Hands-on experience with fourth density

[Mikazo]

people on these forums are speculating a lot about fourth density and what it is and who will get to go and who won't. my question for you is, how many of you have actually experienced first-hand what fourth-density is? how many of you have actually been there and seen it, even if for a brief period of time?

[Babyblue]

i have been told over and over again that we are actually going in to the 5th dimension not the 4th, the reason being, we were meant to jump dimensions before, last time we didnt make it unfortunately.
this time, to make up for lost time, we are actually jumping to the 5th directly in an unprecedented experiment of divine proportions.
i don't think about the 4th dimension as i thought we were already living in it, my thoughts manifest very quickly.
love babyblue x x x

[conundrum]

how can you tell which density you are actually in i don't see any numbers written in the sky or did i :confused: i have noticed that some people are biting there lip when i am around which suggests to me i am in a density of great tolerance and love.

maybe if i stop numbering the densities that would best describe which density i am in.

dam fluoride !

:)

[KassandraLoves]

i go to the fourth density sometimes in my "sleep." i think we all do.

i can fly, i can speak telepathically, i can swin and not need to go up for air, i can jump through different spots in time (like in a dream where one minute your "here" and the next youre "there.") i can speed things up or slow them down. i can feel very very deeply., i can be another gender, i can be connected to people ive never met or seen in this life, etc etc etc.

i believe in our dreams we "remember" our abilites that we dont necessarily have here. i just look at it logically i guess. if ive never experienced being able to speak to people without moving my lips or i can be underwater for a huge amount of time, or fly, or whatever, then why on earth is my brain showing this to me every night? our brains learn what we can and cant do. and if we have never done something ever before, how would we know we can do it? its hard to explain, i hope you see what i mean....i had to have learned it somewhere. otherwise i wouldnt be telling myself via dreams that i can.

in my opinion, ive simply done it before. and when i sleep, my "personality self" isnt getting in the way of me remembering that ive done those things before. if i did them in a different density.

thats why i completely agree when david says in 4d, we can fly, we are telepathic, etc. because i do it in my dreams and ive been to fourth density before (as a wanderer, i am a 5th density being here to help in 3d again).

just my two cents. love to all! no matter whate density you are.

[Vinnie]

according to einstein we are all living in 4th density. our minds are "trapped" in 3th density, that is why time is an illusion and this has led to the theory of relativity

[Jetamus]

i go to the fourth density sometimes in my "sleep." i think we all do.

i can fly, i can speak telepathically, i can swin and not need to go up for air, i can jump through different spots in time (like in a dream where one minute your "here" and the next youre "there.") i can speed things up or slow them down. i can feel very very deeply., i can be another gender, i can be connected to people ive never met or seen in this life, etc etc etc.

i believe in our dreams we "remember" our abilites that we dont necessarily have here. i just look at it logically i guess. if ive never experienced being able to speak to people without moving my lips or i can be underwater for a huge amount of time, or fly, or whatever, then why on earth is my brain showing this to me every night? our brains learn what we can and cant do. and if we have never done something ever before, how would we know we can do it? its hard to explain, i hope you see what i mean....i had to have learned it somewhere. otherwise i wouldnt be telling myself via dreams that i can.

in my opinion, ive simply done it before. and when i sleep, my "personality self" isnt getting in the way of me remembering that ive done those things before. if i did them in a different density.

thats why i completely agree when david says in 4d, we can fly, we are telepathic, etc. because i do it in my dreams and ive been to fourth density before (as a wanderer, i am a 5th density being here to help in 3d again).

just my two cents. love to all! no matter whate density you are.

i can't lucid dream like you seem to be able to but i do remember a lot of dreams where i could fly.

and i would float around the room and sort of hover around and show different people.

even after i wake up i can still remember 'feeling/knowing' how normal it felt to just float around.

[KassandraLoves]

i can't lucid dream like you seem to be able to but i do remember a lot of dreams where i could fly.

and i would float around the room and sort of hover around and show different people.

even after i wake up i can still remember 'feeling/knowing' how normal it felt to just float around.

oh, ive never even had a lucid dream.

i just dream very very vividly. and i can remember my dreams. every single night or every time i nap i dream and i log it in my dream log. sometimes, just like david, i even get weird "prdeiction" type dreams. where i dream it and then it actually happens!!!

but in any case, ive never had a lucid dream (which is when you actually realize your dreaming and you make decisions in your dream as if you were awake...). i wish i did though!!! i really want to experience that and ive been trying to will myself to, hahaha....

sounds like you had an out of body experience.

but either way, when you dreamed that you were floating around and it didnt seem out of the ordinary, i honestly believe thats proof right there that life in another dimension is different from this one. that your "entity" can float around. logic tells me you have to learn the different things you can do and if it felt normal, chances are you probably know that you can do it.

love and light!

[Avariel]

me and my red pen. it always gets me in trouble. :)

please correct me if i'm wrong, but my current understanding of the lay of the land is:

1) we're living in 3rd density right now (to be more precise, 3d space/time);

2) you may "shift" timelines now and again as we approach 2012 (a personal experience), since reality has a way of trying to find the timeline that best matches your vibratory level, and puts you there.... it's still all very much 3d though;

3) when you dream (or when you die), your pineal gland/amygdala/third eye complex in your brain, dosed with enough methyltryptamine (a ton of it if you're dying, otherwise just a tad), will take your energy body for a little ride through a torus to 3d time/space (that's time first/space second);

4) the "rules" are different there, you can fly, breathe underwater, heal, know things you shouldn't know, not to mention travel in time, etc. but your dream body probably doesn't realize this, and conforms to many of your ordinary reality rules (but a few lucky souls out there have subconsciously "figured it out" and do all kinds of miraculous things in their dreams). luckys!

5) when 2012 comes around, we're supposed to "somehow" get parked over in that 3d time/space for good (well, for a long time). the odd thing is, our physical bodies will supposedly go along for the ride. kinda weird, eh? same rules apply. miraculous stuff to those who can "figure out how". the rest of us might be a bit envious. :p

6) now 4d is another ballpark entirely, and it's one we're not supposed to taste for quite awhile yet (since the earth will need 100+ years to evolve up <rather catastrophically> from 3d to 4d itself)... but when it's ready, those "ready to ascend" will reinhabit the 4d earth in a new golden age kind of reality. group-identities will be possible (like 6 folks walking around as one shared mind), and the universal mind itself with an entire akashic record full of knowledge will be easy to tap into. telepathy will be the norm. very different. very euphoric. and very, very full of love (if you go the positive route).

