Lucid Dreaming...

[marielimuria]

:( am i the only one who is scared of out of body experience? i seem to be scared of the gate you cross over that david likes to cross beyond those bounderies. i feel im being swallowed by this vast universe and im losing myself, why is that? is it wrong not to cross that stage or

[SuperManny]

look at it like this; it probably happens to you almost every night while you're sleeping, so it must be pretty safe. :)

it's probably just your conscious mind that's scared, because it doesn't remember. research has shown us that the mind can't tell the difference between a 'real' event and an actively imagined one. so every time you visualize yourself doing it and returning safely, you will be a little less scared. good luck!

[anupama]

hi marilemuria.
im scared too. think many people are. im scared of lucied dreaming too. but after starting to relate to it, im getting better at it. actually i used to be scared of dreaming at first. it didnt take me much work really. to start explore and not panic. gues most important thing is to get yourself working on it. reading about it, thinking about it and so on to tune in.

[patrod]

the last time i projected i ran into some really nasty entities. i was flying along above the hwy and all of a sudden there were 5 of them chasing me, until i got so scared i just pulled back into my body.
ever since, i have some kind of mental block and i can't even get to the vibration stage again.
has anyone else had an experience like that.

[johnasmodeus]

the last time i projected i ran into some really nasty entities. i was flying along above the hwy and all of a sudden there were 5 of them chasing me, until i got so scared i just pulled back into my body.
ever since, i have some kind of mental block and i can't even get to the vibration stage again.
has anyone else had an experience like that.

oh heck yeah. i just gave up on the process because i couldn't handle all the dark shadows and nighttime visits by decidedly unfriendly houseguests.

i received some guidance to the effect that obes are basically a side pursuit anyway, so if you find them difficult or traumatic, don't think that you have to hold on to them if you don't want to. you can just will yourself back into "phase" with your body when the vibrations come on and they should eventually stop over the course of time.

[marielimuria]

:d its good to know you'are not alone

[johnasmodeus]

indeed. :d

[balance]

obe's are nothing to be scared of, you experience them every night even if you cant recall them they are your connection to the greater truth.

we all have to get over this thing called fear, we have to work on overcoming it not giving up because of it.

the most important thing you can do for your evolution is to face that which you fear.

you can not die within the astral for you are a part of it,in fact it is the greater part of who you are. it ,this place is where you create from and if you want to take control of your creation then you must reconnect to this plane of existence even if you fear it and by reconnect i mean you must start to will yourself to recall.

[AmelieJolie]

i have always wanted to have an out of the body experience since my teens. i got this book and when my mother found out, she went her way to talk me out of it. basically, she thinks when people astral travel, they may themselves vulnerable.

i still would like to have an oobe. i just need to get myself in to the right mind-set before. "there is nothing to fear except fear itself".

[soulno7]

it's the fear of being tortured. i need to know a sure fire way to feel safe when alone and in the dark. i can't bring myself to sleep at night anymore. if anybody knows how, please email me. msg me. i am desperate.

[murf26]

hello all, i'm new to the board and very interested in obe's. i've had a couple but it's been years ago. does anyone have advice on how to get started? in my other experiences, it just happened...don't know how or why. it just did! thanks for all your replies. mike

[Metamike]

try getting really quiet in a meditation - not just a meditation but many meditations. it works for me. i haven't been able to predict it, i just know i have done it before. if you read jack londons book the straight jacket, he writes that the trick is to keep the mind awake while the body sleeps.
mike from norway:)

[MarkM]

to my mind, there's not a whole lot of difference between a waking obe and lucid dreaming; to me they both represent taking the conscious mind into the time/space realm.

i don't think i have ever achieved the full waking sense of leaving the body while awake, as in during meditation, but have achieved it while lucid dreaming.

on one memorable occasion, i was able to ground myself in the present moment and take my waking awareness into the bodily sleeping dream state, and once there, endeavored to explore my surroundings for signs of non-solidity. i got out of bed, and walked outside.

