remote viewing and channels

[Mawk]

hi tiffini,

you asked, "how would remote viewers verify channels???" the short answer is
they don't. what they might attempt to do is verify the information, in part
or in full, implied by the channel. science is the same, using the concept
of a "hypothesis". simply put you get data to support a statement. the
hypothesis holds until the data conflicts with it. remote viewing is not
stand alone. it is strengthened by physical validation. even the best
military remote viewers are said to only have an accuracy of less than 70%.
i am not sure if anyone has used a scientific approach to measuring channels
for their accuracy. often the information is unverifiable, at least in the
shot term.

i like reading some of the channeled information, not because i believe it,
but because it gives me some great ideas on what might be worth exploring
myself. this has proved fruitful for me. personally i would rather compare
notes with someone rather than accept their opinions and beliefs. when it is
all said and done it is only through shared experience that metaphysical
information is strengthened. take the statement that ra said "cigar shaped
ufo's are negative". first you have to accept that ufo's exist. clearly you
loose a lot of people here. next you have to define negative. once again you
can take ra's definition. it seems to me though that there are big problems
on getting the idea of this across, judging by the number of times this
negative (sts) and positive (sto) is raised here. the final question then
remains whether ra's statement still holds true for today. if you have been
following sheldon niddle you would know that he suggests that many of the
traditional dark forces have moved over to the light. lost yet:-)

as i keep saying learn the skills to do it for yourself. just entertain your
potential and trust in your innate positive nature.

cheers,

mawk

[Sunny One]

mawk,

i have been thinking that this is a metrology problem,
that may be improved by repetition and averaging.
or, does the viewer become biased doing the same
old thing?

pat

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[Mawk]

hi pat,

you pontificated:

(pat)i have been thinking that this is a metrology problem,
that may be improved by repetition and averaging.

(mawk) ah, pat you are wicked and i must say i love that. are you sure your
not talking about science, which as ingo swann so cleverly states, "requires
the repeatable experiment". by default a unique event can not exist in
sciences' eyes:-)


(pat)or, does the viewer become biased doing the same old thing?

(mawk) nope. even the same target can feel different. you can do five
sessions on the same target and still squeeze out new detail. the great
thing about rv is that it teaches you how your subconscious mind paints a
picture. you are never trying to say what the target is you only aim to
describe it. unlike channeling you can work on targets that are verifiable
as you build your skills. channeling in my opinion generally allows the
conscious mind to much latitude to corrupt the unconscious minds data.

one of the classic doom prophecies is something being wiped out by a tidal
wave. i get these in my dreams too. i do not take them literally now, as i
have noticed that for me, they indicate some kind of emotional upheaval. for
someone else they might have an entirely different meaning. that is why i
have advocated before that keeping a dream journal is so important. it
teaches you the language of your unconscious mind. i also think there are
universal symbols as well but that is another topic.

cheers,

mawk

[Sunny One]

thanks mawk,

i'm curious to learn if "telekenisis" is the
means by which srv works.

you mentioned dreams. i don't dream much,
but 2 nights ago, a very unusual one. it seemed
i was immersed in some sort of 20hz resonant field
then i started resonating with it. then an image
of a sphere with protrusions, sandstone color.
this reminded me of seti 3-30(center) in 3-d.

this event reminded me of another strange dream event.
it happened on the night of "sun pyramid" dedication
to alan turing. i was talking on the bed when all
the sudden everyone scrammed and i felt pressed back
and fell into a dreamstate. there was this inquiry
regarding wesley bateman, i felt like my faith in him
was being tested, it was tennuous. finally a break
through occured, like a yes, then what seemed a high
frequency 2d binary pattern flashed. then it was
like i was awake and everythings back to normal. i
had a feeling of victory after this experience. it
was like a 5 minute cat nap, very out of the ordinary.
(that was a horrid week, i was a wreck.)

these are the weirdest dreams and i cannot figure
them out for the life of me. i don't write them down
because i have so few of them, i just remember them.

pat

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[Mawk]

hi pat,

(pat)i'm curious to learn if "telekenisis" is the
means by which srv works.

(mawk)not sure anyone has worked this out. if they have they are not
advertising it. from my own personal experience i would say we are all like
a radio/cassette player. radio being the signal we can tune into. cassette
being the noise or five primary senses that swamp the signal. intuition i
think in some cases is the signal. remote viewing generally for me does not
even take a very deep trance state. the deeper the trance state the more the
session becomes like a lucid dream or obe event. i guess what i am saying
here is that there are degrees of consciousness and the more you tune into
the target the less you are aware of your physical surroundings. having said
that others may find this different. i don't know as i have not really
explored these issues with other rv'ers. i would be intrigued to hear what
others think of this. i can't tell you about telekinesis as i have no
experience with it, except in a recent dream:-)

(pat)you mentioned dreams. i don't dream much,
but 2 nights ago, a very unusual one.