7) skipping straight from 3d to 5d? well, maybe a gifted few might aspire to the rapture process and do that. or perhaps the wanderers who originally came from 6d will shoot straight back there once the 2012 transition (and their mission to help with that) is over. i believe most wanderers come from either 4d or 6d realities (a law of one quote). i think most of the 5d'ers stayed home. :)

8) lucid dreaming is a toughie... i've managed it quite a number of times, but only briefly each time. i never did manage the don juan "look at your hands" thing. but i do have this knack for rearranging landscapes as soon as i'm lucid (which usually knocks me right out of it). also, it's also common to "get paralyzed" slowly as you wake up in your dream, as part of you is waking up for real, while the other half still has one foot in the dream you just woke up in. the result is you tend to lose control over your dream body, and slump down or end up prone, only to awaken in your real-life bed kinda sweaty and all tight.


jus' the way it was explained (or happens) to me...

again, feel free to correct the corrector. :d

•••avariel•••

[christincook]

i believe that some dreams are in 4d. i used to have lucid dreams just about every night, and firmly believe that those dreams give one a very good taste of 4th density. i also believe that out of body experiences and astral travel take place in 4th density; albeit a lower (more subject to negativity) overtone of 4d.

david was saying that he thinks that all dreams are just our subconscious mind, and that all people, places, and things represent some aspect of ourselves. while this may be true for a chunk of the time, i do not believe that this is the case all of the time. i definitely travel in my dreams and visit with people.

i do not believe that we will skip 4d right to 5d. i'm not sure where that idea came from. the only think i can think of is that some new-agers out there think that it is 5d we go to when we die, aka our "heaven".

[transiten]

hi avariel

as i understood david, there will be an ascension to 4d in 2012. you are saying that the earth needs another 100 years+ to ascend from 3d to 4d through cataclysmic events. those two concepts don't fit.

can you -or someone else- further explain what you mean? or have i misunderstood what dw states that all 51% sto:s will ascend. i mean we're not supposed to ascend to the same old 3d right?

liliane the transit

[autumray]

i also have many, many flying dreams-several a week-and in most of them i am teaching others how to do it. i love these dreams and really enjoy the ‘free’ feeling i have in them. i think it will be common place to be able to go anywhere by thought/flying/obe in 4-d. i also think that in many of these dreams i am actually visiting others.-as cristencook stated. i do believe dreams provide us with the most direct link to our higher selves-and thus it is very important to write them down and pay attention to them-not that i do this all the time!


as far as actual 'hands-on-experience' many years ago after i underwent a particularly difficult time in my life-i was very hurt emotionally-i went out of town with a very dear friend and had an amazing experience that might be likened to 4-d. we were discussing angels-guardian angels-and all of a sudden i felt the most amazing amount of love i have ever felt in all of my life-i understood-on a deeper level-everything around me just sparkled and glowed with life-i could 'see' the life force in everything. it was very amazing and humbling-i became very sensitive to other people-and people seemed to seek me out at that time-i still have this quality-but i cannot see things like i did at that time-it was absolutely amazing-i continued to experience it for around 3 months-and then it just sort of faded-although-when i think about it i can immediately activate the pineal gland. i really don't know if this is what 4-d will be like-but i certainly hope so because the feeling was just amazing.

love and light,
donna

[Avariel]

hi avariel

as i understood david, there will be an ascension to 4d in 2012. you are saying that the earth needs another 100 years+ to ascend from 3d to 4d through cataclysmic events. those two concepts don't fit.

can you -or someone else- further explain what you mean?

liliane the transit


here's an excerpt from one of david's blogs called "2012 overview":


everyone will experience something — but not all the same

now that gets into [andy’s earlier] question. everybody is going to experience [the 2012 shift]. whether you will actually stay on the earth for much more than another 100 to 700 years in this astral plane, before you reincarnate back into the physical plane, depends on your level of consciousness.

so, there are some people who, once this shift happens, will immediately be propelled into what we could call the ascension. this is sort of like an overall soul review of all your past lives. all that gets [synthesized] together [into a single, precise level of vibration, determining exactly how much progress you made in the earth school].

other people will kind of hang out in the equivalent of the astral plane, sort of like the afterlife. they won’t realize that the earth has changed; they won’t realize that this event has happened. they will forget that there was a change, and they will assume everything is normal.


we shift into time-space — like in the bermuda triangle

julie: so, so you’re saying that in the year 2012, we are no longer going to exist? the end of the world happens?

david: the earth will not exist in space-time. the people on the earth will not be living in the level that we now live in; they will be living in an inverted reality called time/space.

and again, this sounds very sci-fi, and probably makes me sound like a complete wacko. you really have to go so far into the [alternative] science to understand how this would even function.

the easiest way to explain it is the bermuda triangle, where you have multiple reports of planes flying through and disappearing, or ships coming out where there’s nobody on the ship. this is part of a real science that our government has been hiding from us. when you raise the frequency high enough, you get a de-materialization.


great ‘ascended’ feats possible in time-space

this is all leading to everyone having a reality shift at the same time. when you go into this new reality, you will have the ability to do things that you never could have done before.

regardless of whether you’re on the positive path, the negative path or if you’re indifferent, [after this shift,] if you try to levitate, you may discover that you are able to.

if you try to heal someone, you may be able to.

if you try to hear other people’s thoughts telepathically, you may be able to.

part of the problem is, “do you even bother to try?”

so, that’s part of what’s going to happen after 2012. still, the criteria after 2012 is going to be, “do you get it about loving and helping other people, or do you continue to manipulate and control them?”

andy: yeah, self-abundance, you know.

david: exactly.

[transiten]

thankyou avariel:)

i actually remember reading this but as time passes by i forget, have to read the loo again. strong synchronicity here: i have no children of my own, but the 10 year old aquarian boy of a friend of mine mentioned the bermudatriangle and asked me about it the other day and i tried to explain the donut- and worldtreemodel and change of dimensions to him. he must be a wonderer, he's so sweet and interested in everything i tell him and he also told me about premonitions he gets about what's going to happen.

liliane the transit

[333mark333]

i have left body consciousness many times before in meditation, where i go i do not know. what i do know is that when i am there're everything is blissful and my troubles are gone. nothing really matters there're as with self there is understanding. entering merkabah i have found myself in the center of the universe with 360 degree vision and many truths are revealed.

you return somewhat transformed and reality takes on a new form. i have found that i am at times able to access parts of my brain that before were shut. i can understand materials that before i had no comprehension of. before i enter this state my body becomes nauseas and i begin to vibrate and spin then i experience myself rushing towards rainbows of colours and experiencing things i cannot consciously understand. and then i wait and nothing happens, i become frustrated and enter the senses and return to my body.

is this 4d? i do not know yet.