there were no signs of any physical conditions that seemed outside of everyday solid mundaneness, and recall rubbing my stubbly chin on the brick exterior of my house, becoming fully convinced of the unyielding, rough texture of the brick, while noting i had neglected to shave that day.

soon after this, i awoke, absolutely amazed at the experience.

what struck me then was that, as i had full recall of the experience and my analytical mental processes during said experience, including knowing that my body was sleeping in bed and knowing roughly what time it was and what day of the week, etc., there was no brick on the exterior of the house i was living in at that time.

i'll tell you, it's one thing to remember your dreams when you wake, entirely another thing to remember you're awake while you dream!:d

i seemed to be fully, mentally me; as awake and aware as i think i am during the day, yet the glaring omission of the fact that that house had a wooden exterior went totally unnoticed by me.

the way i got into this state was simply to fall asleep as per normal, but concentrate on the present time and concentrate on staying mentally awake while simply letting the body relax, breathe and fall asleep.

strangely, i have never been moved to repeat this experiment, and so i haven't attempted it again. i sense no fear, but don't know why i haven't tried it again. strange and indescribable, it's such a fantastic experience. sometimes you just go with your gut. i really don't sense an implicit danger, and i'd recommend that everyone try it.

i really don't know why i...actually, as i write this now, it occurs to me that i am aware of a part of myself that holds back in my spiritual becoming, as i am aware of part of myself that still clings to material encumbrances and very deep emotional reliance and 'comfortable' familiarity with the world of 3d.

it's as though i haven't yet decided to fully gather myself into a single pointed breakout from my investment into those things which amuse and fulfill the ego, at the expense of my percieved potential to very quickly attain huge gains in ability to channel my higher self.

i feel i have attained some sort of spiritual plateau, and hesitate to go further. maybe i fear the responsibility that comes with increased illumination.

wow, i certainly didn't expect to be going into this territory when i started this post! i guess i have shadow side issues that need my attention, much is still coming up from there.

should i post this or not? i feel very self indulgent right now.

well, i guess all is as it should be. thanks for indulging me in another self centered rant!:o

can anyone relate?

[AmelieJolie]

mark, its nice to read your "rant"- i'm glad when i'm not the only one. ;) :d

murf26, there are books you can buy as a guide to tuning into your ability to experience an out of the body experience.

personally, i am looking forward to experiencing one or to someday too.

my aunt told me she had one once, after reading a book which helped to instruct.
however, once out, she became nervous, and as she went back into her body, the bed shook with such force it woke my uncle up!

i may have even had an out of body experience already in the past- i do remember dreaming as a child that i was floating around my room- perhaps it wasn't a dream. ;)

anyone else experience those recurring dreams of levitation, where it feels so vivid......and you just "will" yourself to fly.....so naturally?

memories of another world perhaps.
or even glimpses into the future. :)
who knows.

[Andromeda111]

hello all, i'm new to the board and very interested in obe's. i've had a couple but it's been years ago. does anyone have advice on how to get started? mike

from my own experience, i found that diligently doing dreamwork - recording your dreams each night and examining them the next day - was one of, if the the main factor in what caused me to start having spontaneous obe's.

i had my first obe about two months after starting to do dreamwork the other year. during the time i did dreamwork, which was over the the course of about 8 months, i had eight obe's (roughly one per month) and my regular dreams each night reached amazing clarity, and...man... it was so amazing and beautiful.

sadly, somehow, for some reason, i started slacking on the diligence of my dreamwork after thinking i had it down so well i didn't have to continue w/ practicing the basics of it (such as repeatedly telling yourself of your desire to remember your dreams each night before you fall asleep). and, my dreams' quality started reducing.

so in other words, keep your effort up! i'm currently trying to start back up again and its been tough to motivate myself even though i have the inspiration, which is weird. but oh well, i'll get back to it soon enough - it's all just too life-changingly and spiritually awe-inspiring to let go of for good!

