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Tenet Nosce
08-27-2008, 02:28 AM
law of one makes a few references to the mission and purpose of a wanderer.

12.28
the challenge/danger of the wanderer is that it will forget its mission, become karmically involved, and thus be swept into the maelstrom of which it had incarnated to avert the destruction.

13.23
the energies of your wanderers, your teachers, and your adepts at this time are all bent upon increasing the harvest.

36.17
the wanderer has the potential of greatly accelerating the density whence it comes in its progress in evolution. this is due to the intensive life experiences and opportunities of the third-density. thusly the positively oriented wanderer chooses to hazard the danger of the forgetting in order to be of service to others by radiating love of others. if the forgetting is penetrated the amount of catalyst in third-density will polarize the wanderer with much greater efficiency than shall be expected in the higher and more harmonious densities.

52.9
the overriding reason for the offering of these brothers and sisters of sorrow in incarnative states is the possibility of aiding other-selves by the lightening of the planetary consciousness distortions and the probability of offering catalyst to other-selves which will increase the harvest.

there are two other reasons for choosing this service which have to do with the self.

the wanderer, if it remembers and dedicates itself to service, will polarize much more rapidly than is possible in the far more etiolated realms of higher density catalyst.

the final reason is within the mind/body/spirit totality or the social memory complex totality which may judge that an entity or members of a societal entity can make use of third-density catalyst to recapitulate a learning/teaching which is adjudged to be less than perfect. this especially applies to those entering into and proceeding through sixth-density wherein the balance between compassion and wisdom is perfected.

63.16
however, the wanderers who have come here are older and have a greater ability to affect the polarization. they must do their affecting as a function of their ability to penetrate the forgetting process in order to be within the first distortion. is this correct?

ra: i am ra. this is quite correct.

65.3
i have assumed that the reason that so many wanderers and those harvested third-density entities who have been transferred here find it a privilege and an exceptionally beneficial time to be incarnate upon this planet is that the effect that i just spoke of gives them the opportunity to be more fully of service because of the increased seeking. is this, in general, correct?

ra: i am ra. this is the intention which wanderers had prior to incarnation.

65.10
it was the aim of wanderers to serve the entities of this planet in whatever way was requested and it was also the aim of wanderers that their vibratory patterns might lighten the planetary vibration as a whole, thus ameliorating the effects of planetary disharmony and palliating any results of this disharmony.

specific intentions such as aiding in a situation not yet manifest are not the aim of wanderers. light and love go where they are sought and needed, and their direction is not planned aforetimes.

65.11
you may, at this time, note that as with any entities, each wanderer has its unique abilities, biases, and specialities so that from each portion of each density represented among the wanderers come an array of pre-incarnative talents which then may be expressed upon this plane which you now experience so that each wanderer, in offering itself before incarnation, has some special service to offer in addition to the doubling effect of planetary love and light and the basic function of serving as beacon or shepherd.

thus there are those of fifth-density whose abilities to express wisdom are great. there are fourth and sixth-density wanderers whose ability to serve as, shall we say, passive radiators or broadcasters of love and love/light are immense. there are many others whose talents brought into this density are quite varied.

thus wanderers have three basic functions once the forgetting is penetrated, the first two being basic, the tertiary one being unique to that particular mind/body/spirit complex.

65.18
the forgetting process can be penetrated to the extent of the wanderer remembering what it is and why it is upon the planetary sphere. however, it would be an infringement if wanderers penetrated the forgetting so far as to activate the more dense bodies and thus be able to live, shall we say, in a god-like manner. this would not be proper for those who have chosen to serve.

70.15
if the agreed-upon mission is completed the wanderer’s mind/body/spirit complex will go to the home vibration.

