The Shift Will Not Be Denied

[The Wonderer]

hey guys, the shift seems to be speeding up. more and more people are awakening to the shift that will happen in 2012. it is seems less and less people are being called nuts and lunatics when it comes to 2012. there is science that supports it, documents, experiments, whistleblowers, the list goes on.:eek:

the world will change for the better, and the evil global elite can only by time. there grasp over the people is slipping. there will be a fall of the government in some form or another. i have a feeling that something big will happen that will finally make the evil elite's grasp completely collapse.

there is also movie talking about the shift and i was shocked to see how much people believe in it, love it, and are welcome to it. the new science of torsion fields is completely dismantling the darwin theory, and the missing link is now know not to even exist. our destiny of enlightment will not be stopped.

here is the site of the shift movie, the global phenomenon that more and more people are joining.

http://www.theshiftmovie.com/home.html

here is also a cool blog that talks about this shift

http://sol.gaia.com/blog/2006/5/the_shift_in_human_consciousness

sorry if i annoy, but that just want to express how excited and happy i am right now(for the moment).:d

[Whitewolf]

thank you for posting this. i watched the trailer for this movie and was highly inspired by it. the only problem i have with it is that it seems to promote al gore (a member of the global elite) as one of our "comrades" which to me at least, is a gross distortion of the truth. if he was really one of our allies, he would not have conceded the election he won back in 2000. he allowed a stolen election to go forward by laying down. many also believe that man-made global warming is a hoax perpetuated by the elite to keep us living in fear. i don't know much about the global warming phenomenon but since it's a hot-button issue which the mainstream media talks about constantly, there must be something to it that we aren't being told.

i also believe that as we get closer to 2012, we'll be seeing some major changes in the institutions that still keep us enslaved. only time will tell though, as the global elite aren't yet showing any signs of impending defeat on their part.

[The Wonderer]

thank you for posting this. i watched the trailer for this movie and was highly inspired by it. the only problem i have with it is that it seems to promote al gore (a member of the global elite) as one of our "comrades" which to me at least, is a gross distortion of the truth. if he was really one of our allies, he would not have conceded the election he won back in 2000. he allowed a stolen election to go forward by laying down. many also believe that man-made global warming is a hoax perpetuated by the elite to keep us living in fear. i don't know much about the global warming phenomenon but since it's a hot-button issue which the mainstream media talks about constantly, there must be something to it that we aren't being told.

i also believe that as we get closer to 2012, we'll be seeing some major changes in the institutions that still keep us enslaved. only time will tell though, as the global elite aren't yet showing any signs of impending defeat on their part.

hmm i never knew that. the people who i know didn't even buy into the global warming bull crap and are living their lives lovely. the global warming terror doesn't really seem to be working. however, i have seen people take better care of the environment around with compassion(not fear) more than ever before, so i think the evil elites plan failed somewhat. don't know if its worldwide though. but aside from al gore, the trailer is very inspiring and positive.

hopefully this movement reaches the 800 million mark.

[transiten]

hi

interesting fact is that in the mayan comsmology the downfall of powerabusing elites always occur during the venuspassage, that is when venus passes twice before the surface of the sun, and this happens only every second century or so. this time is between 2004 and 2012!!! i saw the 1.st one here in gothenburg and i hope the sky will be clear next time also. it refers to the myth of the serpentwinged "quetzalcoatl" who rose to power and misused it. then he had to start his redemptiontour across the nation and finally arrive at the ocean to resurrect like the phoenix. new means of communication is also precipitated during the venuspassage, it's speeding up no doubt.

saturn is now crossing virgo, the sign of the "working classes" or downtrodden. pluto has conjoined the black whole in the center of our galaxy in sagittarius and is finally entering capricorn for a long period when all fundamental structures in society will change...for the bettere i presume

liliane transiten

[PriestOfLight]

very beautiful to see all the good there is in the world and how the masses, rich or poor, are working towards a more peaceful world. i can look at this trailer and see there is alot of good in the world, more then ever.

