone wrong so might not be 2012 but close to it. at first i was cared when i read of the happenings, then i gave up on life and stopped caring for awhile but after i took a few days to let it all settle in i realised i could now put things into perspective and do things and make choices that i found hard before but due to the "limited time" i can now see it all in a new light and i welcome it. certainly makes you want to change your ways and try harder with those people on the earth who test us every day haha.
my big question is has anyone read the convergence books or writings pls? is it even published? i can't find it anywhere at all!! if you could help i would be soo thankful...be well and take care.

many thanks
jodee :p

[Berry Chastain]

hiya all...i for one do believe that something "major" is going to happen in 2012 or close to it. as it says in the reincarnation of edgar casey that they can sometimes get our time zone wrong so might not be 2012 but close to it. at first i was cared when i read of the happenings, then i gave up on life and stopped caring for awhile but after i took a few days to let it all settle in i realised i could now put things into perspective and do things and make choices that i found hard before but due to the "limited time" i can now see it all in a new light and i welcome it. certainly makes you want to change your ways and try harder with those people on the earth who test us every day haha.
my big question is has anyone read the convergence books or writings pls? is it even published? i can't find it anywhere at all!! if you could help i would be soo thankful...be well and take care.

many thanks
jodee :p


jodee,

you are only a click away from all three of the books. here is the link.
http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=4&itemid=30

or go to the top of the page, click start here, then articles and books and they are right there.
hope this helps and enjoy reading.

[grs9769]

isn't it just the dawning of a new zodiac sign, aquarius?

so i've read a mention of 1984 and 2000, next is 2012. anyone have an idea of the next one? sometimes i get the feeling it's just an idea to sell books.

trust me, i'd love to believe something good will come of it but i don't know what to think. life on earth is a bitch and sometimes i think that's why we all want this so much.

then i have a recurring dream about being on earth after something horrific happend, trying to survive and build a new world. so i believe again.

then i hear stargates are real and i hear people describing every sci-fi show i've ever watched saying it's real, then i go back to not believing.

then i learn about ......oh nuts, i could go on and on abut my back and forth believing. i'm a little pessimistic today and on the non-believing end of my yo-yo.

[sibel arikan]

in the sixties, we thought revolutions were the answer to change the world and bring peace and equality on earth.
in the late seventies, we realized that revolutions were futile and if anything counter-productive to the cause, and thought peaceful and democratic solutions, social evolution would do the trick.
neither has really worked, have they?
in the nineties, i personally decided that the answer wld be a paradigm shift. at the time, i had not heard of 2012 or david wilcock but i had read and studied edgar casey and had read the book by marilyn ferguson (please email for book name). ever since, i have been thinking that the earth and all of us who live on earth can only survive via a paradigm shift and that this shift wld be like "one night we go to bed and the next morning we wake up and we are completely different human beings".
and i had also thought that the only way to make this shift happen would be if enough people thought similarly, were kind and generous and loving. the easiest way to do this is on a personal level; one can start with the immediate environment: parents, children, best friends, etc.. then spread, via the buttefly effect, to the neighborhood, the community etc..
by the nineties, i already knew that no government or large organizations, civil or otherwise, no military, no religion can bring about the change that is needed to make this earth a peaceful and harmonious place.

now as i read around and listen to david, all is converging on what i had figured out on my own more or less.

so yes, i believe something important will happen in 2012. yes, most of us, knowingly or unknowingly, are getting ready for it. and i also believe that the actual transformation or ascension will happen form one moment to next.

also decided nothing no radical measures needed to get ready for it either...just be the best i can, share what i know with others quietly and to the extent that they want to take it from me, not control or manipulate events, people or the environment; instead love them as much as i can and share what i cherish and value with people around me...

and trust the universe...

[transiten]

beautiful sibel arikan:)

:)is shining after two rainy and stormy days and tomorrow is summer solstice! i will keep your balanced perspective with me as we take back our natural cycles tomorrow in a small rite in the castlewood of gothenburg. the bureaucratic society make us celebrate midsummer eve on the friday before a holiday, but tomorrow pple all over the world will celebrate summer solstice and i'm going to meditate on that and our continous transformation taken in small steps with small and big actions every minute.

it was raining on the false midsummer eve on friday, but tomorrow the sun will be shining and temperture will rise..what a beautiful sign!

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[denisfor]

something big is already happening.

2012 is a big convergence of people and levels of consciousness and religion too.

there will be some physical changes but not overall destruction like super-tsunami in the 2012 trailer film.

people will unite and reconstruct and use new technology like engine running on pure water and free energy to replace transmission line.

this flood of new technology will result in a golden age of technology and spiritual sciences between 2012 and 2100

ascension will mean the capacity to travel out of the body and lucidly in the dream state.

people will be able to meet in great number in the dream state and they will also be able to travel to other planets in the dream state.
denisfor in quebec, canada

[Air-Wick]

this flood of new technology will result in a golden age of technology and spiritual sciences between 2012 and 2100

actually, in the law of one series, ra states that all must actually physically die first, and the earth would go through a series of dramatic changes to the crust so it can be ready for 4th density life, which would take many years apparently.

and that the people repeating 3rd density and others graduating into 4th density will be directed to planets appropriate for their level of consciousness.

[TheChosen]

i believe humanity is way past the 'point of no return'. even if we look at things using the official sciences then there is little hope that some miraculous technology will save the day... we have gone way way too deep with the current system that any significant change to reverse it will result in great power shifts and political upheavals - resulting in doomsday type of scenarios with great loss of life.

i honestly believe that law of one describes the most probable and optimal scenario (from our current point of matters on earth).

2012? something big definately ... but that is not the goal. anything less of catapulting us into an sto civilization (on whatever density) will be a great shame..

[Saïd]

i believe humanity is way past the 'point of no return'. even if we look at things using the official sciences then there is little hope that some miraculous technology will save the day... we have gone way way too deep with the current system that any significant change to reverse it will result in great power shifts and political upheavals - resulting in doomsday type of scenarios with great loss of life.

1. so what do you want (and thus envision)? the scenario you are describing here? it's very easy to look "out there" and tell what is going wrong. i believe it is important to focus on what we want the world to be.

2. do not underestimate the impact one crucial invention can have on everything. there have always been grave misjudgements of brilliant minds as to the relevance of new technology. with that in mind, look at the plethora of free energey devices built & demonstrated around the world. if only 10% of them turn out to actually work, that alone will be one big game changer. and free energy is only the most popular department of new technologies. there are, for example, several promising non-chemical ways to deal with pollution. the list is long...

the only question is what it takes to take down the present suppression of such "forbidden" technology. maybe the long-predicted oil crash which might derail the present commercial power structures (maybe they are already losing their hold as dw has often said).

[Matthew Clark]

hi "the chosen",

i wanted to reply to your post as i think maybe you have slightly missed the point:confused:


i believe humanity is way past the 'point of no return'.

this to me gives the impression we should "give up" now. when you look at the current situations in this world, it is easy to feel that and reach that conclusion. i am doing my best not to go off thread here but it is a little difficult. 2012 and the ascension is all about change - for the better, at least for the light workers anyway;)

the problems we face cannot be fixed with the same level of consciousness that created them in the first place - (cant remember who said that) but it is a good point. therefore we (collectively) are required to change our level of consciousness and attitude. have you heard of the "hundredth monkey" scenario?

something big happening in 2012? sure. before that will things be handed to us on a plate? no. we need to do all we can at this time to bring about change in our own lives which in turn will affect those around us. it is a start at least.


i honestly believe that law of one describes the most probable and optimal scenario

i recently heard david giving evidence that the loo gave very specific information which was not known back in the early 80's - most of which has come true, years after, thus proving its validity (sorry i cant remember where i read it but trust me it is true). i do not feel that it (loo) offers a "probable/optimal scenario" like a lottery.

in the words of michael jackson "if you want to make the world a better place take a look at yourself and make the change". wise words indeded!

my suggestion to you is to keep your mind as positive as possible, all of this crap we are having to deal with daily is all part of the plan. these are the end times and the "birth" which, as in a real birth will involve blood, will be well worth it.

a great loss of life? if enough people "believe" it yes there will be, we create our own reality. but concentrate and send out love to all - especially the negative elite and if enough people do it (remember thousands are becoming enlightened daily) then any and all tragedies can and will be avoided. just believe.

hope this helps you.

love and light to you all,

matt

[Nirvana]

i also personally believe that what dw and others have described will occur. i mean, why wouldnt i? its by far the best thing i can believe in. offcourse i can believe that bad things are going to happen, but why would i? even though this 'ascension' doesnt happen (even thought i by heard soul and mind believe it will) it is definately an ideal worth following. if my last years spent here are spent by searching for my higher self and understaind the true principle of sto, then it would have not been in vain, far from it. its probably the best three years i will ever spend on this planet, regardless of the consequense.

i want to thank everyone for helping me find the truth, it resonates with me on a level i never thought possible.

love & light to all, we shall emerge victorious and purified of fear if we willst it!

[Alliantia]

hi,

i haven't posted yet, and forgive me if i've missed this discussion, but does anyone know when these consciousness "bump" dates are calculated to occur? david talks about the dates you get if you iterate a proportion of phi with the date december 21, 2012 as the limit, and that, of course, you get more and more frequent days of advancing consciousness. he mentioned the year 2009, and for me (and it sounds like a lot of other people) this current year has presented many opportunities for growth and understanding that have been difficult and surprising in the degree of synchronicity and confusion that has been elicited in my world.

i am curious about the dates that are coming up still, when the date was (or is) this year, and what people have experienced around recent dates.

on a side note, i feel that the phi extrapolation would naturally also work through space as well as time - a sort of shape like an ever-opening flower (that looks much like a pine cone from polar coordinate-style viewing), with two sets of spiralling patterns interfering with each other. i have a hunch that the distance from the intersection of the spirals from one concentric circle of intersections to the next would be a phi ratio to the distance measured to the next circle of intersections. does this image make sense to anyone? i would draw it and scan it if i could.

anyway, it makes sense that we are all vibrations, and our vibrations are not immune to, and are in fact the same stuff as the vibrations of the cosmos, so we experience peaks and trophs (sp?) of this vibration (and others) and think these experiences belong to us. (that is the great mystery and beauty of it all - that we are both part of it all and somehow unique, that in our confusion of thinking ourselves separate, we exert the most exquisite creative explosion of perception of part of this wave form to all other parts. what irony and revelation!)

again, anyway (i tend to be verbose), i feel like i have gone through so much, and most certainly wouldn't mind knowing when the next "bump" is coming, so that i can be aware of it. (maybe not knowing is more poetic though - more the experience we are all after after all...). has anyone done the math or seen it anywhere?

in astrology, eclipses fall in a spiraling pattern over the earth, and each sequence of eclipses is characterized by planetary patterns - such metaphors we humans have come up with to express the mystery of our experience! all the new physics coming out now is like beautiful music. i see so many try so hard to play the music, forgetting that they are but budding musicians. my yoga teacher says, yoga is like listening to your favorite song. do you put on your favorite song and then skip to the ending? no, you enjoy the whole thing. :) i guess with that in mind, what are these dates, and what have people experienced? i've gone through heaven and hell, i've practiced dying and being reborn (i think more than once but there was one big one), i'm still very isolated from people, as i've read others have been, but i chose my solitude as a metaphorical journey into the desert. i knew that it was what had to be done. now i don't know. the end to all journeys is to arrive at our beginning and know it for the first time right? even with all this crazy time line stuff happening, we are all in the everpresent now, finding and losing ourselves. without this paradox, without this illusion and confusion, what would be the joy and sorrow of our dance? how would we write our music?