75.10
there are many wanderers whom you may call adepts who do no conscious work in the present incarnation. it is a matter of attention. one may be a fine catcher of your game sphere, but if the eye is not turned as this sphere is tossed then perchance it will pass the entity by. if it turned its eyes upon the sphere, catching would be easy. in the case of wanderers which seek to recapitulate the degree of adeptness which each had acquired previous to this life experience, we may note that even after the forgetting process has been penetrated there is still the yellow activated body which does not respond as does the adept which is of a green- or blue-ray activated body. thusly, you may see the inevitability of frustrations and confusion due to the inherent difficulties of manipulating the finer forces of consciousness through the chemical apparatus of the yellow-ray activated body.

to be continued. .

Tenet Nosce
08-27-2008, 04:55 AM
ok. . so here are some thoughts i would like to put out there for discussion.

there appear to be some inconsistencies in the information presented here. i am going to venture a guess that the apparent inconsistencies were intentional, and will reveal some deeper truths when resolved.

the biggest thing to me is about the "veil of forgetting". so i get why the forgetting occurs. what does not make sense to me is why it is so difficult to remember. according to the law of one material, wanderers come here not only with a generalized purpose of radiating light/love into the world, but with also a very specific intention, or specialized form of service, that they are seeking to express.

it would seem to me that, once the veil has been pierced, and the wanderer has regained some awareness of its true identity, that it should be fairly simple to reconnect with this specific purpose. in theory, all one need do is to make a connection with the higher self, and request that the information be given.

since the special purpose of the wanderer is de facto in alignment with it's own free will, and since it would not be the will of an sto wanderer to infringe upon the free will of others, then it would seem a logical conclusion that the open communication of said purpose from the higher self, and/or other light beings, to the wanderer personality would not be in conflict with free will considerations with respect to the wanderer or to others.

yet it would appear that the higher self, et al., considers an open communication of this purpose to in fact be a violation of free will, and chooses to respond to a direct query for this information with coded messages and fragmented experiences, leaving the wanderer to piece together this information for itself. this is, of course, not an easy task.

concomitantly, it is clear that ra does not consider it a violation of free will to very clearly state that the general purposes of a wanderer are to radiate light/love into the world, to assist others in becoming more positively polarized, and to offer catalyst to increase the harvest.

ra says that the ability of the wanderer to be successful in their mission is proportional to the ability to pierce the veil of forgetting, yet also says that it is quite possible for a wanderer to fulfill the aforementioned general purposes quite unconsciously.

so what gives here?

the only thing i have come up with so far is that the special purpose has something to do with the mechanism itself that is used to pierce the veil.

any thoughts or comments on this?

transiten
08-27-2008, 06:33 AM
i wonder in connection to this question how reincarnation is working among "wanderers". have they been living on earth in 3d before, or have they always been wanderers??:confused: at least for me i cannot be one since i've apparently lived many lives here on earth according to what i've been told by some mediums....

liliane transiten time: 15.33:)

Turtle
08-27-2008, 08:38 AM
ra says that the ability of the wanderer to be successful in their mission is proportional to the ability to pierce the veil of forgetting, yet also says that it is quite possible for a wanderer to fulfill the aforementioned general purposes quite unconsciously.

so what gives here?

the only thing i have come up with so far is that the special purpose has something to do with the mechanism itself that is used to pierce the veil.

any thoughts or comments on this?

of course it's possible...you don't have to meditate, seek spirituality or religion, in order to find a desirable passion that helps others. cases like that make sense, and it doesn't have to be impossible...i believe it's implied that if the veil has been pierced, these things would be sought after with greater haste, and worked on with a more focused intent.