[Strider44]

this really must be a collective vision beggining to form cos i thought about the whole 2012 thing as 'the shift' not 'a' shift, but 'the' shift. as in one big singular event.

[metaman]

november 14th of this year we will enter the sixth night off the current galactic underworld accoring to the mayan calendar. this is very significant. the previous underworld was the vibration power. all significant events had to do with power, good or bad. as long as you where working with power you could wield it however you chose to.

the current underworld carrys the vibration of ethics. this underworld started back in 1999. each day and night of this underworld is 360 days. during the first 5 days and nights ethics concsiousness has been systematically taking over for power. the beginning of the 6th night will be on the nov. 14 date i mentioned above. when we hit the 6th night we will be completely clear of any residual power conciousness. at this point the global power mongers will either suddenly figure out how to get what they want ethically or they will go down. either way ethics will take over.

[The Wonderer]

november 14th of this year we will enter the sixth night off the current galactic underworld accoring to the mayan calendar. this is very significant. the previous underworld was the vibration power. all significant events had to do with power, good or bad. as long as you where working with power you could wield it however you chose to.

the current underworld carrys the vibration of ethics. this underworld started back in 1999. each day and night of this underworld is 360 days. during the first 5 days and nights ethics concsiousness has been systematically taking over for power. the beginning of the 6th night will be on the nov. 14 date i mentioned above. when we hit the 6th night we will be completely clear of any residual power conciousness. at this point the global power mongers will either suddenly figure out how to get what they want ethically or they will go down. either way ethics will take over.

so basically the government will lose even more power?

[Enkidu]

november 14th of this year we will enter the sixth night off the current galactic underworld accoring to the mayan calendar.

i believe it is the sixth day....

starting jan 1999 in 360 day cycles is as follows.

jan99-dec99= day 1
dec99-dec00= night 1
dec00-dec01= day 2
dec01-dec02= night 2
dec02-dec03= day 3
dec03-nov04= night 3
nov04-nov05= day 4
nov05-nov06= night 4
nov06-nov07= day 5
nov07-nov08= night 5
nov08-nov09= day 6
nov09-oct10= night 6
oct10-oct11= day 7

the final cycle is 400 days (20x20)

oct11-dec12

i just finished mapping the entire calendar today. i am getting all of my results together with the timelines and interpretations. i will be posting the site with my compiled data on here in the near future.

continue spiraling ever upwards,
austin

[Metamike]

i have been working on an article that has been very difficult o finish - it is about the shift - how to describe the essence without creating too much fear. i come to some realizations. if the shift will occur in such a way that the old systems (fragmentation) are to be let go and we are to embrace the new (the law of one - holistic principles) on a greater scale, then there must be a revolution by the people. due to the time frames involved. it must happen now. i do not see this revolution on a grand scale yet. the question remains as to whether the masses chose to wake up now, or if they need an even grander scale of greed, destruction and violence against the masses in order for them to care enough to leave their comfort zones and participate on the street. heads will get bruised in the process. there must be an effort made by those waking up so late for them to become eligible for an ascension process.

personally, i feel that a "cut off" time is rapidly emerging. if the ones still sleeping are now on board soon, the train will leave without them.

there is, for lack of a better word, a sense of impatience by those waiting to push the buttons that will close the window of opportunity. in this small space of time left, no one knows what the other side will do.

there is a very special state of affairs going on that resembles a dilemma. the greater the violence and pain that emerges from the work of darkness, the greater the chances are for those sleeping, to wake up. and the greater the chances for the forces of darkness to take an even tighter grip on the lifelines of us all.

this is not the most appropriate time to preach to the choir. the choir knows what is going on. from my perspective, the world does not.
mike from norway:(

[transiten]

hello wonderer!

i like your name, was actually joking about being a "wonderer" until becoming a "wanderer" in that thread. was too quick to post a reply, had not read the link you provided yet:o some summary! david wilcock, barbara hand clow and the mayan calendar/quetzalcoatl in the same article! thankyou!

