Enlightenment/ Interdependence/ Connectedness

[SpiralCycle]

the most pure level of consciousness has been claimed to be nirvana. anyone who has been this has been very benevolant and seem to naturally help the masses without any ego whatsoever. talking about ascention and helping others (loo) i am surprised that this topic hasn't come up in the discussions. i mean if someone did aim at this like people taking buddha-hood vows and achieved they would be very good at being in that pure higher density energy from within.

from what i have gathered on those enlightened they seem to be sixth densitiy entitys themselves without their actual external environments changing.

any thoughts on this? i hear a new earth and the power of now by eckhart tolle explain it quite well. ::rolleyes:

[linsybyster]

no thoughts but to relay someone else's, unfortunately.

i finished [please email linsy for the book name and author] at the beginning of the month and was quite fascinated. though he talks for the first part of the book about the inception of the internet being the birth of a global brain, with each of us neural cells and the connections synapses, he spends the latter portion explaining how we as a population can become a "super-organism" (the so-named "next evolutionary leap") and pegs this event on enlightenment, leading us in turn to live synergistically. the whole thing made me realize that i really do need to start meditating (something i've just "never gotten around to").
one thing i loved that he said was that as more people reach enlightenment, it will make it increasingly easier for others to follow suit, so the curve will be exponential, as with many - the population, for example.
good book. i recommend it.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/3005/eckhart_tolle___spiritual_enlightenment/

be well, be love.

david

eckhart tolle is widely recognized as one of the most original and inspiring spiritual teachers of our time. he travels and teaches throughout the world.

eckhart is not aligned with any particular religion or tradition, but excludes none. his profound yet simple and practical teachings have helped thousands of people find inner peace, healing and greater fulfillment in their lives. at the core of his teachings lies the transformation of individual and collective human consciousness - a global spiritual awakening.

eckhart tolle is the author of the power of now, a #1 new york times bestseller, which has been translated into 32 languages and become one of the most influential spiritual books of our time.

in his most recent book, a new earth, he shows how transcending our ego-based state of consciousness is not only essential to personal happiness, but also the key to ending conflict and suffering throughout the world.
the work of eckhart teachings is in response to the urgent need of our times: the transformation of consciousness and the arising of a more enlightened humanity. we organize eckhart tolle's talks, intensives and retreats throughout the world. we also record, license, publish and distribute cds and dvds of his teaching events. in addition to supporting eckhart tolle and the dissemination of his teaching, we are committed and dedicated to serving the new consciousness and awakening of all humans on the planet. behind the external form of what we do, and behind the business structure, lies the company's and our true purpose: the union with the divine.

[One 66]

lighteye,

another good post! i have a couple of his books. really good stuff.

one 66 :cool:

[Kris]

he is so cute. i love the way he snickers like he's letting us in on a secret.

he certainly makes a great case for living in the present moment.

[The Walking Tree]

i think he is a tibetan monk reincarnate, as his features are atypical for those of germanic/celtic descent.

great work...hugely inspirational and simple/profound.

[MarkM]

mr. tolle makes a very important point in regards to spiritual becoming..there is no 'becoming' in the spiritual sense, as we are already complete and perfect in this present moment.

with all our outer and inner seeking, as long as we strive to work towards a future enlightenment, striving to overcome the human ego, we negate access to the promise of the present moment - which is that only in the present moment may we find our inner connection to the divine, or our higher selves.

perhaps all of our seeking has this as a primary goal; to cease looking for what we have had all along, and to turn fully into the present moment, and to meditate and contemplate upon this moment with a thankful and loving awareness of the absolute wonder and splendour of ourselves, and what we have gathered as to our intuitive feelings about our oneness with all there is.

it would seem that to sensitize ourselves intently to what bubbles up from within ourselves in the now, to passively listen to our feelings and impressions as we maintain a quiet acknowledgement of the pervading love that unites us all, may hold the key to arriving, as opposed to becoming.

to hope for a future becoming is to maintain separation for the present time. indeed, the gateway to infinity lies in the now. to study and learn spiritual concepts and ideas using the mind and/or the ego as a tool is great, insofar as it leads you to the realization of the perfection and completeness you have now.

contacting your inner divine self is not about trying and practising for a future contact; it's about realizing you were never separated from it at all, ever. this connection is at the heart, not the mind - you cannot think your way into achieving this contact, although the ego may sense the fruits of such contact.