(ok, so i ramble - any responses would be appreciated!)

[Awake]

based on certain synchronistic events that have distantly and recently taken place in my life, i am certain that 2012 is the evolution of our species.

the way i think now is similar to that of a schizophrenic. considering the events are based on numerology and relationships this is easy to assume. a clinical psychologist would probably deem me schizophrenic with a partial view of my understandings. with a full view, they would most likely question their own sanity.

i hope to be able to share with all of you that i have figured out my meaning of existence on the planet, as well as in the universe. i used to have so much doubt because of my very "strict" logical way of thought. coincidences cease to exist as coincidence once they can logically fit within certain characteristics of a past/present situation.

i'm sorry i wasn't able to share much yet. i only wished to introduce you to the idea for now. in time i will explain some of the events that have lead me to nearly become aware that 2012 is indeed a 100% reality, at least to me.

/thank you/

[evolving]

if it means no more taxes, i'm in!

joking aside, i never felt anything prior to or during 1984 or 2000. i feel this.

[Elvakiel]

in my opinion, i feel that 2012 is a great turning point for humanity. whether it is a good or bad turning point it is up for us earthbound beings to decide. the future is very unstable and can change anytime.

[jellyfish]

based on certain synchronistic events that have distantly and recently taken place in my life, i am certain that 2012 is the evolution of our species.

...in time i will explain some of the events that have lead me to nearly become aware that 2012 is indeed a 100% reality, at least to me.

/thank you/

colour me interested :d

i too have a feeling of hope regarding 2012. i cautiously believe, or at least really want to, that it will be all that we have hoped, lived, suffered and died for throughout our long and difficult history on this planet.

just want to share a story regarding the first day of 2000. i wasn't aware of any prophecies regarding this date, but i had a very deep awakening experience that morning. i was in the florida everglades, on the big cypress indian reservation, and just witnessed the band phish play from midnight to sunrise to a crowd of 80,000 peaceful, ecstatic people. all were present to celebrate music, love, conciousness and life, and as the sun rose that morning, something in me cracked open and i was flooded with the knowledge that all is well, all is as it needs to be, everything's going to be (and is, now) okay. the 'vision' stayed with me for several days, maybe even weeks before it faded and regular life returned to the forefront, but i've never forgotten it. at this point in time, the 'vision' is returning to me in sudden spurts and leaps. at times (that i don't control in any way) i all of a sudden find myself filled with a certainty that is unmistakeble--we're gonna make it, we have made it. where does it come from? where does it go? i don't know. i can easily see that i'm very much a minority in my day to day life, and i remember when i was also a mere muggle ;) well, i was never a full-blooded muggle, just a sleeping and uninformed wizard-in-training, i suppose, haha. i've always been an "idealist", as 'they' so kindly refer to me as :rolleyes: i'll tell you, it can be difficult being a seeker in a world of pragmatists, but i digress.

my feelings on 2012? i just don't know, at least about a certain date. but something's happening now, of that i have no doubt. much of what david talks about just rings true to me, and fills me with hope and excitement. is it simple wishful thinking? maybe it is. but holding his 'vibration' up against more 'acceptable' sources of information (such as the mainstream news), the contrast is unmistakeble. the integrity is there, the love is there, the personal truth is there. now if only a ufo would manifest over my house flashing a neon sign that reads "december 21, 2012", then i would say "okay, i'm sold." :d

cheers,
jellyfish

[Berry Chastain]

i would like to quote here an except from (pm me for the author and source) regarding the 2012 event.

"will the world end on december 21st 2012?


this article provides a summary and bibliography of various views on the correlation between the mayan and gregorian calendars and the significance of the so-called end date of the mayan calendar.

there have been significant changes in the world over the last five-hundred years, most especially in the previous twenty-five years, many of them anticipated by certain interpretations of the mayan calendar. the mayan calendar end date, most commonly thought to be december 21, 2012, is a crucial matter to understand since so much emphasis is being placed on this precise 24 hour period. ultimately, common sense tells us that we will not know until december 22, 2012 what happens on the 21st.

it is important to note that december 21, 2012 is not a date in the mayan calendar. the mayan date to which december 21, 2012 refers is often notated as 13.0.0.0.0 in the mayan long count calendar. below you will find references to how the 2012 date is correlated to this unique period in the mayan calendar. herein you may also discover for yourself that any assertion that the mayan calendar end date means that it is the end of the world is pure speculation, sometimes inspired by people relying on what others say without investigation of their own, and other times inspired by those who wish to monetize the fear that attends such a speculation.

i have read many of the scholarly books and contemporary researchers' works, i have spent years with mayan elders, studied other native american prophecies, and none of them point to a specific 24 hour period on a particular date that the world will end. in fact, once a person gets to know the immense wisdom of our native elders and ancestors, and how they relate to "time," narrowing down anything to a specific day seems even more incongruent with their ways.

my personal view is that the mayan calendar describes the evolution of consciousness on planetary and, perhaps, even cosmic scales. if this is true, the fear around the mayan calendar end date does indeed play a vital role, as fear is always an obstacle to wholesome growth and personal or collective evolution. when fear is transcended by accepting the information it (fear) has to offer, we may finally deal with what is really there. in light of this, an appropriate question inspired by the "end date" controversy may not be "who will survive?" but "how can i transcend my fear and further my own personal evolution?" an evolutionary moment always occurs when we transcend fear.

i have written this article so that we may all settle into our normal but accelerating personal and collective evolutionary processes without any more fear than is necessary and healthy for moving through these challenging times. this does not mean that we can be lackadaisical or nonchalant about making changes in order to help usher in a new world. indigenous prophecies, many of which seem quite accurate, tell us that it is time to clean up our personal and collective acts; otherwise a self-created calamity will befall us.

we are already suffering the consequences of our mal-alignment with nature and each other, and at the same time, this suffering is instigating a global awakening concurrent with massive positive changes in the world around us. perhaps this is why the living maya are eager to celebrate the new cycle, what they call a "sun," which inevitably must follow the ending of a prior cycle, a prior sun. you will not find the maya burying themselves in underground shelters waiting for the new sun. you will find them in ceremony around the sacred fire asking what they can do to align with the wisdom of the ancestors and tapping their own insight so as to align with the energies of the new sun. all this is in the now, not in some imaginary future. our mayan elders, alive with us today, are inviting us to do the same."


the above artcle resonates with me greatly especially as the native american elders don't anticipate a world wide cataclysm happening but a new consciousness globally which will usher in the new "sun" or world. it makes me look forward all the more for the aftermath of 12-21-12, rather than tremble in worry and fear of what the fearmongers as selling.

l&l
berry

[Dropout]

the only possibe thing i can see happening is that the people of this planet will become so fed up with a certain few controlling food, money, resources, and thought, that they will rise up and stop it. let's face it, the people running the show are evil. look at the wars. look at the impire meddling in other folks buisness to gain control of all those things.
the more you give them, the more they take. the more they take, the less there is for others.
the secret is in giving. 2012, i think, will be the date in which we teach them that...again.

[SometimesThere]

yes, i believe that there will be a noticble sign that 2012 is happening, but just to those that have been harvested. to those who are not, they'll feel as if they've woken up and went about their ordinary day as usual - no world ending, no acension.

but to those that are harvested they will feel as if something huge just happened. or at least we'll know something is not the same as it once was, then once we realise what has happened we'll be jumping for joy - or at least i'll be jumping for joy.

whether there'll be a message written clearly in the sky saying 'welcome to 4d!' or something more subtle like a dream, i don't know. but i am sure we'll all know when it happens, and to us it feel like something big has happened.

just my opinion though :)

[Air-Wick]

the only thing i could foresee happening in 2012 is that something is going to happen to the non-harvestable 3d entities, to where they are not present on earth anymore, considering that ra states that when earth is completely 4d, 3d entities will not be able to live on earth any longer, and their souls will be shifted to different planets (with help of the entities of the higher planes) that is suitable for their souls personality.

and to the harvestable entities and the wanderers that have awakened to their purpose while on earth will go through a series of amazing emotions, love, happiness, bliss. and they'll be consumed with light, understanding and realizing all their past lives in a flash, and understanding where they are going to go in the next millennia.


but, then again.. that's just what i think. ha ha.

[HandsOfWondr]

everything that i have read and everything that source is guiding me to screams that this will mostly be based on where we focus our energy. if we buy into the fear tactics that the world gov's are trying to feed us, then this is where our energy will manifest. if we instead choose to focus on love and peace, this is where our energy will manifest. it's all up to us. this is what i feel and what source has been guiding me to which resonates with me.

in love and light,

h.o.w.

[divinity]

i sure hope something major happens... its happening to me on a personal level... i have gone from being a deeply, innately spiritual person who meditated regularly, grew spiritually every day, practiced yoga, was a vegetarian, at the same time, sexy beautiful yet modest and polite, successful in every respect, talented for unconditional loving, mastering the art of seeing god in everyones eyes...i was perfect, perhaps too good to be true... from that i went to being diseased by terminal cancer at the age of 27. i have, am and will be missing out on some of the most beautiful moments and experiences in life.i have lost organs. i was in love with life and spent it learning how to live. in the midst of suffering i knew how to be happy at peace.
before i was diagnosed, i ackgnowledged the possibility that 2012 could bring changes, now it is the only thing that would bring meaning to my disease. the first spiritual lesson i learned very early in life is that nothing is a coincidence...
so yeah, this disease better be part of my spiritual schooling in this density, and i better be moving into a higher dimension of being after this, cause soon i will overcome fear of death and attachment to the people in my life... and then .. what? another density i hope.

i wish i could explain this to my parents...

[Bill]

i sure hope something major happens... its happening to me on a personal level... i have gone from being a deeply, innately spiritual person who meditated regularly, grew spiritually every day, practiced yoga, was a vegetarian, at the same time, sexy beautiful yet modest and polite, successful in every respect, talented for unconditional loving, mastering the art of seeing god in everyones eyes...i was perfect, perhaps too good to be true... from that i went to being diseased by terminal cancer at the age of 27. i have, am and will be missing out on some of the most beautiful moments and experiences in life.i have lost organs. i was in love with life and spent it learning how to live. in the midst of suffering i knew how to be happy at peace.
before i was diagnosed, i ackgnowledged the possibility that 2012 could bring changes, now it is the only thing that would bring meaning to my disease. the first spiritual lesson i learned very early in life is that nothing is a coincidence...
so yeah, this disease better be part of my spiritual schooling in this density, and i better be moving into a higher dimension of being after this, cause soon i will overcome fear of death and attachment to the people in my life... and then .. what? another density i hope.

i wish i could explain this to my parents...

divinity,

first off, my love and energy goes out to you... talk about one of the harshest lessons in this life... wow... please let us know how you progress, as i think most of us know about the experiences showing up are at our calling, so to speak, but to actually have to face something as drastic as what you mentioned is a different story...

when you say you wish you could explain it to your parents, what did you mean? do they think you should be doing or reacting some different way? i can also envision what most parents would think as well, having to watch your child going through something like this, and they wanting to do as much as possible 'to fix the problem'.