now, can anyone shed some light upon the meaning of the two dates dec 28 2011, the actual end of the mayan calendar and dec 21 2012 when the sun makes the alignment with the dark road, the center of our galaxy? there's a confusing debate going on which one is "right" with fractions almost like christians and muslims quarreling. according to carl-johan calleman and the mayan elders the important one is oct 28 2011, since that's the date the calendar actually ends, but that doesn't mean dec 21 2012 doesn't count. the whole ballgame in chichen itza is built on that date when the sun aligns with the galactic center. the ball kicked with the hip into the ring at the wall in the football ground was thought to "help" the sun make this alignment. (from mayan cosmogenesis by john mayor jenkins)

both are correct of course, the issue is how they are related and what that means. calleman was interviewed on redice creations (a radioshow in sweden run by henrik palmgren) where he states that the dec 21 2012 date is "but" an astronomical alignment. the mayan calendar is built on the human gestationcycle and has nothing to do with astronomy or astrology. this fact seem to have influenced calleman at least some years ago (i know from 1:st hand experience) that western astrology is "nothing" compared to the mayan calendar and "astrology". now that he works together with barbara hand clow he must have changed his view.

comments anyone?

liliane transiten

[transiten]

hi metamike

your take on the situation slightly reminds me of the witnesses of jehova and it makes me feel uneasy..."the chosen ones and the condemned"...at the same time i can totally see/feel where you're coming from....that's the main issue of living in the 3:rd dimension of paradox. the "trick" is to balance the whole issue inside yourself, to meditate over that state of our predicament on earth, to reach the state of mind where we can hold this paradox inside without projecting it onto the world....easier said than done....

liliane transiten from sweden

[3D Sunset]

this is such a wonderful site for so many things, but i am a little concerned that we focus too much on the transitory aspects of this process. the revolution, metamike, must be from within ourselves. with that in order, the outer world will follow suite. i do not know what will happen in 2012, or 2011, or next year, or tomorrow, and frankly i do not care. i do know that when my time on this 3d sphere is spent, that i will walk the stairs of light, and i will radiate as brightly as possible when i do, and hopefully, i will make the grade, and move on to my next opportunity.

we need to all remain calm and confident that all is unfolding as it should, for it is! there are no mistakes. we cannot outwardly force the world to realize our vision of the proper 3d to 4d transition, for it will not. indeed forcing it to, through any means other than ordering our lives and consciousness and radiating love and light into this world, could be counterproductive.

i am increasingly reminded, though, of one of ra's passing comments in book iii session 65 as don is discussing various prophecies and how wanderers aid in the density shift:


we may note at this point while you ponder the possibility/probability vortices that although you have many, many items which cause distress and thus offer seeking and service opportunities, there is always one container in that store of peace, love, light, and joy. this vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment. could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration? yes, my friends. it is not probable; but it is ever possible.

what a wonderful thought, "our planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration"! this is my preferred revolution. to band together as a group to visualize this vortex increasing in size and probability until it is an inescapable eventuality.

3d sunset

[metaman]

you are right, sixth day. i new we where in the 5th night, just typed it wrong.

[starwhite]

i want to reply to this whole post. people from earliest times in each generation have believed the world was coming to an end. didn't happen. lets take the story of 'chicken little' as an example. this silly fowl believed the sky was falling. and of course it wasn't! how many chicken little's out there believe 100% that in 2012 the sky will fall or we will be shifted into another dimension? you know what? come 2012 i'll be watching the sky cautiously but i tell you i don't believe it. i think life will just go on as usual. time may tell me wrong, but, we'll see! we are responsible for the evolution and well being of our planet here and now! be kind to mother earth. recycle, eliminate fossil fuels, reach out in love and care instead of hare and mistrust to your neighbor. we do make a difference.
doomsday prophets will definitely come and go, but please, don't let their silly ideas ruin your day.

