A Bureaucratic Universe?

[Nancy]

i'm revisiting the law of one. it will be my second attempt. what threw me the first time and is disturbing me again is the corporate-like hierarchy of the management. committees, policies, authorities. (oh, my!)

i just retired from 30 years with a large corporation and am somewhat disappointed that the same structures are repeated "universally".

is anyone else disturbed by this? any thoughts?
nancy in oregon

[MarkM]

just a quick thought in reply - i'm reminded of the scientific research compiled by david wilcock in his online book trilogy which details how the same 'sacred' geometry which governs the formation and organization of photons, atomic wave functions, electron clouds, microclusters, and quasi-crystals, also is seen to govern all energetic/matter phenomena right up and into the macrocosmic levels of planetary, star system, galactic and galactic cluster manifestation.

here, various harmonic interplay of the same five platonic geometric formations or vibratory functions are responsible for all manifestation from the smallest to the largest, with the mathematical relationships between these interplaying geometries unchanging with orders of magnitude. i personally found that the study and contemplation of dw's work served to help bring the overall message of the ra material to life for me, as i believe wilcock is the first human in modern times to present a working and complete unified model of the cosmos.

we live in a highly organized and hierarchical universe of unfathomable complexity, yet all wheeling and interplaying in an unbroken chain of perfect balance and geometry.

i work in a large company which features a hierarchy of power, personality cult, political intrigue and influence peddling. the hierarchy exists, yet it is certainly not always harmonious or in balance, and features a great deal of service to self mixed in with the lot. this represents to me a primitive and distorted edifice, although not without it's virtues.

yet as i find it hard to imagine a 3d human hierarchy of perfect balance and harmony, i also find it hard to imagine similar distortion in the way that photons navigate energetic platonic wave formations, how atoms and molecules are really manifestations of geometric wave functions, and how the entire universe is ultimately formed by the hierarchical and increasingly complex interplay of geometric wave functions.

the relationship between everything as one harmonic and interconnected mandala of vibration is such that if the tiniest part becomes out of balance, the rest of the universe conspires to repair that imbalance. in this the universe is always ultimately successful in the long run. while we have imbalance on earth, there is the implicit and overriding balance and harmony of the universe at large which gently guides and leads us to find a greater footfall within balance. all will eventually come to attain added harmonic relationship to the all - thus finding new avenues to experience and express greater things, as individual lifeforms expand to encompass more of the universe in their being.

one may have had somewhat bitter experiences with human top-down hierarchies, but the concert violinist must first endure the infernal caterwauling of his first months of practice!;) mark

[KassandraLoves]

well said markm!

i just want to add that in our real bodies, we are not subject to the line of thinking we are here. so something we may think of as awful right now cannot be compared to that same thing on a different plane of existence. it is simply not the same and not even viewed the same. just as the speed of light here is different than the speed of light in 4d.

i work in a corporate environment myself as a finance manager, and am very familiar with the woes of this system. i dont much like it because the "higher ups" love to disrespect the lowers and treat them unequally. however, in the next density or in my soul body, i wont be attatching my usual stigmas to the heirarchy system. in an environment that is 100 times more harmonious that the current one, i might actually like it!

none of us are less/more important than others and i think thats the beauty of the 4d and above system in question. the beings in it do not think they are more/less important than anyone else!!! and ultimately, thats the downfall of our earthly/3d heriarchies, wouldnt you agree? the system, no matter who you are or where you are on the "ladder", views everyone as an equally beautiful stroke in an enourmous painting of life. and i love that! dont you wish we could have that sense of respect and equality in 3d? maybe thats why i havent read about any 3d beings on these "commitees?"

love and light!!!

[Nancy]

thank you mark and kassandra.
i appreciate the your explanations. i have much to learn. since i have little science background, i tend to orient my thinking around human experience, and inter-personal relationships.

i thought it was a human frailty to group, section, separate, segregate, dominate, factionalize, and define self and others. mistakenly i thought the "universe" had a one-ness so prevalent, so obvious, that in "heaven" i would experience true unity.

now i'm learning that there are 8 dimensions each with positive and negative aspects. fourth dimension beings posing as third dimension beings just for the experience. whole planets being readied for ascension (that's "up" in the hierarchy). parts of earth's beings are to be "held-back" from ascension seemingly like third graders who didn't learn their spelling words.

my feelings of wholeness, balance, justice, service, and affinity is being sliced and diced. well, i suppose i had to wake up from my dream eventually. life is easier explained without knowledge.

i'll keep reading. there's something that is attractive to me in all this.
nancy in oregon

[MarkM]

nancy, there is infinite patience with the unfolding of growth. unlike the exhortations of some fear based schools of thought, to each evolving soul there is held the promise of potentially an eternity of time in which to take one's lessons, so to speak.

in reality, if i may offer my humble opinion, every soul is immortal, already - and in the overall scheme, need be in no pressing rush to make the grade, and can indeed dwell if they wish in the present moment, as issues of future becoming are of an ultimately transient nature. every part is indispensible, as each holds holographically the all. no part can perish, not barring any experience of pain. every soul is assured of continued becoming and eternally growing joy.