333 mark 333

[YoungKnowledge]

;) i just want to say how relieved i am to read all of your stories, that are so simalar to my own. i feel like i have exprienced the 4d, described by david, in my dreams. i will never forget how good i felt in the dream. it must have been lucid dreaming because although at first i remember teleporting from one location to another, i finally realized that i can levitate. now the first time i levitated in the dream i didn't know how it came about or what started it.... i kinda felt like peter parker as spider-man for the first time :confused: . but i started working at it, trying to figure it out. i finally figured out that i had to run exactly 3 steps, then jump on the 4th so that i could begin my flight! it was amazing!! i felt the sweet breeze on my entire body and i saw the rooftops and i kept focusing in order to fly higher and higher. it felt incredibly real and i was controlling it!! i'm really glad i found this site because it has helped me view our current 3d world from a new perspective. i see it as a huge game, where the the goal is not only to surive, but to win you have to help and love others. i know i simplified it a bit, but i feel that is what it will come down to. if the actual 4d that the earth is moving into is even a fraction of what i experienced in my dream, then i'm definitley looking forward to it!!
peace, love & happiness to all!

[christincook]

before i enter this state my body becomes nauseas and i begin to vibrate and spin then i experience myself rushing towards rainbows of colours and experiencing things i cannot consciously understand. and then i wait and nothing happens, i become frustrated and enter the senses and return to my body.



333 mark 333


this has happened to me in many dreams, minus the nausea part. it hasn't happened in a while, but i do think that it occurs in 4d. when it did happen, it usually was a lucid dream (prior to the swirling and spinning). if my memory serves me, i believe that i did wake up right after. very interesting. i wonder what it is? its cool to know that it happened to someone else, while in meditation nonetheless ;)

[333mark333]

;) i just want to say how relieved i am to read all of your stories, that are so simalar to my own. i feel like i have exprienced the 4d, described by david, in my dreams. i will never forget how good i felt in the dream. it must have been lucid dreaming because although at first i remember teleporting from one location to another, i finally realized that i can levitate. now the first time i levitated in the dream i didn't know how it came about or what started it.... i kinda felt like peter parker as spider-man for the first time :confused: . but i started working at it, trying to figure it out. i finally figured out that i had to run exactly 3 steps, then jump on the 4th so that i could begin my flight! it was amazing!! i felt the sweet breeze on my entire body and i saw the rooftops and i kept focusing in order to fly higher and higher. it felt incredibly real and i was controlling it!! i'm really glad i found this site because it has helped me view our current 3d world from a new perspective. i see it as a huge game, where the the goal is not only to surive, but to win you have to help and love others. i know i simplified it a bit, but i feel that is what it will come down to. if the actual 4d that the earth is moving into is even a fraction of what i experienced in my dream, then i'm definitley looking forward to it!!
peace, love & happiness to all!

yes i can relate to your dreams, though i have not experienced it for a very long time i found that to fly i would have to control elevation with my breath!
the more air i withheld the higher and faster i flew.
shanti

[christincook]

yes i can relate to your dreams, though i have not experienced it for a very long time i found that to fly i would have to control elevation with my breath!
the more air i withheld the higher and faster i flew.
shanti


what a cool thread ;) whenever i fly in my dreams, i feel like its controlled somewhere in my chest and head. sometimes i feel like it comes more from my head, and sometimes more from my chest. sometimes, i can only hover just a few inches/feet off the ground. sometimes i can soar. sometimes its harder than others and i really have to focus on it; those times it feels like it comes more from the head. the hovering feels more from the chest.

i can't recall trying to teach others how to do it, but my mom says that that's how her flying dreams are. my most recent one was lucid, and i think it was the first time in a dream where i tried to tell other people that i was dreaming. at that point in the dream i was a waitress, and trying to take this table's order. they were being a pain in the ass and indecisive so i just shouted out "i'm dreaming (don't you get it?)!!!" to which, one of the women at the table replied in disbelief "you dream?" after that i did try to show them that i could fly...

at that point they started not paying attention, and looking around aimlessly. soon after this, i went to another part of my dream, and actually started trying to interpret the dream as it unfolded. this has happened a few times to me in dreams. i actually try to decipher the dream, while i'm in it. but on this particular occassion, i had no clue what my own symbolism meant :eek: completely stumped! in other dreams where i interpret (during), i do actually come up with a prognosis.

[blueboy87]

i really would like to hear some opinions to something that happend to me while leaving my body

well i made a previous post in september when i felt like i was being pulled upward and i heard voices and i couldn't remember what they were saying.then i started to get scared because i didnt know wat was happing 4 sure,the i started saying in my mind "l love god and the lord jesus,then felt like was was being rocked side to side like a baby.i then felt like someone moved my hands which were crossed on my chest and placed them down towards my stomach.then i opened my eyes slightly and my hands were still on my chest.then i rolled over,and it felt like someone rolled me bacc over on my bacc.it was a sudden jolt in the way it felt like someone flipped my on my back,it almost felt like it had emotion,like,it felt as though it flipped my over in a way as if prove to me that they had control over me.like when i rolled over on my side it just rolled my over suddnely alomost like a flop,like you would roll a bbay onto their back if they keep rolling on there side....i hope ou understand what im talking about,i'm typing very fast to keep up with what i want to say.but anyway


something happend again a few nights ago

well about 4 nights ago was was laying in my bed again thinking very loudly trying to contact anyone who may have heard my thoughts,i was trying the methods i resaerched on obe's and youtube like i do just about everyday..well i was laying there and i fell asleep (i think)but i didn't realize i was asleep,then i started to hear a very loud voice and it instantly made me feel scared,now let me stop here,there have been times when i was very younger up until this point where i would feel like i couldnt move,or i would feel awake and have an instant scared feeling deep in my stomach and heart.i would hear a voice say something in my sleep and i would wake up in the middle of the sentence and i could here the rest of teh sentence when i just wake up.like i would be sleep and hear laughing and wake up and the laughter would still be in my head for a few seconds.it sounds so much louder in my mind than i can think!i mean this voice and laughter is louder in my mind than i can even scream in my own mind.thats the only way i can discride it like the sound just makes u feel vulnerable and scared,


hope i didnt get to far off from my ordeal,anway way 4 nights ago i heard the voice again, i again started to feel that instant terror feeling,just pure fear....i also saw a large blueish face,i cant really describe it because i cant remember it too well now.well it was saying go outside! well just like the other times in my life when i was awoke but couldnt move and i heard a voice like this one i would wake up and stick my head under a pillow and start praying.