(mawk)i only started dreaming again a couple of years ago. for 30 years i
could not recall one dream. prior to the age of 7 i used to have obe and et
dreams all the time. i was born in australia but from the age of 3 to 6 i
lived in scotland. i caused huge problems for my mother because i told all
the other kids in school that i flew back to australia every night. the
teacher at the school could not convince my classmates otherwise. in
desperation the teacher got my mother to come to the school to explain that
it was physically impossible for me, but rather what i would like to do. the
et dreams were in fact intense nightmares. i think this is what stopped me
dreaming. i think the fear just blocked the unconscious signal right out. at
the time my parents figured that it was my infatuation with dr who. the
problem was the et's i was seeing were not the ones on dr who. the cybermen
did scare the s.h.i.trading out of me though. it was not till i saw the
first picture of the greys in the 80's that the penny dropped and i realised
that more than just an active child's imagination was at play.

(pat)it seemed i was immersed in some sort of 20hz resonant field
then i started resonating with it. then an image
of a sphere with protrusions, sandstone color.
this reminded me of seti 3-30(center) in 3-d.

(mawk) i am assuming the resonant field is the same thing as the buzzing i
get. a bit like pins and needles sensation. i can invoke this to some extent
now. i started getting it when waking from dreams after practicing new. i am
sure this is a result of using robert bruce's new energy ways technique. i
get this really strong several times a month now. i can wake and it will
last for several minutes. in meditation now it also occurs. as for as i can
tell it is a sign of active chakras. i love the sensation now and do not
fear it. i have also got over my et fears and i think this has lead to my
progress in the dream department. if you want i can send you an abridged
version of new or give you the link to robert's detailed notes. costs
nothing.

(pat)this event reminded me of another strange dream event.
it happened on the night of "sun pyramid" dedication
to alan turing. i was talking on the bed when all
the sudden everyone scrammed and i felt pressed back
and fell into a dreamstate. there was this inquiry
regarding wesley bateman, i felt like my faith in him
was being tested, it was tennuous. finally a break
through occured, like a yes, then what seemed a high
frequency 2d binary pattern flashed. then it was
like i was awake and everythings back to normal. i
had a feeling of victory after this experience. it
was like a 5 minute cat nap, very out of the ordinary.
(that was a horrid week, i was a wreck.)

(mawk)seems like you could have been exhausted but still alert. in many ways
that is an ideal meditation state. the paralyzed state is something else i
get upon waking. i remember someone suggesting that this is when your spirit
is still out of the physical body. i can not confirm this but i would say it
ties in with my experience because this is also associated with the buzzing
sensation which i think indicates active chakras. another weird thing that
happened on the first dream i recalled in 30 years was that i thought i was
woken by the phone at 2a.m. several other people in the house did not hear a
thing. to this day i still do not know if the phone call was real or not. i
did remember the dream vividly though and so began the odyssey. another
funny synchronicity was that the first post i ever put on the internet
concerned this phone dream. i was responding to someone else having a
similar experience on robert bruce's forum. that person ended up being a
huge help for my exploration of rv as she had been taught by one of the
military guys. really makes you think who is running the show doesn't it!!!

(pat)these are the weirdest dreams and i cannot figure
them out for the life of me. i don't write them down
because i have so few of them, i just remember them.

(mawk) as i have mentioned before, for me, having a meditation practice has
increased the dream recall from nothing to several powerful dreams every
month. in addition, most nights i get bits and pieces but they are to
sketchy to bother recording. put the pad and pen next to your bed you will
be surprised how much difference that makes:-)

cheers,

mawk

[Clark stewart]

mawk,

i can concure that your discription of rv and depthness is accurate.
meaning that the further in trance you go, the more your focus is detoured
onto the target in question.

i would like to know , from those who are following this, any input
concerning psychic attacks.
you will see why in my next post.
(if sharing isn't obvious enough...smiles)

peacebe withyall,
clark



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[Tiffani Boswell]

(mawk) i am assuming the resonant field is the same thing as the buzzing i
get. a bit like pins and needles sensation. i can invoke this to some extent
now.

hmmm
i was thinking about this and it reminded me of (now i sound like pat :) of
moments between people...you had mentioned active chakras...and most people
here of "electric" connections...any theories on what is actually going on
when you get the pins and needles sensation when talking to someone or
sitting near someone?