[transiten]

i sure hope something major happens... its happening to me on a personal level... i have gone from being a deeply, innately spiritual person who meditated regularly, grew spiritually every day, practiced yoga, was a vegetarian, at the same time, sexy beautiful yet modest and polite, successful in every respect, talented for unconditional loving, mastering the art of seeing god in everyones eyes...i was perfect, perhaps too good to be true... from that i went to being diseased by terminal cancer at the age of 27. i have, am and will be missing out on some of the most beautiful moments and experiences in life.i have lost organs. i was in love with life and spent it learning how to live. in the midst of suffering i knew how to be happy at peace.
before i was diagnosed, i ackgnowledged the possibility that 2012 could bring changes, now it is the only thing that would bring meaning to my disease. the first spiritual lesson i learned very early in life is that nothing is a coincidence...
so yeah, this disease better be part of my spiritual schooling in this density, and i better be moving into a higher dimension of being after this, cause soon i will overcome fear of death and attachment to the people in my life... and then .. what? another density i hope.

i wish i could explain this to my parents...

divinity!

your story puts mine in perspective. i've gone through hell also but on a mental/emotional level after a brainwashing by a meditationguru that took many years of my life to recover from. now i have seen some physical pains recently but not as severe as yours.

in a way your story resembles to mine in that i've been fighting for peace and justice and was part of the first environmental movement in the 70:ies and was a rather successful singer before my personal hell fell upon me.

i'm out of that now but still suffer from posttraumatic stress that circumstances will "make my life fall apart" again. reading your story i will not allow it to happen and also i discovered in the trying times i have that many many pple are really happy to hel and be of sevice even if they don't know anything about 4d and the law of one,

lots of love and light to you divinity. hope to see you in 4d:)

transiten

[Matthew Clark]

i sure hope something major happens... its happening to me on a personal level... i have gone from being a deeply, innately spiritual person who meditated regularly, grew spiritually every day, practiced yoga, was a vegetarian, at the same time, sexy beautiful yet modest and polite, successful in every respect, talented for unconditional loving, mastering the art of seeing god in everyones eyes...i was perfect, perhaps too good to be true... from that i went to being diseased by terminal cancer at the age of 27. i have, am and will be missing out on some of the most beautiful moments and experiences in life.i have lost organs. i was in love with life and spent it learning how to live. in the midst of suffering i knew how to be happy at peace.
before i was diagnosed, i ackgnowledged the possibility that 2012 could bring changes, now it is the only thing that would bring meaning to my disease. the first spiritual lesson i learned very early in life is that nothing is a coincidence...
so yeah, this disease better be part of my spiritual schooling in this density, and i better be moving into a higher dimension of being after this, cause soon i will overcome fear of death and attachment to the people in my life... and then .. what? another density i hope.

i wish i could explain this to my parents...

hi divinity,

although your story is very sad and i am sorry to hear of your diagnosis, there is also an uplifting message in it.

my partners brothers wife has also been diagnosed with the big c and is not expected to be here this time next year. i am amazed at her strength as i am at yours as well.

sending you love and healing energy in the hope that everything turns out for the best for you.

love and light,

matt :)

[noppy]

!!!! it will be like going into a trance or something that is wooow and godly devine love joy truth energy for every moment of your live :d pshichic, healing ability and other stuff that is just far above our imagination right now.

but we lived like this is in the past. and we can create it right now !! all of this! but we are still damage and live in the past , we need to heal ouself and each other. and that is a difficult job. nobody wants to listen to people like david wilcock, alex collier, michael tsarion, neale donanld walsch. we need to heal the world before it is realy over. it's done with this planet. cause? nobody wanted to listen and rather stay in their ego paradise.
there is still hope. we still have a change. it is us, to does who want to heal and love and awake others to heal and love as well.

i don't talk out of negative things about 2012 but denial a truth that is going on is the same. we know it and now it's time to walk our talk. you don't need to do much, just be love be joy be what you chose to be. jesus understood this, buddah understood this , ghandi understood this. louise haye understood this.

do you want to change? than be the change you want to see

[evolving]

i agree with you noppy.


do you want to change? than be the change you want to see

i believe in saying such, you sought this quote:


you must be the change you wish to see in the world. ~mahatma gandhi

it all comes down to the one creator's greatest gift to us, the first distortion of free will. sadly, many of this planet are not ready to make their choice yet, but as such i respect their free will to be on the path they choose, for this is right for them. all is as it is meant to be.

[divinity]

you know, i always had such luck in life... and so much blessing... any way i headed i turned out at the right place at the end. my thoughts materialized so many times, i truly was the creator of my life. i made my choices very carefully based on clarity and purity. my spirituality was utterly spontaneous, natural and pure.so, it only happened spontaneously that i would go to a new seminar or meet a new guru-type of person. this in fact ended up being rarely, and yet meditation and practice and awakening were part of my daily routine. i only ever had one "guru" who first taught me that he isnt my guru, and that it is i who teaches myself ultimately, and soon i realized that life was my true guru. .spirituality is who i was and from long ago knew that it is why i was here. it was not driven by any kind of motive.. it just was. or, it was i.... or... i guess, it still is i. except, this disease came upon me so suddenly, so uncharacteristically... that now, the spark of my spirit is definitely burned out.
one of the first things that came to me as the reasons for the disease, was exactly my spirituality. i dont even know how to explain that to myself. how does cancer come out of being positive, pure, and fearless? i tell you , i knew no fear. and yet now there are moments when i shiver in the face of death and find myself dreading it. wow, to dread a part of life, is a new experience for me. i always chose to acknowledge the moments of suffering and still love them as equally as i did any beautiful moment in life. i know in my heart, although i dont want to accept it and in fact i still do not accept it, that it would have been difficult for me to experience true loss in life as i was a winner, and fear of death, had my life continued in its natural fashion.
even though life taught me first hand that i am the creator of my life, i am still blind to how i created this disease. just one week before i noticed the symptoms, i wrote an e mail to one of my friends. an e mail of gratitude, recognition, awe, and humbleness. i told him that i was going through a period in life where all the squares of the mosaic were in their right places, "why, i even have a 24/7 secured parking space in the centre of town!" i wrote that fact as half a joke, knowing all the time that it was no permanent state, and that a time of turmoil , controversy and difficulty would sure be spread before me again... i carried a sword of wisdom through my life and it allowed me to be happy, tranquil and in love with life always.
and out of that came cancer...........
it just doesnt resonate..... ...
i cannot see how i created this , and probably "never" will.
these days, i have shed wisdom, meditation, visualization, actively creating life. i put all my efforts to stick to the basics, loving, cheerfulness, patience, servitude. i try to accept cancer just as one of life's games and i try to play along instead of fighting it, dreading it and hating it. i just cant believe that i find myself hating parts of life!... i miss my old self. .. but have to live with who i am and just accept being that.
talk about the path of self discovery...

thank you all, for being who you are..

[hoppppe]

hi divinity

im really sorry to hear that u are going through such a problem right now
i dont even know the right words to express my compassion towards u

i really like ur optimism and im happy to hear that u still make the most out of ur life,u should

i should tell u what any member here would tell u,and that is to accept ur lesson and ur karma and just try to hang in there and be what u always were and alwys will be and that is the same old u,
dont let anything change who u are,on the contrary,live life to the fullest.
im sure its tough and sad but try to look past that

i know im not in any position to give advice,but just know my love and prayers will go out to u

god bless u

[RayneboWolf]

most within this forum have gone a long way past speculation and found our kinship here as a result.it sounds like your trying to formulate your own analysis from a very limited comprehension derived from you appearing at the nursary slopes of the ascension mountain.trust your own intuition and be guided by your free will and here shall be for you a cornicopia of delights to taste and mature your senses of 'reality" ;).with simple sight see the truth in word and be not detered for there is no other reason than truth and love together sharing in this time, man / woman in kind.it`s not a case of shall it happen for it is already happening, dear soul :) welcome !


dear friends
kind regards
i am typing this thread to bring up my views on the 2012 event.
i have listened to david wilcock's radio blogs/shows and have read some of his material.
now i must be honest, the things that wilcock says about the 2012 ascension are wonderful, but there is something to consider.
if you recall, people predicted that the world would end (or change) in 1984 and 2000 respectively, but nothing happened.
could 2012 just be another date that is hyped to death only to go by with no ascension?
what are your thoughts and how sure are you of the 2012 ascension?
if you could get back to me a.s.a.p i'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
john

[Zinc sombrero]

most of the previous end of world predictions were made by a single person/group and usually for a negative reason .i can't be 100% sure (75ish% ?) with 2012 or any big event but 2012 seems to have a lot of disparate research pointing in the same direction. to get back on topic i think that there will be big changes but you may not notice at first, kind of like waking up in the morning (after being asleep for 75000 years !). i would also allow the possibility of the 2012 changes occuring either early or late, say +/- 6 months.

[rocksisi]

dear megan, i feel and think exactly the same as you!keep on the same track!don't let anyone shread a doubt concerning whether the shift will or won't happen, 'cause i know and feel it with the bottom of soul, with every inch of my body, and i am sure you feel it too, that soon we- as wanderers , are finally. finally coming home!love and kisses for you!silvia:):p





yes i honestly believe something will happen in 2012. ( or could be a slightly different date) and it's not just because david says something is going to happen it's because i have read it from countless other sources as well. i also have kind of a personal knowing that something glorious will happen.

and the fact that it potentially will happen has completely changed my day to day life. it has inspired me to put a lot more effort into my spiritual growth. i now look at events and circumstances more as an opportunity for growth than an obstacle. i try to be grateful for everything.

i'm not sure if i am feeling really positive and happy (most of the time) because i think it's going to happen or if i think it's going to happen because i feel really positive and happy!:)

just my thoughts.

love,

megan

[George the Greek]

i think a lot of people think something is going to happen automatically. this is not the case. something will happen only because of the artists, technicians and scientists, working to make it happen!

i have a ba in fine art and now i'm doing an ma in graphic design & communication. after researching david's material i thought that my studies and my life are quite irrelevant to what is happening and what will happen. it's one of the reasons i feel a bit depressed..i just feel that noting really matters as far as jobs, skills, talent etc goes, as we approach 'zero point'. do u agree? after all it's not really what we do, it is the love with which we do things that radiates and empowers this 'grid' that we are all connected to.seeing your post and especially the word "artist" made my heart skip a beat. do you know something i don't? ;)
can you elaborate on what you think an artist/graphic designer could do to smoothen our transition to the age of aquarius?
any of the rest of you guys have any suggestions?

my love 2 u all.