well this time,when it screamed at me i was afraid but not like b4,i've been having a lot of faith in myslef and my soul and really starting to grasp the concept of fearless.i've been realizing how pointless and opposite fear is to my soul and how we truly have nothing to fear thru life and our lives after we leave this world,i've and feeling less vulnerable to negative spirits since i've started really meditating and researching different levels of consciousness and et's and spirit guides,

well anyway,when it screamed at me,the first time i just started to pray and say in my mind,i love god i believe in jesus and when i said that i felt that terror feeling lessin,like it was loosining the grip on my lungs,then i saw like a line of light go across my vision or something,well i started to feel confident and when it screamed again i screamed back at it.i said what! what! im not scared!

after that i remember the voice saying something like "impressive,or very brave or something like that.next thing i knew, i was awake so sat up,but i felt different,like i was moving under water and like my eyes would only open half way and i couldn't make them open any wider.well i remember swinging my arms around to loosen up but i was still moving slow.when i was swinging my arms i remember i hit the wall by my bed and i felt the wall and heard the 'thump' from my arms hitting it,so that reassued me that i was awoke.i then looked around the room and nothing was wrong.i leaned over my girlfriend and im not sure what i did i, think i tapped her on her back but she didnt move,

then i was sitting back on my bed and i was starting to feel a panic feeling while i was still trying to stretch my eyes out with my hands cuz they still felt half open almost closed.and then i saw my gilrfiend sit up and say "go outside" or "out the door".so i stopped fighting my eyes open and i started to feel real stiff,thats when i realized i must me dreaming.so i started to do what i always do when i wake up and cant move.i stay very still for a second and i jolt my body.i did that a few times and i woke up....i figured it was just another dream but after thinking about it i believe i had left my body or entered the astral realm somehow or maybe even the 4th density,i dont know, but i want to know if anyone can help me understand what it was that happened.or at least give me a little feedback,
and thanks everyone for taking the time to read my ordeal,

[christincook]

i really would like to hear some opinions to something that happend to me while leaving my body...



the thing with this that stands out to me is the fear, the laughing, and the suggestions to go outside. i guess i'd have to know more about you, and your life to have more of a grip on what it might be, but from just reading what you've written here, it would seem like negative ets are trying to get your attention, or interfere with your spiritual progress.

in david's pc interviews he talks about how when you climb the spiritual ladder (so to speak), that you are even more susceptible to negative intervention; a.k.a... the tests get harder. this may also be part of what's happening, especially if you've been delving into astral projection more lately.

always say protective prayers, and practice positive meditative visualizations if you are going to be trying things like astral projection, and the like. i know its easy enough to just say to you "don't be afraid", but it needs to be a genuine lack of fear, and not just you arguing with them that you're not afraid. really, there is nothing to fear. you are always in complete control of your own destiny and experiences. the next time you are faced with these negative entities or thoughtforms, try to love them and accept them right then and there; picture them, and you in a loving, warm light.

just try to realize how rare and important you are as a person, and an individual soul. it looks like somebody else out there realizes it, but wants to steal your glory and light. don't let them. be loving and kind... kinda like jesus :)

[blueboy87]

the thing with this that stands out to me is the fear, the laughing, and the suggestions to go outside. i guess i'd have to know more about you, and your life to have more of a grip on what it might be, but from just reading what you've written here, it would seem like negative ets are trying to get your attention, or interfere with your spiritual progress.

in david's pc interviews he talks about how when you climb the spiritual ladder (so to speak), that you are even more susceptible to negative intervention; a.k.a... the tests get harder. this may also be part of what's happening, especially if you've been delving into astral projection more lately.

always say protective prayers, and practice positive meditative visualizations if you are going to be trying things like astral projection, and the like. i know its easy enough to just say to you "don't be afraid", but it needs to be a genuine lack of fear, and not just you arguing with them that you're not afraid. really, there is nothing to fear. you are always in complete control of your own destiny and experiences. the next time you are faced with these negative entities or thoughtforms, try to love them and accept them right then and there; picture them, and you in a loving, warm light.

just try to realize how rare and important you are as a person, and an individual soul. it looks like somebody else out there realizes it, but wants to steal your glory and light. don't let them. be loving and kind... kinda like jesus :)
thanks for the insight.i havent been bothered since,but i havent been meditating since either,i plan on gettin bacc on track with obe soon,tonight actually.fearlessness is the key i see,well im ready to face watever wants my attention,i seem to be more in the state of mind of fighting the negatives rather than love them,but now that i think about just loving and accepting them it feels more like the right thing to do.thanks again i'll let you know if i have any other inconters,thanks again

[christincook]

thanks for the insight.i havent been bothered since,but i havent been meditating since either,i plan on gettin bacc on track with obe soon,tonight actually.fearlessness is the key i see,well im ready to face watever wants my attention,i seem to be more in the state of mind of fighting the negatives rather than love them,but now that i think about just loving and accepting them it feels more like the right thing to do.thanks again i'll let you know if i have any other inconters,thanks again

if you have anymore negative encounters with them, i've just recently come into contact w/ some great meditative exercises will that enable you to be more in control of your emotions. they're really simple as well. i've actually been practicing them myself because i've been feeling more negativity coming into my life recently; and therefore more emotional ups and downs.

just pm me if you're interested, b/c they come from another channeling source that isn't approved for discussion on here.

[Deerclan]

blueboy requests:
“i dont know, but i want to know if anyone can help me understand what it was that happened.or at least give me a little feedback, and thanks everyone for taking the time to read my ordeal.”

blueboy,
the final answer is in you, but i will do my best. one things seems clear - you are working very hard on facing up to something. regardless of exactly what it is, you are changing your way of reacting to it, and that is the most crucial part. i want to say, "great job!" one thing i particularly like about discussing dreams on a forum is that there are a lot of very different ideas to spark your thoughts. christin had some ideas i wouldn't have thought of, for example. but here are my thoughts.

what i am hearing in this dream is that you are hard at work on your own spiritual foundation, what we call the "psychological." the human brain is set up in such a way that no matter how much courage we have, events can impress fears etc. on us and remain difficult to find later. events from early childhood can be particularly challenging to gain find, because the brain starts a whole new filing system for memories when we learn to speak. one way to by-pass those neural memory locks is through dreams.

the basic picture i see from your dream is that of an infant being born:
b.b. writes: " ... felt like was was being rocked side to side like a baby.

that sounds to me like floating gently in the womb. you describe elements of a fetal position:
"my hands ... were crossed on my chest"

it also sounds like you’re hearing murky voices:
“i heard voices and i couldn't remember what they were saying.”

you are probably aware that birth can be a terrifying experience, as the catecholamines (i.e., stress chemicals) from mama's body can cross the placenta and upset the baby greatly.