this contact manifests as an overwhelming feeling of love that engulfs you and fills you and inspires you to want, quite naturally, to share that love with others. you see others struggling with their earthly burdens, and you are full of a gripping, compassionate desire to have them feel what you have.

perhaps this is a key to understanding true service to others - it's something you feel you are deeply moved to do, rather than serving because you think it is expected of you.

as you begin to study the law of one and thus train the mind to comprehend the implications of this all-encompassing spiritual philosophy, you begin to uncover a native intuitive sense of the unconditional, permeating love that is the universe. here, the mind is a tool for setting up this contact; but the contact itself is not a contact of the intellect or the rational mind/ego.

as you grab onto these moments and allow the love to wash over you and through you, the strength of your connection increases, and you begin to realize that this simple, passive, totally easy thing is really you experiencing being connected spiritually to the greater divine reality, which is all that being a spiritual adept is about.

all the great spiritual teachers of the ages, and the great legions of lightworkers who come to aid us now wish for you to know only this

-mark

[mellisamouse]

i think it is neat how oprah is doing online classes with him based on his new book, "a new earth, awakening to your lifes purpose"(or something like that? ) soooo cool. yes, he does seem very sweet and happy. that is a big one for me....

the fruits of the spirit being, love, joy, peace....makes me very attracted to people with that inner happiness. :)

[SuperManny]

melissa, i agree, it's encouraging when someone as mainstream as oprah teams up with tolle. just think of how many more people are now aware of his work!

i found the classes to be quite good, and i even posted a link to them, but unfortunately the mods deemed it unworthy and deleted it. :(

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

as the enlightened being himself would say, the path to love and joy in the moment cannot be laid by another, we may merely serve as guide posts.

tolle rocks !!!!!:cool:

[AmelieJolie]

all life is interconnected. the highest force is love. love is unity. love is the knowing of that connectedness.

a man named cleve baxter showed that even on a cellular level, that life has an awareness of this.
http://www.primaryperception.com/bio/?page_id=7

this is the world of illusion, each individual possessing their own unique viewpoint. our life-time experiences, along with our genetic make-up, give form to each angle; the eyes from which we look out into the world. it is our own unique "programming". evil is no more than the fall into the illusion that we are separate. when we follow actions which cause others harm, we perpetuate the cycle of suffering. that is all. to desire true freedom, to desire to overcome the world of suffering, is to awaken.

vast and deep are the many illusions that the web of life has spun.
the human state, the human mind, is a fragile one. real-eyes this, and be gentle. a soul's awakening can be a disorientating, bewildering, sometimes terrifying and painful journey. try to lend support to others whenever you can, for it lightens the burden by relieving the illusion of isolation. true enlightenment comes not through independence but through interdependence. for how can anyone, anything be truly independent when we are all a part of the same whole? even physics shows that we are all connected. every part of nature's ecosystem is interlinked, creating a self-supporting biosystem. if just one part of that system is harmed, other parts will be effected- the same with the human vehicle of mind, body and spirit.

a human does not necessarily need to depend on other human beings, for often the journey to liberate one's mind can separate them from those around. however, a human being, like any other life-form, requires a sense of balance, and balance can only be achieved through the type of environment the individual is in, and life-style that they lead.

you are never truly alone, for life surrounds you, in nature, as well as in what you perceive in the space around you; other planes of existence within a vibration that this mind-body vehicle is not aware of.

however, we are caught within this dimension, giving us our perception of time and space, and in order to stay healthy in mind, body and spirit, we cannot be independent, or ignore our needs. perhaps we might be independent in a truer sense of the word, when we reach another state of being.....but that is not the nature of the reality we are in. so we need to take care of ourselves; and nurture our given requirements needed for a state of balance. most of the answers can be found within, and by tuning into the "higher self".

the journey to liberation, or enlightenment, is a personal one. it can only be taken from within. the wisdom you have gained only comes to you through your own experiences and own insights. you cannot teach it to others, for each journey is personal, however you can plant seeds of awakening whenever you feel inspired to do so. this approach is not only more effective, but is the more gentle and peaceful way.

there is truth in all things, each soul, even every part of creation, has something to teach. listen to the light within your own heart to lead the way.

