Obama and the New World

[aqcheryl]

has anyone else noticed that obama has been a little bit less.... articulate... than he used to be? meaning he doesnt sound like he speaks but its anothers dictated words. instead it sounds like hes personally begun to answer the questions. and that, to me, is an extremely positive sign - both with alot of people sending him positivity (and it only takes one for him to receive it too - so when you have many?) - but also with that hes not a puppet. :)

something i was thinking about the other day... i realize we can all be wrong about him and go down with the ship so to speak if the end result were to prove our feelings misplaced or misguided -let me interject that i dont believe they are ever that, just that thats how we sometimes end up feeling- i would tell anyone at this point... if that was the way it was going to be, id rather go down with the ship knowing i had sent as much love and positivity, rather than fight with negativity.


i am very glad for his years abroad because americans have been so obtuse in regarding other people as real. also, he grew up around a very tolerant form of islam and for that matter some buddhism, so he will not internally demonize muslims.

it seems his mother taught him a lot about compassion and caring for the world and its corruptions. she also encouraged him and in fact spurred him on to be amibitious, not to feel limited.
...if he is to make real changes, call the guilty to the carpet, he must get a mandate from the people.


i am glad for this too. listening to an interview with mellen-thomas, he said that when he travelled abroad he noticed that america, as compared to the rest of the world, was a bit like disneyland.
i dont think thats a good thing - it just shows how far our nation is behind in growth. and our mothers always override any lessons taught by any other 'faction'. and you make an excellent point - he cannot move against the agenda until he has us behind him.


if we get the flu we only go to a doctor if it's a severe case. most of the cases will therefore go unnoticed. lowering the mortality even more.
...if you want my advice. the skin of a lemon boiled in hot water is very healthy. especially if you put a little honey with it. you might be over doing it. but hey, why not spoil yourself, right?
our bodies are miraculous things, for they were built by consciousness and light. so we dont truly need vaccinations anyways, they only keep us believing that only others can heal us, rather than learning we can heal ourselves. the tragedy of it is that now they are trying to train us into thinking our bodies are too weak to fight off anything. that which does not kill us only makes us stronger - it wont lower the mortality rate, it will give it more chance to increase, by naturally fighting the disease, our bodies learn and pre-code how to stop it from ever being a danger again. that lemon drink sounds delicious!


the flyover was insensitive, most likely planned and the reaction of fear counted upon and i can see it as one more thing they might be doing to make people choose fear over love, but why is it the last thing they do?

david has been seeing that now is the time for the nwo agenda to crumble, even though its not going to happen overnight. so at this point, everything they do is last ditch. this flu is so obvious one of their last ditch attempts as well. they are trying to insight fear - but they fail to realize the more fear they impose, people question the validity and strength of their governments even more. that the people will turn from their 'protection' because its not working. so since they are failing, it is last ditch for them. it just doesnt mean its going to stop overnight... each effort could perhaps take years to pull through.. but i dont think it will anymore. weve wisened up. americas awakening out of that disneyland, slowly, but surely.

[momlvsducks]

a while back, before the election i saw obama on television.

behind him stood three elderly men--and as i was wondering who they could be i sensed that they were really worried about what obama was about to say.

that's when i decided to vote for obama,

because these elderly men were worried about obama exposing somthing

and i thought that was a great idea.

all of the hidden things need to have the closet doors opened and the lights turned on

then the people who do things in secret, when they feel shame may change their minds and choose to do what they are proud to have seen.

[LoveWins]

had to chime back in when obama's book was mentioned. i read after the election. it is a book i would have enjoyed reading had this been a person that wasn't president. it has a fascinating "insider" feel to it. it covers his childhood and entrance into manhood from the perspective of a person between two worlds.. those of a white mother and a black father.

he was exposed to the "world" and i believe that instilled a sense in him that there is more to the world than just the u.s. i live in the u.s. and have never travelled overseas so thank goodness for the internet ! lol i am blessed to be to connect to the world and understand it isn't all about "us" ... i believe the internet was part of the process as well as obama is , coming into leadership during such a pivotal time. it is his experiences and things he learned as he grew up that shaped him that i believe are going to be the underpinning of his ultimate choices.

he's seen extreme poverty and he's seen the other extreme now. i think anyone who supports him needs to realize he's not superman, he can't pull this off without our belief that our ultimate desire for a much more balance and positive world is possible. one person at a time can make a difference. by choosing what we wish to see happen, that choice will automatically support anything that he does to further the cause, and at the same time, it will dismiss and render powerless any fear factors that are thrown at us.


in short, we are the change lol and he's perhaps the one who needed to say it. interesting that slogan has been used before in politics, but it's like it has a whole new meaning this time for those who believe in it's inevitability.



sorry the for long post. i do recommend the book as a good read. i won't suggest it as a way to change anyone's position , but just as a great read like any other book that i feel impacted me and made me think.....


be well..

lovewins

[Jetamus]

i was reading today about how barack obama met leonard nimoy and gave him the vulcan parted fingers salute.

it was in an article about whether obama was a geek or not, and it also said:


his senate web site used to have a photo of him posing in front of a superman statue, and in october at new york's alfred smith dinner he joked: "i was actually born on krypton and sent here by my father jor-el to save the planet earth."

how very amusing.

[Berry Chastain]

i was reading today about how barack obama met leonard nimoy and gave him the vulcan parted fingers salute.

it was in an article about whether obama was a geek or not, and it also said:



how very amusing.

do you think that he knows that he may indeed be a wander from whatever other world? my guess is that he is becoming aware and awake in such a way. and i think that he is perhaps aware that wanderers with such a precarnational game plan has a great deal of hard work to do.

[Nomadess 2012]

do you think that he knows that he may indeed be a wander from whatever other world?

yes, i believe so.

[mmariebored]

do you think that he knows that he may indeed be a wander from whatever other world? my guess is that he is becoming aware and awake in such a way.
i have a feeling he figured that out when the entire country lifted him up and carried him to the finish line, before the other racer had a chance to flex his muscles. sometimes you don't wake up until you've already done well enough to ride the wave.

[Saïd]

now does this sound like a good interim balance sheet after the famous "first 100 days" or not?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/04/ar2009050403233.html

[Jetamus]

one thing that has become really apparent lately is that david wilcock seems to be the only guy who looks at obama from the perspective that he's not a bad guy.

all of the people i used to follow closely spew the same stupid rubbish about him.
benjamin fulford, david icke, jeff rense, alex jones, michael sharp and even rayelan allan on her rumor mills site still see him as this satanic ghoul.

why is david the only one to not only see things differently, but actually give sane reasons for it?

[moderators want to remind everyone to keep this conversation positive please:) ]

[Rhonda]

because i think david is pure love, he only see's the beauty in all creation on earth. his heart is wide open.

as well, i believe he can see the game pieces (game of life) being played out., we may not fully see the entire strategy as of yet, but there is wisdom and truth being lived in these moments that over time will create something that is ever lasting.

fear still does exist in our world. the amount of fear one holds can be measured in the amount of love it can contain. have faith, give trust, let life flow, turn any fear into the powerful love it wants to be. give change a heart.


one thing that has become really apparent lately is that david wilcock seems to be the only guy who looks at obama from the perspective that he's not a bad guy.

all of the people i used to follow closely spew the same stupid rubbish about him.
benjamin fulford, david icke, jeff rense, alex jones, michael sharp and even rayelan allan on her rumor mills site still see him as this satanic ghoul.

why is david the only one to not only see things differently, but actually give sane reasons for it?

[mmariebored]

one thing that has become really apparent lately is that david wilcock seems to be the only guy who looks at obama from the perspective that he's not a bad guy.

all of the people i used to follow closely spew the same stupid rubbish about him.
benjamin fulford, david icke, jeff rense, alex jones, michael sharp and even rayelan allan on her rumor mills site still see him as this satanic ghoul.

why is david the only one to not only see things differently, but actually give sane reasons for it?

maybe it's because david sees him as a positive human being instead of one of the 'controllers' or elitists. you can tell, if you add up all the wording in all of his speeches, that he has very little control of anything. the situation reminds me of one man with a bucket on the titanic trying to scoop out the water. why is everyone so angry with him?

[pineal-pilot in merkabah]

hi im new to this forum, im like a pendulum with obama. i have yet to see any heavy weight moves to 'get me off the fence' with obama. all indicators pointo so far to more of the same.. nothing concrete yet.. i wait with baited breath:confused:

[DreamerWeaver76]

hi jetamus,

even though i have not read any of negative comments made by the people that you mentioned, it made me wondered what are they afraid of at a deep level. shortly after the election, i was listening to the news while at my computer. when some comments were made about obama, they triggered a strong fear in my body. i wondered if i had voted for the correct person. then i had to remind myself what i saw from my heart. he is for unity and peace. i cannot recall anyone in his position interactive with his family as he does. i can see that obama is truly in love with his wife and kids. i too have had positive dreams about obama. the first was around election time.

i could see obama superimposed among a tall oak tree that had all of its arms cut off. the scene switched where i cleaning my tooth where i had recently gotten a root canal. then obama was off again on the campaign trail with my late father. (i get a lot of symbols in my dreams.)

barbara

[alexa100]

obama and mccain... it is obvious we made the right pick. that it not obvious to those who condemn him, spiritually, is nuts !!!

[aqcheryl]

i dont think the others are as non-biased as dw. from what ive seen of david icke, for example, the impression i get is hes not as focuses spiritually as he is listening to others. he does his research on others, and talks about that. not that hes not focused spiritually, i just dont think hes got a balance there.

i do focus on that the fact that nothings happened yet, is a positive sign. whether because of obama, or not, i believe in what dw has been saying - we have higher forces looking out for us and they will not let the really bad stuff happen. we also are our own force, and wont stand for it either.

as for obama vs mccain the speculation isnt that we made the right pick, because they are all puppets. the hope is obama is the same type of puppet jfk was.

i wouldnt say those who do condemn him are nuts - time will tell what he chooses to do. :d

[Sarahmay]

because the business of all the people you have listed is fear.

they use fear to sell their programs, books and websites, and they are mired in it.

there are plenty of spiritually based teachers/healers/channeler who share david's opinion about obama.

[Mozart]

there are plenty of spiritually based teachers/healers/channeler who share david's opinion about obama.




i agree.


like many of you, i am seeing a lot of anti-obama stuff on the net and being spoken by many people, but there are a few people, intuitive people, who still say that obama will eventually go against the power elites when the time is right.


david is not the only public one supporting obama -- there's another website that is publicly supporting obama, but you'll have to ping me with a pm in order to get the website of which i am referring to.


the dude on that website, like david, had said consistently well before the election that obama would not only get elected, but by a land-slide margin, which did happen. the "official" vote count was a bs-doctored count; the real vote count was about 70% obama and 30% mccain.


so the dude on that site also says consistently that obama was incarnated specifically to be president at this time and that he is a very-highly-evolved soul who has incarnated as a leader at other times as well, so he has a lot of experience in this critical role that he is playing.


so far obama is playing the "anti-christ" role perfectly, keeping the elites happy and not rocking the boat with the furthering of their agenda against the people of not only america, but the world so far. there are a few positive (good for the common people) changes that he's made, but the bulk of the "changes" have been a furthering concentrations of power that favors the status quo, as opposed to real change that we can believe in.


keep in mind that, in terms of incarnational aspects, anyone who is "groomed" for the position, like obama, for playing out the "anti-christ" position that would serve the final blow to the common people and the final victory could actually do a total flip-flop against the elites in favor of the people, due to the high-level of soul evolvement on obama's part.


if obama was really an anti-christ that is serving the elites with no caring about the common people, then the elites would be very happy with what he has done so far, with a few exceptions; however, thanks to the soul-level "pecking order", for lack of a better term, the elites cannot control exactly who incarnates into designated roles that they pick out far in advance of the maturation of anyone who is growing up.


on a soul level, one who has a higher level of vibration, who has more soul-level energy / power, would have more power of choice of where one incarnates, as opposed to a lower-level soul who has not yet grown to the level of soul-power of a highly-evolved being ("heb"), right? so for a prime incarnation, in terms of timing and choice, the heb would have seniority over someone who is not as far along in terms of soul evolution. soul seniority, in other words.


so, in obama's case, it appears to me that obama has incarnated specifically to be in this role at this time as the president of the usa and that it is his role to handle the chaos of the current times in such a way that the world continues to function, that the elites are finally stopped and that the people of the world would finally get their justice / relief that they so long have waited for -- all without inviting in any more chaos that there already is out there.


obama's position is a very, very tricky one. he has to initially keep the elites happy, while keeping the american society together as it is disintegrating rapidly and yet make the initially-slow moves towards breaking the power of the elites and towards creating true justice for the masses of the world.


it is david and this other site that, so far, have publicly supported obama (and i'd like to know who else has publicly supported obama) and have said that, eventually, real hope and change can be triggered by new and different choices that obama is capable of doing. so far both david and this other site have been right about obama ... time will tell as to whether obama really can make the big changes that people really need in order to prevent further disintegration into very serious chaos that would not serve the masses of the world well at all.


i think that the events are building towards some sort of major triggering event -- whatever it is -- that would be the few grains of sand that sets off the wholesale change that would change everything about how our world functions today with the rapid change of the status quo into a new working order that is different, yet better (for the people) for our world.


in the chaos theory, just one grain of sand can set off the whole pile, or a bunch of grains of sand can set off the whole pile at the same time, so i do think that we are building towards some sort of an event that would finally finish the elite and bring out the necessary changes that would benefit our world and stabilize our economic situation, favoring the masses, not the elites.


and i think that this event will happen this year, 2009, sometime, like in oct or nov. i think that we will see the end of the irs, the end of the fed and a new monetary system to be in place before the end of this year; i also think that the ufo coverup, along with the release of the long-suppressed "free energy" devices may finally come out. the unveiling of the ufo coverup may even be the big triggering event that could change everything in a hurry. who knows?

[savant]

like most other nations, americans are presented with an electoral choice between two evils. two groomed and placed individuals chosen from the political pack. time will tell if obama is any different and can break that mold. but so far the momentum seems to be against him as greater (temporal) powers than himself are sweeping him along without substantive resistance on his part on the issues that matter most for america.

the president may be "one man" but no one man has greater power bestowed on his office by the people. therefore the buck - the responsibility - stops with him.

[xlsander]

@mozart

your words sound like music to my ears - i so much hope you are right !!!

much love to everybody

alex

[Happystrings]

i think that the events are building towards some sort of major triggering event -- whatever it is -- that would be the few grains of sand that sets off the wholesale change that would change everything about how our world functions today with the rapid change of the status quo into a new working order that is different, yet better (for the people) for our world.

in the chaos theory, just one grain of sand can set off the whole pile, or a bunch of grains of sand can set off the whole pile at the same time, so i do think that we are building towards some sort of an event that would finally finish the elite and bring out the necessary changes that would benefit our world and stabilize our economic situation, favoring the masses, not the elites.

and i think that this event will happen this year, 2009, sometime, like in oct or nov. i think that we will see the end of the irs, the end of the fed and a new monetary system to be in place before the end of this year; i also think that the ufo coverup, along with the release of the long-suppressed "free energy" devices may finally come out. the unveiling of the ufo coverup may even be the big triggering event that could change everything in a hurry. who knows?

i agree with you mozart. feel like we are at a still point and waiting for something to 'pop'. i have a feeling of calm about all of this. i also have a knowing that something is coming and it is no small thing. :cool:

[aqcheryl]

i agree.
i think that the events are building towards some sort of major triggering event -- whatever it is -- that would be the few grains of sand that sets off the wholesale change that would change everything about how our world functions today with the rapid change of the status quo into a new working order that is different, yet better (for the people) for our world.

and i think that this event will happen this year, 2009, sometime, like in oct or nov. i think that we will see the end of the irs, the end of the fed and a new monetary system to be in place before the end of this year; i also think that the ufo coverup, along with the release of the long-suppressed "free energy" devices may finally come out. the unveiling of the ufo coverup may even be the big triggering event that could change everything in a hurry. who knows?


i agree with this statement. its coming to an end.
and you know last night i was watching ufo hunters, and they make a trip to area 51. someone climbed the mountain and with an hd camera with over 1100 zooms lens, took pictures of the base... there is no way our government would have allowed them to, or allow it to be aired - unless they were slowly and unofficially declassifying things. i noticed this happens only after obama comes into office. i do think hes going to reveal about aliens.

so much doom and gloom is predicted for sep/oct/nov months of this year. i really have seen alot from the fact that our farms are annihilated and we will be out of food, that the dollar will fall, everything. they are getting these months as well - but i think somethings going to happen for the positive. i hope its the end of the irs but to get rid of the irs you must first get rid of the fed reserve.