‘then i started to get scared because i didnt know wat was happing 4 sure …’

specifically, in your dream, i feel like i am hearing fragments of a difficult birth. you describe some distress:

“i rolled over,and it felt like someone rolled me bacc over on my bacc.it was a sudden jolt in the way it felt like someone flipped my on my back,it almost felt like it had emotion,like,it felt as though it flipped my over in a way as if prove to me that they had control over me. “… like when i rolled over on my side it just rolled my over suddnely alomost like a flop,like you would roll a bbay onto their back if they keep rolling on there side....

transverse birth? a ob-gyn doctor forcefully turning you? or, as i heard one ob colleague say with professional pride, “guiding the baby down the birth canal”? my daughter was in the transverse position, and that is what your images remind me of. everyone in the delivery room was in a lot of emotion. my wife was in a lot of extra pain, the nursing staff became noticeably more tense. it was clear and my daughter was feeling the fear, because her heart rate shot up near the danger zone. either way, for you these are raw sensations, and they don’t seem to go into words very well:

“i hope ou understand what im talking about …”

i hope so too, but you are the final arbiter on that. :) next, the voices become clear and intensely loud:

“i started to hear a very loud voice and it instantly made me feel scared”

that has been a recurring dream-type experience, which suggests the importance of it. you describe it:

“it sounds so much louder in my mind than i can think!i mean this voice and laughter is louder in my mind than i can even scream in my own mind.thats the only way i can discride it like the sound just makes u feel vulnerable and scared, hope i didnt get to far off from my ordeal,anway”

to me, this *is* the ordeal. this seems to be the heart of it, even though we don’t know for sure what it is about. it is clearly about facing and conquering fear, however, and you are doing a great job.

“it was saying go outside!”

a doctor urging a baby who is stubborn about being born? is there anybody you could ask about your birth? my guess is that you were born by induced labor, due to some kind of complication, and that your mother had been put to sleep. one of the hints that spoke to me right off is the screen name you chose for yourself: “blue boy.” among other things, that could describe a child born without enough oxygen due to any number of reasons - possibly a tangled umbilical cord (like one person i know).

“i heard the voice again, i again started to feel that instant terror feeling,just pure fear...”

again, reminds me of my daughter's birth. quick story. when my daughter’s pulse reached the danger zone, i freaked. i watched the heart monitor with an eagle eye. i started talking to her and stroking her mom’s tummy, and by grace and by god, her pulse instantly started dropping and kept dropping for as long as i kept it up. she finally reached the safety zone again. i was so astounded at being able to communicate with her that way, to soothe my own daughter, even before i could hold her in my arms and look her in the eye. i kept telling her it was going to be ok. i told her she was coming to earth, that we were very happy, and that i was looking forward to seeing her. i also told her that life on earth is sometimes hard and painful, but that “it’s ok!” she’s 3 and a half now, a fearless little soul, and a while ago she started telling her mom and me every couple of days or so, “i like this place!” we have no idea what she means, but there is this little suspicion. :)

“i felt that terror feeling lessin,like it was loosining the grip on my lungs …”

doctors are better about this now, but in times past they used to cut the cord (the supply of blood & vital oxygen) before emptying the baby’s lungs, which made for a terrifying smothering feeling. again, this is all speculation unless you can get some factual details about your birth. let me repeat again, i am deeply impressed with your courage and commitment to facing this terror, meeting it, dealing with it, and most of all, changing your reaction to it. now here’s the part that brings me cold chills of delight at your spiritual courage:

“i saw like a line of light go across my vision or something,well i started to feel confident and when it screamed again i screamed back at it.i said what! what! im not scared!”

i’m wanting to stand up and applaud right now! as i stated in a different post, i have met many people in the new age movement who belittle “psychological” matters, as if it is somehow more honorable to build the roof of a house than it is to build the foundation. well, to my way of thinking, it’s easier to replace a leaky roof than to rebuild a shaky foundation.
i think you’ve done a great job here, blueboy. if i could reach through the monitors, i’d offer to grab your hand and give it a good warm shake and say “congratulations!”

to me, you have just done what jesus said to do, in those so oft-misunderstood words: to live fully in the here and now in the kingdom of heaven, “you must be born again.”

welcome to the planet, blueboy. you’re fully here now. :)

with greatest respect,
deerclan

[Eric The Viking]

hello all!

this is my first post to this forum; i'll start by saying that i have much too learn! i have just started reading the law of one study material today; i've made it throught the material to "part 3".

it seems to me that a 3rd dimension condition is to want to express into the next dimension and beyond; when we should be concentrating on what we are meant to experience in this relm.

if the popular thought that our dreams contain information that our higherself is giving to us in the form of symbolism(law of confusion); then what we experience in the dream state most likely isn't any 4d type abilities.

perhaps these feelings of flight or breathing underwater are things 3d beings are capable of in this dimension. if higher dimensional beings are able to descend to our dimension then it would stand to reason that we as 3d beings should be able to descend to 2d and 1d dimentions; where flight is possible if we were to becomem a bird, and breathing underwater was possible if we became a salmon in a stream.

[Whitewolf]

i'm not even a year into all the "technicalities" and labels for all of this phenomena, but one thing i can say is that not even a year ago yet (last february) something happened to me that i can easily describe as having been some form of ascended concsiousness. whether it was "4th", "5th" or "18th" i have no clue. what i do know is that while i was undergoing this elevated process (something i'd never experienced before), i felt like i was quite literally about to "take off" into a higher realm. in retrospect i believe i was given a "preview" of what the universal ascension is going to feel like upon our own earth plane. while i was experiencing this i had sudden and profound realizations that i couldn't even begin to articulate here. the state of consciousness i was in was utterly surreal and **** man...only word i can think of is...fun (all jokes aside) and yet totally serious and huge. i felt as though i was living through a prophecy of some kind...as though i was being used as a "vessel", yet i'm still unsure as to what the ultimate purpose of this grandiose "preview" was. why me? etc.

what i also learned during this time was that the forces of darkness are extremely opposed to this coming ascension of the earth plane and are attempting to subvert it. their attempts will be (and have been) strong but insufficient against the power of the creator.

after a few months my consciousness returned to "normal" or "3rd dimensional", however you wanna think of it. but what i learned is that this ascension phenomena is real and has been suppressed from religious doctrine since at least the time of the roman empire. this also corroborates what the mayans (and other indigenous folks) have stated regarding this current "world" or "age" being at its end and the new, about to begin. all the signs seem to be pointing in the same direction and i was blessed to have been given divine confirmation about "ascension" and how all of us (at least those of us who practice "service to others" the majority of the time) will experience the most profound transformation ever know to humankind. some may call it the climaxing of spiritual evolution upon mother earth, still others may think of it as the prophesied "2nd coming". what is apparent to me, as well as to many others, is that we are living in the days of great changes.

this is my belief.