[NegaNova]

i wouldn't become too depressed thinking that whatever you do today is pointless, in fact i have a feeling that everything you are doing right now is greatly influencing how this future is coming about. haven't you noticed that no matter what you do or whatever thoughts you might be having, those similar concepts begin to show up in your everyday life? we are all creating this future as we speak, and there is great beauty and love that shows through your art. this is an awesome thing! we don't realize how strongly we are influencing it all right now, but just watch and see, you'll find how beautiful your art and love have helped us all and yourself. we are all connected in this adventure, it is who you are and who you are becoming and how you show that to others that is important. by creating, you are allowing others to choose if they want to awaken theirselves, and if you just give one person even a brief second of inspiration, it could change everything. don't get down man, what you're doing is great, and no matter what you choose to do, we're all behind you. :d

[thegate]

the only possibe thing i can see happening is that the people of this planet will become so fed up with a certain few controlling food, money, resources, and thought, that they will rise up and stop it. let's face it, the people running the show are evil. look at the wars. look at the impire meddling in other folks buisness to gain control of all those things.
the more you give them, the more they take. the more they take, the less there is for others.
the secret is in giving. 2012, i think, will be the date in which we teach them that...again.

i was reading with interest most of the post, but this one caught my attention, and i have to say that i agree 100% with the comment.

for what i can see in people, they are getting angrier by the day. i believe it is time to stop the nonsense those people, whoever they are, are doing to us and to the planet.

a lot of my humanity has been stolen because of the great evil going on. so much we could have had in terms of spirituality if it wasn't because so much knowledge has been kept secret from us. who are they to decide for us? but there you are...they have the power.

sorry, but it makes me angry to have come to realized that we have been [had].

i must admit i lost all hope in humanity (became very depressed a few months ago after i listened to an interview with jordan maxwell...he felt no hope for humanity). i felt the same for awhile, but after i found david wilcock, i feel more positive about the future.

the thing is, i want to believe that we are not so idiots as a race....i need to believe that life is much, much bigger that what we have been told.


thegate

[weboy78]

in 2012 there will be something great about the sun

i also have this for you
eric pearl on 2012
http://www.mylifetv.it/videos/361/eric-pearl-sul-2012

[Sam Womelsdorf]

i think one of the great and often overlooked points of the law of one books is that being in 3rd density is a gift. entities apparently have vied for the opportunity to be here, now. there is great opportunity for a more rapid spiritual development in 3rd density. so, i think people should focus on being here now, and not speculate too much, or spend too much time or energy anticipating the arrival of 4th density. following graduation any given entity is going to have lifetimes worth of 'time' in 4th density. so, while you may feel ready for a change, consider that the novel experience, relatively speaking, is the life we are living! soak it up! right now is the exciting and valuable part, not some time from now!

love/light
sam

[Cosmicdjinn]

dear friends
kind regards
i am typing this thread to bring up my views on the 2012 event.
i have listened to david wilcock's radio blogs/shows and have read some of his material.
now i must be honest, the things that wilcock says about the 2012 ascension are wonderful, but there is something to consider.
if you recall, people predicted that the world would end (or change) in 1984 and 2000 respectively, but nothing happened.
could 2012 just be another date that is hyped to death only to go by with no ascension?
what are your thoughts and how sure are you of the 2012 ascension?
if you could get back to me a.s.a.p i'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
john

i'm just going to lay some ground here.
* according to observatorys the changes are real allready
* according to news, tv, radio, newspaper and internet's increasing amount of content
* according to testimony from whistleblowers and others
* according to mayan calenders and prophets
* according to davids findings
* according to contactee's (pleadian, andromeda, ect..)
* according to research

i am going to go out on a limb here and say yes i do believe accordig to the facts & testimony. not only does ancient civilizations predict, but prophets. not only does science confirm, but testimony of government employees and highly ranked employees in the secret society. with davids findings an research, and backing up stories from many many others.
mr. x stated in his interview that there was a "mass landing" at the end of 2012. the recent stargate opening on jan 5th. presidential elections being rigged and fortold, and prepared. the super power atlantians return.
i genuinely believe alot of the whistleblowers simply because they are putting their necks out. but i also believe in my own two eyes and ears. i know something is out there, i know the government has been covering **** up, and in the end you got a super power in the world with unlimited resources, money, and protector of all these secrets.

conclusion: i think with all the evidence, it is a very real possibility of the mass landing at the end of 2012 which collaborates with 2012 alignment & evolution, i think we are seeing the build up now to the big show. and, i believe that the purpose for it is both to secure the planet of harmfull threats on-planet and off-planet, as well make their self be known. the second according to prediction to lend a hand in the evolution of our solar system, that is coming !. it is too coincidental everything unfolding right now to not have alot of truth in the 2012 events.

[Jenkins]

we are already seeing the changes right now. i believe the changes will continue to come faster and faster until 2012. personally, i think 2012-2013 is when things will start to settle down. 2010 and 2011 are going to be the really intense years of rapid change.

[Adam B]

i think something will happen to way the world works politically. i don't know about a dimensional shift, although i would like it to happen, possibly people really get into the idea of the earth ascending to a higher realm because it's a comfortable idea, and means they can escape or resolve their problems easily.im going ahead like nothing at all is going to happen, but if it does it will be a welcome surprise.

[Rich1111]

i think something will happen to way the world works politically. i don't know about a dimensional shift, although i would like it to happen, possibly people really get into the idea of the earth ascending to a higher realm because it's a comfortable idea, and means they can escape or resolve their problems easily.im going ahead like nothing at all is going to happen, but if it does it will be a welcome surprise.

hi adam b, you could be right. though i think the cosmos has something install for us all. the music of the spheres controls our evolution... this is all about heading back to unity consciousness, it may well happen 'in the blink of an eye' or it may be a moment by moment event.. it could go either way... i guess the jury is still out...

come on david get that book finished. i am expecting some awesome goodies in that one!

[taeko]

i my world nothing is gona happen on 2012 or tomorow. people are fussing about 2012 all the time. positive or negative, clean out the karma, harvest, earth changes, 2/3 is going to a ''new school' because of ''negative'' behaviour. ''no you are wrong because this and that said it gona come true''
thanks heaven that sceptic and so-called ''negative'' people excist. they are the one that keep all these ''positive'' and ''negative'' profecy away from us. prevent them from happening. thank god.
predicting a future no matter how positive it seems robbes people from wishes and dreams, it dis-encourage their creativity and their free-will to create an other future that they wish to see.
don't try to correct or convince some one to follow your future. no matter how much evidence you have that it shall come true. try to accept that we are just an individual expect of god. we cannot have the same visions,dreams,lives. but we need to learn to respect one other speech, beingness no matter how opposite that is from our own speech and beingness and try to live in harmony with it.
this is my truth, my and not of what some book or being said it is true with evidence and positive message. my truth. and you should not accept my truth, find your own truth. that is the message that every god and goddes on this planet is trying to say to you.

[onething]

now i must be honest, the things that wilcock says about the 2012 ascension are wonderful, but there is something to consider.
if you recall, people predicted that the world would end (or change) in 1984 and 2000 respectively, but nothing happened.

i honestly don't know what i really believe about 2012 but the human hysteria about the year 1,000 (yes, people were completely hysterical at that time), 2,000 and 1984 are different than 2012, in that they never had any serious basis. people simply get excited about the turn of an exact millenium and assume that god cares about our little time constructs and will predictably work in sync with them. other than the "wow" factor, there was never any reason to suppose that the world would end in 1,000 or 2,000.

y2k being a technical issue might have had some impact but only inconveniences.

1984? why? because some guy wrote a novel and he picked a date that was far enough in the future abut close enough to be within the lifetimes of his audience. it was a politically very astute and prescient book about totalitarianism and how it works. but obviously 1984 could have been titled 1992, or 1978, or what have you.

[Michael]

hi my names michael, i'm 18 years old and i'm already feeling the effects of awareness. it's been pretty tough and i'm just really trying to let go, i've been seeing alot of time prompts like 11:11 12:12 3:33 and i somehow know it's my higher self reaching me. so i seriously think somethings gonna happen, a big shift into a higher frequency, kinda like ghosts only in paradise. a connection with everything all animals and humans. i just need to connect with my higher self already, i also feel weird feelings on my body, like a second body lol no lie, something is gonna happen hands down..:)

[Glothr]

something probably will happen on 12/21/2012, who knows what. however both my dad and i have been talking a lot lately about events happening all around the world and we've both felt for a long time now that something is going to happen much sooner. i have gotten feelings that there will be a major event in 2010 and another in 2011. at the rate we're going i see disclosure happening sometime in the next year or year and a half.

[clairead]

something probably will happen on 12/21/2012, who knows what. however both my dad and i have been talking a lot lately about events happening all around the world and we've both felt for a long time now that something is going to happen much sooner. i have gotten feelings that there will be a major event in 2010 and another in 2011. at the rate we're going i see disclosure happening sometime in the next year or year and a half.

thank you, glothr. i have been getting exactly this since the last winter solstice, and lately it has stepped up in intensity, which can be rather breath-taking if viewed from a 3d perspective. but i sit with it, watch what's happening - and until now, have said nothing.

thank you for the validation.
peace and love,
kelly

[Rich1111]

no i must disagree. even david says dont wait for some instant thing to happen on 21.12.. its happening now. we are evolving, david says, at a rate never seen before. this is part of the 'divine plan' if you will.

look, for me, the end of the calendar marks the 'official end' of an epoch, but not be confused with some quick instantaneous event.. it ended in 2012 because of when it started, 5125 years ago.. it's the end of an epoch. another will begin on the 22nd dec 2012 and will run another 5125 years.

all this talk of more earthquakes is really untrue. if you consider back in the 30's there were only 300 seismic centres in the world, today there are over 7,000. so of course every single time there's a rumble, it's all over the internet because people are worried, but they don't need to be. this is completely normal. it is talked about more because population is covering all corners of the globe, so now quakes effect more people than before when population was not an 'issue'.

people talking about solar cycle 24, well from all the papers i've read it's going to be a fizzer (in respect to what people are fearing) with perhaps a record low number of sunspots. we are already in solar minimum and that looks to continue for atleast 40 years. global cooling is what we're going into, not warming. see here for all the scientific papers you could possibly want on this topic:
http://www.lunarplanner.com/solarcycles.html

sorry to go off topic folks but this all tied in together. 2012, climate, earth changes, solar cycles and consciousness are all linked together.

[Glothr]

i wasn't referring to earthquakes or any type of global climate change one way or the other. i was alluding to more political events like disclosure. the fact that the whole solar system is experiencing global climate change should be evidence enough for physical change in the future. the bp oil spill, which is most likely something else entirely, is an example of big events that are happening right now. disclosure and false flag operations in the us are what i am expecting in the next year or two. one thing i'm really on the fence about is project bluebeam and whether or not that is true/going to happen.

as far as i can tell earthquakes happen. it's a fact. in order to tell if it was a naturally occurring one or a haarp-induced one you have to look at where it causes the most damage and make the connection between it and the ptw (powers that were).

[Rich1111]

i wasn't referring to earthquakes or any type of global climate change one way or the other. i was alluding to more political events like disclosure. the fact that the whole solar system is experiencing global climate change should be evidence enough for physical change in the future. the bp oil spill, which is most likely something else entirely, is an example of big events that are happening right now. disclosure and false flag operations in the us are what i am expecting in the next year or two. one thing i'm really on the fence about is project bluebeam and whether or not that is true/going to happen.

as far as i can tell earthquakes happen. it's a fact. in order to tell if it was a naturally occurring one or a haarp-induced one you have to look at where it causes the most damage and make the connection between it and the ptw (powers that were).

understood. i saw what you were referring to.. just thought adding a little more to the topic as a whole. yes disclosure would be beneficial, particularly if it aids us in stopping the polluting of the planet.

blue beam.. we'll i dont think anyone knows much about it. all i see is the same text copied and pasted on sites over and over again... who knows. same for haarp, they do have some really bizzare patents though.. i'll sit in the fence until some real proof comes in.