[Niagra]

all life is interconnected. the highest force is love. love is unity. love is the knowing of that connectedness.

evil is no more than the fall into the illusion that we are separate. when we follow actions which cause others harm, we perpetuate the cycle of suffering. that is all. to desire true freedom, to desire to overcome the world of suffering, is to awaken.

i like the way you spoke about evil here.



a human does not necessarily need to depend on other human beings, for often the journey to liberate one's mind can separate them from those around. however, a human being, like any other life-form, requires a sense of balance, and balance can only be achieved through the type of environment the individual is in, and life-style that they lead.

this however i do have a problem with though because it is a well known fact that humans can not and do not survive without the love of another human, for any extended time. we humans literally need each other to survive. if a baby is born and the nuturing love of the mother/surrogate is withdrawn from it , the baby will die. that love can be from another but it must be through the human touch. as far as balance is concerned, i think it would be very easy to prove that many on this planet live without balance and to the nth degree, but still survive. granted not happily, but survive they do. if by balance you mean to feel the love/compassion of another at those independent parts of life where we are on the journey, i agree. for that is the single most important human need. when we give love to another and feel love by doing so, is especially significant.


the journey to liberation, or enlightenment, is a personal one. it can only be taken from within. the wisdom you have gained only comes to you through your own experiences and own insights. you cannot teach it to others, for each journey is personal, however you can plant seeds of awakening whenever you feel inspired to do so. this approach is not only more effective, but is the more gentle and peaceful way.

i must also disagree in part with this statement. i think ra was clear that no one that is not seeking to learn or be enlightened will gain from this teaching. clearly not that it could not be taught. in fact, ra has indeed taught me many things and therefore - you can teach and others can learn from it . the key is they must be ready and listening. i agree very much that our own experiences and insights are the catalyst by which the lessons being taught can be learned though. what i especially liked about what ra says on this subject is the fact that if the material is learned by just one of us , it is to have taught us all. social memory complex is of course why this is significant.

hope you don't mind my injection here and if i need to provide some back up of ra material please advise. probably would be a good habit for me to get into i guess. thanks.

[Ali Quadir]

my small contribution:
is the point of view something we possess? or is it what we are?

[AmelieJolie]

thanks for the feedback, niagra. i always love having deep discussions with people, and learning new ways of looking at things. :)

ali quadir, good question. :)

[Truth180]

this is interesting!


cleve baxter - plants can sense human intentions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntv4zmvuswi

[Evo]

all life is interconnected. the highest force is love. love is unity. love is the knowing of that connectedness.


splendid offering thank you very much for writing it.

the first line gave me intense energy through out my body - i love it when that happens. ;-) it is so true, so true.

this post is a bit synchronistic for me as well. i am at the point where i feel like isolating is important at least for a short while and i still feel it is but it is good to hear what that it is important to connect with other-selves. i plan on camping out by myself in a very secluded area for a minimum of a few days and really go inward.

love and light
evo

[FooSnik]

i like how eloquently you wrote that. like poetry. and to add to your flow i will continue with your song:

living in the 3d world is like living under pressure. and what happens to a material rock when it is under pressure for a long time? it turns into a diamond. we could not have chosen a more intense time to be living on the 3d earth and all of us will walk out of here beautiful gems, full of wisdom and understanding.

the stress of this land creates fractures in our facade. and instead of letting the pressure break you to pieces you fill those cracks full of pearls or diamonds of wisdom and understanding. and the hard rock that is the diamond will make your foundation stronger than it was before.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/foosnik/glowingangel1.gif

btw, you made me want to listen to dead can dance. lol

[StarPlanetchild]

i have read a lot over the years, and i know somehow ( a feeling) that we are not alone in this multiverse. but still i dont have any spiritual awakening, how do we activate ourselfs?
is there only the way of meditation?
we are manupilated beings (created by the annunaki) on the edge of ascending, but how do you no it is starting?

there is much knowledge, but little experiencing :rolleyes:

[piermarie]

from my experience i found that the ego/mind can not be a easily calmed and transformed without the help from the inner divine self. our true self is the divine(god) self and is always connected to god. it is just we are veiled as a human and cannot remember our real self. the mind obstructs the knowing of it, so we need the help of the spirit to open the veil to see the inner self and then have inner self realization.
the light sound meditation is what has helped me see the inner self.

the enlighened beings have no more ego. theie mind is clear and nothing obstructs them from the all that is. they are usually from a very high level plane and come in our world to be masters or teachers. they always teach meditation, unconditional love for all.
and that the divine is inside us all.