best of luck.
john

[Sue]

i find that if you "intend" for the attackers to be hit with
the "blue ray of truth", that they can't stand it and flee.
you can always use the goldenwhite christ light, too. you
can do this with shopping at the stores before you go into
them, and the vibes clear right out before you get there.
you can also just ask your guides and guardian angels to
do it for you. it works wonders! :)

i discovered this when a friend and i were sitting in a park
in town, and it was full of people. the park usually has
very nice vibes, but that day it really sucked. i asked my
friend to "do" something, since i knew he would know
what to do. he brought in the blue ray of truth, and
within a minute or two, almost everyone in the park had
gotten up and left in different directions. we sat there
with our mouths hanging open in surprise!

so i "know" this works. try it!

[geoffthomas57]

this worked for me once, but never since. during a period of some months around the time i turned 30, i was i feel, given many experiences of obe,astal travel,etc. these experiences just seemed to happen by their own accord usually between sleep & wakening. except for one time i made it deliberately happen by visualizing diving from a very high cliff into deep water.
going down down down until needing breath, i turned back up & seeing the sun a long long way up swam as fast as i could back to the surface. using the momentum as i broke through the surface of the water, i just kept going, now flying straight on up to the freedom only flight can bring! i feel these things are given to me only occasionly as the real work is right here in embodiment. lets face it,i would probably fly on forever if it was up to " poor little 3d me." anyway good luck with your quest.

[Greywolf69]

ok, this is something i was wondering about ... on the camelot interview with david wilcock, he talked a little on the out of body experiance he had and he said that he tried to get into space, but there was a barrier there (i think he mentioned that he went through 7 barriers before he got to where he wanted to go). anyway, in a couple of dreams i had, i was able to get into space, the only problem i faced was being able to control what i do in my dreams. anyway, i was wondering if those barriers are felt in the dream world too, or just when you are in the waking world, when you are trying to have the out of body experiance, and travel into space? (i hope i am making sense)

[estopatitiana]

you know what, i had a dream a couple of nights ago where i too flew into space with ease, and i wondered the same thing...what! no barriers? so im guessing that maybe in your dreams your not actually out of body even if its a lucid dream. but hey, im not an expert on these things either

[Louie]

i have a friend whos narcoleptic, and one of his abilities is that he he goes straight into rem sleep no more than 30 sec after hes nodded off.
hes been tested as having a 30 second sleep latency, apparently this is quite rare.
this leads me to believe that his penial gland is "overactive" ? secreting melatonin and mabye dmt aswell at times throughout the day.

hes recounted to me alot of his dreams and their truly amazing.

ive also been having lucid dreams lately, and have been experiencing newly aquired powers like flying - moving objects with the mind... the physics of it feel so real.

im just trying to connect the dots in my mind, has enyone else had these experiences?

thanks

louie

[MarkM]

kinda funny you should say this, as i have a power nap, usually about 20 minutes when i get home from work. (work is really adrenaline driven, an extremely fast paced and busy office)

i go straight to full blown dreaming almost instantly, and this is when i have the best benefit of dream recall.

not necessarily intimating that i have a lesser time of dream/recall at night, but have always had the easy ability to dream.. although, i don't uniformly remember my dreams.

but daytime dreams napwise go straight there, another time and circumstance, almost like lifetimes visited, but only vaguely brought over the veil. i do wake quickly, allowing for the awareness upon waking to stay at the same vibration as the dream material, thus staying with the dream a little into the conscious side.:rolleyes:

yes, i'm staying with the day, so to speak, re-living the day's energies, but it's matching space/time concerns with time/space concerns, taking the orange-thru-yellow energy out of my day, which purpose the drive home as well as the nap serve.

not that i nap in my car;)

-mark

[JayBird]

some people have them while awake.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyid=18487511

you can listen to the radio story or read it.

no charge, national public radio.

[Ewhaz]

i've known of lucid dreaming for a long time now, when i was younger i could easily do it, now a days its a little farther and fewer in between when it happens. the last one i remember i was flying. i've also been having a lot of dreams where i fly, levitate, and or move objects with only my mind lately. pretty cool if it means that these things are soon to come.