3D Sunset
08-27-2008, 08:41 AM
great questions, tenet. here's my perspective:



the biggest thing to me is about the "veil of forgetting". so i get why the forgetting occurs. what does not make sense to me is why it is so difficult to remember. according to the law of one material, wanderers come here not only with a generalized purpose of radiating light/love into the world, but with also a very specific intention, or specialized form of service, that they are seeking to express.

it would seem to me that, once the veil has been pierced, and the wanderer has regained some awareness of its true identity, that it should be fairly simple to reconnect with this specific purpose. in theory, all one need do is to make a connection with the higher self, and request that the information be given.

the nature of 3d beings, is that their consciousness is vieled and it is extremely difficult to pierce the veil as you suggest. the most we can usually get is a glimpse at what's back there. there is a difference between having some awareness of your true identity, and recalling everything. indeed, are we not all actually the one creator? although we know this explicitly, it gives us no actionable abilities or knowledge. the veil is layered, and each layer is exquisitely thin. one must spend great effort truely piercing even the outer layer of the veil.




since the special purpose of the wanderer is de facto in alignment with it's own free will, and since it would not be the will of an sto wanderer to infringe upon the free will of others, then it would seem a logical conclusion that the open communication of said purpose from the higher self, and/or other light beings, to the wanderer personality would not be in conflict with free will considerations with respect to the wanderer or to others.

yet it would appear that the higher self, et al., considers an open communication of this purpose to in fact be a violation of free will, and chooses to respond to a direct query for this information with coded messages and fragmented experiences, leaving the wanderer to piece together this information for itself. this is, of course, not an easy task.

notice that there is a difference between the free will of the, say, 5th density wanderer and the free will of its 3d incarnation. as soon as the 3d incarnation is established, then that entity's free will is paramount. he/she could choose to remain asleep, or even to assume sts polarity (recall the story of ra's 3d experience with wanderers that wound up harvestable sts after one life on venus). so, it must be up to the 3d entity to find his/her own way.

this is not to say that the higher self is complacent in this process. i suspect that all wanderers are provided every opportunity to awaken and start work, still ra indicates that less than 10% even become aware that they are actually wanderers. i suspect that many fewer still fully realize their purpose for incarnation.

i agree that for wanderers, their purpose for incarnation is probably one of the outer layers of the veil of subconscious, but it still can be accessed directly only with great effort, focus, and attention. i would suggest that you seek your purpose first in what you enjoy, and what you are good at. also, look constantly for the little hints and syncronicities that your higher self is giving you.



concomitantly, it is clear that ra does not consider it a violation of free will to very clearly state that the general purposes of a wanderer are to radiate light/love into the world, to assist others in becoming more positively polarized, and to offer catalyst to increase the harvest.

ra says that the ability of the wanderer to be successful in their mission is proportional to the ability to pierce the veil of forgetting, yet also says that it is quite possible for a wanderer to fulfill the aforementioned general purposes quite unconsciously.

so what gives here?

these two statements seems fully compatble. by simply existing in this realm, the wanderer is fulfilling two of his purposes. the third requires more work and more attention.


the only thing i have come up with so far is that the special purpose has something to do with the mechanism itself that is used to pierce the veil.

any thoughts or comments on this?

i agree that the special purpose is available through the process (i.e., mechanism) of piercing the veil. this process is meditation. again, the piercing of the veil is a difficult process, but one that can be infinitely rewarding to the persistent wanderer (and nonwanderer alike).

or so i hear.

3d sunset

3D Sunset
08-27-2008, 09:23 AM
i wonder in connection to this question how reincarnation is working among "wanderers". have they been living on earth in 3d before, or have they always been wanderers??:confused: at least for me i cannot be one since i've apparently lived many lives here on earth according to what i've been told by some mediums....

liliane transiten time: 15.33:)

quite likely so, transiten. recall that carla, don and jim all had multiple incarnations before this one in which they became close and learned to work as a group. dw is also a prime example of a wanderer whose been here several time.

actually, ra indicated that there are many wanderers who have been coming back throughout this last great cycle, in order to help us evolve toward the harvest.

