Elders-

[litllady]

when i read about the different soul groups and their purpose, i feel the 'elders' resonates with me the most.

15.14 questioner: i don’t mean to ask the same question twice, but there are some areas that i consider so important that possibly a greater understanding may be obtained if the answer is restated a number of times in other words. i thank you for your patience. yesterday, you also mentioned that when there was no harvest at the end of the last 25,000 year period, “there were harvestable entities who shall choose the manner of their entrance into the fourth density.” could you tell me what you mean by “they shall choose the manner of their entry into the fourth density”?

ra: i am ra. these shepherds, or, as some have called them, the “elder race,” shall choose the time/space of their leaving. they are unlikely to leave until their other-selves are harvestable also.

15.15 questioner: what do you mean by their “other-selves” being harvestable?

ra: i am ra. the other-selves with whom these beings are concerned are those which did not attain harvest during the second major cycle.

-some say its sad that some want to stay behind to help the ones that dont make it. i find this actually the most selfless act that can be done. some think that this is a 'attachment to the earth'....i think its an attachment of my other selves. if i am anything, i would say im an elder.-just personal thoughts.

peace to all,
lynette

[KassandraLoves]

i believe that "elders" and "wanderers" are so similar almost that there is no distinction other than the being/not being from earth.

if you read carla rueckert's material, she states that the 2 are one in the same when it comes to "duties" here on this planet.

both have been to a higher density or have the ability of higher density, but due to their pending lessons/needs for service-to-others, they chose to incarnate in a lower density to be of service to those who will experience the harvest and also to greatly exand their knowledge/experiences simultaneously.

i haven't heard anyone say that its a "sad" thing or that it is whats making you "stuck to material-earth" or anything of the like. but i would also agree with you if i did.

chosing to help here doesnt mean there is an "attatchment." it just means you wanted to be of service to others. also, when we are planning an incarnation, we are in our indigo bodies, which do not have the issues of co-dependency or irrational emotion like we do in this form. we think/feel differently. i'd even say smarter, more intelligently.

anyhow, in chosing an incarnation, i'm sure we arent being unhealthy in our reasoning to come to earth. its not a sad attatchment. we are simply being of service to others and to the creator by being here to experience.

love to all!!

[litllady]

ty for your response....i posted this idea a few months pack, and someone did tell me they thought this was sad because they felt it was a form of attachment that people have trouble letting go of 'earth'. but being that i have no problem with staying, it doesnt bother me if i go or stay.

ive always wonder why i felt a feeling to be here a part of this forum and this research, if i dont feel that im a wander. but coming to understand that some stay, helps me realize why i dont feel the need to ascend and others do.

so coming full circle once again, and feeling more stable in things that my intuition resonates with...im ok with whatever happens. its like the old saying...leaving it in gods hands (well i guess that is my own hands, so that is why i ok to just let it be what it may). i feel no need to 'know' im going to make the ascension into 4d. it sounds great! but ive always been ok, every since i started posting here, that ascension to 4d might not be for me. or mabey ive already been....its 2am, rambling and not making sense is something i seem to be good at :)

my best,
lynette

[dctalk]

thanks for this conversation.

it really helps.

i was feeling frustrated about being "earth bound" and have been praying for ascension, but not at all interested in ascending alone. i want to have my loved ones and humanity make it too.

now i know why.

thanks.

[btsumm]

thank you for posting this wonderful thread...i would add to the discussion, but that would be redundant :cool:

peace, love, and unity...
brian

[KassandraLoves]

thanks for giving the opportunity for us to share.

i truly believe that we feel so strongly in our service to others that the feeling can get confused with other things like maybe considering it a "sad attachment" or feeling like your hopelessly trying to "save" those you really care about. in truth, we care so deeply for everyone here, that we dont want a single one to be "left behind." but the fact of the matter is that no one can be. we are not seperate. we all will be together. everyones got to do this in their own time frame, though. so fret not! rejoice for they are experiencing that which is divine just as you are.