[SONOFMAN]

not even funny how the conspiracy groups and forums hate every single politician that comes down the pipe. other than ron paul who,sorry to remind everyone is a politician to. they cry for three years about how we need someone in office with the guts to do these things and then crucify the first one that comes along in 60 years or so that is willing to try. these are the same people that are screaming armagedon every two or three years so they can sell more generators and water purifiers. beware the chants of the hypocrites.

in a few short months he has put the slap down the illuminati and the zionists. his gigantic stimulus package,which economically is insane, increased the rate of distress on the bankers and brought even more spotlight on their criminal acts. he used the federal reserve to expose itself. then he turned right around and told isreal to stop their genocidal crawl through the west bank and told the world iran they should have nuclear power.

i see the media kicking into full swing to discredit him now. and yet i do not think he is going to slow down in the least.

[PriestOfLight]

here is a good quote from an obama speech. sounds very jfk..


conservative critics seized on a passage in which he said: “given our interdependence, any world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will inevitably fail. so whatever we think of the past, we must not be prisoners of it. our problems must be dealt with through partnership; progress must be shared.”


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23334_page2.html

[weboy78]

i've heard the obama speech in cairo, thank you pr.obama from italy ;)

[Rhonda]

wow, what a speech, the history that he bridged, the connections made by the choice of words, the heart felt truth that he spoke that many of us may have thought at times or spoke of in small groups. it was so wonderful to witness a leader, that stepped up and spoke from the heart.

president obama addressed tensions between the u.s. and muslims in a speech in cairo, egypt. 6/04/2009

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/06/04/dcl.wedeman.obama.cairo.cnn?iref=mpvideosview

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/06/04/dcl.wedeman.obama.cairo.cnn?iref=mpvideosview


much love and healing felt in this speech. i hope others felt the same.

there is an opportunity for positive change.

[Buvy]

like many of you, i am seeing a lot of anti-obama stuff on the net and being spoken by many people, but there are a few people, intuitive people, who still say that obama will eventually go against the power elites when the time is right.

....

and i think that this event will happen this year, 2009, sometime, like in oct or nov. i think that we will see the end of the irs, the end of the fed and a new monetary system to be in place before the end of this year; i also think that the ufo coverup, along with the release of the long-suppressed "free energy" devices may finally come out. the unveiling of the ufo coverup may even be the big triggering event that could change everything in a hurry. who knows?

mozart i sincerely hope you are right with the added qualifier that when he does he does not get assassinated. the last two presidents to stand steadfast against the banking elites lost their lives in lincoln and the greenback and kennedy and executive order 11110.

the fact remains that the cfr funded obama's campaign and his cabinet is now littered with cfr, trilateral, and bilderberg lackeys. i hope that's a case of keep your friends close but your enemies closer but i'll believe it when i see it.

your scenario of no irs, no fed, and a new money system, disclosure, and the end of free energy supression sounds too good to be true but i'm going to keep my consciousness focused in that direction because i think all of those things are necessary for us to make genuine progress.

[Patracia]

well... hello!

i am new (my first post) to the divine cosmos blog, but i'll get off to a running start.

i have listened to several youtubes of david's talks and found them exciting, invigorating and cutting edge. his spirituality for the "left half of your brain" matches well with the wisdom depth sincere speak of his heart. there is one point, i was ecstatic (and like relieved, i mean, "finally!") to hear about which i will address today. there was another chick on youtube who also spoke of a vivid dream with the democratic nominee being a man. it was said that this person had a special book which dealt with manifesting. a technology that he had access to. she was at a table with several beings and a large book was on the table. she felt so strongly about her dream she put it on youtube months ago but i no longer have the link and can’t find it.

i keep being really surprised more "spirit" folks aren't picking up positively on obama. as david has mentioned, obama seems to be quite active in dreamtime and i have seen obama several times (in dream) and he seems to meet regularly with folks up there, say thank you at critical junctures completed and make further plans of action. so i was really surprised to see so many people (not just here, lots of places) so lukewarm to downright negative.

[something i noticed on this blog in particular was the constant reference to obama being illuminati.... (yes, yes 13th cousin to cheney aside)... i mean, really are there any black people deep in the inner circles on the illuminati? really? i could have sworn it was all/mostly white folks. (blue eyed blonde being thee best) i mean, i am kinda laughing again... i am not being rude... i don't know... maybe that was kinda of naive question? it's just been my experience and understanding that if you got a little color, you’re not really ever gonna get "in" with groups such as that. i just laugh... hey... maybe affirmative action is working!! ok... moving on...]

so, i too, get very clearly that it would be very useful to have obama in office to go through 2012. i base this on my own interpretation of my own data of 1) intuition 2) dreamtime 3) aura flash.

intuition-self explanatory. dream: i will share one. from april 17, 2008.

in dream, i am half waking up and i say to my dad (as he is entering the house), "i am right in the new world i dreamed, right where i want to be where everything is as i wished." ("wished" being: there was a peace and happiness. people interacted with each other in calm and present momentness. many had jobs and homes and purpose that fulfilled them and everyone was excited about the future. picture this: a 20-40% increase in life quality across the broad in most major areas related to living and functioning in society for most had come to pass already. so much had changed for the better so far, and yet, all knew it was going to and continuing to improve and get better. so there was hope and fulfilled expectation.) and what i saw was that obama was president. (in the dream, i seem to understand that, him being president, was one of the major points to drawing this picture together.) it continues....

.... misty, cloudy... and i can see obama's other self-- a thin, tall being with a 2-3 foot neck. graceful, wise, kind, patient and slow. several of his race (of starperson) were there in a clump. all with long necks signifying ability to gather vision. this particular star race (i knew) was renowned throughout much of the universe for its ambassadorial, leadership and mediator skills. there are often sought after for these areas in cases where much is at stake. it could be said, "their long necks allowed them to "see far" while their feet skill walk upon a grounded surface."

as the three or so of them walked toward me, the one in front, who i knew to be obama’s soul said, "we have our heads in the clouds so that we can see where we are going." take that phrase in for a second.

i had such a sense of wonder... happiness to really have made it here.

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anyway, so i really can't see what people are being so sluggish about. i know this is long, but bare with me... i am actually looking around and i am not sure everyone sees the train coming. and i am a bit like... "ok people."
hello, we blink and let that mccain train hit us and i don't think it's gonna be a pretty picture at all. so if any of this can help motivate people with gifts into serious gear i am happy to write it.

this is why i was so glad to hear someone else was getting the obama info... please don't anyone take this the wrong way, but obama seems so "bright/ loud/ clear" etc... i can't see why more people don't see him.... one way or another... with their hearts or their minds or dreams or you’re just tired of bush.... i hear the polls have it pretty close…. i’m like…”how?”

one thing that really also confirmed it for me was before dreams. aura flash. obama and clinton debates. i think this is worthy to mention: it was only in response to people in the audience responding/ resonating with a truth spoken by obama. to be clear, i never saw it as a "power up" to respond to clinton. (i feel this to be a very important detail of positive integrity which i won't go into ) he would speak about something that he really believed in with passion from his heart and with strength (because it was a debate)... if/as the audience affirmed his statement i saw his aura go out and brighten. (i could go on as to my understanding as to why it does that, but this post is sooo long already) . anyhow, i saw this twice in separate debates so if i’d missed it once, i definitely got it the second time. no i don’t see auras all the time.

ten (10) weeks... for anyone still out there listening. i hope this didn't come off preachy or off topic. i really hope it will get people focusing and lending their energy and strength and attention at the critical junctures to help push in the new world... sometimes there at "handles" or anchors or highly concentrated synchronic points- that it is useful to focus on and singularly really pin down. big picture- good. however, sometimes it is useful to nail down the tent spikes, yes?

that is all... hope i have not bored you all too much. :0)

much love

darlyne
hi darlyne!!!!!!! yesterday was my first day on the blog. just read your post (no boredom!!!), not knowing 'twas you...at the end i find your name.....just love it...and your energy.....:-)).....this is from germany.....guess you'll know who?..:-))..remember ny/convergence.......
obama is very much appreciated and loved by most everybody here!
peace, love and joy! :-)

[mmariebored]

wow, what a speech, the history that he bridged, the connections made by the choice of words, the heart felt truth that he spoke that many of us may have thought at times or spoke of in small groups. it was so wonderful to witness a leader, that stepped up and spoke from the heart.

president obama addressed tensions between the u.s. and muslims in a speech in cairo, egypt. 6/04/2009

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/06/04/dcl.wedeman.obama.cairo.cnn?iref=mpvideosview

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/06/04/dcl.wedeman.obama.cairo.cnn?iref=mpvideosview


much love and healing felt in this speech. i hope others felt the same.

there is an opportunity for positive change.
i completely agree, and i was happy to hear some of his choice wording such as:
"when innocents in bosnia and darfur are slaughtered, that is a stain on our collective conscience." - obama

it seems he and his team are very capable of thinking on much higher levels than many past presidencies.

the only part i found fault with is when he implied that liberals have a problem with muslim women's hair covering. i think the correct information is that people have a problem with the fact that muslim women are forced to wear hair coverings or they suffer grave consequences. there is no "choice" in the matter, even though he used the wording "she chooses to wear". the more relaxed families allow their daughters more freedoms, but that's a small percentage. my (future?)brother-in-law is muslim and he "allows" my sister to wear her hair out. of course, i always tell her "for now..." lol.

it would have been nice for him to have touched on how wrong and insane it is to mutilate baby girl's private areas(circumcision) so that they are not allowed to know the pleasures of creating children, as men do, only to know the pain of child-birth. but i suppose that would not have fit into the peace-making theme. he's doing what needs to be done, he's really not "superman".

[Jetamus]

on a lighter note, has anyone seen the news about obama seeing his heiroglyphic twin?

check it out:
http://www.republicansforobama.org/?q=node/6705

its pretty amazing that he's over there - like richard c hoagland said "it all comes back to egypt".
http://wysinger.homestead.com/barackandthepyramiddude.jpg

[Truth180]

who would a thought :)

[Buvy]

lol lol lol

[Nomadess 2012]

i agree with you mozart. feel like we are at a still point and waiting for something to 'pop'. i have a feeling of calm about all of this. i also have a knowing that something is coming and it is no small thing. :cool:

i feel this exact same way. something is coming, it is big, but i have a feeling of calm about it. i'm glad to hear someone else has the same feeling. anyone else??

[LoveWins]

i feel this exact same way. something is coming, it is big, but i have a feeling of calm about it. i'm glad to hear someone else has the same feeling. anyone else??

yep count me in.... i feel something in the "air" but i can't say i have a feeling of when. just feels like it's certainly this year.

[Truth180]

i feel this exact same way. something is coming, it is big, but i have a feeling of calm about it. i'm glad to hear someone else has the same feeling. anyone else??

been feeling it all week to.

[mmariebored]

it's funny because obama was clearly kidding about that picture looking like him, but you know the media...

(his ears are not that big at all)

[xlsander]

finally, a world leader spreading the message of similarities, respect and love -
(thanks barack you have my absolute support) now what it still takes is for us, the people of the world to adapt and live by these values - btw interesting article...

[mmariebored]

the reason obama has to keep the code about 9/11 is because of the social unrest and franky uproar it would cause should the truth come out now. it's all a matter of timing and keeping the peace. for the same reason he has to play the christian card while trying to bridge together the other religions.

[onething]

i know i am besotted with obama but i am constantly reading into what he does and says, and what he does not say and do, in terms of strategy. he's playing a long game. he's a master chess player it seems to me.

someone said:


keep in mind that, in terms of incarnational aspects, anyone who is "groomed" for the position, like obama, for playing out the "anti-christ" position that would serve the final blow to the common people and the final victory could actually do a total flip-flop against the elites in favor of the people, due to the high-level of soul evolvement on obama's part.

i'd like to point out that the bible is a topsy-turvy book, and sometimes mean the opposite of what it says or implies. there is a tremendous amount of negativity mixed in the bible, especially the old testament. in revelation, the picture of jesus is very different than in the rest of the new testament, painting him as vengeful and full of wrath. therefore, i know that the book of revelation is probably channeled by a negative entity. this does not mean the book hasn't value. it may be insightful or prophetic about the events of our time, but it probably has lies thrown in.

so there may be such a leader in these last days as obama, but he may only be an antichrist in the sense that the fundamental extremists would view any really good person with uplifting views and spirtuality as an antichrist. i am sure they would view david as an antichrist. in other words, what i am saying is that the entity who channeled revelation knew who his audience would be - not the positive people but the narrow and negative ones. i once told a coworker i did not believe in hell because i felt god was too good to do anything like that. she reacted like she just saw a rattlesnake. she took a step back, and told me in no uncertain terms that i would go to hell, apparently, for not believing in it. the god she believes in is not the one i know, and a great world leader that i love would be regarded as an antichrist by her.

in other words, the charismatic leader named in revelation may have been framed.

i get the feeling foreigners are more in touch with who obama really is than americans, although let us remember he has a 65% approval rating.

certainly obama has quietly taken on the persona of a world leader from the moment of his election speech.

then, the prayer at his inauguration by that guy who got so much uproar was fantastic, and included the whole world.

the cairo speech made me high for hours. yes, i think that he is strategically not provoking resistance by mentioning that wearing the women's garb is very much not voluntary in several countries, but he was referring to western countries trying to outlaw it, i think. sometimes, the women themselves do think it is a choice. ditto female circumcision. if he plays his cards right, those things will take care of themselves. it is a far better strategy to uplift people through cooperation than try to meet certain things head on.

unless obama falls for some unimaginable temptation and has a huge spiritual fall, he is not going to betray us.

p.s. hello joy, i remember you from the conference.

[mmariebored]

the cairo speech made me high for hours. yes, i think that he is strategically not provoking resistance by mentioning that wearing the women's garb is very much not voluntary in several countries, but he was referring to western countries trying to outlaw it, i think. sometimes, the women themselves do think it is a choice. ditto female circumcision. if he plays his cards right, those things will take care of themselves. it is a far better strategy to uplift people through cooperation than try to meet certain things head on.

i agree with this and i believe he did address the most important issue which is a woman's right to have an equal education. this was most definitely strategic, the logic behind this being that an educated woman will eventually find her own way out of her slavery. the reason it has to be like that is that, you're right, these women do believe they are making their own choices, but the choices are surrounded by fear tactics and brainwashing guiding them to their decision. women are purposely kept uneducated, needless to say. men naturally enjoy power, it's one of the biggest reasons religions have grown to the size they have, because it feeds those primal desires. i know that sounds sexist but i'm sure if the tables were turned and this were a female dominated planet, the female-favoring religions would be as widely spread as the male-favoring ones here on planet earth. the only way to have peace on a planet is to have equal rights for both sexes and all races, and to never teach religious beliefs as facts.

[Poemind]

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in other words, the charismatic leader named in revelation may have been framed.



wow! these are my thoughts exactly. one should read daniel quinn's "the story of b" to put the idea of 'antichrist' into perspective. the spirit of 'anti-christ' may well be exactly what this world needs.

[LoveWins]

onething, that is an interesting theory and one i have never thought of.... i used to be an avid bible reader back in the day ( like 30 years ago lol) but i chose to leave the christian path and embrace a broader version spiritually speaking that felt right to me. anyway, something to chew on , thanks.

okay, i admit, i am besotted at this point to by obama. and i am still trying really hard to remain neutral even as i feel his intentions are totally positive. the reason i want to stay neutral in position while still sending him supporting, loving vibrations is because i guess i'm naturally leery of the whole political arena at this time and i know the forces he is up against. ( by means of threatening those he loves , since i don't "read" him as one who would cave in to the money tempations, in my humble opinion) .

but the cairo speech... yes!!! i was sooo pleased and uplifted and giddy from it. i do wish that the u.s. as a nation could say that we are a country that contains persons of all faiths. i feel like obama has to walk a fine line in that area and i don't know about anyone else, but i'm not really picking up that he's truly so much christian , but rather favors a mixture of all major religions and takes the jewels of each one to shape his spiritual views.. again, just my opinion, not trying to offend any christians on board here :-)

he seems to have a true respect for all religions and most certainly the right to choose.

anyway, i am sending him positive, protective, loving energy every single day. i cannot do otherwise. this is the first president in my life ( and i'm a white 44 year old married living in the bible belt south woman .. lol) who i can truly say has made me feel proud again of our leader.

time will tell if he continues this path , but as david said in his blog,something to the effect that regardless of what you believe, the ripple effect, how he stirred so many with his speech will have it's own positive vibrations flowing out , and has the potential to present a quantum leap just based on that fact.

peace be with you all .. :-)

lovewins ( sherry)

[PokerPlayer123]

nwo or not, i have never heard any person so eloquently express the law of one (speech to muslim world) as it relates to this "space/time nexus".

1love

[nedflanders]

i thought everyone should see this article and get opinions on it's veracity and implications. this article has gotten my emotions stirred. :) here (http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/7093/52/)
hi-diddlely-o

[blitteaur]

ned, that was interesting link. i hope it is correct. i have heard from several sources that anti-rockefellar/fed banking interests would like to put the fed out of business, back the currency with gold and silver, and allow all of these new technologies for energy to be put in place. we do indeed live in interesting times.