[MtDoraGuy]

i think one of the great and often overlooked points of the law of one books is that being in 3rd density is a gift. entities apparently have vied for the opportunity to be here, now. there is great opportunity for a more rapid spiritual development in 3rd density. so, i think people should focus on being here now, and not speculate too much, or spend too much time or energy anticipating the arrival of 4th density. following graduation any given entity is going to have lifetimes worth of 'time' in 4th density. so, while you may feel ready for a change, consider that the novel experience, relatively speaking, is the life we are living! soak it up! right now is the exciting and valuable part, not some time from now!

love/light
sam

i could not agree more. all of us 3d wanderers are one with our higher 6d self or guardian/higher power/(some call god). part of our contract for being on earth at this time is to learn from this life and help the world into the 4d transition through love/light.

once lesson i have learned is to 'forgive yourself'. this releases a lot of karma from my current and past lives. forgive yourself for what you do not understand, things you though you should have done, or done better, and anything else you blame yourself for doing wrong. remember, most is not our fault, but part of the 'veil of forgetfulness'.

there is no better way to help yourself and the world during this current transition, than to bring love/light from your higher self through you to the world. it is like our 3d selves are beacons, or transmitters to elevate the positive forces working around/through the planet to lift our global consciousness and oneness to a higher level- green,violet, white light.

when in doubt, just ask yourself, "where is the love in this moment". your angels and higher power will flood you with all the love you are looking for.

:)

[Aleia]

hi my names michael, i'm 18 years old and i'm already feeling the effects of awareness. it's been pretty tough and i'm just really trying to let go, i've been seeing alot of time prompts like 11:11 12:12 3:33 and i somehow know it's my higher self reaching me. so i seriously think somethings gonna happen, a big shift into a higher frequency, kinda like ghosts only in paradise. a connection with everything all animals and humans. i just need to connect with my higher self already, i also feel weird feelings on my body, like a second body lol no lie, something is gonna happen hands down..:)
i would like to thank you, michael, for sharing what you are sensing. your post greatly resonates with me because the only information i have received from my higher self about 2011-2012 and beyond 2012 is to change the magnetic energy of my etheric and physical bodies to the magnetic energy of my higher self. since i started to work on that i also feel something that there is another body. i also received information about a possible magnetic pole shift, but future happenings are not set yet and the more important message is to do inner work is now.

aleia

aleia

[White Lotus]

11:11 and 3:33 are times i am frequently noticing the clock as well. i look at the clock plenty of other times of the day and i acknowledge that, but once starting to look into numerology a few years ago, those numbers seemed pertinent to my life for some reason. if nothing else, then to make me smile a bit and say "11:11 again?! how funny." recently, reading through the book of revelations, i came across a passage that spoke of "two messengers of god" during the end times. they were described as two candlesticks, or two olive trees... this made me think of the number eleven... even the word "eleven" seems to elevate.

anyway, that is a bit off topic. i do believe that something will happen on december 21, 2012 if only for the fact that humans are intensely self-fulling prophetic creatures. i am almost positive that plenty of people will be planning big events for that day simply for the fact that we hear about the date quite often. sure, there have been other dates where people have prophesied the end of the world, but never has it been so globally known. many of those dates were specific to a region. to the best of my knowledge, (which isn't especially vast) i have never heard of another date that resonated so deeply with so many people on earth at one time. i believe that our minds do make the world we live in, and if so many people are expecting drastic change, that would be as good a way as any for it to happen.

[White Lotus]

in my humble opinion, maybe, since we are all one consciousness, having so many people in the world thinking about what everyone else is thinking at the same time will allow us to awaken more of our consciousness on december 21, 2012. perhaps through a large amount of people understanding others and feeling compassion for one another at one specific time, we will bust a hole in the walls shielding us from experiencing the world through others' eyes on a more permanent scale.

[Glothr]

recently i was talking with my father again and he brought up something i'd never heard before. he told me he got impressions from his higher self that something amazing was going to happen on 11/11/11 at 11:11 (not sure if am or pm). i haven't ever heard or read anything about this but how many times will the opportunity for such a date and time exist? he told me that something along the lines of a "reboot" will happen for souls on earth who are ready to leave 3d and move to a parallel earth for 4d.

i don't know as much as he does about it because he got the message. in the [message from another channeller that it was] mentioned that a parallel earth exists. i don't have any physical evidence of something happening on this date but there certainly could be good ideas as to what could happen. maybe on 11/11/11 those vibrating at a higher rate will leave for parallel earth and become acclimated with the new environment. come 2012 those who already shifted from earth to parallel earth could travel here in a spiritual form and help the rest of those ready to move on. there will be people who are able to move on to 4d but may not understand what is happening or why, which is where they will come in. rather than a huge shift all at once maybe there is to be a more gradual period of introduction to the new density with someone there to guide you to it, as it were.

who knows, i'm just thinking out loud i suppose. but it is something to roll around in your head and ponder.

[Psion 3-K]

i'm hopeful that something big will happen in 2012 but i will not change my life to accommodate an eventuality which may not come to pass. by this i merely mean that i'm not going to do things like sell my house and neglect to take care of health problems which will magically heal themselves in 2012. i've heard some people planning to do these things and i think that's a big mistake. i know for sure that i have made my own personal progress not at all related to a macro level spiritual event. regardless of what does occur, i will continue attempting to raise the energy level of the earth and advance my own soul.

perhaps 2012 will only happen if people make it happen. i find it hard to believe that it will occur by default but like i said, i'm not adhering to any specific prophesy for a flash point of instant transcendence. i'm going to create that myself regardless of what the macro level looks like. everything i do will foster such a thing, but the end result has to be a planetary decision by everyone at once. my advice to people is to focus more on personal advancement than reliance on some kind of prophesy.

i know david wilcock has a ton of very good evidence to support the 2012 event and i respect all the work that he's doing. without people like him, the world would probably be in a worse way right now. i mean that in the sense that even if he was not a public figure. the presence of evolved individuals is a major component that is keeping this world alive right now. i've made all kinds of progress in the past few years but i doubt it has anything to do with the fact that we are coming closer to 2012

really, let's all keep our heads on straight and recognize our own work. that's my view of the whole 2012 thing.

[Chris Priddy]

i have been getting exactly this since the last winter solstice, and lately it has stepped up in intensity, which can be rather breath-taking if viewed from a 3d perspective. but i sit with it, watch what's happening - and until now, have said nothing.

-tell us everything you've seen kelly.

c

[clairead]

-tell us everything you've seen kelly.

c

:eek: i was simply agreeing with the poster, a kind of reality check - 'yes i am experiencing it this way too'. for my part, in my life, it was a synchronicity, a confirmation. this comment of mine was made some time ago, and was relevant to the discussion at hand then. as to now, my method still stands: observe, observe, observe,

many years ago i had the misfortune to allow myself, in a naive spirit of helpfulness and goodwill, to be dragged into this sort of scenario - 'tell us what you see'. i have no desire to be made sport of or pilloried, thank you very much. you will pardon, i hope, if i seem to suspect your motives. i am simply being self-protective, as the way you put your question had a very bad resonance for me.

everyone is 'psychic'; it is our true state. we are supposed to be learning to get our own information, not reying upon others. we are supposed to be learning to hear and 'read the signs of the times'.

besides, this is david's site and for me to do as you say would tresspass on his perogative.

peace,
kelly

[Chris Priddy]

i have no desire to be made sport of or pilloried, thank you very much. you will pardon, i hope, if i seem to suspect your motives. i am simply being self-protective, as the way you put your question had a very bad resonance for me.

shame you feel like that kelly. (you're among friends here.) but if you don't want to share, i don't mind. (i'd ask why else are we here: but as you say.) just don't figure i'll be held responsible for your bad feelings. you're clearly capable of totin' your own water.

:)

-incidentally my post title 'full disclosure' was a play on my inquiry to you; and a nod of like-minded hope that "disclosure" is indeed imminent. course given your post was a few weeks back it's understandable you've forgotten the reference. in any event if in fact you're willing to share some more- your description was enticing to say the least of it. never mind inviting. i know i'd enjoy hearing more.

warm and lighthearted regards,

c

[Chris Priddy]

-anyone else considering that ra's approximate timeline could be this december?



questioner: am i to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?

ra: i am ra. this is an approximation. we have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. this is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.



as well: what form the harvest wave will take- sun flares -combo of amplified phenomena?


thanks,

chris

[slvrfx]

i believe something very profound is already happening. has been for at least a couple years, like dolores cannon has been writing about in her "convoluted universe" books, and others, whom i respect.

unfortunately, for those who are not getting it, they will not be aware of any changes, because they're holding on to this old world with all their might.

and really, we're not in the business, anymore, of proving anything, or teaching it. we've run out of time, and you either have moved into the light, or not.

as i am experiencing it, it is all about a whole new way of thinking, like from a universe-level, that effects every cell of your body. it causes you to resonate at a way higher level.

it's a connectedness that far surpasses our limited concept of joy, light, and love.

it takes us to a level of feeling that is so intense, no words on this earth can describe it.

i would propose that when we get it, we actually go through a portal, and there's no way, once you've experienced it, we'll ever want to go back.

it's sad that some of those we love, are too busy, or lazy, or not believing that our existence is way more then video games, sports, movies, bank accounts..to let even some of the light in.

[Natho]

it's sad that some of those we love, are too busy, or lazy, or not believing that our existence is way more then video games, sports, movies, bank accounts..to let even some of the light in.

im sure that when the time comes, all those still attatched to the modern way of living with a boxed perspective will see and feel as we do, i dont think it is something that will stay obscure to others, it just may come as a huge suprise to them where as we share the idea of a coming event at present. at that point, they may be given the choice just as we have.

the only suprise that i may see in this future is if nothing at all happens of past predictions, but i never lean in that direction because there is much change in the world almost on a daily basis, too many strange experiences, feeling like a hatchling about to discover the true world beyond the shell.

[4D+Bound]

first things first, lets face the facts. "big things" happen all the time. just how important those "big things" are is relative question (based on a scale of the observing m-b-s complex's experience). more and more of those questions of the old world order pertaining to relativity are broadening scope. it's not the "big thing" but "a" thing that happens over a "large area" (observed by many) that would have the most profound effect on any populous from any of the kingdoms of life. what is happening with our mind-body-spirit complexes (ourselves) is the broadening of awareness (in all 3 aspects of our being in my opinion). that is what i call both, a big thing, and something that is trying it's best to happen over the largest area possible. the advent of the internet, modern communication, and transportation causes a permutation that makes that "large area" a lot easier to cover.

look up stories about how trying to squelch stories on the internet is nearly impossible. the internet, the way it is intrinsically designed "doesn't want to forget" or in spiritually lay terms is designed so that data doesn't get lost from its source to it's destination. even if some of the original data is lost some will still be retained though likely fragmented or incomplete. internet squelching has failed to the point where all major agencies don't even attempt, so they have focused on the disinformation campaign instead. which for the negative polarity is better because it causes confusion which will lower your frequency pattern to doubt. ("the seed of doubt") the proverbial seed in fact will grow, if it is nurtured with negativity. thereby fostering a growth of lower frequencies.

let's just say that from very good sources of mine that 2012 will be a real "eye" opening experience. which is why your frequency polarity is not only vital, but, by 2012 will be globally defining. :d

[12thUranus]

first things first, lets face the facts. "big things" happen all the time. just how important those "big things" are is relative question (based on a scale of the observing m-b-s complex's experience). more and more of those questions of the old world order pertaining to relativity are broadening scope. it's not the "big thing" but "a" thing that happens over a "large area" (observed by many) that would have the most profound effect on any populous from any of the kingdoms of life. what is happening with our mind-body-spirit complexes (ourselves) is the broadening of awareness (in all 3 aspects of our being in my opinion). that is what i call both, a big thing, and something that is trying it's best to happen over the largest area possible..

you put this in very poetic words. love it.

i had a dream that my wife "emailed" me a thought. i think it was totally representative of how our physical world is catching up to our mind and spirit.



the advent of the internet, modern communication, and transportation causes a permutation that makes that "large area" a lot easier to cover

this is all indicative of aquarian, btw.