[AmelieJolie]

i believe in a shift.

if thought creates then it makes no sense to focus on doom and gloom prophecies.

let's all focus on the positive. :)

[transiten]

hello starwhite

well i surely cannot say i know for sure what's going to happen in 2012, but i can assure you from a strictly scientific standpoint that the chicken little will be proven to be right since the world is coming to an end the day our sun has turned into a red dwarf...


liliane the transit
liliane the transit

[metaman]

i want to reply to this whole post. people from earliest times in each generation have believed the world was coming to an end. didn't happen. lets take the story of 'chicken little' as an example. this silly fowl believed the sky was falling. and of course it wasn't! how many chicken little's out there believe 100% that in 2012 the sky will fall or we will be shifted into another dimension? you know what? come 2012 i'll be watching the sky cautiously but i tell you i don't believe it. i think life will just go on as usual. time may tell me wrong, but, we'll see! we are responsible for the evolution and well being of our planet here and now! be kind to mother earth. recycle, eliminate fossil fuels, reach out in love and care instead of hare and mistrust to your neighbor. we do make a difference.
doomsday prophets will definitely come and go, but please, don't let their silly ideas ruin your day.

if you could see the sky through my eyes you might change your mind.

[starwhite]

@ metaman i am willing to listen friend. what compelling evidence or proof can you put on the table to convince me or anyone else that an estimated 4.6 billion people will shift into the fourth dimension? sacred writings perhaps, the bible's nt rapture maybe? the mayan calender which ends in 2012? or perhaps because ra states it is so? the evidence that our dormant dna will trigger a metamorphasis of the human condition by 2012? i would like to see through your eyes. i want to believe. show me. what if on dec 21st 2012 it rains so we all stay home and enjoy a bowl of hot soup?

[moderator: legitimate inquiries indeed:) so we will allow in the spirit of thought]

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

hi starwhite :), free will ultimately guides our discoveries and our higher selves are hard at work to preserve the opportunity for self realisation, for this reason it is unadvised to seek evidence outside of our selves before giving our ancient mind a chance to emerge the truth from within. this is what we are talking about when we contemplate meditation, polarisation, overall resonance of our chakras and of course the big one, accepting the now and embracing the present moment which gives rise to consciousness as individuals and as a whole. this is not rocket science anymore, in fact it can be quite simple, there is absolutely no dought that changes in vibratory states of beingness are evolving moment by moment and the most balanced will indeed phase into fourth density with little to no effort. like it or not you, me and all of us have been doing this progressively all the way through this present incarnation, remember that each density is devided into sub-densities in one way or another and in effect we raise our vibration little by little when we advance spiritualy step by step but we also leap at the cardinal points or quantas, like the one approaching in just a few years................sylvain..............

[starwhite]

@ silvanus hello! :-) i understand what you're saying. and it fits in right along with many other sources. if we evolve into a higher state of being this is a joyous step forward. i always hoped we would explore the galaxy like in gene roddenberry's star trek. one day human kind might evolve to colonize other planets. quite possibly we will move spiritually from planet to planet fulfilling our mission & raising each others consciousness. count me in! lets grow together. if in fact these events come to light in the next few years we are all probably going to witness some amazing events transpiring in the world, and maybe beyond.

[The Wonderer]

@ metaman i am willing to listen friend. what compelling evidence or proof can you put on the table to convince me or anyone else that an estimated 4.6 billion people will shift into the fourth dimension? sacred writings perhaps, the bible's nt rapture maybe? the mayan calender which ends in 2012? or perhaps because ra states it is so? the evidence that our dormant dna will trigger a metamorphasis of the human condition by 2012? i would like to see through your eyes. i want to believe. show me. what if on dec 21st 2012 it rains so we all stay home and enjoy a bowl of hot soup?

[moderator: legitimate inquiries indeed:) so we will allow in the spirit of thought]

what you have understand is, the law of one material was channeled information. the whole law of one is basically a q & a between a man and a entity communicating through a women. there is a possibility that the information provided could be slightly inaccurate, slightly distorted, and so forth. that actually is a strong possibility. heck, the whole thing could have been deception or just a load of ****. however, that is up to you to decide.

the entity ra answered the questions in a way that didn't really answer them. you still had many more questions to ask on a question. the point that i am getting at is, the law of one is just another form of channeled information that points to 2012. if the law of one is accurate, the entity ra didn't want to spill the beans. it would interfere with free will and our purpose. it left us with many questions on purpose. do not fear, as the creator loves us. many of our questions will be answered through the ongoing years towards 2012, and after.