[rockyrojas88]

i often have lucid dreams about having super powers too! :)

[Angel]

hi everyone,

i am new to this forum. presently i came across some videos of project camelot and here i am. most of the discussions here are about ufos, but i am glad i see threads about astral travel and lucid dreaming. i happened to have the ability to initiate out of body experiences quite easy, of course that was achieved with lots of practice. anyway, i just wanted to reply to this tread and mention that lucid dreaming is the state of dreaming when you become aware that you are out of body. at this point your are free of the boundaries of the physical matter and and consciously can go anywhere or experience anything. the same applies for superpowers such as telekinesis, flying, teleportation etc... you can take any shapes, you can meet other people and entities. the possibilities are endless. i am truly fascinated by these night travels. i would encourage everyone to start with some techniques and experience many aspects, places, dimensions etc... of the universe.

[vithar]

what i want to know is why you can have them to then lose them. a month ago, for two straight nights, i got lucid every time i went/fell back to sleep. i've been lucid many times before as well.
now nothing. no pot either and i thought this would help in every way.

[Angel]

hey vithar,

i think once you realize you are lucid, you have to take one moment to increase the amount of consciousness projected. the more you project, the longer and more vivid the experience will be. this can be achieved by various of affirmations and commands such as " i am fully conscious", " my energy is strong enough and now i am going to.... or want to see... or want to receive an answer about...." but when you say these affirmations you have to feel the energy gain. your mind (not the words) is your tool, transporter, power etc....try to energies your astral body with your thoughts and assist with the affirmations.the less you think of your physical body, the longer you can stay out. realize that you are in a different dimension and concentrate on exploring it.

by the way if that will be helpful, my favorite technique for obe is a self created motion technique. every night when you go to bed, while falling asleep, imagine that you are laying on a boat and the waves sway it from side to side. it is very pleasant to imagine the surroundings as well. a tropical island is my favorite. try to feel the motion, the smell of the ocean, the noise of the water etc... those who have not had obe experiences so far will take about 2 to 3 weeks to achieve obe or lucid dreams. for some it may happen the same night. but the most important thing is consistency with the technique.

good luck!

[Michael Donovan]

in david's 2012 video there was a discussion of the penial and dmt. i found this very enlightening. psychologists have experimented with dmt and found it a very specific sort of 'psychedelic'. most often gigantic insects are seen that can somehow communicate, often physically 'probing' and 'reading' the subjects/'dmt-trippers'. very often the giant insect is a mantis. just google "mantis and dmt" and you can read quite a bit on this.

now to a lucid dreaming question...:
background: about half a year ago i was in a group meditation with a great group (still ongoing). one night most of us saw a giant praying mantis. i started to communicate with it, sort of took-mantis-home from the meditation, lol. (note: i do no drugs whatsoever). it was a conscious suspension-of-disbelief decision. this 'mantis' discussion is ongoing, just in-my-mind at will and relates mainly to the math in the crop formations (a group of them came down near hear - researchers saying not to give out exact location just general area). there was one related 'lucid dream', very bright and bright colored. the dream was of insects and plants wherein the life itself is what gave off the light. i had some 'control' as i could zoom in and out at will. it was almost 'more real' than day to day reality.
question: how can i increase this? angel, i have read your remarks again and again. yes, i am giving myself 'affirmations/suggestion'. experience seems to have a will of its own though. bit of fear also, though i hate to admit it. for example: i will say to myself, 'fine in mind', but i don't want to face mantis face-to-face. though i have learned to trust (particularly with help in a new form of geometry) mantis over time. what can i do besides affirmation/suggestion?????
there is something here that relates to the heart of the penial gland being composed of water. (this was also in david's 2012 video) though my astrological chart is a 'bucket chart' with the moon as handle it is almost absent water. noted that in the pyramids in russia water will not freeze until 40 below. (unless disturbed and it freezes up almost instantly). the water in the gland is 'guarded' by a 'pine cone/golden ratio' formation. this suggests that it is doing something similar to alexander golod's (golden ratio) pyramids in russia. i can't express the logic here but it seems that there is something 'almost within grasp' regarding lucid dreaming but i am not quite there.
(noting 'out-of-sequence' that crop circles are always over aquifers.)
thoughts....? (not just from angel but anyone)
michael