3d sunset

transiten
08-27-2008, 11:21 AM
hi 3d sunset

thanks for answering, only i still wonder if they have been reincarnating as wanderers after being ordinairy 3d:s? and if so, at what point do yu graduate to be a wanderer?

liliane

3D Sunset
08-27-2008, 01:04 PM
hi 3d sunset

thanks for answering, only i still wonder if they have been reincarnating as wanderers after being ordinairy 3d:s? and if so, at what point do yu graduate to be a wanderer?

liliane

i'm not sure i understand your question, so let me review the basics.

wanderers are higher density entities (usually 6th, but sometimes 5th or 4th density), that have chosen to incarnate into 3rd density in order to be of service to other 3rd density beings. they are called wanderers, because they are not native to this world.

wanderers choose to incarnate here with a mission in mind. this mission may take one or more (even hundreds or thousands) of incarnations to accomplish. once incarnated, they are subject to all the laws and restrictions of other 3d entities.

when they die, they go through the same healing and review as other 3d entities. afterward, if they have completed their mission, and have not become otherwise bound to this world, through karmic attachments, for example, then they return to their native time/space and density for further evolution.

so, the fact that you may have had several previous incarnations on our lovely blue planet, does not preclude you from being a wanderer.

i hope that helps!

3d

Tenet Nosce
08-27-2008, 01:38 PM
i wonder in connection to this question how reincarnation is working among "wanderers". have they been living on earth in 3d before, or have they always been wanderers??:confused: at least for me i cannot be one since i've apparently lived many lives here on earth according to what i've been told by some mediums....

liliane transiten time: 15.33:)

a wanderer is a soul which has previously graduated from 3rd density, and whose "home" density is of the 4th, 5th, or 6th.

the wanderer no longer requires incarnation in the 3rd density, but may nevertheless choose do to so in response to a calling for aid from those of 3d, and/or a desire for recapitulation of lessons for which it is easier to come across catalyst for in 3d.

having lived many lives here on earth does not preclude being a wanderer. according to ra, there is a group of wanderers which has been present for the last two 25,000 year cycles. there are also those who came here solely for incarnative experience that is offered at this particular time.

P-Bass
08-27-2008, 02:29 PM
while thinking about the possibility of being a wanderer one evening, i thought “do i have another family out there someplace”? so i sent out the thought “hello, how are you? i miss you”. in return i got a wave of saudades (brazilian portuguese word for a feeling of nostalgic longing for something or someone that one was fond of and which is lost). it was very moving and powerful.

love & light
steve

transiten
08-27-2008, 02:44 PM
thanks again 3d sunset

at 20 i recorded a song that started with these words:

- where is your laughter, have you forgotten how to give and how to kindle the light in the eyes of others...sounds strange in english, doesn't make rhymes and perhaps the english is incorrect....but it makes me "wonder"...was this perhaps a faint feeling of something we are talking about here...i also listened a lot to crosby stills nash and young without realizing until lately how deeply spiritual their lyrics are...

liliane

Silvanus Sanctus Germanus
08-27-2008, 06:12 PM
they are called wanderers, because they are not native to this world.


a wanderer is a soul which has previously graduated from 3rd density, and whose "home" density is of the 4th, 5th, or 6th.

hi 3d sunset and all, i really feel it is important that entities explore the possibility that not all wanderers come from other worlds, in fact i suspect that many native entities that are discovering their freedom to explore are awakening to the point of becoming a wanderer, i feel this is simply a natural course of events in which enough cosmic wanderers are awakening to allow this to spread, like in the 100th monkey or maharishi effect. here's a few questions of my own:
do all harvestable entities get to ponder the choice of becoming a wanderer?
is it only those that have reached a fourth density understanding and that are now feeling out of place, out of tune with 3rd density?
could these entities now have a choice to adopt the same state of being as wanderers from other worlds?
would it be possible for such an entity to come to a realisation that becoming a wanderer now and seeking "work" may be the key to help complete the overall mission of wanderers?

i say wanderers can use all the help they can get, if a wanderer can fall asleep to the point of becoming trapped as a 3rd density being then surely the opposite is not only possible but probable, think about it:).....................sylvain.................. ..

billybobbutterball
08-27-2008, 08:54 PM
silvanus sanctus germanus hi 3d sunset and all,

snip

do all harvestable entities get to ponder the choice of becoming a wanderer?
is it only those that have reached a fourth density understanding and that are now feeling out of place, out of tune with 3rd density?