[kristinasophia]

so the hijab is a women's free choice in most muslim countries. this is a fact. please ask a muslim women. westerners seldom understand this. i travel to egypt, syria, and jordan regularly. obama spoke the truth. saudi arabia and afganistan are the exceptions not the norm.

[Felicatra]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/16/plan-gives-fed-sweeping-power-over-companies/?feat=home_headlines

"the federal reserve, already arguably the most powerful agency in the u.s. government, will get sweeping new authority to regulate any company whose failure could endanger the u.s. economy and markets under the obama administration's regulatory overhaul plan."

[xlsander]

the regulation of large derivatives companies is not necessarily a negative issue if you ask me it is the opposite as long as the department in the fed overlooking this is following the intention of seriously monitoring and to step in before too large damage is done - especially with derivatives this can happen unbelievably quick...

[xlsander]

the plan would also expand the role of the treasury department.

for example, obama will call for the creation of a council of regulators chaired by the treasury secretary to work alongside the federal reserve to monitor system-wide risk, the administration official said.

in addition, obama will propose the establishment of a new watchdog agency that would aim to protect consumers from deceptive or dangerous mortgages, credit cards and other financial products.
0:00 /3:48consumer protection coming

the new consumer agency would take on some powers that currently reside with other regulators like the fed. it will also have the power to make rules and enact them, as well as the ability to inspect "banking and nonbanking" firms, the official said.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/16/news/economy/regulatory_reform/index.htm?postversion=2009061619

[aqcheryl]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/16/plan-gives-fed-sweeping-power-over-companies/?feat=home_headlines

"the federal reserve, already arguably the most powerful agency in the u.s. government, will get sweeping new authority to regulate any company whose failure could endanger the u.s. economy and markets under the obama administration's regulatory overhaul plan."

heres a thought though - what about kicking the bankers out of the reserve and making it be run by non-bankers. if getting rid of the reserve was not an option.

so giving the reserve more power would be a good thing if the bankers were not running it - then the bankers would be under the microscope.

indeed, being that it was shown the banks are what did it...

[transiten]

gosh!

what a strange "midsummer eve" (two days earlier in sweden because of the holiday following and monday workingday following the true midsummer eve)
i spent the day alone though most pple gather. i try to stay away from problemoriented pple, i recieve a phonecall from a woman i don't know searching for a friend of mine who visited me a while ago telling me about those nigerians who said obama is deluding us all and the woman starts to talk negatively about obama and when i try to hang up she just continues with nibiru and the annunaki:eek: and when i post about this the post is denied..

i then google and find this obama deception video, start watching, go to bed and watch the rest this morning and realize this is the conspiracytheory david gets all the hatemails from. watching this comparision to hitler, stalin and mao and the overall "tone" of the video just made me sick. what is the intention?

it's like the universe is testing me. my dentist wanted me to make some investment in moneyexchange and some other "pensionscheme"... what does "the law of attraction" say about this?

i really try to stay positive, be as kind as i can even when i feel down and i get invaded by all kind of negativities all the same. my friends are sick, depressed or worcaholics, money i invested in a company that i really trusted are stuck because the owner died. just want to run into the arms of mother nature with my beloved dog pajazzo. seems like my 87-year old father is the most positive contact i have and though he is rather unaware he's all the same open to my worldview and spiritual interests.

feel like my "faith" is tested, any hopeful thoughts and support is welcomed.

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[transiten]

already feel better which i just wrote in another post! reading my own post through here time showed 21.12 when i finished.. dc-forum is a great therapist with or without knowing it!

happy summer solstice once again and let the sun shine in...

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[DGCrow]

this is directed primarily to transiten. i can relate to what you were saying about all the negative stuff coming at you in general and about obama in particular.

i am glad to hear you are already feeling better. on the 19th i declared on my page of a social networking site that i was boycotting, indefinitely, all news! being an extreme (and unhealthy) view, i have quickly relaxed that posture and i, too, am feeling better. i just didn't want to hear all that stuff anymore, not necessarily because i didn't agree, but because i felt like i was being attacked/tested. hopefully i am learning what i need from this.

and, yes, i will enjoy my weekend in the country..........

doug

[transiten]

well thanks dgcrow!

by the way "crows" have surrounded me lately, they were "crowing" a lot in the evening in our common backyard, a crow followed me and my doggie the other day and today i happened to watch a crow sitting on the roof for quite a time when i was still low. just minutes after i took an initiative and borrowed a mobilecharger (symbolic)from a neighbour and then i called a mobilenumber to a woman who wants to rent a room and i really need that money now...

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[xlsander]

hi everyone,

i would like to ask you guys about your opinion to obama
and the iran conflict situation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090622/ap_on_re_us/us_us_iran_13

while the french and german leaders have demanded a recount, obama stays more passive - and i would like to hear opinions on why that is so.

what we assume to be right is that germany's merkel and france's sarkozy are affiliated with illuminati structures - however personally i would not know exactly to which of the fractions we can count them in...

what we know is that obama has made a significant move with his cairo speech motivating people, especially the young in the third world.
in particular i am referring to obama's statement that he will support any government for the people by the people - and we know almost every muslim country (but palestine which democratically elected hamas)
doesn't have that kind of a government.

we know ahmadineschad left his country right after the election
to visit an old friend (as he put it), putin in russia.

so, we know the bush/neocons/rothshild fraction has been carefully working on constructing feuds and influence in the eastern world - with iraq, the arab oil allies - afghanistan and the neocons seem to have been working on a strategic position for their goal which appears to be china und russia.

we know the georgia war did not work out well for them - wince it did not end in a war. we assume the north korean situation is a rothschild act
(of desperation?).

now, what could it be that obama is taking things slow on ahmadineschad who seems to have putin as some kind of an ally - and why are the german and french leaders so clear about their demand for a recount?

thx for your inputs friends!

be well and much love

alex

[Rhonda]

greetings xlsander, first, i send love to this region to find their truth and to follow their heart.

as the events are sad and the questions are there to be answered and asked, the people or iran are being heard and they have our attention and thoughts of a peaceful outcome.

as i observe, the history of the bush - gore election and process comes to mind. i don't think the us was up to other countries suggestion of what was being played out on the networks. it was a period that we all started to pay attention and not just sit back and watch. we saw false actions, questionable processes and learned that we did not want to experience this type of un-balance again.

is this a big awkening for the people of iran, for the people of earth, ...for all of us? we can judge, make assessments, assume, but i believe we must trust those that are there, and have faith that these acts and actions will bring the truth out and growth will come.

send love, lots and lots of love from neighbor to neighbor.

any open comments from heads of countries, i hope expresses their love and support that a peaceful resolution will come. no force, no demands, just support and faith that the people of iran will find what they seek, all of them, so that life can be and grow as one.

[Saïd]

while the french and german leaders have demanded a recount, obama stays more passive - and i would like to hear opinions on why that is so.

now, what could it be that obama is taking things slow on ahmadineschad who seems to have putin as some kind of an ally - and why are the german and french leaders so clear about their demand for a recount?


no idea about the french and german agenda in this case, but it might be that america / obama is playing for time. maybe it is because america is "burning at both ends" these days and has too many issues on the plate to address this one.

just a guess...

[Love dont hurt]

watch this and u think 4 yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls1-tu1jq8a&feature=related

[MarkM]

watch this and u think 4 yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls1-tu1jq8a&feature=related

well, rachel's playing the devil's advocate here, it seems! she speaks for many who suspect obama of being a sneaky pawn of the negs in that she chooses to construe a negative interpretation of obama's speech regarding the 'prolonged' detention of those sworn to kill americans.

something to consider - an intrinsic role of any national leader is guardianship of the people from outer threat. obama cannot be expected to be exempt from this expectation, and as the geneva convention has long been in place to attempt to govern the humanity and dignity of prisoners of war, there is the necessity of dealing with the prisoner issue in a transparent and well considered way.

there have always been prisoners of war; what differs is the means by which pows are handled by the other side in a conflict. the bush administration operated beneath the radar of congressional and public oversight in a way which was indeed 'messy' as pertains to clarity and visibility of legal and humanitarian process. obama, faced with the political necessity of inheriting much that involves matters of national security and other sundry third density requirements of his office, seems to me to be attempting to optimize as best as is possible the unavoidable fact that there are a few in guantanamo who have displayed the long term resolution of killing innocent civilians.

it seems to me that obama, while being unavoidably enmeshed in the many secondary and tertiary requirements of his office, may yet be solidly and pointedly focused on the end game - this end game having to do with the very much wider scope of facilitating the opportunity for humanity to bust out into a whole new age of harmonic interaction between ourselves and with our environment. i've seen absolutely no convincing evidence to the contrary. mark

[Patracia]

now, what could it be that obama is taking things slow on ahmadineschad who seems to have putin as some kind of an ally - and why are the german and french leaders so clear about their demand for a recount?

thx for your inputs friends!

be well and much love

alex[/quote]

hi alex,

i guess he's just too smart to do it at this moment of time...
there must have been many people who also voted for ahmadineschad (country people, religious people, elderly ones)....who might just a tiny little bit have pondered his kairo speech about the sovereignity of their country and by that not being totally against him.
if at this moment of a very delicate new way of communicating he would again use former us politics of "we know it all and better", "this election can't be rightful", he would endanger this very "young plant" and the seeds he has sown would die...
i feel he is very wise in hesitating here...any rush uttering of opinions might just lead to boiling emotions in that country once again....

as i never was a very politically inclined person this may sound naive...but they are my gut feelings.....

take care,
patricia

[meganarline]

if you look hard enough you can find negativity or "evil" and something you don't like in everyone, just as if you look hard enough you can find love and positivity and something redeeming in everyone. it's your choice.

happy looking everyone.

:)megan

[lebowski san]

i believe putin is preceived as an ally of iran because of their trade agreements regrading technology and oil.

however, i see the president of the us and a tredding upon a very thin line here. their seems to be a lot of grandstanding from iran and a degree of passive agressiveness from the west. don't forget the dprk isn't exactly a group of happy campers either. obama has his work cut out for him, that is for sure. he hasn't become like bush yet. but only time will tell.

[Truth180]

obama does have alot on his hands. to me i think he knows that other leaders of their countries need to take on thier own responsibilities and not for us to get involved when the people of their country want truth. what ever it is, it really don't matter the people or making their own stand. at the same time obama wants unity/peace with everyone. he wants people to make thier own choices for once in this country and else where. it's up to the people for unity and peace. no one is to blame but ourselves. :)

[blitteaur]

will somebody please tell me what obama is up to? i know david believes he has good intentions and i hope he is right. but let's look at what has been going on.

1) he is given total authority to the federal reserve to run the economy. they can decide by themselves whether or not any particular company is playing ball and penalize them, fire the executives or shut them down.

2) congress has no authority to audit, oversee, or override any fed decisions / actions. ron paul has some momentum regarding a movement to audit the fed, but i don't see obama backing it. the fed has become a loose cannon accountable to no one. remember it is not part of our federal government, does not have its own reserves and is not a bank. they are in charge of printing money and loaning it to our treasury while charging interest which we the taxpayers will never be able to pay.

3) he is intensifying the war effort in afghanistan and pakistan. does this have anything to do with the lucrative poppy trade which has only gotten much larger since we entered afghanistan? control of pakistan nukes?

4) new legislation regarding internet regulation and being penalized for irritating or upsetting someone. they are worried about someone's feelings getting hurt, but they have no problem sending tens of thousands of troops overseas resulting in thousands and thousands of innocent citizens perishing. i try not to offend anybody when i chat, but i wouldn't be surprised if there are people who might be offended by a great insightful websight, maybe even this one.

do you think he was forced to appoint all of these cabinet and advisory personnel in order to keep the peace and avoid being the next deceased president?

any comments would be appreciated.

[Saïd]

will somebody please tell me what obama is up to? i know david believes he has good intentions and i hope he is right. but let's look at what has been going on.
[snip]
i try not to offend anybody when i chat, but i wouldn't be surprised if there are people who might be offended by a great insightful websight, maybe even this one.
ok, here's my 2 cents. whatever he is up to – many people have stated that it's not about him but about us. obama himself has often referred to the people and how we can make a change.

so regardless what he seems to be doing now (and maybe he really is not that much at liberty to do what he thinks is right), the point for each of us may be to stand in our own right, no matter what obama does, no matter what anyone else does, no matter if david wilcock continues to bring us all this information.

i for one feel i basically have read enough stuff on either side, and now it's time to really get going, act as an empowered being, detach from the drama and shine my light 24/7 if possible.

my heart goes out to those guys being sent overseas, and maybe if they all knew how to spread the light, they could make a huge difference in the areas they are going to, turning a control & combat mission (as which it might be viewed by any sceptical observer) into a truly peace-bringing presence. trouble is, most military folks are being indoctrinated into "them or us" (that's what military is all about).

anyway, the potential to be a beacon in these seemingly troubled times is always there for each of us, and the more people get on this train, the better. let obama do whatever he must do, positively or negatively. care for your own vibratory level. that's what it all comes down to and if your stay at divine cosmos has this one effect, then all of dw's work shall not have been all in vain.

[Ewhaz]

i have been reading all the articles on rumor mill news concerning all the stuff happening as of late. to be honest, it can become quite disturbing at times and it seems it is only getting worse. so i thought about it, what exactly is going on? because the other side of the story on rmn is that they occasionally post enlightened material that's being channeled from some where out there. while i can't vouch for the authentication of what they say, i can say this. they all agree on one simple fact, stuff is getting harder because we are closer to making the shift to the next realm. overall their message has been supportive and positive and often times i find it refreshing to come across amidst all the negative news on rmn.

what is obama doing? it seems he's working against everything we hope to see on some level, working towards enslaving the americans or at the very least, allowing it or helping it along even faster than the negative elite could have hoped for. i realized that this is a good thing. so lets discuss what may be coming about weather by design or by foolish error of arrogant elitism.

there was an old story i was told in high school biology. set a frog in a pan of room temperature water, and turn on the heat. the frog, due to the slow change in temperature, never realizes whats happening until he's dead. one change from one moment to the next is too small to set off the internal alarm to have him rush off to safety. if you put him in a pan of hot water, he jumps out, the change in temperature is great enough to set off the alarm and have him hop away.

in many ways, this is what we are seeing now. the american people are up in arms, revolution is being whispered in the halls and back alleys.. change is on the wind, every one can feel it. we are all waiting for some great catalyst to come along and set off the whole shebang. this coming 4th, more protests are said to be planned. and all because obama seems to be moving at a pace that baffles every one, however, even though bush was doing much the same thing people were still too foolish or afraid to admit to what was happening. the change is being too great to ignore and people are waking up!

waking up, that's what this strife and angst is all about. we are being subjected to change so that we become aware of the greater agenda in government and the corporate and negative elite. questions are beginning to be asked, probing deeper and deeper. some of this stuff is coming to the surface like never before. eventually, it will become common knowledge about whats been going on. all because of obama's administration. now, weather he's doing this on purpose, or if this is all a result of some nefarious 2nd agenda i cannot say.. but the end results are the same.

one last thing i realized. for every force there is an equal and opposite reaction. the further this grows, the greater the catalyst for change. we are being asked to wake up from the game, like a dream that drops you off a cliff to spring you back awake. things may get bumpy, but so long as i realize the intent of it all, i slowly begin to relax and realize that our time of struggle is almost up.

peace and blessings all.

[Sandy]

will somebody please tell me what obama is up to? i know david believes he has good intentions and i hope he is right. but let's look at what has been going on.

1) he is given total authority to the federal reserve to run the economy. they can decide by themselves whether or not any particular company is playing ball and penalize them, fire the executives or shut them down.

2) congress has no authority to audit, oversee, or override any fed decisions / actions. ron paul has some momentum regarding a movement to audit the fed, but i don't see obama backing it. the fed has become a loose cannon accountable to no one. remember it is not part of our federal government, does not have its own reserves and is not a bank. they are in charge of printing money and loaning it to our treasury while charging interest which we the taxpayers will never be able to pay.

3) he is intensifying the war effort in afghanistan and pakistan. does this have anything to do with the lucrative poppy trade which has only gotten much larger since we entered afghanistan? control of pakistan nukes?

4) new legislation regarding internet regulation and being penalized for irritating or upsetting someone. they are worried about someone's feelings getting hurt, but they have no problem sending tens of thousands of troops overseas resulting in thousands and thousands of innocent citizens perishing. i try not to offend anybody when i chat, but i wouldn't be surprised if there are people who might be offended by a great insightful websight, maybe even this one.

do you think he was forced to appoint all of these cabinet and advisory personnel in order to keep the peace and avoid being the next deceased president?

any comments would be appreciated.


i am wondering why obama seems more willing to help the banks and the u.s. auto industry than the state of california which is in a dire situation right now. i understand that california's problems have been largely of its own making. however, so have the problems of the banks and the auto industry. they received bailouts anyways. now many the the state's employees will be receiving i.o.u.s. welfare and health services may be cut, putting many, including small children, out on the streets.

david wilcock believes obama will work for the higher good of humanity. i really hope that is true myself. however, the contents of this post in addition to my own creates doubt in my heart. i am wondering if david wilcock, in one of his future messages, may be willing to address these concerns and offer an enlightening perpective. i would greatly appreciate that.