[Angel]

it took me some time to let go of all kinds of fears related to the obes.
my first encounters with "dead" people was frightening, although they appeared just like any other person. actually my ideas and general beliefs about ghosts caused the fear. i needed to re-evaluate what happens after we leave behind our physical bodies. i understood that this is a natural process and there was no such thing as scary , bloody looking ghosts like the ones we see in horror movies.
same thing applies for any other entities we encounter in the astral and in the physical reality as well. the fear comes from the unknown as well as from false believes formed in this reality. with positive expectations will come positive encounters and more knowledge. remember that in the astral, you can`t be harmed. one thought can take you instantly somewhere else or turn the scary monster to a beautiful butterfly.
in regards to the dmt and the mantis, i have read about it and it`s truly fascinating material. i have never used drugs though, but the chemical in the dmt affects a certain part of the brain, which i believe opens a channel to specific reality and allows contact with its habitant. again, the subconscious fear come from the mass formed beliefs and the influence from fiction stories and movies.
i think it will be fascinating to get a close face to face encounter with an alien life form(either here or in the astral). if someone wanted to harm us they would have done it already. i have had an encounter when i was 6 years old (here in the physical reality), but that`s another story.
anyway, my suggestion of releasing the fear is to increase the excitement and the anticipation of great enlightening and knowledge. i have always wanted to have a friend from another planet.

[Magical_Mongoose]

hmm...water is the basis of life. caffeine and alcohol interfere are diaretics, so if you were to cut back on that stuff and just go with purified water (sans-flouride, we know all about that) it could increase glandular water uptake and definitely your overall health
now when i'm thinking about it, i haven't been dreaming alot probably because of how much booze i'm drinking (it's the end of the school year, gimme a break :) and drinking more coffee than usual.
but there was a period where i was ld'ing nearly every night...it got to a point where i was hearing fully formed sentences in my head too, with some pretty cool insights being offerred. (i seldom said anything in return though, i found that to be really exhausting)
but they have a reality of their own, and they can be connecting you to other energy systems. your spirit-mind can literally create worlds ;) how do you think we're all here?

[Michael Donovan]

good lord, a sudden flash re pineal gland water center and pinecone shape.

in david’s 2012 tape he also mentioned that often on x-ray a calcification within the pineal water is used as a central marker wherein the radio opaque calcification is used to note if moved laterally in either direction, (as indication of possible tumor etcetera). it should also be noted that bone calcification is by some thought to be a sort of ‘hard drive’ for our system storing information. also that this crystalline calcification can go through massive changes and the changes ongoing. the flash with this was related more to the pinecone shape. i knew this was a golden ratio sequence and at first wondered if it mattered if you were sitting up or lying down. then the flash...! it doesn’t. (note also: many studies show that the cycle of the moon has giant influence on calcium growth/crystallization.)

notice that the pinecone's chips has both an increasing golden ratio and decreasing golden ratio interlocked. bottom increases and then reaches a point somewhere mid level where it begins to decrease. in that sense it is conceptually octahedral, i.e. “diamond like”. (it is, though not seen at first glance, mathematically octahedral related also but to difficult to describe.) the point being that it is fully protected water. in no manner am i judging the calcification seen with age in this location as either ‘good’ or ‘bad’. (perhaps the calcification is the wis-dome, lol.)

when david brought this up in my mind i saw the calcification within the water itself. if so i think important. even if it is, by gravity etcetera, lower in water i think it makes a difference as long as it is not on the bottom or top, (i.e. attached to the sac that holds the water). unfortunately i don’t have a radiologist in my circle of friends so if any on board know one way or the other i would be grateful.