## as i understand it (llresearch) there are relatively few 4d wanderers here. most are 5th or 6th. just barely getting onto to the bottom rung of 4d is not the time to jump right back off into hazard's way!

could these entities now have a choice to adopt the same state of being as wanderers from other worlds?

## sometimes becoming a wanderer is simply automatically answering a spiritual call.

would it be possible for such an entity to come to a realisation that becoming a wanderer now and seeking "work" may be the key to help complete the overall mission of wanderers?

## i don't fully understand that query. my best shot: some wanderers just help out by only being on stage here. perhaps without even realizing it their unadorned unconscious higher vibration helps leaven the spiritual mass/mess.

i say wanderers can use all the help they can get, if a wanderer can fall asleep to the point of becoming trapped as a 3rd density being then surely the opposite is not only possible but probable,

think about it:) ........sylvain....

### hmm. what is this "opposite" possibility? .. a native 3der falling asleep and being "trapped" in 4d? :confused: i guess i would point out that in earthly terms a person can fall down hard :rolleyes: but floating up soft is something else again.:)

carla rueckert's massive work, "the wanderers handbook" is a must read

love, billbob...trying hard to fake it until he makes it

Silvanus Sanctus Germanus
08-27-2008, 09:42 PM
hi bbb, the opposite that i was refering to would be a 3der waking up to the point of becoming a wanderer as opposed to a wanderer falling asleep to the point of getting stuck in 3d. i know my wording may not be the best but i hope this clears things up. goes to show that we all have different points of observation. my last query was mearly an attempt to explore the possibility that a native entity can awaken to the point of desireing the same act of contributions as a wanderer from another world. native earth entities awakening to the point of becoming a wanderer is discussed in carla's book.

yes "a wanderers handbook" has opened my eyes to a lot of possibilities, a big thanks to carla and jim :) ...........................sylvain................ .........

Tenet Nosce
08-27-2008, 10:09 PM
i really feel it is important that entities explore the possibility that not all wanderers come from other worlds, in fact i suspect that many native entities that are discovering their freedom to explore are awakening to the point of becoming a wanderer, i feel this is simply a natural course of events in which enough cosmic wanderers are awakening to allow this to spread, like in the 100th monkey or maharishi effect.

interesting idea! well. . . hmm. . . i think i see what you are getting at. i see the importance of guarding against the development of a wanderer/non-wanderer dichotomy here. yet still it would seem that, according to my understanding, being a wanderer as termed in the law of one series involves having had previous experience in a 4th, 5th, or 6th density incarnation.

of course, there is always that gnawing greater truth that linear time is an illusion of increasingly less relevance as one's viewpoint expands outward from a 3d perspective. ;)


do all harvestable entities get to ponder the choice of becoming a wanderer?

i dunno. i would imagine that any soul graduated from 3d would have the choice to return to 3d if they were also willing to accept the restrictions necessary to avoid infringement upon the will of others residing in 3d. i don't see any reason why some would be eligible and not others. certainly one is free to ponder whatever one will, regardless of harvestability.


is it only those that have reached a fourth density understanding and that are now feeling out of place, out of tune with 3rd density?

not quite sure what the question is here. i think what you are asking is could a soul that has achieved 4d awareness feel this same out-of-placeness simply because they no longer resonate with the 3d world. if that is the question, i would say yes, most definitely.


could these entities now have a choice to adopt the same state of being as wanderers from other worlds?

in terms of radiating light/love into the world, assisting others in becoming more positively polarized, and offering catalyst to increase the harvest, again most definitely. in this regard there would be no substantive difference between the two.

in the aspect of a form of service that requires incarnative experience in 4d - 6d, i would say there is a difference. but of course, i'm not really clear on what that form of service would be, hence this thread. it seems to me a great paradox that a wanderer would seek to offer such a specialized form of service while simultaneously making it exceedingly difficult to recover awareness of what that form of service entails. perhaps the more specialized the form of service, the greater the potential for it to be turned against its own purposes. . .??