[4D+Bound]

you put this in very poetic words. love it.

thank you for your kind words 12thuranus, i sometimes have trouble putting what i know into words that everyone can conceptualize. massive downloads of information from the consciousness field and the higher densities have been occurring more and more frequently to me. the simple awareness of the one overwhelms and sends me off on tangents. i may excitedly jump from different "threads" (lines of thought or perspective) on the same "weave" (topic). that usually means i haven't meditated in a while haha. trying to explain how everything is not only related but interrelated and redundantly interrelated, just on this density alone, is an exhausting task, let alone explaining the higher d's, i'll have to master telepathic discipline (which will be easy soon). not to mention that i've only recently started to expose my awakening. one thing is for sure (pun intended) it is a very exciting time for all of ourselves. i've decided to embody true universal love and purest light and truth in this energetically ramped up period.


i had a dream that my wife "emailed" me a thought. i think it was totally representative of how our physical world is catching up to our mind and spirit.

very nice! i love dreaming of my wife! if i may; from an objective perspective it would seem that the different worlds "catch up" to each other (achieve harmony?) in accordance to the precept of the adept. which world is catching up to which is relatively referenced to a particular m-b-s. some people further along in the physical (nice cars, large salaries) are finding spirituality and intellect but losing some of the wealth. men of "little physical value" but strong of spirit and intellectual faculty are coming into a little more physical wealth. and all the permutations of balance thereof. just something to ponder.

i know that ideal circumstances would be for the entire collective to achieve perfect balance in their m-b-s. that is how to best thrive in the 3rd density. that would be an incredible feat considering the few that have achieved perfect balance is very few compared to the average "scale" of the populous. the one that stands out most in my mind would be jesus christ, but i'm a gautama buddah fan too. the moral of the whole story is abundance through balance.


this is all indicative of aquarian, btw.

absolutely.

my apologies for the small novel and i look forward to having at length discussions with my newly found otherselves.

[Easeintothefuture]

i am sure there’s a channeler that’s come up with this concept somewhere – it’s not that profound – it’s just that the common idea of a separation between those that ascend and the ‘stay behinders’ doesn’t sit so well with me because it appeals to that part of me that likes to see me as ‘special’ and - i’m sure you’re the same – a lot of the lessons i have been fortunate to have come across in this life have driven home the point that i am by no means ‘special’. lucky maybe, blessed to have an open mind that’s not afraid to investigate non-mainstream schools of thought as long as it serves my growth and joy, but ‘special’, no, no, no…

no, heres the idea - and i’m not claiming originality here - i think david said something similar if not the same. you know how some channelled sources talk about parallel realities/parallel earths… imagine a piano keyboard where each of the keys represents a parallel earth from the very bass notes – which represent the most hellish painful versions of our reality – up through the middle keys – less pain, more joy and evolution – right up to the high keys – which represent the various gradations and dimensions of ascended earth status – right up to the topmost note which is the highest most joyful, evolved vibe earth could be at and still keep some semblance of an identity. ok. that’s our basic model now let’s get to the next paragraph where we put it to use.

imagine there is a version of me, you, david, whoever, on each of these earths all at various stages of evolution and – because of reality creation – each one occupying an earth that represents their level of evolution. so there are far more dysfunctional versions of me further down in the bass notes and a more enlightened versions of me on every note/earth higher than the one i am on. can you sense what’s coming – you will about two sentences from now.

now imagine that all the different versions of me inform each other - so i am getting some form of guidance from higher versions of me and i in turn am helping - with my resonance – less evolved and therefore less happy versions of me. so we are all linked, all together we make one wave of evolution. here’s me – and let’s say for the sake argument - lucky so and so that i am, i have been working on my stuff and so i get to graduate, in fact i get to go to an ascended earth in one of the higher keys – let’s say i move up one – but because were linked and because all my other versions have made similar progress we all hop up one key, we all get to live in improved circumstances, nobody dissapears, in fact all that seems to have happened to me is things seemed to have got a lot better, the planet’s turned a corner in evolution, all kinds of wonderful things are going on, you’re there as well. let’s party.

now i am sure there are all kinds of ramifications and ways you can apply this idea - and you will notice no-one died - still, you get the idea.

there’s no weight behind this: just speculation, nifty though eh…

[NegaNova]

i am sure there’s a channeler that’s come up with this concept somewhere – it’s not that profound – it’s just that the common idea of a separation between those that ascend and the ‘stay behinders’ doesn’t sit so well with me because it appeals to that part of me that likes to see me as ‘special’ and - i’m sure you’re the same – a lot of the lessons i have been fortunate to have come across in this life have driven home the point that i am by no means ‘special’. lucky maybe, blessed to have an open mind that’s not afraid to investigate non-mainstream schools of thought as long as it serves my growth and joy, but ‘special’, no, no, no…

no, heres the idea - and i’m not claiming originality here - i think david said something similar if not the same. you know how some channelled sources talk about parallel realities/parallel earths… imagine a piano keyboard where each of the keys represents a parallel earth from the very bass notes – which represent the most hellish painful versions of our reality – up through the middle keys – less pain, more joy and evolution – right up to the high keys – which represent the various gradations and dimensions of ascended earth status – right up to the topmost note which is the highest most joyful, evolved vibe earth could be at and still keep some semblance of an identity. ok. that’s our basic model now let’s get to the next paragraph where we put it to use.

imagine there is a version of me, you, david, whoever, on each of these earths all at various stages of evolution and – because of reality creation – each one occupying an earth that represents their level of evolution. so there are far more dysfunctional versions of me further down in the bass notes and a more enlightened versions of me on every note/earth higher than the one i am on. can you sense what’s coming – you will about two sentences from now.

now imagine that all the different versions of me inform each other - so i am getting some form of guidance from higher versions of me and i in turn am helping - with my resonance – less evolved and therefore less happy versions of me. so we are all linked, all together we make one wave of evolution. here’s me – and let’s say for the sake argument - lucky so and so that i am, i have been working on my stuff and so i get to graduate, in fact i get to go to an ascended earth in one of the higher keys – let’s say i move up one – but because were linked and because all my other versions have made similar progress we all hop up one key, we all get to live in improved circumstances, nobody dissapears, in fact all that seems to have happened to me is things seemed to have got a lot better, the planet’s turned a corner in evolution, all kinds of wonderful things are going on, you’re there as well. let’s party.

now i am sure there are all kinds of ramifications and ways you can apply this idea - and you will notice no-one died - still, you get the idea.

there’s no weight behind this: just speculation, nifty though eh…

hm. that's an interesting idea. i like it! but for me personally, i would be careful about downplaying my own uniqueness or 'specialness' because i feel that you are indeed special and one needs to realize this. that doesn't necessarily mean you are better than anyone else, but that feeling of being the one, the center, different from everyone else is i think required for certain personal development. i understand what you are talking about though, because we want to all be equal in a harmonious society, and feeling that same love for everything, and not putting yourself before others, but you are a unique and infinite part of all creation. i mean, no one will ever find another person in the universe that is you, right?

[weboy78]

museum will exhibit vatican's secret archives
historic papal documents will leave the holy see for the first time in 2012.

read more: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/museum-will-exhibit-vaticans-secret-archives/#ixzz1rmzk7yl0

[Christine Breese]

if for no other reason, 2012 will have something big happen simply becuase the mass consciousness is creating it, manifesting it. there will not be one person on the planet who isn't paying attention, setting intention, or looking for something to happen in dec 2012.

personally, i think that day might pass quietly, but the huge energy wave that will happen in the mass consciousness of humanity, that's going to set some things in motion that will appear sooner or later, probably sooner.

2013 is goinh to be an interesting ride! i think dec 2012 is the time that the mass consciousness comes together an everyone puts in their 2 cents worth, and from there something happens.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

dear christine,
after the little storm that happened on the sun late winter/early spring, there was a lot of electric blow outs. we've experienced a lot of these black outs in the toronto area. it was difficult for some animals to find their way around for a couple of weeks do to the effect the radiation wave had on their build in compasses.
it got me thinking along with my sister, that people get quite once the lights go off. we were in a restaurant one day, when one of these black outs occurred, it was freaky and everyone was whispering. it was scary for my sister and me, especially, because last time a black out happened it was in sync with me reading a very interesting quote from the bible about light.
then my husband and i were watching a russian lecturer (on the subject of 2012) and he said something that blew me away. in russian the word "svet" means both 'light' and 'world'. so for us the 'end of the world' is the 'end of the svet' thus light. the lecturer says that there will be an electric blow out and we will rediscover a source of power long forgotten and that we will see electricity in a whole new light.
this is interesting because we are now awaiting the 11 year cycle magnetic reversal sun storm in 2012. what a better way to get our attention than to blow out the thing that disturbs us and robs us from being aware, technology. all will turn off and we are going to look up at the sky and see the stars and create.
and what else can be the source of the density shift and of the intensifying of the light than our sob-logos, the sun?

love and light and love,
ra ma

[UltraMaximum]

i certainly hope something happens.

there is clearly so much more to life than what is taught in school, to think that absolutely nothing would happen in my life, and i'd just work some simple job and basically aspire to mediocrity when there is a potential for something much greater and deeper would be quite depressing.

usually when i'm confronted with a major skeptic who sticks to the idea that what was taught in school is pretty much all there is, and mainstream science has explained everything (ie. we're all living lives of banality), i simply state the fact that we're living in a universe teaming with life on an infinite magnitude, and we are all consciously part of it, (whatever consciousness really is). with that, usually some deeper dialog can be reached with said skeptic. the depth of such a realization always opens the mind to all possibility.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

beautifully said! so well written! welcome to the forum!

love and light,
ra ma


i certainly hope something happens.

there is clearly so much more to life than what is taught in school, to think that absolutely nothing would happen in my life, and i'd just work some simple job and basically aspire to mediocrity when there is a potential for something much greater and deeper would be quite depressing.

usually when i'm confronted with a major skeptic who sticks to the idea that what was taught in school is pretty much all there is, and mainstream science has explained everything (ie. we're all living lives of banality), i simply state the fact that we're living in a universe teaming with life on an infinite magnitude, and we are all consciously part of it, (whatever consciousness really is). with that, usually some deeper dialog can be reached with said skeptic. the depth of such a realization always opens the mind to all possibility.