tiffani
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> hi pat,
>
> (pat)i'm curious to learn if "telekenisis" is the
> means by which srv works.
>
> (mawk)not sure anyone has worked this out. if they have they are not
> advertising it. from my own personal experience i would say we are all
like
> a radio/cassette player. radio being the signal we can tune into. cassette
> being the noise or five primary senses that swamp the signal. intuition i
> think in some cases is the signal. remote viewing generally for me does
not
> even take a very deep trance state. the deeper the trance state the more
the
> session becomes like a lucid dream or obe event. i guess what i am saying
> here is that there are degrees of consciousness and the more you tune into
> the target the less you are aware of your physical surroundings. having
said
> that others may find this different. i don't know as i have not really
> explored these issues with other rv'ers. i would be intrigued to hear what
> others think of this. i can't tell you about telekinesis as i have no
> experience with it, except in a recent dream:-)
>
> (pat)you mentioned dreams. i don't dream much,
> but 2 nights ago, a very unusual one.
>
> (mawk)i only started dreaming again a couple of years ago. for 30 years i
> could not recall one dream. prior to the age of 7 i used to have obe and
et
> dreams all the time. i was born in australia but from the age of 3 to 6 i
> lived in scotland. i caused huge problems for my mother because i told all
> the other kids in school that i flew back to australia every night. the
> teacher at the school could not convince my classmates otherwise. in
> desperation the teacher got my mother to come to the school to explain
that
> it was physically impossible for me, but rather what i would like to do.
the
> et dreams were in fact intense nightmares. i think this is what stopped me
> dreaming. i think the fear just blocked the unconscious signal right out.
at
> the time my parents figured that it was my infatuation with dr who. the
> problem was the et's i was seeing were not the ones on dr who. the
cybermen
> did scare the s.h.i.trading out of me though. it was not till i saw the
> first picture of the greys in the 80's that the penny dropped and i
realised
> that more than just an active child's imagination was at play.
>
> (pat)it seemed i was immersed in some sort of 20hz resonant field
> then i started resonating with it. then an image
> of a sphere with protrusions, sandstone color.
> this reminded me of seti 3-30(center) in 3-d.
>
> (mawk) i am assuming the resonant field is the same thing as the buzzing i
> get. a bit like pins and needles sensation. i can invoke this to some
extent
> now. i started getting it when waking from dreams after practicing new. i
am
> sure this is a result of using robert bruce's new energy ways technique. i
> get this really strong several times a month now. i can wake and it will
> last for several minutes. in meditation now it also occurs. as for as i
can
> tell it is a sign of active chakras. i love the sensation now and do not
> fear it. i have also got over my et fears and i think this has lead to my
> progress in the dream department. if you want i can send you an abridged
> version of new or give you the link to robert's detailed notes. costs
> nothing.
>
> (pat)this event reminded me of another strange dream event.
> it happened on the night of "sun pyramid" dedication
> to alan turing. i was talking on the bed when all
> the sudden everyone scrammed and i felt pressed back
> and fell into a dreamstate. there was this inquiry
> regarding wesley bateman, i felt like my faith in him
> was being tested, it was tennuous. finally a break
> through occured, like a yes, then what seemed a high
> frequency 2d binary pattern flashed. then it was
> like i was awake and everythings back to normal. i
> had a feeling of victory after this experience. it
> was like a 5 minute cat nap, very out of the ordinary.
> (that was a horrid week, i was a wreck.)
>
> (mawk)seems like you could have been exhausted but still alert. in many
ways
> that is an ideal meditation state. the paralyzed state is something else i
> get upon waking. i remember someone suggesting that this is when your
spirit
> is still out of the physical body. i can not confirm this but i would say
it
> ties in with my experience because this is also associated with the
buzzing
> sensation which i think indicates active chakras. another weird thing that
> happened on the first dream i recalled in 30 years was that i thought i
was
> woken by the phone at 2a.m. several other people in the house did not hear
a
> thing. to this day i still do not know if the phone call was real or not.
i
> did remember the dream vividly though and so began the odyssey. another
> funny synchronicity was that the first post i ever put on the internet
> concerned this phone dream. i was responding to someone else having a
> similar experience on robert bruce's forum. that person ended up being a
> huge help for my exploration of rv as she had been taught by one of the
> military guys. really makes you think who is running the show doesn't
it!!!
>
> (pat)these are the weirdest dreams and i cannot figure
> them out for the life of me. i don't write them down
> because i have so few of them, i just remember them.
>
> (mawk) as i have mentioned before, for me, having a meditation practice
has
> increased the dream recall from nothing to several powerful dreams every
> month. in addition, most nights i get bits and pieces but they are to
> sketchy to bother recording. put the pad and pen next to your bed you will
> be surprised how much difference that makes:-)
>
> cheers,
>
> mawk
>
>
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