even if someone i deeply and truly care about goes to another planet to continue to epxerience 3d, its ok! i know i will get to see them again and i rejoice in the fact they they are as eternal and as full of love as i am. :) i feel the same way when people pass away. they arent gone! its almost like they are going off to college you know? away for a while to learn more, but not gone for good. the same goes for spiritual growth. we are all at college here. some will graduate, some will have to transfer to finish their studies, but nonetheless, we will all be together again! to throw our hats in the air in celebration of life and creative unity!!! and it feels so incredibly good to know that, doesn't it?

i must say, we do have an amazing gig here. ;) i dont know how we all got so lucky to have what we have and to each be a sparkling part of such a big picture, such a grand work of art! i am thankful everyday for this beautiful masterpiece we have all collectively created together!

i hope we can all continue to share our love and light with eachother. for even as we have not met in the traditional physical fashion, i assure you that we have all met spiritually, agreeing to come here in many forms, and happily shining like lighthouses on the shores during one hell of a storm. never shall we waver. never shall our lights snuff out in the night...

love to all of you!

[Berry Chastain]

dear kassandra
if i understand ra correctly, our highest selves, that part of our being which is often called our guide, are 6th density future (as far as we are concerned) manifestations of who we shall be. each of us, in time/space exist in what ever density we are currently in as well as in the 6th density. i will quote a portion of session 37 where ra speaks of this.

questioner: in that case, i’ll go ahead with the questions. we have here (continuing the last session): you said that each third-density entity has an higher self in the sixth-density which is moving to the mind/body/spirit complex of the entity as needed. does this higher self also evolve in growth through the densities beginning with the first-density, and does each higher self have a corresponding higher self advanced in densities beyond it?

ra: i am ra. to simplify this concept is our intent. the higher self is a manifestation given to the late sixth-density mind/body/spirit complex as a gift from its future selfness. the mid-seventh density’s last action before turning towards the allness of the creator and gaining spiritual mass is to give this resource to the sixth-density self, moving as you measure time in the stream of time.

this self, the mind/body/spirit complex of late sixth density, has then the honor/duty of using both the experiences of its total living bank or memory of experienced thoughts and actions, and using the resource of the mind/body/spirit complex totality left behind as a type of infinitely complex thought-form.

in this way you may see your self, your higher self or oversoul, and your mind/body/spirit complex totality as three points in a circle. the only distinction is that of your time/space continuum. all are the same being.


with this in mind, i would think and indeed believe that we (i) and all of our otherselves are together in unity in the 6th density, since that is the density of this octive which is unity. so in fact, there is never any separation from family, friends, lovers and all that is. selah!

in the love and light of our one infinite creator,
berry

[KassandraLoves]

thank you for elaborating on what i was trying to word.... :d

[btsumm]

i have to agree with the 6th density discussion here. i've notice an increasing stronger connection to individuals i've established a dialog with here.

[litllady]

i must say, we do have an amazing gig here. ;) i dont know how we all got so lucky to have what we have and to each be a sparkling part of such a big picture, such a grand work of art! i am thankful everyday for this beautiful masterpiece we have all collectively created together!

i hope we can all continue to share our love and light with each other. for even as we have not met in the traditional physical fashion, i assure you that we have all met spiritually, agreeing to come here in many forms, and happily shining like lighthouses on the shores during one hell of a storm. never shall we waver. never shall our lights snuff out in the night...

love to all of you!

beautifully said kassandra, i am thankful to be able to share myself to others and having others humbly share themselves with me. it has helped me grow and shine brighter. i feel that the connection here with many people in becoming stronger, i feel a vibe that is gaining pure energy of love from everyone here coming together and sharing ourselves as one.

its in the air....love, at least around here.

peace to all,
lynette

just because nothing really matters because this is all an illusion and good and bad both have value....does not mean we shouldnt live in the ways that we see the 'most value' for the world and our other selves. we should never loose hope that we cant shine to someone...always show others they are loved, even if its just with a honest smile.