2012, is theorized to be human evolution by various scientists and researches, including david wilcock. you can't tell people something is going to happen in 2012 because of faith, you got to slam them with the evidence. there is proof that, the galactic center and the energy involved with it is unique. if 2012 happens, and we do change, we will basically be in a golden age. not the post apocalyptic age that we would have entered on the original time line described by dan burisch. this is why there were so many abductions of children and teenagers. the humans of the future tried to change their crippled dna make up by sampling those of the present. they were so crippled and disfigured, they were not identifiable as human. they looked like e.ts, thus the greys.:eek:

then there was another group of future humans whose plan was to make sure that the apocalyptic events would happen in 2012 so they can remain the way they were. then there is a third group that did evolve(the human like aliens called the ''nordics''), and moved to a different star system. this is tens of thousands of years in the future so, it is pretty out there. however, dan burisch describes that we are on the time line of human evolution, not apocalypse because of the shutdown of stargates and usage of them. this is why you are seeing more people awakening to the truth of what is really going on in our corrupt government, who the real evil doers are, and are realizing that they do not have to live the way they are living anymore. they can be free.

if we were on the apocalyptic timeline like some doom and gloomers say, you would have seen the illuminati's plan come into fruition. the chips would slowly be introduced, people would slowly be put in camps, and whole bunch of hoopla. that is just my opinion though so don't take it as fact.;)

so basically, through scientific research, insiders, whistleblowers, etc., something significant is happening in 2012 and is more than just another y2k or another end of world prediction.

however, if nothing happens in 2012, we will have a good laugh and/or be somewhat disappointed. but realize this, if you lived your life up to 2012 with fear, doubt, and worrying, you lose enjoyment and compassion for life. but if you lived life with excitement, love, and positivity, you lost nothing.:cool:

[Metamike]

belief in the crossing of the galactic circle is not necessary for the earth to cross this plane in time. i am reminded of a quote from the source michael - "even plants do not need to believe in photosynthesis to be green.

[transiten]

hello metaman


i have no problem identifying with your scepticism especially today when i feel low. i've been stating the same as you here on the forum: "how will we react if nothing of what is discussed here happens?" and another thing that struck me now is: how will we know if nothing happened or if we just were not harvested? will it be headlines stating: "millions of people missing" ?

you cannot believe in something you don't believe in, but one can be open to the possibility and continue to ask questions. for me first hand experience is what counts and i don't have it either when it comes to what will happen in 2011-2012, no lucid dreams or contact with other dimensions or entities telling me what...

but my life is an endless stream of synchronicities and i've been doing astrology for 15 years, i've been to mediums who put me in contact with deceased relatives giving me stunning accurate information about things noone else could ever know aboutand i actually had a possible encounter with a ufo at least i can't totally dismiss it. in my world this forum is the only place i can talk about all this without my psychic health being questioned, so...

also the theories of david wilcock i don't percieve as "doom and gloom" actually contrary to a lot of "doomers and gloomers" out there his perspective is very hopeful. and the doom and gloom is already here right? and has been for a long time on earth: the genocide of the jews and other pple, katrina, rwanda, gulag...for all the pple that have been affected by the horrors that have been taking place here on earth "armageddon" was and is already here. what would be the difference if it happened to all of us in the same time? noone who to remember and talk about it?

i'm just asking questions and we should, just give this website some time, at least you will discover other things that can be valuable if not a strong "belief" in a rapture in 2012;)

liliane the transit

[transiten]

hello again! ooops...starwhite i mean of course....not metaman, was reading from the quote by the wonderer if you were "wondering"

liliane

[estopatitiana]

i personally do not believe there is a cutoff, look at john bainbridge, davids past lifes, at the last moment he did a selfless act that releived 2 lifetimes of bad karma. i think there will be many a million of people who will awaken in this manner.