[micjer]

i'm not even a year into all the "technicalities" and labels for all of this phenomena, but one thing i can say is that not even a year ago yet (last february) something happened to me that i can easily describe as having been some form of ascended concsiousness. whether it was "4th", "5th" or "18th" i have no clue. what i do know is that while i was undergoing this elevated process (something i'd never experienced before), i felt like i was quite literally about to "take off" into a higher realm. in retrospect i believe i was given a "preview" of what the universal ascension is going to feel like upon our own earth plane. while i was experiencing this i had sudden and profound realizations that i couldn't even begin to articulate here. the state of consciousness i was in was utterly surreal and **** man...only word i can think of is...fun (all jokes aside) and yet totally serious and huge. i felt as though i was living through a prophecy of some kind...as though i was being used as a "vessel", yet i'm still unsure as to what the ultimate purpose of this grandiose "preview" was. why me? etc.

what i also learned during this time was that the forces of darkness are extremely opposed to this coming ascension of the earth plane and are attempting to subvert it. their attempts will be (and have been) strong but insufficient against the power of the creator.

after a few months my consciousness returned to "normal" or "3rd dimensional", however you wanna think of it. but what i learned is that this ascension phenomena is real and has been suppressed from religious doctrine since at least the time of the roman empire. this also corroborates what the mayans (and other indigenous folks) have stated regarding this current "world" or "age" being at its end and the new, about to begin. all the signs seem to be pointing in the same direction and i was blessed to have been given divine confirmation about "ascension" and how all of us (at least those of us who practice "service to others" the majority of the time) will experience the most profound transformation ever know to humankind. some may call it the climaxing of spiritual evolution upon mother earth, still others may think of it as the prophesied "2nd coming". what is apparent to me, as well as to many others, is that we are living in the days of great changes.

this is my belief.

i can relate so much to what you have written here. thanks for this. i too had an experience one night as i was watching a light in the night sky. whether it was a ufo, i do not know, but what i do know was the feeling i had as i stared at this moving object. i feel also it was a "glimpse" of what 4th or 5th density will be like. i have never felt such warmth and love that swept through my entire body. it was as though i was being pulled inwardly and everything around me was becoming unimportant.

the strange thing was this happened after i was looking upwardly and asking for confirmation that i was on the right path!


i also feel that this has all been suppressed through religious doctrine.
i was reading some writings of the cutting edge organization. they tell their followers that meditation is a sin and that it allows demonic forces that come across as loving spirits to invade our bodies. they feel this is new age doctrine that is controlled by the nwo.

strange that the ra material says that religious people that are sto oriented will be harvested to 4d if above 51%, yet their doctrine says if you believe
the ra material you are a sinner and destined to hell. which one is hiding the truth i wonder?????

[Deerclan]

i was reading some writings of the cutting edge organization. they tell their followers that meditation is a sin and that it allows demonic forces that come across as loving spirits to invade our bodies. they feel this is new age doctrine that is controlled by the nwo.

i grew up in the middle of fundamental christianity, and i was told many things such as this. i have never had the chance to discuss the implications with anyone from inside such beliefs, but it seems apparent that to serve god, such folks believe you must remain tense and hypervigilant. imo the most psychologically sound way is the way david recommends - go within, and listen to your own deepest feelings. then choose. i grew up in an intensely fear-based religious doctrine, and i worked hard to conform to it. it never gave me any satisfaction, until i began reading the gospels for myself and saw what a renegade, maverick, rabble-rouser jesus was. as a teenager, i myself came to the conclusion that the "adults" who had created the doctrine of my church were not acquainted with the jesus i met in the bible. that was my answer, and i am at peace with it. your answer will likely require that you do a similar search. :)



strange that the ra material says that religious people that are sto oriented will be harvested to 4d if above 51%, yet their doctrine says if you believe
the ra material you are a sinner and destined to hell. which one is hiding the truth i wonder?????

again, if you look to any other human being to tell you the "right" answer, you will likely be achieving little more than placing yourself under that other person's control. if that is what you want - go for it. if not - keep looking.

one measure of a belief system is it's internal consistency. groups who insist meditation is "sinful" generally use the bible as their unique standard for everything. can they produce any material from the bible that says meditation is sinful? i would say not, and in fact no less an authority than jesus strongly encouraged people to meditate. repeatedly he tells them to meditate on nature images to learn about the kingdom of god. he used a word translated into greek language as "katamanthano," which means to study deeply, to know with the mind. in my opinion "katamanthano" translates into modern language as "meditate," and jesus told people to go meditate on the birds and the flowers to rid themselves of needless anxiety. thus, it seems clear to me that it is too serious a contradiction to claim to follow jesus while considering jesus' urge to meditate on nature as a means to learn about god.

each person has their own way of sorting through ideas. my usual one is to ask if it is psychologically healthy. i have personally watched as some old hard-core believers in christian fundamentalism approach death, and i saw anything *but* mental health - profoundly deep depression, terror, and deep compelling obsessions of eternal punishment. i do not consider that mentally healthy.

the above are just a couple of ways i answer such questions as you posed, for myself. my answers are not for everyone. to borrow from some other folks - "ymmv." "your mileage may vary." :)

blessings and peace in your quest for answers.

deerclan

[Whitewolf]

which one is hiding the truth i wonder?????

thanks for the compliment my friend.

during my experience, which lasted roughly 3 months, i found that the real truth lies within. go with your intuition. that's what some call "gnosis", the direct link between an individual living in the physical and the creator. others call it heresy and have persecuted those who believe as we do. the fact that we can talk about it now openly is proof in and of itself that human spiritual evolution is a fact (imo). well, if we're evolving...that must mean there's a destination to reach. what can that destination be? ascension? that's my guess and gut feeling.

as for religious folks who choose to take part in arguing till they are blue in the face, i no longer care which among them is telling the truth. i've found my own truth, which happens to be (or seems to be) a series of universal truths that relate to a divine cosmic plan. the real "new world order". the "nwo" of the real creator.