would it be possible for such an entity to come to a realisation that becoming a wanderer now and seeking "work" may be the key to help complete the overall mission of wanderers?

again very interesting. . . one might conjecture that the highest form of service would be to offer another the opportunity to become aware that their service is no longer required. this concept would appear to blur the lines between sto and sts, and i think is part of the 6d curriculum, as partly evidenced by the fact that my consciousness gets dizzy when trying to grasp the concept. :confused:


i say wanderers can use all the help they can get, if a wanderer can fall asleep to the point of becoming trapped as a 3rd density being then surely the opposite is not only possible but probable, think about it

seems like a fair proposition to me. as for myself, i can only say that this planet/density surely does not feel like home to me, and as such i would welcome all the assistance that could be offered toward getting me home safe and sound, mission accomplished, and ready for some much needed r&r. :)

soup
08-27-2008, 10:52 PM
the idea of longing may lean toward the idea of growing more toward a manifesting nature. in late book 3 is shared some idea that in space time imbalances may be balanced in ways time/space cannot offer. as one grows in balance, so may they grow more manifest and possibly to a greater degree more enabled to radiate love/light. here, the idea of balancing lonliness with longing may be an example so.


soup

Detlef
08-28-2008, 05:53 PM
being a wanderer myself, i like to give some basic understandings what a wanderer is, and why we do what we do.
the term was coined on this planet with the mindset of this planet. it referrers to entities that respond to calls for help, in order to be of service. wanderers can be from the local universe, but are mostly from somewhere else.
by far the greatest majority have angelic origins.
the remembering part is not any different for us, as it is for anyone else, only we have done it more often.
what takes entities many life times, an experience wanderer can do this in one life time. in my view, the ability to let go, is my greatest asset.
at least for the angelic wanderers i can say, we work in teams, i do my part here while my friend do theirs on the other side, organizing my life. i move left when they say left, and right when they say right.
yes, messages are cryptic, this has less to do with free will, free will for wanderers works a little different then the rest of incarnates. it has more to do with interference in the unfoldment on this planet. we need to understand, every time those of the light (sto) interfere, they give permission to the dark, sts, to do the same.
non interference is crucial.
yes, being a catalyst, being a transformer, were the first messages i received, way before i heard of wanderers, and read any material.
there are always other tasks we agree to, and in most cases, we get the information when appropriate.
a little bit like, recently i asked: do i need to have more information on a particular person? (not of this board or any other board) and i was told, if i would need it, i would know it by now. very simple.
it is almost impossible to know all details, what we need is trust in our friend on the other side, to do their job as well as we do ours.

regards detlef
rah nam

soup
08-29-2008, 12:16 AM
somewhere there is mentioned that near the center of the galaxy, the 3d experience is more sto prominent, and lesser degrees further away. there may also be contrast with planets in the solar system, as if 3d experience may vary with the distance from the sun. part of the sorrow the wanderers bear may be related to the idea of coming from a more sto dominant experience, as if a subtle sorrow exits in contending with that change.


soup

Silvanus Sanctus Germanus
08-30-2008, 11:06 AM
seems like a fair proposition to me. as for myself, i can only say that this planet/density surely does not feel like home to me, and as such i would welcome all the assistance that could be offered toward getting me home safe and sound, mission accomplished, and ready for some much needed r&r. :)

i hear you. the overall mission in my view is to expand the "harvest" in all possible ways respectfully and honorably:)........................sylvain........ ...........

soup
08-31-2008, 12:35 AM
there's an idea that as a person crystalizes green ray, they produce more of that which is as the one infinite creator...possibly this speaks of the fruit of harvest in some way. if the veiling experiment was intended to strengthen that which seems important, the nature of the veil may be as an act of farming, as if to increase the chances for a good crop. another analogy may be within the roots of the word religion - to re-join in a devine way by efforts which as byproduct may peirce the veil.