[3D Sunset]

hello to all. this is an entertaining thread, indeed. i think it's important to remember that the universe moves to own rhythmus, and these are rhythms that we cannot hear. as such, whatever will happen, will happen whether or not we believe it will. given this fact, let’s look at some of the possibilities:

scenario 1. the world is destroyed on or around december 21, 2012. in this scenario i have approximately 4 years, 3 months, and 24 days left on this planet. what should i do? well, that depends upon my beliefs about why i’m here and what happens next. the law of one resonates with me, so what i choose to do is live my life as fully as possible, radiating love and light to provide maximal support to the earth and all beings striving to graduate in the pending harvest. i continue in my job with my family living each day as though it may be my last, but also preparing for a future that i’m not sure will unfold. i meditate daily, and do whatever i reasonably can to help other people. i wake my wife and children every morning with a kiss on their foreheads and the words “i love you” whispered in their ears. i kiss them to bed at night the same way.

scenario 2. the world is destroyed prior to december 21, 2012 (note: this scenario is also applicable if i should die prior to december 21, 2012). in this scenario i have somewhat less than 4 years, 3 months and 24 days left on this planet. what should i do? exactly the same as in scenario 1.

scenario 3. the world is destroyed sometime after december 21, 2012 (note: this scenario is also applicable if i should die sometime after december 21, 2012). in this scenario i have somewhat more than 4 years, 3 months and 24 days left on this planet. what will i do? exactly the same as in the other scenarios, except that i will also have a bowl of soup for dinner on 12/21/12, and think of starwhite as i wrap christmas presents.

so what’s my point? anything that physically happens on any specific date in the past or future is transitory and is not important. as such, our beliefs about what will happen, or what has happened (conspiracy theorists take note) are not pertinent to how we should live our lives. our beliefs about our position in the universe and how to best use the time we do have available is all that matters. we use this time in the present, a succession of “now”s. if it isn't a gift, then why do they call it the present?

as a follower of the law of one, i believe that by properly preparing my consciousness and seeing everyone as the creator, i am making my biggest contribution possible to the earth and all the entities living hereon.

[starwhite]

edgar cayce, like david wilcock also predicted world wide disasters that never took place. of course dw later explained this was because ec was influenced by a negative entity by the name of 'haliel' i think. even so prophecies can cause a different future to emerge. people can change projected time lines depending on how they react to prophecies. maybe we will end up in the 4th dimension exploring a new earth, or be left in a 3rd dimension where mother earth is torn asunder by earthquakes, tidal waves and floods and wars. or maybe things will go on quietly and we will all wonder why nothing happened, and how could we have even entertained the thought for one minute about a craaazy 4th dimension....! lol!

[transiten]

hello starwhite

well, if one can look into the future it might be possible to change it, if enough pple can cooperate now to create another future....

"the one who lives will see" as we say in sweden, or perhaps "the one who dies will"....

liliane transiten

[metaman]

@ metaman i am willing to listen friend. what compelling evidence or proof can you put on the table to convince me or anyone else that an estimated 4.6 billion people will shift into the fourth dimension? sacred writings perhaps, the bible's nt rapture maybe? the mayan calender which ends in 2012? or perhaps because ra states it is so? the evidence that our dormant dna will trigger a metamorphasis of the human condition by 2012? i would like to see through your eyes. i want to believe. show me. what if on dec 21st 2012 it rains so we all stay home and enjoy a bowl of hot soup?