[Just Be]

will somebody please tell me what obama is up to? i know david believes he has good intentions and i hope he is right. but let's look at what has been going on.

there's this other guy (it's channeled material) that have consistently predicted world occurrences with accuracy, like dw has. his latest post explains about is going on with obama.

basically he saids that all is not as it seems and that there is a web of complexity with the illumanti. he sounds optimistic that obama knows what he's doing and the fed will be dismantled.

pm me for the link.

[aqcheryl]

this is directed primarily to transiten. i can relate to what you were saying about all the negative stuff coming at you in general and about obama in particular.

i am glad to hear you are already feeling better. on the 19th i declared on my page of a social networking site that i was boycotting, indefinitely, all news! being an extreme (and unhealthy) view, i have quickly relaxed that posture and i, too, am feeling better. i just didn't want to hear all that stuff anymore, not necessarily because i didn't agree, but because i felt like i was being attacked/tested. hopefully i am learning what i need from this.

and, yes, i will enjoy my weekend in the country..........

doug

i agree - i had to stop paying attention to the news myself. like you, i know whats going on, but i prefer to focus on positivity not doom and gloom and all that fear mongering. when i did, i had one social networking 'friend' try to tell me i was afraid, blind, and refusing to see the truth. ironic, isnt it?

[aqcheryl]

will somebody please tell me what obama is up to? i know david believes he has good intentions and i hope he is right. but let's look at what has been going on.

he is given total authority to the federal reserve to run the economy. they can decide by themselves whether or not any particular company is playing ball and penalize them, fire the executives or shut them down.


every time i see something bad "obama" is doing - and i put that in quotes because in reality obama doesnt have very much control over his administration, and yet when his administration does something we all tend to say obama - i get worried and let that negative stuff come through, but then i have to remember that we still dont know the end plan.

what i prefer to do in these instances is to remind myself to not assume the worst - look at it from another angle, all other angles no matter how hard it may be to find them. my thoughts on the fed reserve is that i remember hearing somewhere that they were changing the people who run it, and maybe that will make a difference.. i.e., infiltrate the enemies camp rather than facing off in an open field. if thats not whats happening then i never forget like david says, they cant succeed because we say they cant. eventually there will come a point where we say no, and all those fema camps and everything only will work as long as there are people willing to use them. but theres so many of our military that are against this, even with all the conditioning they are doing to make them separated from civilians. ontop of that i firmly believe we have a higher race(s) looking out for us and they will intercede - in fact they have been. i think the fed reserve is only as good as the dollar it stands upon - if we nix the dollar, it crumbles.

one other note is the fed reserve has to build up so big that it implodes on itself - thats possible this is whats happening here as well. they always make the mistake of greed, - more money, more power - that it never fails.
when a system builds up to the point it must be changed we change it.
read davids blog "the revealing" - http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=296&itemid=70

about 3/4ths down is a section titled "why "family" cannot collapse the economy" which discusses the theory of complex adaptive systems. here is an excerpt:


we now know that the more a system like this is driven towards instability, the more likely it is that it will suddenly re-arrange into a higher level of order. these changes cannot be predicted or scripted, but they do occur.

[PriestOfLight]

i think the fed is imploding.

by giving the fed more power he is allowing them to hang themselves (or do the right thing). the more power he gives the fed, the more abuse it will allow, the more light will shine on what is going on, and then finally the people will want to get rid of it.

i do this alot in my life. give someone enough rope and they will hang themselves i say.

paul

[lasimplereality]

on david's blog of 6/14/09, he mentions:

“as i’ve said before, the conspiracy media is saturated with propaganda to an unheard-of extreme. i have undeniable proof of this which i have not yet released, saving it for the right time, but i have decided that i will do so within a very short timeframe after returning from canada — not more than two weeks.”

unfortunately, i suppose he's' been to busy to give an update on this. i have also stopped listening to all the negative radio shows out there because don't think that's good for the soul; however, as much as i'd love to believe david that obama is good, i'm yet to see obama stand up for something that is good for humanity; granted, it could be because he might put himself in danger, so i remain skeptical about obama being as good as david claims; but i still visit this site hoping for some good news. as the cliche goes, every tree is known for is fruit, and i'm yet to see any good fruits from obama. but the tree is still young....

[Saïd]

what i see is that many people are getting frustrated with this man. so assume he's playing a game with the ptb, seemingly giving them what they want (with the hidden agenda of "giving them enough rope") – while that strategy may be understandable, it also involves a great risk since each day he is multiplying the people being p****d off by the hundreds if not thousands.

and with that, he is unevitably multiplying the number of "true patriotic" potential assassins – in addition to those nwo folks who may also be after him already.

i guess this 44th president is more at risk of being shot or dynamited than bin laden, the pope and several overseas dictators together. it's an interesting game he's playing.

isn't this really a sick world where nobody trusts each other and where nobody in that whole political circus seems to actually say what they mean?

[aqcheryl]

on david's blog of 6/14/09, he mentions:
however, as much as i'd love to believe david that obama is good, i'm yet to see obama stand up for something that is good for humanity

on the same token, i remind myself of just what hasnt he done is a sign. i see evidence that the nwo / elites are not getting as far as they would like. as soon as they came out their goal is to put everything into play, and they came out. but yet things they want havent been put into play yet - when it could have.

so i look yes at what hes doing that concerns me, but i also look at what hes not doing, that i know he could have done already by now.

[Saïd]

on the same token, i remind myself of just what hasnt he done is a sign. i see evidence that the nwo / elites are not getting as far as they would like. as soon as they came out their goal is to put everything into play, and they came out. but yet things they want havent been put into play yet - when it could have.

so i look yes at what hes doing that concerns me, but i also look at what hes not doing, that i know he could have done already by now.

so what are these things "he could have done but hasn't"? trouble is, nobody can see what is going on behind the scenes (not even jeff rense can).

so you see thwarted progress, so to say, with the nwo's agenda. can you specify what you'd expected to become reality which hasn't? could you give us a few examples of this?

[Ladan]

so what are these things "he could have done but hasn't"? trouble is, nobody can see what is going on behind the scenes (not even jeff rense can).

so you see thwarted progress, so to say, with the nwo's agenda. can you specify what you'd expected to become reality which hasn't? could you give us a few examples of this?

hello! there were horrible prognosis by rense and alex jones and similar in the past few years. just look in the archives. none which came true. all that fear and scear... for which nobody apologized to their readers and listeners. to focus only on negative is a waste of time, as this aproach misses the whole picture. and if you consider new sciense about our state of mind and how it affects our health ( lipton, braden and etc) ... looks like depopulation program spread from mainstream onto rense, aj , you name it.
peace!

[Saïd]

hello! there were horrible prognosis by rense and alex jones and similar in the past few years. just look in the archives. none which came true.
i have to admit i never followed rense & jones that much. it always repelled me strongly and when i did end up on rense following some external link, i really felt bad and did not know what to believe.


all that fear and scear... for which nobody apologized to their readers and listeners. to focus only on negative is a waste of time, as this aproach misses the whole picture.
and this not apologizing, this obvious lack of responsibility (again, i haven't followed them so i can only relate to what you're saying here) would indicate that these folks (rense et al) are not here to actually help their readers. it seems they actually sell "fear porn" as dw nicely put it.

still, i am very eager to watch what comes from this administration and if there will be some turning of the tide soon.

[aqcheryl]

so what are these things "he could have done but hasn't"? trouble is, nobody can see what is going on behind the scenes (not even jeff rense can).

so you see thwarted progress, so to say, with the nwo's agenda. can you specify what you'd expected to become reality which hasn't? could you give us a few examples of this?

imo, people still have the 2nd amendment. the masses are not being interred in fema camps. the internet is still going strong. things like this.

theres others, but that is enough to answer your questions. as ladan points out, there have been many of these, and none of which have come true.
the principle here is not that they will happen, because thats not whats being discussed. whats being discussed is that they havent happened yet, and to me, thats a positive sign. it means that the nwo is not as powerful as they think, and it means that obama just might be his own man. i look at what he does as opposed to what he says. and i dont hold him responsible for an administration he most likely has had no power to 'hire' anyways.

and to me, thats something to look at.

as i had previously written, i remain concerned about actions that do concern me, but im not going to blindly place blame on someone for actions they have not enacted. even with your most fierce opponent, you should always be fair, always see them for what they truly have done, and not what you envision them doing, so that you do not build them up in your mind to be any worse then what they truly are. this only hurts us in the end.

[Nomadess 2012]

i have an interesting thought and question about disinformation:

are some of the ones informing us of disinformation actually the ones spreading disinformation?!?!?

in these different and interesting times, we have to be especially discerning in what to believe. for example, i just read that regarding the iran elections, and that whole thing about ahmadinejad stealing the elections ...

background info: first, when the rioting broke out, i remember that much of it was posted on twitter, and that thanks to that, the world knew what was going on, since the iran government wouldn't allow any news coverage.

okay, well, what i just read now was, that cia psyops actually planted the story on twitter (prematurely) that mousavi had won the election ... in order to incite rioting when ahmadinejad was declared the winner??

gotta read further now and keep researching. that's the whole thing. "they" bank on the fact that we are all too busy to get to the bottom of things and find the truth.

[moderator note: we're starting to veer off topic - thread is for discussion of obama's contribution to collective enlightenment]

[Nomadess 2012]

[moderator note: we're starting to veer off topic - thread is for discussion of obama's contribution to collective enlightenment]

sorry! got off on a tangent. to bring it back, which is perfect ...

with all the disinformation out there about obama, from so many angles. gotta weed through it all and don't take anything anyone says without questioning it. if you actually listen to obama speak instead of listening to all the news analysis of when he speaks ... you see the difference. some people actually do that ... only watch the network news analysis of his speeches and think they are making an informed decision on what to believe about his speech, without actually having heard the speech.

he faces huge challenges and we all need to stay positive.

oh, i just remembered i had my first obama dream the other night!! i dreamed he was one of my roommates! and he came into my room to ask me a question ... i wish to god i could remember what it was. i was thinking how cool i am that one of my roommates is the president of the united states of america.

[Berry Chastain]

i continue to send energy of peace, strength and encouragement to our president. he is now surrounded by a very visible and verbal cloud/crowd of antagonistic individuals, groups and cabals determined to shed the worst possible light on what this man is attempting to do, which is to fulfill his pre-election promise of positive change. what has happened to all of the millions of people who were supporting this man with love and admiration only 12 months ago?

it seems that the public expects him to be a messiah with magical powers to snap his fingers and immediately manifest the change which he brought to our vision, like feeding 5000 with 2 loaves and 3 fishes. he is only human with a great vision to improve his country and its citizens. he must deal with 100 senators and 435 representative who each have their own agenda, plus numerous non elected people with their own interests and designs.

and then add all of the misinformation and distortions published and televised by the msm which only further deludes the people. considering all of the antagonism and hatred which he is dealing with, what he has been able to do has been shrouded so as not to be acknowledged. i tend not to believe what is released by the media regarding his activities and decissions because it is always slanted into a negative perspective.

and so as i said to begin with, i have and continue to feel intuitively a very strong positive aura around barak obama and continue to support him with prayers and highest intentions.

[FooSnik]

i have come to a total reversal of what i want out of him as a president.

ok get ready for this.... i actually want the man to be criminal and corrupt now.

let me explain. i think by him actually doing good things for us will slow down our growth. the ultimate goal i think is for us all to take responsibility for ourselves and our own destinies and not look outside ourselves for someone else to do it for us.

by him fulfilling this jfk or messiah expectation would lead us farther away from empowering ourselves.

by him turning out to actually be corrupt after all would then, finally, break us all from looking to government or jesus or anywhere outside ourselves for the answers and the power to control our destinies and create our own luck.

so, i hope the man turns out to be a silver tongued criminal corrupt lawyer.

for our own good.

[Matthew Clark]

foosnik,


i have come to a total reversal of what i want out of him as a president.

ok get ready for this.... i actually want the man to be criminal and corrupt now.

let me explain. i think by him actually doing good things for us will slow down our growth. the ultimate goal i think is for us all to take responsibility for ourselves and our own destinies and not look outside ourselves for someone else to do it for us.

by him fulfilling this jfk or messiah expectation would lead us farther away from empowering ourselves.

by him turning out to actually be corrupt after all would then, finally, break us all from looking to government or jesus or anywhere outside ourselves for the answers and the power to control our destinies and create our own luck.

so, i hope the man turns out to be a silver tongued criminal corrupt lawyer.

for our own good.

that is an amazing piece you wrote there!

i agree with it actually, though when i first started to read it i thought wt?

i think you have said something which has made me realise something i already know in myself. that is we cannot look to goverment/jesus/simon cowell etc to solve our problems. when we feel betrayed and let down, we have to look at the situation we face in a different way. in the ideal world maybe it would not be too bad a thing if he did come out and expose these interbred familes for who and what they are - though he probably would not last too long. on the other hand by not conforming to what the american people were expecting, many of you in that part of the world will have to start "thinking".

at the end of the day it is all too easy to get into the frame of mind "they" have done this or "they" have done that. we are all in this together and we need to figure it out. why have these small number of people got us into the situation we are in? because we let them! either way as your post suggests, it is a win win situation. lets hope it will sort itself out sooner rather than later as to be honest, i am soooo sick of this system we are surviving in.

love and light

matt

[onething]

no, i don't agree, foos. while it is true that it's imperative for the people to start to take some responsibility around here, what we have is a very dreary and long-standing discouragement of the people. society does still need leaders and they can't all be corrupt hypocrites. it's too discouraging.

[FooSnik]

no, i don't agree, foos. while it is true that it's imperative for the people to start to take some responsibility around here, what we have is a very dreary and long-standing discouragement of the people. society does still need leaders and they can't all be corrupt hypocrites. it's too discouraging.

be your own leader man.. that is my point. why do you need someone to lead you?

you don't.

[FooSnik]

foosnik,



that is an amazing piece you wrote there!

i agree with it actually, though when i first started to read it i thought wt?

i think you have said something which has made me realise something i already know in myself. that is we cannot look to goverment/jesus/simon cowell etc to solve our problems. when we feel betrayed and let down, we have to look at the situation we face in a different way. in the ideal world maybe it would not be too bad a thing if he did come out and expose these interbred familes for who and what they are - though he probably would not last too long. on the other hand by not conforming to what the american people were expecting, many of you in that part of the world will have to start "thinking".

at the end of the day it is all too easy to get into the frame of mind "they" have done this or "they" have done that. we are all in this together and we need to figure it out. why have these small number of people got us into the situation we are in? because we let them! either way as your post suggests, it is a win win situation. lets hope it will sort itself out sooner rather than later as to be honest, i am soooo sick of this system we are surviving in.

love and light

matt

yeah and by obama being a good guy and doing good things will just prolong this system. so let him be greedy and corrupt and let the whole thing fall down around us.

but we must learn to trust ourselves. we have the same power that obama does within us. this is the ulitmate lesson and by him being a nice guy is like putting a baby bottle in our mouths. in my opinion...

[PriestOfLight]

ah the world is our mirror is such a hard wisdom to consume. we are obama. obama is us.

we are that we are.

obama needs to wake up like the rest of us. i believe he is this countries mirror. he is still awakening. i see myself in obama. his beliefs. his idealogy. he shows me my flaws and sometimes my better side. if i need to wake up, then sure as a pig loves mud, he does too.

ron paul gave the most amazing speach on cspan today cocerning health care. i can't help but to think he is wide awake. he is definately a guiding light of principle and ethics and what they can accomplish. he walks to the beat of his own soul, not the beat of someone elses soul. he speaks his truth regardless of anyone elses opinion or pressure. i feel he is someone to aspire to in wisdom, ethics, and principle.

i noticed today that one of his financial cabinet members said we can not support "to big to fail" corporations. it is a major awakening in an important position in goverment. more are too come i am sure.

don't forget the universal law of balance. things have been swinging one way for too long. balance is being restored.

love and light

paul

[onething]

be your own leader man.. that is my point. why do you need someone to lead you?

i don't. but most people do, and society is too complex to lack organization. if everyone who runs the organization is corrupt, that isn't a good thing. but i do agree that obama is a two-way street. he may not be fighting hard enough for health care reform, but why aren't more people taking to the streets to be more forceful? we can't make him do all the work.