soup

twva
08-31-2008, 05:19 AM
the overall mission in my view is to expand the "harvest" in all possible ways respectfully and honorably:)


that and to lighten the planetary vibration, thereby lessening the chances of massive destruction through war a la atlantis, mars, and maldek.

soup
09-01-2008, 09:40 PM
it may be in book5, the cat crisis where ra was consoling them that there's little need to worry because the cat had arrived at a harvestable state.

so it may be that harvest seems a general term that applies to almost everything. i say almost because it seems to have higher relevance to lifeforms within which there is a multiplexity of densities interplaying. in the case of the cat, there may have been information exchanged as heteodyned upon harvest type energy transfer, by which the cat rendered service in ways harvestable which somehow assured it a better chance of future incarnation.

so maybe the lure of enhancing harvestability seems some better chance of having future incarnation opportunity, and the planet vibration goes up as a byproduct...

soup

Tenet Nosce
09-01-2008, 11:07 PM
just came across this:

83.15
questioner: what techniques and methods of penetration of the veil were planned and are there any others that have occurred other that those planned?

ra: i am ra. there were none planned by the first great experiment. as all experiments, this rested upon the nakedness of hypothesis. the outcome was unknown. it was discovered, experientially and empirically, that there were as many ways to penetrate the veil as the imagination of mind/body/spirit complexes could provide. the desire of mind/body/spirit complexes to know that which was unknown drew to them the dreaming and the gradual opening to the seeker of all of the balancing mechanisms leading to adepthood and communication with teach/learners which could pierce this veil.

the various unmanifested activities of the self were found to be productive in some degree of penetration of the veil. in general, we may say that by far the most vivid and even extravagant opportunities for the piercing of the veil are a result of the interaction of polarized entities.

83.16
questioner: could you expand on what you mean by that interaction of polarized entities in piercing the veil?

ra: i am ra. we shall state two items of note. the first is the extreme potential for polarization in the relationship of two polarized entities which have embarked upon the service-to-others path or, in some few cases, the service-to-self path. secondly, we would note that effect which we have learned to call the doubling effect. those of like mind which together seek shall far more surely find.

83.17
questioner: specifically, by what process would, in the first case, two polarized entities attempt to penetrate the veil, whether they be positively or negatively polarized? by what technique would they penetrate the veil?

ra: i am ra. the penetration of the veil may be seen to begin to have its roots in the gestation of green-ray activity, that all-compassionate love which demands no return. if this path is followed the higher energy centers shall be activated and crystallized until the adept is born. within the adept is the potential for dismantling the veil to a greater or lesser extent that all may be seen again as one. the other-self is primary catalyst in this particular path to the piercing of the veil, if you would call it that.

with specific regard to the statement that "those of like mind which together seek shall far more surely find," barring internet forums such as this, why does it seem to be so difficult to encounter others of like mind in the world?

soup
09-03-2008, 12:00 AM
difficulty finding like minded seekers? one impression is that part of the intent of the veil feature in our programming is to stimulate an active seeking attitude, as opposed to one of complacency. also, another impression is that the imposition of the veil can act to precipitate a greater strength of vibration which is beneficial. note the passages on energy transfers and related blockages may apply. for example, with lack of feedback a person may blindly ressonate their best effort which may relay a greater amplitude transfer than would be otherwise be needed - people yell where whispers may be heard...though maybe we better find each other by yelling.


soup

Tenet Nosce
09-04-2008, 08:30 AM
had an interesting dream last night. . .

i was with three friends and we were in the front yard of a house standing around and talking. i was telling them about what it is/will be like living in higher dimensions. no more hidden agendas and miscommunications, clearer understanding of outcomes of actions, etc.

they were almost entirely unmoved! their attitude was like: ho-hum what's the big deal sounds kind of boring. . 3d sounds like more fun!