this doesn't mean that there isn't a subtle upcalling, as you are likely aware, it just means that we can all eschew any fear in the ultimate sense. the creator revels in our experiencing, whatever the perceived level of evolution. the creator finds it's purpose in experience - of which we are the agents.

i love to seek and find, though, and this process will never end. mark:d:d

[KassandraLoves]

we are all here learning/teaching with eachother always. and no one is determining our grades except us.

its nice to know that i decide when i move on and what i do. im glad i can take my sweet, calculated time and learn as much as possible, and not go anywhere until im darn ready to! :d

you know, we do get to see a bit of our higher self in our everyday lives here, too. ever noticed how learning is just an absolutely insatiable hunger for mankind? i dont care what form its in (and theres way too many forms of learning to count!), people are always hungry for knowledge. and thats the "creator" in us, here to experience and sop up as much data as we can get our fingers on! its lovely that we can see that on a daily basis.

ive said it before, and ill say it again, we really do have a great gig here guys! its like college with the most loving, caring, and helpful professor that always lets you learn on your own time, lets you take as many tries as you need, and grades you how you want to be graded...and that professor is.....you!

[PriestOfLight]

i wouldn't worry about the bureaucratic universe. there is a form of business that is very spiritual and character based in nature. many have taken the courses, i believe, and it is a very enlightening business models which i hope it continues to evolve with time. i believe companies such as google use this currently.

it was created by steven covey. if you wish to know more, you can email me.

in light and love

paul

[Chris Hamilton]

just an fyi for our members: this thread being in the law of one thread, should be discussing nancy's statement that the loo books created heirarchies in the universe. it is not designed to discuss our 3d heirarchies:), which are better discussed in general discussions. thanks.

[efields]

i'm revisiting the law of one. it will be my second attempt. what threw me the first time and is disturbing me again is the corporate-like hierarchy of the management. committees, policies, authorities. (oh, my!)

i just retired from 30 years with a large corporation and am somewhat disappointed that the same structures are repeated "universally".

is anyone else disturbed by this? any thoughts?
nancy in oregon
well how about, as above, so below. in something as complex as the energy of creation how could it be anything but? with sentient life abounding in all its forms, with all the free will of all that life and progression of love making its way back to the source, i would see it as vastly more complicated than the law of one has shown. indeed i think the law of one has been down stepped several hundred thousand times to be available to the limited consciousness of third density awareness. i would think the complete text would fill a library, and had been condensed to 'cliff notes' that we may grok the enormity of the web of existence. so tiny are we. :-)

[Nancy]

you may well be right in saying that that the earth is just a reflection of the universe, but isn't it a human (3d?) characteristic to name and differentiate things effectively creating imaginary divisions?

in the process of describing we must use words, each word with an aspect and reference of it's own. perhaps, in a dimension (4th?) without verbal language "all" or "one" is very simple.

then again, perhaps i'm a wishful thinker.:)

nancy in oregon

[efields]

you may well be right in saying that that the earth is just a reflection of the universe, but isn't it a human (3d?) characteristic to name and differentiate things effectively creating imaginary divisions?

in the process of describing we must use words, each word with an aspect and reference of it's own. perhaps, in a dimension (4th?) without verbal language "all" or "one" is very simple.

then again, perhaps i'm a wishful thinker.:)

nancy in oregon

i think we know very little of what the facility of the imagination really is. i think we understand next to nothing as to the powers we hold in our minds and the ramifications of our unchecked thoughts. i think perhaps we have not yet entered nursery school when it comes to our understanding of life/universe etc. we are as yet, cro magnons, compared to many of our space brothers. like us trying to talk to a gerbil or ant. such could be the chasm between us and them. some of them may hold us in a regard as we hold an ant or other insect. whats the first thing we do when we see an insect in our domicile?

[mwr1026]

my personal experience with 3d corporate and governmental bureaucracy is that it is a mix of sto and sts, with a heavy dose of sts and mostly lip service to sto. if the bureaucracy that manages the universe is at or above 6d, it should be very different from what most of us have experienced. there is no sts above 5d, so a 6d bureaucracy would be something that i find difficult to envision based on the aforementioned experience.

it seems to me that the only real reason for a 6d bureaucracy would be to keep 5d and lower beings from doing themselves too much harm. i would expect that if the entire cosmos were at or above 6d (not possible, i know) a utopian anarchy would work perfectly. it seems to me that sts is the primary problem that ruins utopian anarchy, and that makes bureaucracy necessary.

[Magical_Mongoose]

hmm...sts hierarchies both within 3d, 4d, 5d closely matches the terms of bureacracy and elitism.
although you could potentially call sto "hierachies" (which would be more likened to a circle that reinforces itself, opposed to the pyramid structure of sts) as bureaucratic, a better term would be a "co-op" or "egalitarian community". there'll always be varying degrees of spiritual evolution, and those who have more experience either aid the less experienced souls or focus entirely on themselves. either way, order is formed just as patterns take shape among the grains of sand on a beach.
our minds perceive these patterns because they exist...we're just pattern generators/receivers/transmitters ;) so the old saying goes that because our minds are naturally structured to perceive order and patterns, and because our minds are made up of the universe, the universe must be ordered and patterned.
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