[Just Be]

i think many have miss the point in what david has been trying to tell us. i also believe obama is much wiser than we give him credit for.

you must realize that obama can not make any drastic change w/o congress. unfortunately, congress is still largely corrupt. if he did tried to, he'll be like ron paul - he'll have very dedicated supporters, but it's still not the majority. so in this aspect, not much will be accomplished. the matter of the fact is, obama needs to be on good terms with the status quo to get anything achieved.

i believe this is what david was trying to tell us before (please correct me if i am wrong). obama strategy is to seemingly satisfy the status quo. however, once the people voice their desires, he can adjust his position to satisfy the people. the thing is...the people needs to demand their rights in full force, which will give congress no choice but to do as the people wants b/c it proves that we are more powerful than the power elites. so to do this, obama must provoke us in a way that triggers enough anger that our voices be heard loud and clear.

remember in his cairo speech he mentioned about al qaeda (as if they were the reason for 9/11) but at the same time he directed a message to the nwo. this clearly shows that obama knows al qaeda is nwo. but he says this purposely to tick us off enough for us to do something.

and in his back to school speech, he purposely put vaccine makers on the pedestal...knowing very well that this is a huge concern for many americans right now. again, he is trying to provoke a reaction from us so that we can rally against vaccines.

also, remember earlier this year obama did not want to conduct criminal investigation on bush administration b/c he was afraid it would take focus off of other important issues. however, the people demanded it...and that was enough reason for obama to pursue it.

and obama have mentioned multiple times already that he alone can not make any changes...the future are in the hands of the people.

you see, all along...obama has been putting his own ego and popularity aside to trigger reaction in us to stand up for our rights...b/c he knows that's the only way change can occur in politics that is as corrupt as ours.

[FooSnik]

i don't. but most people do, and society is too complex to lack organization. if everyone who runs the organization is corrupt, that isn't a good thing. but i do agree that obama is a two-way street. he may not be fighting hard enough for health care reform, but why aren't more people taking to the streets to be more forceful? we can't make him do all the work.

who says the world can't be organized with us all being responsible for our own freedom and destinies? why not aim high? i think what you are thinking is i want to rip the table cloth out from under the dishes all of a sudden. but i am being patient. i am just saying our goal should be to live in a world in which we work together but at the same time we answer to none but ourselves.

and trust me.... in a world like that if you run around doing dirty stuff you will reap the consequences quick.

and i agree priestoflight.... we are obama. obama is us. obama is me.

[wrender]

i think many have miss the point in what david has been trying to tell us. i also believe obama is much wiser than we give him credit for.

you must realize that obama can not make any drastic change w/o congress. unfortunately, congress is still largely corrupt. if he did tried to, he'll be like ron paul - he'll have very dedicated supporters, but it's still not the majority. so in this aspect, not much will be accomplished. the matter of the fact is, obama needs to be on good terms with the status quo to get anything achieved.

i believe this is what david was trying to tell us before (please correct me if i am wrong). obama strategy is to seemingly satisfy the status quo. however, once the people voice their desires, he can adjust his position to satisfy the people. the thing is...the people needs to demand their rights in full force, which will give congress no choice but to do as the people wants b/c it proves that we are more powerful than the power elites. so to do this, obama must provoke us in a way that triggers enough anger that our voices be heard loud and clear.

remember in his cairo speech he mentioned about al qaeda (as if they were the reason for 9/11) but at the same time he directed a message to the nwo. this clearly shows that obama knows al qaeda is nwo. but he says this purposely to tick us off enough for us to do something.

and in his back to school speech, he purposely put vaccine makers on the pedestal...knowing very well that this is a huge concern for many americans right now. again, he is trying to provoke a reaction from us so that we can rally against vaccines.

also, remember earlier this year obama did not want to conduct criminal investigation on bush administration b/c he was afraid it would take focus off of other important issues. however, the people demanded it...and that was enough reason for obama to pursue it.

and obama have mentioned multiple times already that he alone can not make any changes...the future are in the hands of the people.

you see, all along...obama has been putting his own ego and popularity aside to trigger reaction in us to stand up for our rights...b/c he knows that's the only way change can occur in politics that is as corrupt as ours.

at one point i thought the same thing. president obama's hands are tied, so perhaps the best he can do is blatantly neglect the wishes of the people, to the point where they'll be disenchanted enough to do something about it. but this is back when he made the "let's look forward instead of backward" comment regarding torture prosecution. i figured he'd be endangering himself to persuit it, but it would outrage the left enough to force some type of significant action. the problem is, as i've been observing the mainstream left over at huffpo, they've decided to just "look forward" as well. they'd much rather demean republicans for exercising their right to protest and speak out. it's as if the liberal media outlets made the act of taking civil action into something only crazy people do.

also, regarding what he said in his cairo speech and the vaccine comment to the public schools. again, based on what i've been observing in the comments as huffpo, i'd have to disagree that it's having the effect you suggest. i just see more and more folks buying into the idea that it was al quaida, and that vaccines are a good idea. all it would take is a place like huffpo to run a story about someone like glen beck saying vaccines are dangerous, to sway most of it's readers into thinking "only crazy right wingers think vaccines are bad". so, unfortunately we're witnessing a culture where morals are being compromised simply because president obama indicates that it's ok. not the other way around.

so currently, i'm at the point where i agree most with foosnik. i think it will take failure on all fronts to awaken the public at large. maybe if president obama would turn his attention to someone like sibel edmonds we might see some real change that leads up to one heck on an awakening.

[Truth180]

lets have patience and we will see, i feel that there are some exciting things going on behind the scenes and is all only positive as david way saying. i think that the public is in for a positive awakening no matter what. does it matter how the awakening happens. it can happen in many other ways and not by drastic earth changes. have patience : )

[wrender]

lets have patience and we will see, i feel that there are some exciting things going on behind the scenes and is all only positive as david way saying. i think that the public is in for a positive awakening no matter what. does it matter how the awakening happens. it can happen in many other ways and not by drastic earth changes. have patience : )

i always appreciate that kind of perspective. i often feel the same, despite my post:) thanks truth!

[Just Be]

also, regarding what he said in his cairo speech and the vaccine comment to the public schools. again, based on what i've been observing in the comments as huffpo, i'd have to disagree that it's having the effect you suggest. i just see more and more folks buying into the idea that it was al quaida, and that vaccines are a good idea

hi wrender,

you say that more and more people are buying into the idea that al quaida is the reason for 9/11 and that vaccine is a good idea. the thing is...we all believed that before we were awakened to the truth. remember, we all have been lied ot all of our lives. for this reason, obama reiterating such concepts should have no affect on the majority.

but for those of us who are awakened, it leaves us with questions and uncertainty...enough so that we will march the streets and demand for the truth and our rights.

i agree with truth180 that we need to be more patient with obama. he has a big web of mess to sort through...and according to dw predictions, it seems like we have a positive future ahead...so obama must have done something right.

[onething]

foos,


who says the world can't be organized with us all being responsible for our own freedom and destinies? why not aim high? i think what you are thinking is i want to rip the table cloth out from under the dishes all of a sudden. but i am being patient. i am just saying our goal should be to live in a world in which we work together but at the same time we answer to none but ourselves.
ah, well, that is different. sure, that is the world we want. and in general i have found that super-sudden changes are too violent, so no ripping the table cloth out from under...

i merely feel that the people are already so tired and discouraged. i had decided not to vote any more at all, and i made an exception for obama, and even passed up ron paul to vote for him. i know my sister gave it one last shot, hoping obama might actually be sincere, and now she is through. she thinks our system cannot be saved within the rules. so maybe that is the sort of discouragement you think is needed. but i think it's a shame and am not so confident that mass discouragement and rage would get us to a good place.

[aqcheryl]

yeah and by obama being a good guy and doing good things will just prolong this system. so let him be greedy and corrupt and let the whole thing fall down around us.

but we must learn to trust ourselves. we have the same power that obama does within us. this is the ulitmate lesson and by him being a nice guy is like putting a baby bottle in our mouths. in my opinion...

i agree to a point.
yes, we need to responsible for ourselves, but no we do not need obama to be corrupt for us to learn this. i do not feel he will hinder us just by being good - if that is what it is.

we can say all day long how we need to be responsible for ourselves, but we still look for guidance from others, and support. thats part of being a community, and being of the one. and obama, is part of the one.

to say do it by yourself, imho, is what really caused further separation from oneness... it makes us individuals struggling our path blindly... alone. with no guides. right now, obama is a guide, to some - and i hope he will be a further guide to many later.

people need help, and not be stranded in the dark - and some do not even know how to take control of the situation. if the masses did, we wouldnt even be having this discussion. there is a reason why there are leaders - because they help guide us. it is our responsibility to utilize discernment and not blindly follow - but whereas blindly following is bad - following not blind is not.

we even see this reflected in nature - for example one stallion will lead the rest of the herd where they need to go - and there is no bias or corruption in this. each horse is still individual and responsible for keeping an ear out, and feeding themselves, but they also work as one.

[FooSnik]

foos,


ah, well, that is different. sure, that is the world we want. and in general i have found that super-sudden changes are too violent, so no ripping the table cloth out from under...

i merely feel that the people are already so tired and discouraged. i had decided not to vote any more at all, and i made an exception for obama, and even passed up ron paul to vote for him. i know my sister gave it one last shot, hoping obama might actually be sincere, and now she is through. she thinks our system cannot be saved within the rules. so maybe that is the sort of discouragement you think is needed. but i think it's a shame and am not so confident that mass discouragement and rage would get us to a good place.

tired?

mass discourgement is not what i am after. i am after a rebirth. i a new world. a new system. by obama being mr. nice guy will just prolong the inevitable destruction.

so i say... let it burn.

[FooSnik]

i agree to a point.
yes, we need to responsible for ourselves, but no we do not need obama to be corrupt for us to learn this. i do not feel he will hinder us just by being good - if that is what it is.

we can say all day long how we need to be responsible for ourselves, but we still look for guidance from others, and support. thats part of being a community, and being of the one. and obama, is part of the one.

to say do it by yourself, imho, is what really caused further separation from oneness... it makes us individuals struggling our path blindly... alone. with no guides. right now, obama is a guide, to some - and i hope he will be a further guide to many later.

people need help, and not be stranded in the dark - and some do not even know how to take control of the situation. if the masses did, we wouldnt even be having this discussion. there is a reason why there are leaders - because they help guide us. it is our responsibility to utilize discernment and not blindly follow - but whereas blindly following is bad - following not blind is not.

we even see this reflected in nature - for example one stallion will lead the rest of the herd where they need to go - and there is no bias or corruption in this. each horse is still individual and responsible for keeping an ear out, and feeding themselves, but they also work as one.

i am not saying that leaders cannot be benevolent and enlightened. i am saying this greedy, corrupt, capitalist system is too entrenched in the world, our hearts, and minds.

it has to go.

so be ready for the drama. cause it is coming. believe me.

[PriestOfLight]

heal yourself and heal the world. do not focus so much on obama and weather he is negative or positive. focus on yourself. heal that part of you that is the group collective consciousness and that will set things to a more harmonious space. i believe ra says this constantly through his teachings.

and remember that if enough people heal themselves, the 100th monkey effect will begin to blossom and eventually snow ball.

obama is going through his own evolution, working off his previous lifes karma, and awakening himself just as everyone else is.

let's give birth to a new baby earth. practice in our daily lives the things our souls guide us to do. become a teacher for the world not just through your words but by living them.

love and light

paul

[Nomadess 2012]

google it on cnn, npr, bbc ...

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wow!

feels good that the nobel peaceprize goes to obama! alfred nobel was the swede that invented the dynamite. unfortunately there was a terrible accident involved where several pple died. so it's a good thing that this prize also goes to promote peace.

i still don't know whether he will come to stockholm, if so i'm going to watch tv tomorow which i seldom do, i've been deeply engaged in the peacemovement as a singer, but to be honest i didn't have peace of mind at the time....i still don't but have come closer.

for sure, obama cannot do this alone; just think about your personal spehre....can you demand instant change from everybody around you, telling truths all the time?...you will end up like a hermit if you do.

saturn and mercury will soon enter libra the sign of cooperation where the sun is now in trine with jupiter in the futureoriented freedomloving sign of aquarius. neptune and kiron were trined by the moon in communicative gemini at 11am in stockholm, a beautiful caring/moon, healing/kiron, idealistic/neptune combination. mars in nurturing cancer trine inventive uranus in compassionate pisces also sextiles venus and saturn in virgo the sign of service, together with mercury trining the noth node the point where the intention of this prize is headed, in responsible structurebuilding capricorn.

excuse my astrological ramblings but this looks promising and will help obama and all of us turn this world around:)

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[transiten]

oooops! oslo that is! it's the norwegian nobelcomitté that "delivers" the peaceprize, obama goes to norway and the others and the others to stockholm.

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[Fardin]

so, i've been thinking this could be a maneuver to make all the saber rattling about iran die off. i'm not speculating about whether obama is with the good guys or not, but i mean even in the case he was forced by some higher powers to attack iran, how can he do that now that he has been given the nobel peace prize?

white hats political move?

[Matthew Clark]

obama has just won the nobel peace prize.

can i play devils advocate for a moment.:confused:

now i have to say that i do not watch the news and i only read the papers very occasionally so i may be well off in my knowledge here. i do however support david's positive view on all the things that are happening in this world we live in, however negative they may appear.

as i understand it, obama said last year that he was going to reduce the number of troops in afganistan if (back then) he got elected. from the little bits of information i have come across (excuse my ignorance) i understand that he has, in fact, increased the number of troops serving there. call me simple but does the fact that more troops means more fighting and conflict?

as he has been given the nobel peace prize - is that not a contradiction in terms? for a man who openly announces a reduction in the troops (to win the election?) how can a prize of peace be given to someone who has contributed to the cause of war?

that said, i am fully aware of the nwo agenda. i also understand that obama is treading a thin line. he may (and i hope he is) well be on the right side and is just playing the game. svali said that many of the illuminati would defect to the right side if it were not for the fact that they fear for their lives, and of their families if they were to leave.

am i right in saying that since obamas election to presidency, he has promised lots and has actually come up with not a lot?

perhaps i am missing a point here, i dont know. the only thing i will say is that if he is on the good side or the bad, i would not want to be in his shoes, either way.

right now i send him love in the hope that he is doing what he feels is the best for us all - at least i hope so!

matt

[Golden Mean]

so, i've been thinking this could be a maneuver to make all the saber rattling about iran die off. i'm not speculating about whether obama is with the good guys or not, but i mean even in the case he was forced by some higher powers to attack iran, how can he do that now that he has been given the nobel peace prize?

white hats political move?

we have a winner folks!! ;?)

i think this is exactly what this is about. independent of whether obama deserves this award or not is not nearly as important as the implications that it has on his "handlers" ability to push us towards war and conflict. bravo!

the political road to war just got a major speed bump put in! ... and i, for one, am pleased to see political moves for peace. (or any moves for peace for that matter)

peace, love & light,
~ will (aka golden mean)

[transiten]

llistened to an interview with george soros, the richest man on earth yesterday night. he has supported obama from the very beginning. he said that the war in afghanistan cannot be won but that the us now must withdraw in a tactical way, and that obviously includes sending more troups. sounds contradictory of course, but essentially this war is lost to the us.

i agree that obama has not effected all the things he promised, do you know of any politician that has? politics is a "dirty" game, i've been there, almost ended up as a politician for the green party and like matt i would not want to be in the shoes of any politician.

obama actually looked puzzled and not very happy adressing the world about his nomination. soros is the guy that many years ago wrote a bokk where he pointed out the flaws of the economical system; he used them to his advantage but also also gives away hughe amounts of money to "charity" and that's what obama also will do with the money.

this is a very smart move from the nobelcomitté to bring the good forces together for peace on earth. halleluja! i'm rehearsing händels messiah that will be performed by 4 choirs in january. hope obama will gradually grow into the prince of peace that will reign forever, and ever, halleluja, halle-e-lu-ja:)

by the way, norway has been elected by the un to be the best country to live in. until norway got their oil sweden always was the big brother making jokes about the norwegians, not so anymore;) also alexander rybak a young guy from norway with a russian mother won the european songcontest that has grown immensly the latest years. not that i usually like that kind of music, but some songs are quite good and he is some poitive injection, playing the fiddle and just taking everybody "with storm" with his own "fairytale".

and to end with some grim humour:d; after watching a doom and gloomvideo with the map of the world after the alleged passing of nibiru or whatever (suppose you know that david says that it's impossible for a planet like that to enter our solarsystem due to physics) sweden will be under water and only the high mountins of norway will be left. a reason for the underground cities built there? bill and kerry from proj. camelot went to meet a whistleblower in oslo about this but "something" stopped them, he was "evaporated".

singing the words of händel i transform them to the christ consciousness descending upon us and i was standing in the front of the window singing to the sungod ra: "for unto us a sun is given" and "his burthen is light" and my chest just opened up with immense joy and my tears were flowing.