[George the Greek]

dear all,
this is my first post in the divine cosmos forum. first of all i would like to point some things out.
no one really knows what is going to happen in a couple of years (ascension process). some people say that we are all going to become fourth density entities, even though in the law of one ra states that "..if an entity doesn't do its' homework, then it won't be harvested..", which kinda means that if you don't study, you won't be graduating. this seems logical to me. so, isn't it a bit naive of some people to post all these romantic notions about life in say 10 years from now?? coz, if you are wondering if your goldfish will ascend with you or whether you see your spouse in 25.000 years from now, then my friend, in all respect, you are probably one of the many who will repeat 3rd density..
in the law of one, ra also states that "..during the process of our planet's transition into 4th density, all 3rd density entities will go through the process that we know of as death." and even though wilcock tries to soften the blow by telling us that this will be a higly "ecstatic" phenomenon, this "three way split", sounds pretty nasty to me. but then again i understand that it's all about our perception of this ascension that will determine whether it's nasty or ecstatic.
i find myself deeply concerned about 2012. actually it is the only thing i think about.a part of me is saying "thank god, it's about time" and another part is saying "so what do i do know? all my (3rd density)plans and aspirations are pointless..what do i do for the next 2 years, knowing the things i know?" then again i have always felt alienated, like a part of a machine that doesn't fit there.i'm sure there are more of u who think that way, i hope there are. i'm not implying that i am a wanderer. i dunno if i am. sometimes i feel i am, but then again if that is the case then i have dissapointed my so called brothers & sisters ("home" and all 3rd density on this planet). going through this forum it seems like being a starseed is becoming like sort of a trend. if you guys trully are wanderers (and if i am too), then shouldn't we be meditating 24/7 in order to soften the upcoming "earth changes" (the monetary system collapsing, epidemics, earthquakes, possible nuclear war)??
to be honest, after all my research on this subject whic has been going on for a long time, i still don't have a clear idea of exactly what's going to happen..and it's eating me away.
if there is anyone out there who has any idea (realistic - not too romantic, not to gloomy or whatever) then please enlighten me.
i'll be checking this page out for answers.
p.s. i would also like to share some photos with you. i could not believe my eyes when my father (who has an affinity with astronomy) sent me these, titled the satellites of earth which have been photographed from october 1957 up to january 2008. 'they' call this "space junk"..:
love/light & light/love, brothers and sisters of sorrow(or not).
we are all one.

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[christincook]

...so, isn't it a bit naive of some people to post all these romantic notions about life in say 10 years from now?? coz, if you are wondering if your goldfish will ascend with you or whether you see your spouse in 25.000 years from now, then my friend, in all respect, you are probably one of the many who will repeat 3rd density..

i think this is a little mean and presumptive, but i understand that you are only saying it b/c of your current mindset; evenso, you might be right.


i find myself deeply concerned about 2012. actually it is the only thing i think about.a part of me is saying "thank god, it's about time" and another part is saying "so what do i do know? all my (3rd density)plans and aspirations are pointless..what do i do for the next 2 years, knowing the things i know?"

i think that everyone who posts on these forums has felt this way at one point in time or another. all i can say is that you have to stop having this mindset. i can't tell you how to do that, but there comes a point when you'll accept that fact that you can either worry about it 24/7, or just live your life in the moment. if you believe in a higher power, then know that you will be guided to do what you need to do, and to be where you need to be.


going through this forum it seems like being a starseed is becoming like sort of a trend. if you guys trully are wanderers (and if i am too), then shouldn't we be meditating 24/7 in order to soften the upcoming "earth changes" (the monetary system collapsing, epidemics, earthquakes, possible nuclear war)??..

yeah, it might seem like it's a trend, but doesn't it all make sense that people are awakening on a grand scale at this time? and wouldn't it make even more sense that many of them have gravitated to a forum like this? this is "wanderer" central, and rightfully so ;-) as far as meditating 24/7... no, i don't think this is what we should be doing. we should be living our lives, interacting with people, learning, evolving, exercising, eating, loving, playing with our pets and children, etc. this is how we evolve, not by sitting in meditation all day long. true, this is some peoples' paths, but for most of us it's not. many believe that by just being a wanderer here at this time, we are helping to raise the planet's vibrations. it would also seem that so far, we've been doing an excellent job; the changes have already been greatly softened.


to be honest, after all my research on this subject whic has been going on for a long time, i still don't have a clear idea of exactly what's going to happen..and it's eating me away.


no one knows what will happen, and it will continue to eat you away until you change your perspective to a more positive one. fear, anxiety, anger, and condescension is not the answer to 2012 and beyond.

[Whitewolf]

it eats at me too. but i have a much more optimistic view on what's gonna happen. regardless of what does take place by 2012, i have no doubt that the powers of materialism that have ruled this world since at least the roman empire are now taking their last breath. the pendulum is about to swing in the other direction, or perhaps something else. regardless, things are going to increasingly become more and more "metaphysical".

[Tim_R]

hi guys,

i just thought i would offer my experiences to the group.

in 1993 my spiritual path led me to an "awakening" experience when i was living in las vegas, nv. las vegas has some pretty dedicated pockets of spirituality there both good and bad (loving/service to other centered vs. dark/satanic/service to self). i "woke up" in the company of a bunch of people seeking conscious contact with their higher power, so it moved right into the next phase of my life spiritual life surrounded by like-minded people.

so one of the first spiritual people i was introduced to was edgar cayce. in one of the books written about e.c., they gave his instructions on how to jump-start telepathy and mind-reading. the quote basically said that if a person wanted to acquire the gift of telepathy, they just had partner with another person, sit down everyday at the same time of day, and write down what the other person was thinking about. and do this for 21 days. and they would have the gift of telepathy. a friend and i did this for 21 days. for the first 10 minutes i would write down what she was thinking and for the last 10 minutes she would write down what she thought i was thinking. we made it real simple and would concentrate our thoughts on a single object for that 10 minutes, and write down what we had been thinking about (an apple, a pencil, a bird, etc.) and after the 21 days we compared our daily journals. it turned out that none of the things she wrote or i wrote matched, but the huge surprise was that we had begun sharing our thoughts 24 hours a day! i would be thinking a particular thought about a spiritual subject and it turns out she had been thinking about the same thought at the same time of day.