[Easeintothefuture]

obviously nothing here is original… maybe the application is a little original, who knows…

it’s amazing when surfing the net how many voices and debunkers of same are out there; but one thing that has been brought home to me i kind of new anyway. since it may be helpful i’m sharing it here. it applies particularly to the net when coming across new exciting info, especially of a predictive nature.

you know how when you have a strong desire for something that can’t be satisfied at that moment part of yourself becomes hostage to the future – for instance

you really want something and you have to work and save for it but there’s a chance it may be sold or go off the market or whatever, what happens is part of yourself becomes invested in the future, you won’t be entirely whole and at peace until you have obtained whatever it is and until then even your relaxation has a very subtle sense of stress about it – it’s because the desire has introduced a subtle division within you, a duality, one that your perfectly ok with, but nonetheless…

i know many are capable of pursuing their desires in more non–attached ways but stay with me…

ok having outlined the problem here’s how – i believe – you can resolve it as it applies to anything you hear of a wonderful nature that is posited as going to happen in our/your future: whether it be ascension, stepping into the fifth dimension, first contact meeting up with your star brothers and sisters, whatever excites your interest as being a possible positive component of your future. go within and realize and affirm it has already happened, the wonder and joy and brilliance you deserve – and always deserved since you first individuated from the all – has already happened – you are complete whole and perfect and at peace: at what pace reality chooses to catch up with that internal event is entirely up to reality but as far as your internal feeling life is concerned, it’s a done deal, the joy is already yours – in fact you could take it that reading or hearing about that particular event is simply external confirmation of the inner one that has already blossomed. so you’re no longer waiting on anything, the world isn't holding out on you, you're simply watching it unfold to confirm a beautiful event that has already happened - energy wise - within you

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

easeintothefuture,
nicely put, i agree. for the past 2 days i`ve been putting on make-up, which i usually never do. it`s back to school for me, so i thought i should look good. everyone in my family was telling me how beautiful i look. men turned their heads and some even stared, very inappropriately.

the cloth and make-up i wear are not me. we can dress anything up to make it sound how ever we want it to sound or the effect we want it to have. but then again there are people who`s personality and ego is the cloth they wear. for these type of people, the realization of importance is not the same as for us.

once we all realize that we are both the creation and the creator and the concept of oneness can be understood to full extend, then we will feel complete, perfect and eternal!

love,
ra ma

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

i forgot to add, that i myself was very entranced by my looks. i spend much time in front of the mirror the last couple of days.
yes, it is okay to have such interests as we do, if one understands that there are limitations. those that cannot stand this fact, start making things up or exaggerate upon certain context.

out and about,
love and light,
ra ma

[absul]

look. even if nothing happens in 2012, which is pretty impossible to me, we're all subconsciously going to make all that happens happen, but, if nothing occurs, no ascension, i'm still heading for a spiritual and positive way of life. i'm not going to let doubt or mistrust lead me away from what is working.

my advice is to go with what you feel and not what you see / read / hear / learn. i definitely feel that there are some changes being made globally. we will see!

[ILoveCoffee]

obviously nothing here is original… maybe the application is a little original, who knows…

it’s amazing when surfing the net how many voices and debunkers of same are out there; but one thing that has been brought home to me i kind of new anyway. since it may be helpful i’m sharing it here. it applies particularly to the net when coming across new exciting info, especially of a predictive nature.

you know how when you have a strong desire for something that can’t be satisfied at that moment part of yourself becomes hostage to the future – for instance

you really want something and you have to work and save for it but there’s a chance it may be sold or go off the market or whatever, what happens is part of yourself becomes invested in the future, you won’t be entirely whole and at peace until you have obtained whatever it is and until then even your relaxation has a very subtle sense of stress about it – it’s because the desire has introduced a subtle division within you, a duality, one that your perfectly ok with, but nonetheless…

i know many are capable of pursuing their desires in more non–attached ways but stay with me…

ok having outlined the problem here’s how – i believe – you can resolve it as it applies to anything you hear of a wonderful nature that is posited as going to happen in our/your future: whether it be ascension, stepping into the fifth dimension, first contact meeting up with your star brothers and sisters, whatever excites your interest as being a possible positive component of your future. go within and realize and affirm it has already happened, the wonder and joy and brilliance you deserve – and always deserved since you first individuated from the all – has already happened – you are complete whole and perfect and at peace: at what pace reality chooses to catch up with that internal event is entirely up to reality but as far as your internal feeling life is concerned, it’s a done deal, the joy is already yours – in fact you could take it that reading or hearing about that particular event is simply external confirmation of the inner one that has already blossomed. so you’re no longer waiting on anything, the world isn't holding out on you, you're simply watching it unfold to confirm a beautiful event that has already happened - energy wise - within you

i think that is true, also it's when you learn to be patient and that what you are hoping to happen has a chance to happen...that is is more likely to happen. i'm not saying that one controls everything, but sometimes if you can just stop looking for something to happen for a brief time...then it's not always so long afterwards that the chance comes. the thing is...i just hate how it took me a while to see that.

[ninente]

this is so good for me to read. i'll definitely read all the posts in this thread when i can, but even a few pages was enough for now. my heartfelt thanks to all of you for the encouragement, for guiding me back to what i know. this is my first post, so i won't say more right now; but i bless this site and all who have contributed so much to it.

[ninente]

the hope comes in waves. my previous post was written after it had just washed over me, flooding and permeating me with gratefulness and relief.

other times i'm not sure; i'm not aware of the changes going on right under my nose. i plod along knowing that the wave has ebbed away. i pray for its return when i am able to. i believe much of my purpose here is to develop patience and to prepare me for something i can't see even yet but sense the nearness of now. i have felt this way all my life, from early childhood. sometimes i lost sight of it for a few years but it always came back, drawing me back on course - whatever course that is. staying plugged in to the light summarizes it best.

in times gone by i read and read, learned and learned; but lately there is less dependence on talk and news and more on what is coming from within; more on what i can feel than on what i think i know. just one word on a page can send me on a quest, usually for healing of a wound i've just spotted. i follow the synchronicities. i'm still cleaning house.

and i know this is so abstract i'd be surprised if anyone could make sense of it. but how much sense can we make of the love inherent in a wave?

[Vanya]

i'm letting go
of my need to know
i don't mind
i know i'll find
peace on earth
and my soul will give birth
to another me
and we
will forever be
flying across time and space
with love and grace
change is for ever
i will rever
the glory of all
i am vast i am small
eternal dance
of fascination and trance
i am you - you are me
who are we?
what can we turn out to be?
we create
in darkness and hate
in love and light
through day and night
in unity
allmighty
fragile and frail
we create the veil
and then, my freind
we go home again.

[Kittybriton]

my memory is shaky at the best of times, so please excuse me if i have posted this before.

i have very few compelling reasons to believe that any one event will stand out in 2012 as the moment when it all changed. my belief is that december 21st 2012 marks the cusp of a longer process of change which has been in process for decades, and will continue for decades, regardless of the antics of the human race.

i am certain that we are, to put it gently, behind schedule in our development, and i also suspect that there are those who believe they can correct our retardation by their direct manipulation; if they should happen to read these words, i hope they will remember the consequences of a certain rebellion that happened before recorded history! (at which time, a certain individual believed they could accelerate the process of development)

we have time enough to make good our shortcomings, but we can catch up more effectively if we follow the principles outlined in the law of one, and that includes the importance of free will. if we try to hurry, we will just end up with egg on our faces :(

[pglenn]

so first of all the calendar referred to as the "mayan calendar" was not even created by the mayan's, it is a calendar used in the region by many other cultures for many 100's of years before the mayan's themselves even came to be. so to say "the mayans predicted this and it is in their calendar" is complete rubbish.

follow-up to that is to say the mayan's were intelligent because it is "evidenced" in their calendar is follow-up rubbish (altho they may well have been intelligent iffegardless of any calendar). how can anything particular to them be attributed to a system they didnt even invent or expound on?

then to say the mayan's predict the end of the world on dec 21/22 2012 is also complete rubbish. that date is simply the end of one b'ak'tun and the start of another (b'ak'tun is a period of 394 years and marked on calendar as 13.0.0.0.0). the only significance of that date is the mesoamerican myths say the previous world lasted that long. there is not one piece of writing in any mesoamerican text, and definitely nothing of any mayan source, that states anything about the end of our world on that date. did you read that? nothing in any mesoamerican texts, drawings, pictures, passed on stories, or anywhere in their culture that states an end of the world on that date.

so, where is that concept from? it is from us, the modern culture, and our large assortment of fringe "theorists" and "believers", that created that false idea. someone somewhere misinterpreted a single piece of an inscription in one single temple, and an incomplete insciption at that, that stated there would be a huge celebration of a previous event on that date, and a god's decent to earth to participate in the celebration

oh and lastly lets not forget, there are other inscriptions in other sources and temples and such that write of events that will occur after 13.0.0.0 so just whay would they be predicting events in later dates within the same calendar, if there were any believe anywhere that we wouldnt be there for those events?

patrick

[Vanya]

i think 2012 and the changes will be individual. if you are ready, glorious things can be created readily, as the frequencies become easier to shape. with a loving heart and joyful mind you will easily create your own personal heaven. i think that's just the thing - manifestations of your vibrations will be manifesting all around you at a gallopping pace. if you have peace with who you are, this will be wonderful, and that will just be the beginning. if you haven't made peace with yourself, confronting your own vibrations at every turn may feel rather exhausting after a while...

the collective result will be interesting. how many of us have peace within ourselves?

[ninente]

your poem is lovely, vanya, and this comment suggests to me why we're seeing the extremes of the vibrations' manifestations increasing. if i look around me, i see it's all coming apart. if i look within, i see it's all coming together. almost like an escher drawing where the wide view looks impossible, but zoom in and whatever you see makes sense:)

[Apophis]

much like a fully developed chick still contained within the egg, our world is extremely close putting our beak through the hard shell that surrounds us. when we do we will see that we were not alone in the nest but a part of a kindred family. still new to the universe we will need our guardians to guide us through the first few steps of life, but eventually we will be off on our own, far away from out nest. hopefully one day we will find another to make a new nest with, so that we may teach the young to break from there own shells and walk with us.

12-21-2012 may be the scheduled cracking of the shell, not unlike the first days of spring.

[ciara]

your poem speaks truth, thank you for sharing, vanya

[ciara]

you are rigth there, are no words that define our inner feelings. you put it so well! many people are so hung up on having to be right, i find it a waste of time. lets make the best of the special moments we experience.

[sogoddess]

the ascension happening in 2012 may occur or may not. or it may come about outside my awareness. the idea of ascension is intriguing so i keep reading and listening.

awareness that it might happen hasn't changed my day to day life. it's just added a bit of depth and mystery.:)

nancy in oregon

nancy, i like the way you think!