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[atpcliff]

hi!

i read someone stating obama was not a natural born citizen...there is all this "birther" stuff about him not having a legitimate us birth certificate...he was born in kenya, etc.

part of this problem is many of us (including me) were taught incorrectly in school.

i was told that you have to be born in the us to qualify for president, as you have to be a natural born citizen.

there are two ways to be a natural born citizen:
1-physically be born in the us (not sure about territories and possessions)
2- one or more of you parents have to be a us citizen at the time of your birth.

so obama is a natural born us citizen, becuase obama's mother was a us citizen at the time she gave birth to him. end of story. where he was born does not matter!!!

cliff
nairobi
ps-being a dual citizen (or a citizen of 3 or more countries) is legal, and is irrelevant to whether or not you are a natural born us citizen.

[billybobbutterball]

hi,atpcliff

it ain't that simple.

for the the citizen mother to qualify in giving birth status she must be at least 18. she was not at the time.

unfortunately for simplicities sake that is just one out of several complications fogging the issue.:confused:

best, etc. 'anonymous':rolleyes:





hi!

i read someone stating obama was not a natural born citizen...there is all this "birther" stuff about him not having a legitimate us birth certificate...he was born in kenya, etc.

part of this problem is many of us (including me) were taught incorrectly in school.

i was told that you have to be born in the us to qualify for president, as you have to be a natural born citizen.

there are two ways to be a natural born citizen:
1-physically be born in the us (not sure about territories and possessions)
2- one or more of you parents have to be a us citizen at the time of your birth.

so obama is a natural born us citizen, becuase obama's mother was a us citizen at the time she gave birth to him. end of story. where he was born does not matter!!!

cliff
nairobi
ps-being a dual citizen (or a citizen of 3 or more countries) is legal, and is irrelevant to whether or not you are a natural born us citizen.

[aqcheryl]

i am not saying that leaders cannot be benevolent and enlightened. i am saying this greedy, corrupt, capitalist system is too entrenched in the world, our hearts, and minds.

it has to go.

so be ready for the drama. cause it is coming. believe me.

i dont think anyone disagrees with you that it has to go, just the method in which you are saying ;)
believe you me, i feel your frustration that it exists, but 'drama' is negativity, to 'burn it all' as you earlier said, is not the path of love. it goes against everything we are standing for here. we dont achieve higher levels by acting out in aggression.

we have to believe things can change. it starts with one, and its not easy being a part of the 'first' group - it can be disheartening. but we must stick with our proverbial 'guns'. anything can happen.

[aqcheryl]

i have to re-iterate that while we do not see much 'positive' from obama's camp so far, we are not seeing the negative either. sometimes stagnation is far better than no movement towards the negative.

i feel like we are at an impasse stage right now, both sides trying to outdo each other. this is a major chess game being played. the turn is in obamas court now. i think he will checkmate.

i think that its possible this nobel peace prize thing will further help obama become the catalyst to change we need, provided he utilizes it. the world is ready for disclosure, and perhaps seen as an advocate for peace already, this will help when/if obama truly does provide us with disclosure.

obama cannot be the catalyst by himself, so i think things are slipping into place here... other positive forces are coming to help him. i have to say at first the fact he looked confused at getting one, worried me. but then i realized, if he was on the side of the elite faction, he would not have been confused but arrogant.

perhaps he was confused because everywhere he turns so far hes faced with opposition and suddenly heres in-your-face support for peace and what david and most of us here believe obama's goals are.

[bobfitz]

i don't know whether obama is a good guy or a bad guy.

i don't really care one way or the other. obama the politician and the agendas of his backers are less interesting to me than the reaction people had to what his campaign represented.

change. change from what? from fear, greed, war, injustice, lies, corruption, ignorance, bigotry, racism, hatred, inequality, inhumanity, isolation, degradation, and amorality.

whether or not his campaign simply told people want they wanted to hear in not relevant to me. what is relevant is that people unified and projected what they wanted to make real. once that genie is out of the bottle, there is no putting it back.

who cares whether the good guys got something right or the bad guys accidentally played themselves? either way, change happens.

[Matthew Clark]

bob,

i think you raise a very good point there and hit the nail on the head.


whether or not his campaign simply told people want they wanted to hear in not relevant to me. what is relevant is that people unified and projected what they wanted to make real. once that genie is out of the bottle, there is no putting it back.

obama has the potential to create huge positive change for us all. if he does make the disclosure we are all so desperate for, like you said above, that genie will never be put back. also the consciousness of the planet will change so much for the better.

remember the hundredth monkey effect? well we could add several noughts to that number!

send him positive vibrations of love and protection - god knows he needs it.

[aqcheryl]

bob,

i think you raise a very good point there and hit the nail on the head.



obama has the potential to create huge positive change for us all. if he does make the disclosure we are all so desperate for, like you said above, that genie will never be put back. also the consciousness of the planet will change so much for the better.

remember the hundredth monkey effect? well we could add several noughts to that number!

send him positive vibrations of love and protection - god knows he needs it.

yes, i also agree with bob that ultimately it doesnt matter if obama is good or bad - either option he is a major catalyst for change. either with his help positively, or his negative actions will cause us to wake up... either way its like david says we are headed for positive times.

as i type this, my kitty runs up and climbs up my shoulder sticks her nasty "i just had a can of wet cat food" breath up close and meowed in my ear. i think she agrees! lol

[PriestOfLight]

having followed the police and sting's life for some time (he is very spiritual), i found this article to be very positive.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=d9bku4hg0&show_article=1


new york (ap) - sting isn't a religious man, but he says president barack obama might be a divine answer to the world's problems.
"in many ways, he's sent from god," he joked in an interview, "because the world's a mess."

but sting is serious in his belief that obama is the best leader to navigate the world's problems. in an interview on wednesday, the former police frontman said that he spent some time with obama and "found him to be very genuine, very present, clearly super-smart, and exactly what we need in the world."

[Nomadess 2012]

thank you for posting that, priestoflight, i needed to hear that

[Djonne]

hey all

i came across this video while checking out videos at whitehouse.gov and i got somehow inspired by this one.
it seems that obama is really a honest and good person, cause he, for a reason, i don't know why, **pardonned* this turkey and let it live.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/photos-and-video/video/president-obama-pardons-white-house-turkey

he cannot save everybody, but he, in a way, showed that he's a nice person.
my confidence in him just got bigger now:)

[noppy]

i love barack obama and his family.

i do not realy like the forces that are behind him. but it's oke, we still love them. but i do hope obama does what we asked him to do, that is the reason why we voted him for president.

[MarBu13]

i agree noppy. i love him and his family so much. michelle obama is a ray of light in my eyes. and that light is giving him strength always. they are probably the only people i'd get all giddy giddy celebrity gumdrops over.

[aqcheryl]

so ive been watching from the backseat here and its been some time for us to see his quality.

one of the biggest things people might point out would be the health care reform. supposedly from what ive heard its similar to the health care that europeans enjoy. well i hear that the health care is good there - its even great for animals.

if it is that which they are trying to bring here to the states, id be interested - and yet ive also heard that it would start taxing us now, and the actual program would not come into affect for several years. i am one of the people that this health care would help. theres a major loophole in our current health care, where you cannot get medical or medicare or the other government programs unless you meet specific requirements. indeed, if you are an illegal, you will be covered. obviously im not one. nor am i pregnant, nor legally disabled, nor am i senior citizen. therefore i currently have no health insurance. when i had to leave my job, i was offered that cobra assistance program, but it was going to be $400 a month to keep it going. if you dont have an income, where are you going to get $400?! this is happening to my friends as well, they have to pay outrageous amounts to remain covered.

so while many people will complain about the taxes with the health care reform, if they would just start the program now instead of ten years from now, i would be hopeful. no more insurance companies deciding if you qualify for a surgery. or like that man that had his disability payments cut because an insurance agent recorded him eating a chip at taco bell.

the current health care we have is seriously flawed, and change is never easy. so all-in-all, i see obama trying to issue in that new world for us. the one thing that really bothers me is if there is anything in this reform that says they can enforce mandatory vaccinations.

so theres that... and theres also the fact that for all this talk of going to war, and how hes going to send us to war because of sending in more troops etc., we are not in one. or at least a new one. sometimes you have to clean up the mess that was left behind. i feel like obama is cleaning up bush's mess.

another thing that did bother me was that ive seen a few television commercials in which the president appeared in that just... is bothersome. i recall seeing a commercial for the george lopez tv show in which obama appeared in the commercial, and at first i thought they had pasted obama in there and it was a joke, but as i watched it was very clear obama was interacting fully with george. on one hand, it brings him closer to the people - on the other, i dont feel he should endorse any specific show, or even be affiliated with it in that sense; it makes me feel like hes not working.

and yet, theres a subtle change even in corporations - especially such as time warner cable. they literally duked it out with fox network over our rates being increased (not that i believe they are the good guys either) but they did bring this 'to the people'.
ive heard many times that time warner is one of the ones up there under the elite pyramid, so it would be a major no-no to do anything that might tell 'the people' they have a say or to empower them. coupled with this is their latest themed commercials with subtle messages about how you 'rule your kingdom' - another psychological way to make people feel empowered.

what really caught my interest was this commercial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xjxugbik3y&feature=playlist&p=aa4be4bb0df3767f&index=3

the guy goes on and on about his rights in his kingdom to specific things (related to network service), and right at the end out of nowhere you hear this "oh and were sticking with the dollar, and watching the euro. just fyi".

if you recall, one of the concerns about the nau threat was that we would lose the dollar and switch to the amero. to me, that was a very clear message. and its a message i do not think we would have heard, without obama in office. its things like these that make me feel even more certain that david is right - obama is leading us there.

[Pardillor]

acqueril,

yes as you say here in spain we have health care for everybody, legal or not (we have inmigration from afrika). i believe is a good system that works fine. you see in your salary note the money they take to contribute to the heath care ( a percentage proportional to the money you earn aprox. 5%). this gives you free access to all sanitary services, from the basic ones, close to your home to the most sofisticated organ trasplants (spain is pioneer in this case) and you don´t have to pay anything in the hospital.

for sure, if you want you can have your own private health care program with an insurance company but it is not as expensive as in eeuu (i think that doctors get more money there than in europe), a full service program is about 150 usd per moth. it only makes sense in the big cities were the public health is quite saturated and you need to visit the doctor without queuing (i have my private health program as i live in a big city).

if obama makes a public health program, i think that is a good idea but prices of the services should be reduced as the same things done in europe are cheaper and it is not a big tax for us.

regards.

[soliti]

hello to all, can someone confirm if this true or not.

obama signs executive order establishing council of governors
monday, 11 january 2010 19:07 press release latest national news
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washington, d.c.--(enewspf)--january 11, 2010. the president today signed
an executive order establishing a council of governors to strengthen further the partnership between the federal government and state governments to protect our nation against all types of hazards. when appointed, the council will be reviewing such matters as involving the national guard of the various states; homeland defence; civil support; synchronization and integration of state and federal military activities in the united states; and other matters
of mutual interest pertaining to national guard, homeland defence, and civil support activities.

heres the link

www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/36997/obama_signs_executive_order__martial_law/[/



peace and love

[pyramidnj]

dear sister of the light,

it was soooooo refreshing to read your message written such a while ago. it has been nearly 9 months that i have not been able to follow this extraordinary community of exchange and body of work that is david's divine cosmos for which i have the greatest respect....other areas of service to all have been occupying my time.

for some reason, i clicked and was directed to this discussion stream where i can stay only a few minutes. you are on the right track with your initial visions and your dream regarding who obama really is. he is performing a very special service to this planet and its people, from a very loving heart, no matter what the personal sacrifices may be.

obama is doing "clean-up" of the monumental mess that was created before he arrived, but he cannot simply dump all of the players simultaneously or bring instant change. we must be patient -- there is finally someone on board as a political leader who can be trusted, no matter what the appearance may be. the republican/democrat/independents,etc. bickering and denigration of this great being and the team he has assembled, temporarily [for it will change, inevitably], only feeds into supporting the work of those who have been thwarted by his efforts in their attempt to fulfill the illuminati agenda [btw, as a black woman in this lifetime, i have no doubt that the big "i" are multihued or at least have diversified their minions!].

to all i say, believe what you choose. david's vision is on track and so is yours stargirl. unimaginably powerful support is behind obama's presence here, for his work is intimately connected with the overarching path of ascension for our planet and all those who have opted for that dimensional shift. otherwise, he would have long ago been eliminated in the most surreptitious of ways.

i smiled as i read what you wrote nearly 2 years ago (?) -- it brought a breath of fresh air which i sooooooo needed to inhale at this time.:)

much love and gratitude are being sent your way!
pyramidnj

[HQS]

hello folks...


i see obama's state of the union address is schedule for 8pm on wednesday night.
2 hr time slot for the speech. i'm wondering and hoping that he will drop the bomb on ufo's and alien technology. my dvd player will be fired up recording just in case :)

[noppy]

8 pm :d ohh that would be 3 am in the morning here in europe... i hope he is gona release the ufo files and other stuff that would help the planet. if it does imagine what the technology can do but on the other hand. the technology is more advance than what we are spritualy. there is a hugh risk that we will repeat our history again. and unfortuante obama ain't the boss of the world but merly an puppet. we need to ask the higher ups..but..who are the higher ups :confused: the vatican? illuminatie?

[Berry Chastain]

it would be nice but don't hold your breath. if he does, it isn't in his prepared, scripted speech and will be a surprise to "everyone".

i did see a comment regarding the synchronicity of the dates of today, 01-27-2010=4 and the date of his supposed announcement in october, 10-28-2009=4 . don't know what that means but someone with numeralogical wisdom could put a spin on it i'm sure.:rolleyes:

[Happystrings]

good speech but nothing about et's or ufo's...and it was such a great opportunity....:(

[evolving]

i guess the time was not right. will it ever be?

[HQS]

i was on the edge of my set a couple of times he paused and they started talking about mi-trust in the world and government,,then i thought here it comes.... but nothin.
i forgot who said it but if obama doesn't reveal, they will do it for him. not sure if that was the federation who would??.. i hope soon though.. actually, i'm getting shiver's up my spine as i type this.... ;)

l&l

hqs

[piermarie]

i agree with david that obama is working for the people as a whole while trying to balance the negative people who are still in power. ruth mongomerys book called worlds to come written in 1999, explained that a usa president in 2009 will be a walk in spirit from a high level light planet who knows how to help and work during these crisis times.

it's possible the orignial obama soul when young is not the same spirit in the current obama body. i remember reading the law of one where they mentioned this happened to president abe lincon who also had a walk in spirit.

why is it that some people connect obama to lincon today? maybe he had some connections to get to the office, yet also maybe he will not work for the hidden agenda if a new spirit takes over, and they can not control him.
still it must be hard to get anything done for change when there are greater dark powers in control of most everything in the world.

[Foghorn]

it's possible the orignial obama soul when young is not the same spirit in the current obama body. i remember reading the law of one where they mentioned this happened to president abe lincon who also had a walk in spirit.
.

we are a spirit having a human experience in one body. if that is so, spirit reincarnates to one body, one soul. how do you explain an different spirit?

[Berry Chastain]

foghorn,
if you do some studies in the law of one the concept of walk-ins is described quite well but for a quick review of different views of this, here is a link to a wiki entry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/walk-in

basically, the original soul agrees to vacate the physical vehicle and allow a higher spiritual entity take over the life choices of the individual. this is not an uncommon experience but it is not well known outside of the metaphysical groups.

[11wanderer11]

we are a spirit having a human experience in one body. if that is so, spirit reincarnates to one body, one soul. how do you explain an different spirit?

something i learned in the last couple of years is that 'spirit' does not incarnate into one body. first of all, remember that everything is ultimately one spirit. then it's broken up into ''shards' or 'sparks' of spirit. even these are extremely powerful/energetic & couldn't be fully contained in one physical body because the energy would be too strong & the body couldn't handle it. many, if not all, of these fragments are living many simultaneous lives in multiple dimensions. you may have not come to realize yet about time being an illusion. ultimately all things are occurring simultaneously.
i have also read about lincoln being a 'walk-in'. i believe it's in the book 'from elsewhere'. from what i've come to understand, yes it's possible for even 'multiple spirits' to meld together and be in one body. i'm sure the 'social-memory complex' ra could make it happen. they'd just manifest a special body that could hold all of their energy in order to physically incarnate. remember again, as david has said, there's only one here.

[Foghorn]

thank you for your replies to my inquiry. i had not heard of a walk-in before. after reading
the information you provided, i now understand.

it also explains some of the unexplained changes in me since i had anesthesia 2 years ago as it was the first time i was in a hospital since my birth.

after that surgical bone experience i lost my desire to eat meat, developed a strong interest in spiritual path, decline in many past expert abilities including the ability to write a business letter in less than 5 minutes that can now take days, coupled with releasing and forgiving all past emotional pain along with 50# i held onto for many years, etc.)

the more i learn, the more i realize how little i know. i think i now know why i feel ill when i am tempted to enjoy a rack of lamb or juicy steak or watch someone else doing so.