this morning i was thinking about hide-and-go-seek. almost every little kid loves that game. . . and it is only possible because of 3d and the veil. so i guess my point is perhaps if i were to focus more on the value of this dimension and the veil, it wouldn't frustrate me as much to be here.

soup
09-04-2008, 02:19 PM
...if the veiling experiment was intended to strengthen that which seems important, the nature of the veil may be as an act of farming, as if to increase the chances for a good crop....


there's some idea that higher densitys contain more strength of polarity, and that as opposite polaritys intermingle, there can be "some loss of polarity" by such interaction. here, the idea of the veil may act as a facilitating construct which better allows opposit polaritys to interact, fortified by the idea that stronger vibrations precipitated by the veil may be more effective in helping to balance or toggle say a negative polarity to positive.

so for example, a 6d positive wanderer conjoins with a 5d negative, what happens then? is it possible that by such act of service a 6d positive in some way comes to a state of better understanding the negative path - which seems something unlikely to happen without a veil and which may somehow support an evolutionary progression from 6d to say 7d? furthermore, couldn't a 5d negative turned positive better evolve to 6d positive by such a union?

so it seems plausible that a positive oriented wanderer could seek out and meld with a high density negative, at the risk of being swept up in some sort of karmic maelstrom, to form a sort of evolutionary win-win situation.


soup

Magical_Mongoose
09-09-2008, 09:02 AM
the only way i know how to describe it is we're coming "back here" to alter events and to re-align ourselves through the assistance of others. for many, the lessons of the heart were "skipped" over, even for those of a positive polarity. they felt that love and knew of its essence, feeling attracted to the allures of the positive higher densities, but they had some difficulty in realizing this in their physical incarnations. but they were accepted in because their awareness levels had reached a certain intensity to render them completely unharmonious for 3rd density incarnation.
but they agreed to come back, eventually, and work on it. it was then realized their further training in the higher densities, coupled with their karmic obligation to activate the heart chakra during 3d incarnation, would coincide with the harvest on 3d earth. so the timing was perfect, because through their training, their gifts, abilities and power, they could place it in the service of humanity; to both aid in the evolution of the earth, humanity and of themselves through the power of love.
from what i remember, we're in the "last phase of a very important mission". how one chooses to express this mission is open, yet it is becoming clear that many are succumbing to the negative polarity, and when it's a wanderer in particular, it is a great loss to see their intensity becoming perverted with cold logic and an obsession with power, which always devolves towards cruelty and suffering. but that was an accepted risk, and it was always hoped, and purportedly felt in essence by those in close contact with those with the eyes to see, that the mission would be succesful. that love would transform everything when more and more people remembered.
but it has to be shared, spoken of and acted upon. some of us who've been around for a while didn't want to come back here; the lessons of atlantis being extremely horrific and utterly painful to our souls. it seemed that everything always seemed to go wrong; like some cosmic "murphy's law" that always seemed to throw everything haywire. so some of us have taken a huge break in our 3d incarnations, greatly assisting the earth and the souls who chose to incarnate but not daring to go back. but then eventually, perhaps around 500-600 years ago in our time, it was revealed that earth was changing, and that those who were during atlantis would be called upon greatly to help others to remember, to avoid another upheaval and to finally heal themselves.
this is what i can remember. there's alot of "things" converging right now; karmic pathways and destinies meeting. everyone is ultimately a wanderer, coming from elsewhere but not remembering where. but the guidance that is streaming in is becoming more palpable every moment, just listen in!

soup
09-09-2008, 05:33 PM
i was looking up the word "ra" and found there was a variant of it "re.". the reason i mention it is one of meanings of "re" is the idea of going back, or coming back...(as mentioned elsewhere recently). anyhow, the word play continued in pondering the word religion as rooted in re-joining or joining back to something that way be important. then i pondered how ra helped to join the important part of a person with their incarnation. so i wonder if years ago the work of ra somehow influenced the creation of the word religion, if at some point a variant was a word raligion.


soup