for the last 10 years or so i have been seeing that this easy telepathy is happening more and more ever day, and often with complete strangers. it has motivated me to really clean up my thoughts and deal with any thoughts that i wouldn't want anyone to know. my understanding is that this easy telepathy is going to be a constant feature of the 4th dimensional existence.

also, the lag time between thinking a thought and having it appear in this "illusion" has been drastically reduced. i don't have any real control over it, and if i dwell on an angry or ugly thought, i find something "bad" happens pretty fast (a person is rude, i absentmindedly skin my knuckles on something through clumsiness, etc.) lots of examples of this, good and bad. i won't kill you with a long list.

also i time is speeding up and slowing down when i need it to be with only conscious effort. i know that may sound bogus. i am not talking about huge time displacements (yet), and i am sure that i could not duplicate it under laboratory conditions, but the truth of my life (or yours) has nothing to do with "laboratory conditions", right? if it "seems" to be happening in my life, and i can see the change, that's ultimately what matters, right?

finally, cool synchronicities are increasing in my life. ex: i have been out of work for over a year. my bills are paid, and i have used my time wisely for spiritual purposes, but it would be nice to have more money in my life. last tuesday morning i had a strong but fast thought that i wanted to find a good job soon. that night when i was coming home from a spiritual group meeting (a course in miracles study group), my engine suddenly died. i managed to pull off the road and into a parking lot. to be polite/responsible i stopped into the building's office to ask permission to park there overnight, and on the way bumped into two gentlemen who were standing outside talking. to make a long story short, one of the guys there was the regional director of employment for the church who's parking lot i just happened to pull into. i am attending a professional networking group next monday that is only available to these church members and select invited guests. these sorts of synchronicities are happening more and more often to me.

i wish i could say that i can tell when i am moving through the illusion in 3rd or 4th density, but i can't. so i use every spiritual tool i have to try to raise my vibration so that i spend more and more time there.

i hope this helps the thread readers. i am trying to live as disciplined as possible to make a complete jump to the 4th dimension (or higher?) asap. i am ready to leave this place behind!

your fellow traveler

[George the Greek]

i think this is a little mean and presumptive, but i understand that you are only saying it b/c of your current mindset; evenso, you might be right.



i think that everyone who posts on these forums has felt this way at one point in time or another. all i can say is that you have to stop having this mindset. i can't tell you how to do that, but there comes a point when you'll accept that fact that you can either worry about it 24/7, or just live your life in the moment. if you believe in a higher power, then know that you will be guided to do what you need to do, and to be where you need to be.



yeah, it might seem like it's a trend, but doesn't it all make sense that people are awakening on a grand scale at this time? and wouldn't it make even more sense that many of them have gravitated to a forum like this? this is "wanderer" central, and rightfully so ;-) as far as meditating 24/7... no, i don't think this is what we should be doing. we should be living our lives, interacting with people, learning, evolving, exercising, eating, loving, playing with our pets and children, etc. this is how we evolve, not by sitting in meditation all day long. true, this is some peoples' paths, but for most of us it's not. many believe that by just being a wanderer here at this time, we are helping to raise the planet's vibrations. it would also seem that so far, we've been doing an excellent job; the changes have already been greatly softened.



no one knows what will happen, and it will continue to eat you away until you change your perspective to a more positive one. fear, anxiety, anger, and condescension is not the answer to 2012 and beyond.

to christine and to all of the members of this forum,

i just want to publicly apologise to you for being so effin' arrogant. i made that post about a year ago, when i was scared, lost and new to this material. since then i've had time to digest all of this information (david's and yours). even though my reality is still very overwhelming, like yours (i imagine), and still feel a bit lost and nervous, my poisonous words were uncalled for. i appreciate you taking time to reply to my post christine - you were right about everything - thank you for your patience.

i'm truly sorry my brothers & sisters.

god bless you all,

george.

[Psion 3-K]

i experience what i think is 4d all the time, but the concept to me does not imply physically moving into another location. for me i get a really powerful sense of being that confirms everything i am now suspecting as true. as soon as the phase of mind regresses back to my normal, or neutral, state i cannot identify with anything i just felt. therefore i am left knowing that something is true but unable to experience it as consistent reality.

i believe the concept of 4d is really just a state of awareness, being, and perception. it is difficult to achieve on an individual basis however because the energetic nature of the earth is currently ill suited for it. for a true 4d shift in physical space to occur, ie people would have new abilities,a significant percentage of the population would need to shift together. one thing people must realize, however, is that two contradictory truths can exist in the same universe. this is extremely important because in order for everyone to get the experience they desire, they need to be able to set up entirely different rules that would probably run counter to the ones established by others.

i have a firm grasp on human energy in general and i hope the earth continues down a path of evolution. everyone will get what they desire, even if it seems incompatible with what others want. nothing else makes sense, at least to me... one other thing i should mention is that we are affected by others to a more siginificant degree than we may wish to realize. while everyone will get what they desire, all is still one.

thus if the majority of the people in the world put out negative, counter-creative vibes, it will be harder for the enlightened ones to work their own manifestations. that is, until they are able to create their own personal energy foundation which makes them immune to the negative vibes of others. i have been working at this specifically very seriously for a very long time now...

[conundrum]

thus if the majority of the people in the world put out negative, counter-creative vibes, it will be harder for the enlightened ones to work their own manifestations. that is, until they are able to create their own personal energy foundation which makes them immune to the negative vibes of others.

yes your immune system what you ingest whom and what you experience seem to have a lot in common.

[Psion 3-K]

yes your immune system what you ingest whom and what you experience seem to have a lot in common.

i believe people have an energetic immune system which is just as important as their physical one. i think it's theorized by some spiritualists that the physical immune system can only be compromised once the energetic one is. if you think about it, it makes sense... in order for one thing to occur, the most basic foundation for it to do so must be set. this foundation is constructed on an energetic level before a physical level, i believe.

mankind in general has a massive problem with this. i don't want to make blanket statements but i'm trying to correlate the fact that so many people are spiritually dead directly to the fact that they are also physically ill. i believe spiritual illness precedes physical illness, at least in many cases. i, for one, have never had the flu or any major illness in the past 5 or 6 years. i began my whole awakening process when i was 13, and it was brutal... but it was soooo worth it.

the worst i ever get is the occasional headache but normally it goes away quickly... even very advanced people probably get a few negative symptoms every once in awhile for a variety of reasons...