[onething]

well, for what it's worth, according to [name's] books about hypnosis into superconsciousness/spirit world, a walk in is something that would never be allowed.

i am not sure he's right about that, but i do think he gets most things right. [please pm onething if interested in the author]

[CosmicParent]

when engaged in any debate or discussion about us politics i find myself defending obama - partly because of wilcock's material and partly because of the information presented by other positive thinkers - and mainly because i want to believe and think positively myself.

however, some video i recently watched about false flag operations has me feeling less than positive about him - the video shows footage from before he was elected, perhaps a townhall meeting - the location and date isn't clear but it is him talking and he says: "i mean, think about it; iran, cuba, venezuela - these countries are tiny compared to the soviet union; they don't pose a serious threat to us..." and then there is footage from after he was elected and in his address (again the specific time and place is uncertain in the video) he says: "let me be absolutely clear, iran is a grave (or great - can't make out the exact word) threat. it has an illicit nuclear program, it supports terrorism across the region..."

and this is where the video cuts off to show similar words from other us politicians. i'd like to think that the speech continued with him saying something to the effect that war is still not the answer but it seems as though fulford and others are saying that the us is threatening war in order to keep afloat - a last ditch effort - why would obama, if he was not a puppet for the rockefeller/rothschild/insert other world power controllers and if he was really for peace - allow these tactics to be used to save his country.

i still send him love and light - i imagine he's under incredible pressure to keep these creeps happy enough not to execute him - but where is the line - when do we actually get to see and hear him do something that proves he is not another puppet?

[billybobbutterball]

hi, onething.:)


of course the ra are not infallible, but it seems they are right concerning the reality of so-called "walk-ins... of which the most famous of these very rare occasions is that concerning abraham lincoln around a time preceding the civil war.

a short attempt at a description:

lincoln, floundering and despairing of reaching his pre-incarnation goals, was approached by an spiritual entity whom offered to take on the task. the offer was accepted and the original lincoln removed to a place similar to that where carla was parked during the occasions of her trance work with the ra. the walk-in moved in and took over. ( i don't know if the eventual results were entirely good (positive) bad, or what ...but the original intentions were positive)

an interesting point the ra made was that the wanderer/walk-in entity was not karmic-ally entangled by his apparently selfless contribution.

hope this help..( of course you are invited to do a search at l/lresearch. :cool:)

best bill g aka bbbbb



well, for what it's worth, according to [name's] books about hypnosis into superconsciousness/spirit world, a walk in is something that would never be allowed.

i am not sure he's right about that, but i do think he gets most things right. [please pm onething if interested in the author]

[onething]

billybob,

but where is the proof or the data that led to this belief? where does it come from?

[billybobbutterball]

hi, one

i'm a bit confused....what particular belief are you bringing up?
the ra warn that they are not infallible,(and are lousy when it
comes to specific dates) but if they wax on about walk-ins
i pretty much accept their channeled observations, especially
since the arranged warning if carla/ra loose the narrow
channel connection was not triggered.:cool:

if you are challenging the authenticity of the ra material
we have an insoluble problem. the ra material
is not the bible ...as once delivered to the saints, but those
gathered here signed off that they were in agreement in
general upon the apparent genuineness of the document.:confused:

so, if you are challenging the ra material -- which is the
essential ground of this web-site's very being --
we are stuck since there is no reply to your query.:eek:

anna, am i missing something here??

wondering....bbbb:)






billybob,

but where is the proof or the data that led to this belief? where does it come from?

[onething]

billybob,

i am talking about walk-ins. perhaps i have read that part you mention, the warning to carla, but i don't recall it well. i was not even aware that the walk-in idea comes from ra. michael newton in his books mentions a common belief in the walk-in idea, and he says that he has never heard of such a thing and that those who run things here would not allow it. he might be wrong in that some of this is his opinion, but it certainly would not be a common thing. his feelings on it were pretty strong, so again, might be his bias. but if there is a belief out there that he is aware of, perhaps a new age belief, then is ra the source? because that would surprise me. i don't know how well known the ra material is.

i have indeed assented that the ra material seems quite good, but i would never give my assent to anything permanently and without question. i always think about all the bits of knowledge and how they can fit together to form a coherent picture. which is what david does so well and what i like best about him. on a question like this, i would expect that ra would know and would not make a mistake. anyone on the "other side" who has been around a while would know.

my acceptance of the ra material comes from my own inner guidance, which for me is the holy spirit. i was impressed upon reading the ra material that it is in complete accord with the insights i already had through this source. it was the same with larry seyer and the course in miracles. i asked him some sort of question and he didn't seem to understand but when i persisted he finally said, "there is nothing but god." that was all i needed to know since the holy spirit had already taught me that and now i knew that course in miracles is right up there.
but i must say that newton's books, which david has recently found and given honorable mention to, do seem to present a few contradictions.

i had tried to start a discussion of it without success, although there was a discussion a long time ago that a mod found but that one seems dead. i also don't know how to find it. i tried the search feature without success.

another thing which comes to mind is that he denies that there are any evil beings in the universe who are tormenting the human race. he thinks it is all arising out of our own minds and this is a sufficient explanation. whereas my sense is that there are nefarious beings who encourage us in wrongdoing and wrongthinking, and ra seems to agree, what with the negative 4th, 5th and 6th dimensional beings who i guess are more or less disembodied compared to us.

in fact, this came to me about three years ago as a new insight. i had forgotten about such ideas (demons) and then began to think that this was part of the problem for us humans, that we don't take into account that this may be happening and are not on guard against it. it is part of the picture of us needing to be more aware and less gullible. i think that it is part of the process of our becoming positively polarized that we are less vulnerable to confusion of this sort. so it is an important question. and i had this insight before finding the dc website and ra.

i don't know if this is now straying too far from the topic obama and the new world, although it is certainly related to it, so i ask that the mods not delete this but if need be it could move to a different thread.

i take newton's work very seriously as a breakthrough. there is so little info about what happens in the spirit realm between lives and he has hypnotized thousands of people and says their reports are very consistent. but he also says that he is not able to access all that he would like and is restricted in what he can find out. the spirit guides do not always allow everything.

[billybobbutterball]

part 1

hi, onething.

it may be stretching a bit to claim we are on topic but the idea was advanced that obama might be a walk in, as was lincoln.

[quote=onething;54623]billybob,

i am talking about walk-ins. perhaps i have read that part you mention, the warning to carla,

## one warning was to not attempt a connection with the ra without the other two in attendance --given after a failed attempt by the 5-d neg. to separate carla from her body.

but i don't recall it well. i was not even aware that the walk-in idea comes from ra.

## the walk-in idea dates back to early hinduism....picked up by elements of the spiritualist movement a hundred years ago..

michael newton in his books mentions a common belief in the walk-in idea, and he says that he has never heard of such a thing and that those who run things here would not allow it.

## michael pursues a rather narrow band in his study of souls between incarnations...this is dealing with the astral planes...not the higher dimensions

he might be wrong in that some of this is his opinion, but it certainly would not be a common thing. his feelings on it were pretty strong, so again, might be his bias. but if there is a belief out there that he is aware of, perhaps a new age belief, then is ra the source? because that would surprise me. i don't know how well known the ra material is.

## i don't know how well-known the ra material is...we keep running into new people who "stumble" across it and come looking.

i have indeed assented that the ra material seems quite good, but i would never give my assent to anything permanently and without question. i always think about all the bits of knowledge and how they can fit together to form a coherent picture. which is what david does so well and what i like best about him. on a question like this, i would expect that ra would know and would not make a mistake. anyone on the "other side" who has been around a while would know.

## well, the "other side" takes in a infinite territory peopled by an infinity of entities. the ra are not infallible, but the information obtained is considered by experts in the matter as being the most bullet-proof of trans-dimensional conversations..

my acceptance of the ra material comes from my own inner guidance, which for me is the holy spirit. i was impressed upon reading the ra material that it is in complete accord with the insights i already had through this source. it was the same with larry seyer and the course in miracles. i asked him some sort of question and he didn't seem to understand but when i persisted he finally said, "there is nothing but god." that was all i needed to know since the holy spirit had already taught me that and now i knew that course in miracles is right up there.
but i must say that newton's books, which david has recently found and given honorable mention to, do seem to present a few contradictions.

## because david salutes a fellow worker doesn't equate to a 100% agreement with his material or religious philosophy

i had tried to start a discussion of it without success, although there was a discussion a long time ago that a mod found but that one seems dead. i also don't know how to find it. i tried the search feature without success.

## i think that a discussion of michael's work at this point would not be allowable...but perhaps my fellow moderator's might disagree...we are governed by a set of rules as listed elsewhere.

to be continued

[billybobbutterball]

part 2

another thing which comes to mind is that he denies that there are any evil beings in the universe who are tormenting the human race. he thinks it is all arising out of our own minds and this is a sufficient explanation.

## perhaps he should take some time out to read the ra material..:d

whereas my sense is that there are nefarious beings who encourage us in wrongdoing and wrongthinking, and ra seems to agree, what with the negative 4th, 5th and 6th dimensional beings who i guess are more or less disembodied compared to us.

## i'm not happy with your description, but, yes, more or less. please keep in mind that
these nefarious beings are the one creator...the negative path is a spiritually valid one...that concept of spiritual equality tends to choke some people up.

in fact, this came to me about three years ago as a new insight. i had forgotten about such ideas (demons) and then began to think that this was part of the problem for us humans, that we don't take into account that this may be happening and are not on guard against it. it is part of the picture of us needing to be more aware and less gullible. i think that it is part of the process of our becoming positively polarized that we are less vulnerable to confusion of this sort. so it is an important question. and i had this insight before finding the dc website and ra.

## i admit that i once thought that all spiritual entities were benevolent...i'm pretty gullible.
and there is much of which is negative that apes positivity....the ten commandments is one such example (see scott mandelker.com for his chapters on east/west gnostic studies etc.)

i don't know if this is now straying too far from the topic obama and the new world, although it is certainly related to it, so i ask that the mods not delete this but if need be it could move to a different thread.

## yeah,,,i'm wondering if i'm going to be modded by a fellow mod...:o

i take newton's work very seriously as a breakthrough. there is so little info about what happens in the spirit realm between lives and he has hypnotized thousands of people and says their reports are very consistent. but he also says that he is not able to access all that he would like and is restricted in what he can find out. the spirit guides do not always allow everything.[/quote]

## anna, have you studied any of the numerous near death experiences? many come back after seeing what they expected to see...an eye opener for me was that of mellen thomas benedict ..whom i feel strongly is a 5th or 6thd wanderer...google the name and it will pop up.

the ra material books are available on view at llresearch.org...no more excuses!

hope this helps! bill g aka bbb

[onething]

hello billo,



## michael pursues a rather narrow band in his study of souls between incarnations...this is dealing with the astral planes...not the higher dimensions

well, have you read his books? i am not sure what you mean here. i do agree he does not get to higher dimensions, but he goes as far as the people whom he is taking into trance can go. he says it is frustrating sometimes that he cannot get all the answers he wants. this, actually, is an area i find puzzling in his books, the number of times that his subjects state that they are not privy to certain information, it is above their development level or something. we messed up humans here on earth seem to have far more persistent curiosity than those youngsters in the spirit world.

$$ no i haven't read his books. the reason for my thinking is as given above -- that he seems to be dealing with only he outer-inner-astral planes.(not consisting but a minute fraction of the spirit world(s)..astral plane's inhabitants are not privy directly to the higher dimensions. incidentally, in volume #2 of the ra material there is a discussion of the pre-incarnational state between incarnations...plus outlining the various ray structures making up one's particular "body" ...most of which is over my head to keep straight.


## because david salutes a fellow worker doesn't equate to a 100% agreement with his material or religious philosophy

well, yes, that is so, isn't it? the problem is more mine. i consider that ra material to be pretty darn good. i can hardly find fault with it. so if it is coming from advanced entities of good will, they would be highly truthful and knowledgeable. at the same time, i think pretty highly of newton's work, not so much that he does a good job of asking questions, but that he is using people themselves and their own minds and memories to contact the spirit world directly. i mean, his books are paradigm-changing. so they must be reconciled somehow. it is not a matter of agreeing with a philosophy. i or you or david may have our philosophies, but what the ra give and what the hypnotized subjects give is not philosophy.

$$ coming from advanced ( degree?) entities of good will is not the only question...for instance, the huge and impressive urantia work is the product of 'advanced' souls, so to speak,...but it was a product of the astral planes and it was not authorized by the planetary council. there is the group known as the white botherhood who -- although qualified to move to higher dimensions -- have chosen to abide in the astral so as to be of greater help to earthlings. they sacrifice a great deal for this in that by not advancing they are foregoing vital studies that can only be given in the higher realms. what hypnotized subjects can give is indeed material, but that is colored by their religious philosophies.( or influenced by a telepathic hypnotist) benedict was given a demonstration of this from the very beginning when he was greeted by an entity who was ready to take on the form of, jesus, buddha, krishna, mohammad...or whatever figure suited benedict's inclination ...later he is taken on a tour of various "heavens" which would be best described as thought-forms.. these thought-forms are real to those enmeshed in them. because benedict is most likely a wanderer of 5th or 6th density he might have qualified for a peak behind the scenes to check ouit the wizard of oz.


## i think that a discussion of michael's work at this point would not be allowable...but perhaps my fellow moderator's might disagree...we are governed by a set of rules as listed elsewhere.
it already exists. some of the questions people brought up were the same as mine.

$$ i should take a look...but please understand that much was passed in the past that would not pass the bar now..



## perhaps he should take some time out to read the ra material.

perhaps he should, but i am wondering with the amount of experience he has with thousands of people and their spirit guides in attendance, how he has come to the conclusion that in the spirit world all is benevolent. again, i will reread and look in the index to see if i can find out how pointed the answers he receives are.

$$ what is the old saying? "he had one great experience -- repeated a thousand times!" there is a woman who has done similar work, and whom has a great reputation. drus...something? anna, you say he offers a new paradigm? even to those of use familiar with the revolutionary ra material? could you explain?

part 1...to be continued....

[quote]

[billybobbutterball]

continuation...

## i'm not happy with your description, but, yes, more or less. please keep in mind that
these nefarious beings are the one creator...the negative path is a spiritually valid one...that concept of spiritual equality tends to choke some people up. [/quote]

not happy because i said nefarious? that was rather lighthearted i thought. but i believe in calling a spade a spade, so let's call them evil. my definition of evil is the use of force, threat, or intimidation, as well as lies and deception, to take advantage of others. none of that means that they are not the one creator - remember i agreed with larry that there is nothing but god.

the negative path is spiritually valid...but not as valid as the positive path. it's a detour that ultimately brings the person back to the real path that works. otherwise, they would not find that they cannot progress far into 6d negative and have to switch.

$$ regarding not happy source?...i can't find it above...nefarious is fine....no big deal, something seemingly prosaic to do with bodies in higher dimensions...there are various rays that produce the required energy envelope...stretching things a bit, a body of sorts, i guess.


.that concept of spiritual equality tends to choke some people up.

the spiritual equality that i believe in does not mean that the two paths are equal. it means that all souls are of equal worth and purity and value.

$$ the ra says several times that both paths are spiritually valid...is that an improvement? as stated in the material, those who pursue the left hand path bring a large and most welcome harvest of vital information.



## anna, have you studied any of the numerous near death experiences? many come back after seeing what they expected to see...an eye opener for me was that of mellen thomas benedict ..whom i feel strongly is a 5th or 6thd wanderer...google the name and it will pop up.

yes, i read near death books like some women read romance novels...everything i can and lots of utube videos as well. you has recommended mellen thomas before, and i checked him out. i think i'll do it again right now but as i remember he was great. for the most part however, newton's work goes much, much father than any of these near death experiences. the reason is that it is not a near death experience, but a presence in the spirit world without limit of time. so it goes far deeper.

now, the site i just pulled up says he continues to have access to the light, and also, if he is a very advanced soul, then the types of information he could have been given during his nde, which was quite long, would be of higher quality than a beginner soul. so yes, he is good.

wow think this page has run its course!! need a new sheet! ...i made a couple of posting on affirmation's the other day that might be of interest...something about dangers of trance. my best,, bill aka bbb

end of 2nd part....hope there are no omissions/overlaps.. bill g

late addendum. i just finished michael newton' book, destiny of souls and am now reading the massive (1700 pages)convoluted universe trilogy of dolores cannon. i humbly take back my former bland comment...this material is a tremendous help in understanding the dynamism of reincarnation cycling...wow! sure popped open my lazy eyelids! best, billybobdroppedtheball

[aqcheryl]

onething, one of your earlier posts i found is very similar, if not exact, to me in that it is the source that i have listened to before ever hearing of ra, and subsequently finding this site and the material, that ra basically for the most part coincides with this... intuition. i always have a bit of a time labeling it, intuition, higher self, 'the force' (lol) - and i have also gone through the issue with questions about negatives.

i have also heard the same thing said where negatives dont truly exist it is just our mind creating chaos; and i could "see" that logic. if you take something bad that has happened, and change your perception of it... is it any longer bad? if something bad has happened, is it bad because you dont like/want it? but what if you accepted it and learned from it, is it still bad?

thats the line of thought, and that actually does apply to obama in that ive noticed that that when you see him as bad, then hes bad/negative and thats all you will see of him. when you see the good things, you tend to have the same effect - only see the good; this is why balance is always so important so neither blind you to reality.

but at that point i leave it there to agreement, because i know through this higher source and also past experiences that negatives do exist. the argument is null that its us that has to change our perception, because in reality anything that sets out to affect your emotions, that is the negative. i can change my perception of the nwo all i want, and they are still bad. and having go through - initially - the negative perceptions of obama, when i came here and stopped listening to people like alex jones, etc., i found balance and could see the positive and sense it.

unfortunately in a situation such as obamas, you'd have to do some negative things in order for the greater good - to bring about the positive change. what good is he if he just becomes another jfk, and he would if he didnt do some nwo things. its a game of chess.

i know walk-ins exist, but whether or not obama is one... i dont know. though earlier in this thread it was shown how both he and his family are very similar in appearance to a pharaoh (whose name i cant spell haha)... could be a reincarnation - or maybe a walk-in? perhaps both?