i was amazed to see david’ many photos of ‘mystical’ pinecones in the video. what stuck out was the giant one at the vatican. i might be wrong but i think that was st. peter’s square. perhaps we should rename this group, wear aprons, have special handshakes and call ourselves the pine cone builders? (that was a joke, lol). but reminded me that post his 1985 defection(s) admiral vitaly yurchenko often referred to the “crossing of st. peter’s square” in a code that went way beyond the masonic and those remarks even in nytimes. i think this admiral was going through the stone pinecone, not by it, lol.

i even wrote a poem in tribute to the admiral but should, for clarity, first note i was relating ‘tartar’ to crimean, a ‘dirty snowball’ is a comet, and flanders fields was the famous ww i poem. also, as this international group, battle of shiloh: april 1862 in tennessee, usa. here it is:

yurchenko

did yurchenko whistle dixie
as he ‘crossed st. peter’s square’?
did he dance a little jig?
was he ‘chip’ and debonair?

guns look at guns in wonder.
bartered ‘tartar’ sauce is boss.
my dirty snowball homes to hell
aside the southern cross.

waking ghosts of blood and thunder,
breaking all the seals,
awake from stalingrad and shiloh,
awake from flanders fields.

[vithar]

i've had the insect themes [drug reference deleted], seems natural to have geometry in there as well.

when it comes to lucidity, affirmations and tricks don't seem to work too well. hopefully i can eat my words by pretending i'm on water. ha. doing reality checks all day does'nt help either.

certain drugs are one thing; abuse is another. imho.

may be more of an excuse to stay away but i've seen the test results concerning pollution. today, everyone is toxic. with the obvious caveats of course...
i'm a bit stupified how folks can live in la.

[larissa]

michael, could you elaborate on your statement that crop circles are always over aquifers (what is that?).

my initial reaction when i read about the praying mantis experience is that it may be a memory of et experimentation (???). sorry, angel, for bringing up the ufo subject.

[Michael Donovan]

first: larissa asked:
“…michael, could you elaborate on your statement that crop circles are always over aquifers (what is that?)….”
larissa, ‘aquifer’ is an underground lake. crop circles always over them. the ones that came down here are over an aquifer and on old american indian ceremonial ‘sacred ground’. as for et/ufo, i don’t worry about such nor really need to put experience into a box. just ‘suspension of disbelief’ and playfulness.
i know both ‘real’ and military copied ‘alien abduction’. but also that some of the best researchers, such as dr. mack, understand that we can no longer separate ‘other reality with physical evidence (i.e. of third kind)’ experiences with plain ‘psychic’ experiences.

angel,
i keep rereading your “yesterday, 10:07pm” post. yes. i must get rid of all fear. just to be clear, this has nothing to do with drugs, (i don’t do any), but that david had stated in video that pineal gland produces dmt naturally. i keep going back to this one sentence you posted…”
“…the fear comes from the unknown as well as from false believes formed in this reality. with positive expectations will come positive encounters and more knowledge. remember that in the astral, you can`t be harmed….”

angel, i read it again and again last night and gave myself suggestion to have more ‘vision’. had ‘third-eye-opening’ just prior to going to sleep. it lasted some time. so this was, in some sense, ‘awake’ lucid dreaming. geometric visions kept coming. though mantis not seen could feel presence. this was the result of reading your post over and over. this is what is so good about this forum. david’s positive attitude reflects here even into so-called ‘negative’ subjects.

however, there was a downside. realized in morning i had to redo problem i almost gave up on. mucky calculation and drawing after mucky calculation and drawing. there are times when mantis bugs me, (lol) (joking !!!)

seriously, this getting out of the ‘rational’ for periods is far more difficult for men. i am beginning to realize this.
so thank you, angel, very much. your post had results.

[Rachel]

i fly alot in my dreams. it's very natural, sometimes i can't even stop it i just start to float upwards. it seems so real and natural that in waking life i sometimes feel heavy and clumsy when i walk, like i should be flying cause it's the better way to travel. i also had my first astral projection a few weeks ago. it started as a regular dream then changed.

i don't really know what's going on. i feel very lost.