[Kyle (the Sage) Mar]

many thanks to many entities who have made this possible. love and light to all! i don't know about everyone else, but ever since i've started seeking the truth, learning the truth and giving thanks for the opportunities to share the truth, never have i felt better, never have i felt so comforted. there is also more responsibility knowing the truths we've learned. i don't believe in wasting time, even it is something as simple as enjoying a walk on the beach. each moment is precious, each grain of sand together makes the beautiful beach we walk on. whether we appreciate the sand that supports our feet is a decision that entity has to make for themselves. i believe we can do so much good. have you chosen your side yet? i have. the illusion makes the task seem difficult, because it is. can you imagine the virgin mary, knowing the fate of her son, come here to this 3rd density planet in an effort to show us the way to the light. what suffering she must have undergone. you know what you've to do, because love is the only way. this world is not my world, but my feelings for you all will never change. my love for you all is undying, unending. may the creator shine within you all. love and light

[Linx]

many thanks to many entities who have made this possible. love and light to all! i don't know about everyone else, but ever since i've started seeking the truth, learning the truth and giving thanks for the opportunities to share the truth, never have i felt better, never have i felt so comforted. there is also more responsibility knowing the truths we've learned. i don't believe in wasting time, even it is something as simple as enjoying a walk on the beach. each moment is precious, each grain of sand together makes the beautiful beach we walk on. whether we appreciate the sand that supports our feet is a decision that entity has to make for themselves. i believe we can do so much good. have you chosen your side yet? i have. the illusion makes the task seem difficult, because it is. can you imagine the virgin mary, knowing the fate of her son, come here to this 3rd density planet in an effort to show us the way to the light. what suffering she must have undergone. you know what you've to do, because love is the only way. this world is not my world, but my feelings for you all will never change. my love for you all is undying, unending. may the creator shine within you all. love and light

Wonderfully put Kyle <3 ^^
Indeed, as you've put it, Its more fun just to 'live now' and have a wonderful & exciting surprise when it happens~<3 2012-2013 Ascension, no matter how big an event it would be for some, simply living in the moment, and enjoying all the bountiful gifts our beloved Mother Earth has to share is, and always will be, the most wonderful thing we would ever experience... especially when we would have to leave it all behind for Earth Ascension ='(
Its like when you receive a present from a good friend; If you already know whats inside, all of a sudden its not so exciting. Its the mystery of whats within the gift-wrapping that makes it so much fun to open =)

Having said that though, We're personally really excited to go back home! ^^ Afterall, Once you've been there, you never want to leave!
We look forward to seeing you all back on 5D Earth/Shambala/Avalon/Heaven/ect.! <3 ^o^
Love & Light Everyone <3
xxoo

[MrZ]

I don't believe or know for certainty that anything will happen this year or the next few years. "regarding 2012"

But I do hope something will happen. This all could be fringe science, and half truths but then again a small percent of it could be accurate and David makes some sound arguments that make you think hmm, hmm, I wonder. and I hope.

[Apophis]

Hay MrZ you posted at 2:22 that's pretty cool.

I think awakening to the possibility, is the event itself.
Within your imagination some of what you see as possible can end up happening, right?
Maybe, what you really are is just beneath the surface, waiting for the old parts of you to simply fall off?

[Bazooka]

if you recall, people predicted that the world would end (or change) in 1984 and 2000 respectively, but nothing happened.

if you could get back to me a.s.a.p i'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
john

Moralman,
To be honest Y2K nobody predicted the world was going to end, People assumed that our financial system may collapse due to the Computers not being able to accept the 00 digit for the date in other words there was a minor worry that people blew way out of proportion.

I dont know what is going to happen but I do believe something big is coming our way, when you look back at all the doomsday theories ask yourself this, when have we ever got to a date that was predicted by an ancient civilization? we have never gone through that this is the first time and whats quite spooky is that they predict not only the date but knew so much more than we could imagine they would know.
Things that we have only recently discovered..... What I think happens is that its very possible we go with out sun light for 40-60 hours, as the Mayan Elders state but the sun will rise again however if we do go with out sun for that long people will freak out which may make this whole thing worse than it really is

[zecharia]

Hi, yes, things ARE happening right now. Scan the net and you will see. The signs are all over the place.
Also, during 1995-2002 a group of people worked with ETs and opened a number of vortices around the world to enable this phase. They also created the energy signature (or base) for this phase in 2002 caused by an impulse from the Center of Creation and in cooperation with some, still unknown, angels. I was part of this work and I'm grateful for having been part of what is now happening. We had our "figths" with the dark cabals, but they were always too late to be able to intervene. Our change here is but a small part of a much larger change in all the known parts of Creation. As far as i can see, the concept of duality is about to change. Maybe it has played out its role?

[Hayabusa]

When i first heard about the 2012 prophecies I dismissed it as just another date when nothing will happen. With the current global financial crisis, the threat of war with Iran, unexplained noises heard around the world, massive solar flares, mass animal deaths and natural disasters, now I'm not so sure.

Last year I experienced the magnitude 9.0 earthquake in Japan first hand and have started hearing high pitched tones I can't explain since the beginning of 2012. I have had vivid dreams of a bright red ball of light appearing in the sky and being thrown to the ground. I also dreamed of golden ships the size of cities floating in the sky.

I feel at peace some how and have started meditating more every chance I get. Even on a crowded train in Japan when I am forced to meditate standing up. I am blessed with a beautiful wife that I love. If something big is going to happen or is already happening I hope that we can choose the outcome.

Light up the darkness.

[Tracena]

As far as i can see, the concept of duality is about to change. Maybe it has played out its role?

What Zecharia said here reminded me of a poem written by a young 'wanderer' who said the words came effortlessly, almost like a channeling. It reads as childlike verse about the awakening of love and loss, but is full of yin/yang, duality/oneness symbolism. I find a glimmer of '2012 hope' in the melancholy end. Note the first two lines and the last two lines.

Last night I dreamt a déjà vu
Of a land where one is two
And as I drifted thru the fog
Of fantasy, I found a log
To sit upon and rest the feet
That carried on thru thickest sleet.

And as I closed my eyes to rest
My tiredness turned into zest
And up I looked and saw the leaves
Swinging with the autumn breeze
The cold had gone, the sunshine grew
The sleet had turned to morning dew

The birds all sang; the earth grew warm
And now I had no feet, no form
Except that I had on a gown
More soft than any feather down

O how the fragrance twinkled on
Like colors of the sky at dawn
And all I knew was to expand
Explore, live out and understand

Yet was I anywhere at all
That could compare to what I call
The Mother Earth I could not find
A child at birth and left behind

Woe was I, yet happy too
My loneliness made clouds turn blue
All I wanted was a friend
Someone to share with and pretend

A startling sound my attention took
I did not hesitate to look
A knight before me I saw seeing
Handsome to my eyes and being

As I grew brave and drew in nearer
I saw my face inside a mirror
He was wearing on his chest
And silver armor made his vest.

As I looked up into observing eyes,
I saw a great surprise
At first I had looked into ice
And now I’d seen the same thing twice
Though warmer was the second time
His eyes the echo of a rhyme

Sagittarius by name was he
A knight as brave as brave could be
His steed was a white stallion horse
One guided by an unseen force

Upon his vest he wore a badge
The token seal of every ‘Sag’:
Half man half horse; that’s what they are
Traversing through Pleiades’ star

He spoke, “Dear lady Gemini,”
My opposition in the sky,
Hop on your horse and we shall see
What happens when we are set free -
Free to love, and free to fight
The egos choose when there is no light.”

“Alas,” I said, “My horse is black,
And a suit of armor I do lack.”

Just then I saw a dovelike bird
Alighting near, and this I heard:
“Opposing forces do not duel
Nor is polarity so cruel,
Illusion’s what you choose to see
In a world of duality.”

And off the man and horse did wander
Separateness was mine to ponder
Longing for the time to come
When dreamers wake, and two are one.

[UFO_626]

maybe this whole thing is all a big joke. this matrix seem to have a lot of fun giving you hope after hope and then just as fast tear you down right afterwards and laugh at you and stomp you while you're down. I really don't care anymore. I don't even want to exist on this earth anymore. this 2012 ascension thing is the one thing keeping me from suicide. I don't know what I would do if nothing happens after 2012, probably add more salt to the wound.

[blitteaur]

Definitely. The time line is positive and at least 3% of the population is ready to assist a vast majority of the remaining 97% who will figure things out pretty quick.

[Ed Zee]

maybe this whole thing is all a big joke. this matrix seem to have a lot of fun giving you hope after hope and then just as fast tear you down right afterwards and laugh at you and stomp you while you're down. I really don't care anymore. I don't even want to exist on this earth anymore. this 2012 ascension thing is the one thing keeping me from suicide. I don't know what I would do if nothing happens after 2012, probably add more salt to the wound.

Have faith brother. If you need help, I am here and also others.

[transiten]

Well i got diagnosed with Late stage Lymedisease 8 months after a tick bite and have had a very difficult time and i'm not cured yet. I'm taking a homeopathic remedy SanukehlBrucelD6 and also had 2 weeks of antibiotics (the homeopath sensed i didn't trust his cure 100% so when a doctor prescribed it he agreed just to calm me down. They don't cancel each other out so it's ok.

Due to this i haven't been as active as before but i read The Source Field Investigations as i stayed with my father for 7 months and that was helpful in the midst of all the strange symptoms. Of course I've been wondering why i should attract this disease so close to 2012, feeling i cannot participate in the world out there being too tired, having anxiety attacks and depression focused on trying to find a cure. As I've been an extremely active seeker i surely have been wondering why i should be debilitated at this time precisely.

At the moment i feel somewhat better but it's not over yet. Only time will tell.

(Billybob sez...Dear Lilian..as a mod I approved your post...but not the story within!...will be praying for you, my/our dearest friend!!)

[Mystik]

this post may not be in the right place but i thought some of you would find this interesting. I just watched the new movie chronicle and although its a fictional movie i found a lot of significant symbols in the movie regarding 2012. For instance the thing they find that causes them to change looks like a sun and it changes them using a very high pitched sound frequency. when it shows an arial view of the area it looks like a galaxy. The movie also talks about altruism and the one character calls himself the apex predator, i think this is symbolic of the "for the self" and "for the other" matrix controversy. I'm trying to research the movie now to see if the symbols was intentional or not.

[Ed Zee]

It has been a visual delight for the past few months. I have been seeing geometry and thoughts when I am during sleep and awake. Also during meditation sessions.

Plus the faint binary codes embedded in the ringing in my ears. That's not natural amidst our current reality.

Well if nothing happens then the joke is on me. I will probably laugh it off and move on.

@transiten I am sure you felt something. I believe thing have already started years ago.
Meditation does help a lot. I was fortunate to learn that at a very young age. Maybe try that.

Keep your spirits up. Peace, Light & Prosperity to you.

Ed

[transiten]

Thanks billybob and Ed for your kind thoughts!

The thing is i cannot meditate due to an old trauma. Also it's impossible during anxiety attacks. I try to do some yoga though taking short walks and digging some in my allotment.

[MiaCarrina]

I thought this would be an appropriate topic to respond to. will something big happen? Today is 5-20-2012 and I have found through Internet searches relating to today's annular eclipse that Nostradamus allegedly predicted that there would be a great earthquake today. there has already been an earthquake in Italy so was this what he foresaw or was it the tip of the iceberg? I asked myself what would I do today if it were my last day in this carnation? I could not think of anything remarkable. Instead, I decided that I would want to spend it with my family. So I have made some goulash with spaetzle and invited my family over for dinner. It's currently 5:20 CST. The eclipse hasn't happened yet. A part of me wishes that something will happen and another part of me hopes that I will wake up tomorrow doing the same routine. If I have learned anything from this doomsday threat it's that love is all that really matters.