**realllllyyyy hoping i was able to stay on topic lol**

[onething]

yeah, basically i am hoping that obama is playing chess. if it were to turn out that he is, like my sister says, no different than bush, then it would mean all my instincts are wrong. it would make him a sociopath. now, it is worth considering that a high percentage of people in politics are indeed sociopaths. psychology says that a small percentage of the population is sociopathic, maybe one or two percent, but that up to 10% are in the "even zone" and have some characteristics. considering that sociopaths like money, power and fame and attention, and don't mind lying or have much conscience, it stands to reason that they would gravitate toward politics and enron and such like.

but most of them do not appeal to me, and i think that their character is often apparent. whereas, obama just doesn't give off any alarm bells and indeed gives me a feeling of his genuine sincerity.

[Hugh Jorgan]

sometimes we have to go with our "gut" on these things. sociopaths and/or people in politics/power are sooo good at masking their true selves and agendas that if we blindly believe everything they tell us(media or directly) we will have no chance to see them for what they truly are. not all are bad by any means but some just rub you the wrong way.

[evolving]

yeah, basically i am hoping that obama is playing chess. if it were to turn out that he is, like my sister says, no different than bush, then it would mean all my instincts are wrong. it would make him a sociopath. now, it is worth considering that a high percentage of people in politics are indeed sociopaths. psychology says that a small percentage of the population is sociopathic, maybe one or two percent, but that up to 10% are in the "even zone" and have some characteristics. considering that sociopaths like money, power and fame and attention, and don't mind lying or have much conscience, it stands to reason that they would gravitate toward politics and enron and such like.

but most of them do not appeal to me, and i think that their character is often apparent. whereas, obama just doesn't give off any alarm bells and indeed gives me a feeling of his genuine sincerity.

in the pyramid of power, no president was ever anywhere near the top. the people that actually have been running things for the last ... well, since before recorded history... are unknown to us, and will remain that way.

if anything, obama does what he does so his family remains alive, or worse, so millions stay alive. what if he were told, that if he didn't do as he was told, that a nuke would be set off in nyc or la, and it would reach the news that he knew about it and failed to do anything? that it was done by iranians and that he had been supplied information about it a week before... there is far more than this than meets the eye, and rest assured, he has very limited power, as has any president before him. really, does anyone thing g.w. could actually make the decisions to run a country? to implement 9/11? to reduce peoples rights to almost nil? to what gain would that benefit g.w.? heck, sending him back to grade 8 would benefit him...

[AKricket]

i had such high hopes when obama was elected. but since then, when i listen to what he says and watch the way he says it, i can't shake the feeling somethings not right. i've got to go with my guts and at this point i'm just not on the obama bandwagon. sure hope i'm wrong.

[onething]

yeah, evolving, good points and i agree with you, although it does seem that obama could fight a little harder for certain things. after all, it is not really just one faction that gets all the control. why is health care reform so impossible here, and yet a done deal in many other countries?

it is hard to accept, goes against the grain, but nonetheless i think quite true, that it is nearly impossible to have any real knowledge about what is really happening on nearly any event or issue. i often think it makes sense for me to spend more time gardening and pretty much ignore the world. because nothing is as it appears, and getting to the truth is a hopeless task.

[onething]

on the other hand, in the past couple of days i have seen some interesting things in the mainstream media that make me hopeful that truth is being revealed. one is that the republican party and its main fundraiser were caught with some internal fundraising postulates, by the lead fundraiser for the gop, to the effect that what motivates the donors (rich people) is ego and access (to politicians), and what motivates the average joe is fear. so he acknowledged that they run their party mostly by playing upon and manufacturing fear.

then i saw jesse ventura being interviewed about his latest book, in which he talks about government not telling the people the truth, and the lady questions him about his assertion that bush knew about 9/11 and let it happen, and he answered that this was not the first time, that the gulf of tonkin incident was officially admitted to have not happened in 2004 (by some famous guy) and that we lost 58,000 american soldiers and a million vietnamese over it. she asked him his motivation and he said that, one hundred years from now, he wanted to be sure historians knew that there were people who didn't buy the lies of the government.

[evolving]

i think quite true, that it is nearly impossible to have any real knowledge about what is really happening on nearly any event or issue. i often think it makes sense for me to spend more time gardening and pretty much ignore the world. because nothing is as it appears, and getting to the truth is a hopeless task.

you said much in this quote brother. it is worthy of consideration to ignore the mainstream media/hollywood/tabloids/gossip etc etc etc etc... i have no tv, read no magazines, and know little of propagandized news. i know it all to be a distraction from the truth, just another way to spin the wheel wasting time which could be used for something constructive.

now, spending more time in the garden doing someone you enjoy doing sounds like a good choice, though one should not ignore the world, for the world is a beautiful place if one allows them self to see the beauty in it.

this is the density of (polarity) choice brother, and the lesson/goal is to find love/joy in the moment, whilst gaining experience.

to paraphrase our elder brothers, smell the flowers, play like a child upon the wind, enjoy life. if one does nothing, the higher self will set up a bad experience, for a bad experience is better than no experience at all. seize the moment, take the scenic route... enjoy this time here, for it is limited and coming to a close sooner than one may think.

[greenbarry]

well it is passed.. the obama care is now in effect and its universal? is this to appease the nwo? illuminati? is it going to be what we need vrs what we dont want? really trying to be positive about this scenario and doing good by all means. im working on understanding all that i come by that hits me right and of course sifting out the garbage.

so, whats your take on this new idea on healthcare? personally, i am siding with dw on obama. all i have is faith in people to do the right thing and sometimes this can turn out not so good. this could be a good thing if done right i guess/think..

oh well, good day to ya and have a smile!
greenbarry

[capt.libra]

i see the health care bill as a way to make to make noise and distract the nwo from the task at hand, shutting down the federal reserve. obama is a lawyer and most likely a very intelegent one who is seeking to end their game legally.

btw obama is going to give a speach on april 15 at nasa. iam thinking it will be very interesting.

[MarkM]

some valid debating points are being raised regarding the health care legislation, but i'd like to point out something of the original intent of this thread.

the mods have been at pains to limit political discussions on this forum, simply because when this is allowed free range, our spiritual, law of one and dw emphasis is quickly marginalized; such is human nature!

with obama as a world-wide figure and symbol of the hope of billions for the betterment of the lot of mankind, this thread was begun under the premise that there was potential for an energetic conciousness catalysis.

when obama won the presidency, there was a huge coming together of the world's people in love and hope, and billions around the world stood together and felt the energetic shockwaves ripple through mankind's collective aura.

aside from the issues of the politics of obama/the presidency and the entrenched interests of the controlling pharma/corporate/military/industrial/frankenstein's monster we have allowed ourselves to manifest, (big inbreath! ;)) - this is a catalysis whereby obama may serve as a kind of spiritual galvanizing focal point whereby the people of the world may (of and for themselves) spontaneously ignite an awakening of our latent power to come together in love to create a better world.

this is not to make obama out to be some kind of messianic figure. the purpose of the thread was to discuss his potential to act as one of many potential rallying points for the people of the world themselves to come together in love, and while perhaps as president he is bound to walk the walk and talk the talk of the office, is he a player in a bigger drama? mark

[PriestOfLight]

i look at this as a manifestation of the lack of oneness that the people are displaying. still the outsiders were treated as outsiders. alot of needy, poor, and the sick ignored. the negative elite are using the lack of oneness to their advantage.

if the people did this for themselves and others, the issue of health would not have been an issue and legislation would never of occured.

and still, in so many areas(which is why i think ra says this is happening) we are still not acting as one and more manifestations to guide us to this end will manifest.

love and light

[Happystrings]

the purpose of the thread was to discuss his potential to act as one of many potential rallying points for the people of the world themselves to come together in love, and while perhaps as president he is bound to walk the walk and talk the talk of the office, is he a player in a bigger drama? mark

thanks mark. needed clarification.

[faithinchange]

i agree with mark and agree that if anything this should be seen for what it is- an awakening to ones own inner-strengths.

yes- a catalyst to a self-governed people, trusting in our strengths- love

becoming

working with the father, working with the source

what is father? not obama-
heart

[_X_]

just spot-read a few posts, haven't read the whole thread...

man, this obama stuff is frustrating. i am really emotionally involved in the liberty movement, and i just don't like anything he's doing.

i don't like the obama as the "entangled giant" argument, either. i mean, i don't care if it's bush or obama or mickey mouse passing health care, i'm just not going to be down with it. there's no way you can make everyone happy with a strong centralized federal program, and that's not what the constitution and the bill of rights are about (without getting into what the bill actually does).

that is as far as i'm taking the political discussion, as i understand the frame around this debate, and hopefully what i just said wasn't troll food and won't turn into a spectacle...

but! i do understand where mr. wilcock is coming from, as this part is very obvious and crucial... there is a huge backlash against the anglo-american elite, throughout the world. people are tired of their crap. did you enjoy climategate? thank the russians. they hacked east anglia and that's where the server was that it got uploaded to... and then everyone around the world is trying to bail out of bucks and ditch the dollar as the world reserve currency, because they're tired of paying for the privilege of the us taking their money and kicking their butts and ruining their lives with their insane foreign policy. it's just not working out for them... not to mention all the other technological stuff that's being kept under wraps, and people not being okay with having to sit on all the awesome stuff they're sitting on...

the clincher is disclosure, which is tba. i've seen elsewhere on the internets (other than dc or camelot) that it may be imminently soon, but who can say. but also it's likely that if the us doesn't go through with it, someone else will. though, the danger of that is, if it's not from the uk or us we won't be supposed take it seriously (like say if mexico definitely confirms it)...

but with all that said, i like to think of the obama prophecy as revealing that obama, despite who he is (or isn't?) and what he's up to, will prove to be useful. that is, at the right time, at the right place, things will fall through and everything will be gravy. this is what intuitive prescience is all about, and we shall have to see what happens.

though, i feel like something along those lines, some hugely major, has to happen for me to change my feelings about the present obama situation... and if i said this whole thing didn't remind me of deep space 9 and benjamin sisko as the emissary, i'd be lying...

i think the greater call is for the people of the world to see themselves and each other as free, and take greater responsibility of their lives. it really doesn't matter who sits in the big chair, you're still in charge of your life, you're a sovereign creator/co-creator here. be the change you want in the world...

[Psion 3-K]

i get some very good vibes from obama too. i have another point i'd like to relate, however. now keep in mind that i think obama is a very competent and graceful leader. he has done very many things the republicans would never even conceive of doing. things like his speech in cairo which got a standing ovation, something bush never could have gotten. in fact, no president has ever gotten the islamic community's attention the way he did. it's his extremely powerful skill as an orator that allows him to do these things but also his sense of being truly sincere.

there was a man alive about 70 years ago who had this same ability but he did not focus it positively. i have to emphasize very firmly yet again that i am not making this relation in a negative way at all, but that man was hitler. i am trying to make a very important parallel here that is easy to grasp once you see where i am coming from. i have a very good feeling about obama and the people who don't are the ones still blinded by the theology of separation which fosters extremely destructive individualistic tendencies.

hitler used the same kind of abilities obama has to exterminate 2,000,000+ lives. if obama indeed has this orator ability to the same degree which hitler had, think about what the exact polar opposite of the holocaust would look like. the thought literally makes me shiver as i type those words. when i say 'orator ability' i really mean the entire set of skills obama seems to have when leading the us.

i hope you all see what i am getting at. if we continue pouring in the love and positivity, we will finally be where we have been trying to go for countless centuries.

[Nomadess 2012]

isn't it awesome to have no more war in the world!!!

[onething]

hitler may have been sincere, but sincerely what?
the point is not that obama seems sincere, which he does, but that he seems to be good.

hitler, look at his face. when they put the hitler mustache on the obama picture, it plainly shows the difference, because the expression in obama's face is nothing like hitler's.

but i do see your point, and it would be magnificent to see obama really lead the world in a better direction. i only pray that his heart is as good as his smile promises it to be.

[Felicatra]

been a while..eh?

i tried to make a highlight quote list out of this article, but it seemed that every sentence was a highlight..damn near. the entire work just needs to be read...twice.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/exposed-the-secret-guns-sting-that-backfired-on-the-us-2297924.html


this appears to be a very obvious, sloppy, effective, cheap and horrid way by the negative factions within the government to plant their vicious seeds of "order out of chaos". it seems to me that this is a perfect example of the illuminati showing their lack of funds and the disintegration of their plan, exposed by their sloppiness and cheapness/easiness of tactic.

while the sands of distortion assemble themselves into a more love/light focused orientation, obama has the sands of distortion roll off of his responsibility and mind/body/spirit complex.

it feels like he's standing on the beach as the water removes the debris from around his feet. sinking closer to the core as the ebb and flow of the earth provides the constant progression of herself and all things towards love/light. this is going to be one of many chances for obama to allow, and possibly encourage the inevitable to piece itself together grain by grain.

now what he does with this orientation remains to be seen.

lets hope things like this http://rememberbuilding7.org/ * a site that rick posted in latest blog comments*, the article i posted, david's wealth of amazing works and new book, really get some energetic teeth.

[Berry Chastain]

i have tried several times to go to that link to read the entire article, and everytime i download it my computer freezes up. i am going to try to get it from here ranther than through my email and see what happens. has anybody else had this experience with this link?

[Felicatra]

try this one.

http://www.truthwinds.com/siterun_data/government/homeland_security_patriot_act_fema/news.php?q=1308334880

good luck!

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmjnfzy-ptu

idk if you guys seen this, but it is so funny =] i like it

[Dreimeschier]

it was announced yesterday that obama would be significantly reducing the number of troops in afghanistan; both in a higher numbers and quicker speed than many of his military advisers would have wanted. news articles said that defying the pentagon and military, truly taking control over the decision himself, is a very bold move on his part that is supported by, and inspiring to, other countries. supposedly, by late next year, about 33% of the troop count will be reduced. it's been said that they would like to have us (and other) forces completely out by 2014.

the important thing is that many people wanted to stretch out the withdrawal over many years, but obama won't allow that. i'd say that's pretty impressive, this is a bold step toward promoting peace.

[333angels]

what if the old world order believes they have president obama exactly where they want him...with a gun held to his head, and the with message that if he steps one millimeter off their agenda, both he and his family are "history". would the american people be sufficiently shocked at this information to begin to wake up and take some action? think jfk.

i have personally found that most people are so invested in denial about what's going on, that they absolutely refuse to listen to anything that they categorize as "conspiracy theory". but perhaps if they are shown evidence that their president is actually being terrorized by the global powers that be, and is literally impotent to act in any way for the good-of-the-people, the citizenry would respond. david's preface in the interview with ben fuller addresses this topic.

ideas as to how to get this message circulating?
i'm new to forums, and not even sure if responses to "old" threads are viewed, but thought i'd give it a try.

[Felicatra]

welcome 333angels.. and yes, your reply to any thread on this forum brings it to the "new posts" section, so it will be seen.

i agree that obama hasn't the potential, due to circumstances *owo*, to produce all or most of the the positive effects we need or he possibly wants. although, within our government, the white hats lurking have provided enough space for a few things to get past the old world obsoletes' positivity filter, most obvious is the untimely death of osama bin laden.

as far as spreading the word, i've been considering hitting up some unilateral churches and dropping the diving cosmos bomb. letting them know that, like bruce lee's "jeet kune do", you take what's useful, discard what isn't, and integrate what is personally effective. with that qualifier, you reduce the "conspiracy theorist" stigma that drives the droves away. although several that this would be presented to will be more pliable to the information, in that situation.

much love..
peace

[Felicatra]

is this stealing the thunder?? or a great patsy/foreshadowing??

"hackers broke into the foxnewspolitics account early monday, leaving a series of six tweets reporting that obama had been shot to death in iowa and the shooter was unknown."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/04/fox-news-twitter-hacking-_n_889995.html