[moderator: legitimate inquiries indeed:) so we will allow in the spirit of thought]

i can offer absolutely no back ground credibilty to what i am visually seeing happening to the world around us right now. what i can tell you is that if someone had knocked me out cold 6 months ago and i just woke up from a coma in a geographic location i have never seen before, then they told me that i was on a different planet, i would believe them. the clouds litterally look like phosphorescent holograms all of the time. fyi, i have not touched any hallucinagen in over 12 years. this is not a 6 month long flashback.

the proof you seek does not exist. the great thing is that you do not have to know anything about it in order to go for the ride. all you have to do is be greatful and happy most of the time. don't worry about weather it is true or not. it does not have any bearing on your own personal outcome. just be sure to allow yourself to feel the super high frequency good vibes trying to flow through you.

the closest thing to proof that i have seen is this, it is not proof. however it is the most kick ass history lesson of all time. ian lungold's, rip, presentation on the mayan calendar is what woke me up. he is very accurate on how the calendar has been prophetic in the past. his only mistake was trying to predict what it was saying about the future. he made a good stab at it though.

part 1

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8689261981090121097&ei=aty3slf7mooe-qhskv2gdq&q=ian+mayan&hl=en

part 2

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-567329528148516232&ei=ydy3snige4ya-wh96nnyda&q=ian+mayan&hl=en

[Whitewolf]

you all offer some truly incredible insight into what may or may not go down during the years and months and days, and indeed hours leading up to 2012. i for one believe in the "time acceleration" hypothesis, where everything seems to be speeding up. this seems less the case now during the current galactic "fifth night" but i think will pick up again as we move into the sixth day. i agree that the more we focus our energies and attention on the good that is taking place in our world, which is consistently ignored by our mainstream medias, the more heightened our perceptions will be of the increasing light vibrations now coming into our earth's atmosphere and our collective consciousness. i think we should put some trust into our indigenous cultures who have a clear understanding about the cycles of time and human evolution. the mayan's calender is so precise that they must have had an innate comprehension into the inner workings of consciousness as it relates to the cosmos as well as our evolution and where we as a species are headed. but as many have already stated, only time will tell. one thing i can say for certain is that if nothing at all happens in 2012, we will remain at the mercy of the new world order and only a massive people's uprising will potentially be able to free us from living a nightmarish reality. if that is the case, there will be a tremendous amount of bloodshed and probable loss of life. if a large scale uprising doesn't take place, we will become enslaved, microchipped, and ultimately doomed to a life of misery. the real "doom and gloom" i foresee would be imposed by those who now run the world, many refer to them as the "illuminati". so we better hope and pray that something does happen in or around 2012, it may be the only thing that saves us from the dark ones who wish to control the minutest facet of our daily and personal lives. in fact they've already begun to advance in those regards. wiretapping, secret detention facilities being constructed, etc.

focus on love and peace, and hopefully using that visualisation technique we can transcend the limits of this third dimensional reality we endure now. look to the indigenous for hope and inspiration, for they ( i believe) hold the key to humanity's liberation.

[kilork]

imho
the 'revolution' has begun already. the secret weapon if you will, the 'cure' is the remedy provided by the laws that enable one to assert ownership of their 'strawman'. this effectively pulls the rug out from under the illuminati and any nwo. it is happening quietly, as it should. it is totally peaceful and can only be accomplished as an individual. it is the most important 'voice' you can ever whisper. it is the key to the chains it will set you free, literally. look it up.

[jslittlegirlie]

please listen and watch any of david's info on the 2012 date!!! even if there is a cataclysm here in our 3d world we will not be here to see it becuase we will have ascended by then to the 4d realm. call it the end of the world whatever, but if you know that life is continuous whether in this physical body or not (which most people here i'm sure knows life goes on after you're "dead") , does it really matter what happens to this 3d realm?? and for those of you who would insist that i wouldn't say that if i had kids, let me assure you that my 2 children are already being taught about the shift and being prepared for it.

so for those of you worried about those that might actually be left behind, i can assure you they will likely be service to self types anyway. (and they already have a plan to somehow "save" themselves).

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hi metaman and all

i watched the 2 videos with ian lungold, very instructive and inspiring about the mayan calendar....and so the final disappointment:( had this lecture been now in 2008 with the perspective on 2012....!!! nothing happened! and what more, i went into the website mayanmajix and learned that he passed away in 2005, the year he predicted that energy would be free for all....how sad....

i must admit that this fuels my own scepticism about all absolute predictions of the future...was he referring to the mayan calendar only, without any channeling material? it must be difficult for anyone coming to this website without much experience of this kind of information, seeing a video like this, and not draw the conclusion that the predictions of david wilcock may not come true either....

as i stated before, i personally don't have 1:st hand experience of any predictions about the future more than the alignment in western mundane astrology, that look very much like the crisis in the 1930:ies, and since i know astrology works - times are indeed changing - with some heavy aspects. as the outcome always depends on the level of consciousness of the individual or collective "having" the transits it's hard to believe that humanity as a collective should evolve in so few years as to handle the aspects in a way that would turn this world around....

i think john mayor jenkins has a more open, non definitive approach to the mayan cosmogenesis....

i have some tough transits myself at the moment, no wonder i'm typing this in the middle of the night, not having one single friend that even wants to think of the scenario in 2012, whatever it might be....

liliane the transit

[metaman]

his predictions may have been off, however you can back track from where he left off in 2005 to where we are now and fill in the correct events that actually did take place.

in my opinion in the 5th day the quantum computer was invented, and the 5th night it is being applied. under the radar maby, but it is being put to use.

also look at what is happening to the people who have been weilding power consciousness for service to self. they are all being exposed on a scale never before seen. moreover, no matter how hard they try to make the ethics based consciousness of obama look bad, they seemingly ****ing into the wind.

for all we know lunghold kept on living down a different time line where all of his predictions turned out to be accurate. according to what i have just heard on david's latest audio blog that is entirely possible.

[Enkidu]

hi metaman and all

i watched the 2 videos with ian lungold, very instructive and inspiring about the mayan calendar....and so the final disappointment:( had this lecture been now in 2008 with the perspective on 2012....!!! nothing happened! and what more, i went into the website mayanmajix and learned that he passed away in 2005, the year he predicted that energy would be free for all....how sad....


dr. ian xel lungold was an amazing and intelligent man. i spoke with him on several occasions and he was always kind, open minded and above all else humble. the fact that his "assumptions" on what the energies "might bring" did not come to fruition in no way takes away from the wonderful energies/lessons the man shared in his life here with all of us. to belittle that is something i cannot agree with.....

his teachings/learnings inspired me more than nearly anything i have come across in my years of research and for that i am ever grateful for his devotion and his wisdom.

r.i.p ian

continue spiraling ever upwards,
austin

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hello metaman and enkidu

i did not "belittle" ian lungold, on the contrary as i said it was a very "instructive and inspiring" lecture and he seemed to be a very sympathetic, humorous and intelligent person. also i did not say that what happened historically was not accurate and in line with the mayan calendar, i heard carl johan calleman lecture myself in gothenburg...

what i said was that pple who come into this website and forum and are sceptical, like whitestar, can understandably feel sceptical about the predictions of david wilcock also when they watch this video, especially and more so because ian lungold seems so trustworthy. also ian lungold did not bring forth the idea that someone has "the absolute truth" and that everybody must bend to that....that's waht the catholic church did to the mayans actually....

i have not read about the phenomenon "other timelines" in davids blog but i will. to a sceptic that would seem to be a way to "explain away" that nothing happened

this is a forum where you're suppposed to have the right to speak your mind, be critical and true to your own thoughts and feelings, and that's also what ra states you should.

as i've told many times before on the forum i've been brainwashed once with catastrophical cansequences so i'm just being true to myself, not believing anything just because i read it or see it on the internet. all this said doesn't mean i "belittle" divinecosmos and david wilcock.

liliane transiten

[johnasmodeus]

imho
the secret weapon if you will, the 'cure' is the remedy provided by the laws that enable one to assert ownership of their 'strawman'.

er...come again?

:confused:

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...and to tell you the truth i almost fell in love with the man, of course thinking he must already be in a relationship (but we're not supposed to mention things like this on the forum, excuse me my current venus/pluto transit) also that he mentioned vancouver the place of my astrocartographic paradise and a lot of other synchronicities, i was really saddened when i learned he was gone, which again doesn't preclude that i have the right to comment on his very precise predictions that did not occur in "this timeline". i suppose the man was not allmighty god, but human like all of us.

liliane again