[Michael Donovan]

rachel,
i have some thoughts on this but the vein, (unfortunately), is more ‘scientific’. i am starting to believe that when we feel ‘heavy’ there is a link to kozyrev’s work. (i.e. torsion decreases gravity). you feel the difference when switching reality fields, (could use ‘dimensions’ or ‘planes’, same thing).
if pineal cone truly golden ratio as with pinecones, (not just similar in looks), it would be a function of the mechanism to help switch ‘reality fields’, (or any other term that you are more comfortable with).
i do know the feeing of feeling “….very lost…”, (as you said above).
stick with this forum. angel above gave me massive help. perhaps she will return to thread or perhaps busy. in any case connecting here with others will increase the amount of time you are comfortable with the ‘switch’.
m

[Rachel]

thanks, michael! i don't totally understand this "switching" but it's nice to know i'm not totally out in left field. i just know i've felt more at home in my dreams lately than in waking life and this whole lucid dream/astral projection/whatever it was that i had, lol, felt like a great place to be. i think i just need to work on building my happiness in this world despite how comforting and natural the other side feels.

i love to fly in my dreams! it feels absolutely wonderful. :)

[Michael Donovan]

rachel,
by ‘switching’ was referring to shift of realities as is ‘waking up’, ‘falling asleep’. and feel that there are a number of discrete realities and we ‘fall asleep’ for times in to others from what we call ‘asleep’. or to quote violet firth, “in a dream a thought is a thing, a mood is a place.”
on the whole i think women more comfortable with what we call ‘psychic’. men spend too much time in what we call ‘rational’. not healthy, how well i know…! lol.

back to pinecone:
there was a discussion on another thread re: difference between fibonacci and golden ratio. this was in regard to david’s statement that time increases toward 2012 reaching at that point some sort of ‘wall’ or limit. still not resolved as to why david said that, i.e. on what based.
however i note there is a possibility that fibonacci and golden ratio could be two ways of expressing same thing. certainly that argument can be made, (if or not correct another matter). a math of ‘objects’ can define pi another way, as a numeric progression of whole numbers ‘around’ (complex but there). still the two ways of defining pi aim toward the same figure. however golden ratio and fibonacci remain more similar/parallel and don’t come together. one might suggest that nature mimics fibonacci as we measure in ‘object’. plants often follow fibonacci but…a leaf is a leaf, not a fraction thereof.
in one sense you might say golden mean a true ‘spiral’ (in progressions) but fibonacci in discrete (helix) steps. but yet another argument that there is no such thing as a spiral, that all such are helix formed, just steps so small you can’t see them.

keep flying rachel. perhaps i will muster the courage to follow you.

[urbanshaman]

intense lucid? dream last night..when i am in one and i want to withdraw i can usually wake myself up, and shift spaces...last night i kept moving from 1 space to another and since they are also so 'real' it took time to realize that i had only shifted lucid spaces rather than back into sleeping body mode..after about the 5th? shift i had woke the body up and was kinda freaked out and spent time in prayer to get a handle on it...went back to 'sleep' and shifted thru a # of more lucid spaces...any comments or ideas?

[urbanshaman]

hi: i find your comments on calcification = hard drive memory interesting...i am a sufferer of ankylosing spondylitis and 1 of the main problems of this genetic arthritis is calcification of the spine etc...since i have experienced both these problems and lucid dreaming etc since i was a child i wonder about the co-relations..comments?

[vithar]

it rains on rich and poor alike. lucid dreams won't get you out of the matrix. synchronicities won't either. cut the junk food if any. get away from people for a while!

[rockyrojas88]

lol reminds me of a lucid dream i had once when i was trying to astral project. i seemed to project while either my physical eyes or my dream eye (i'm not sure, i was in sleep paralysis mode, maybe i rolled my eyes back) but i ended up going up into a fantasy land...i think.

[lala]

sometimes i wake up two times, like in the film nightmare on elm street but... without freddy ....
i'm starting to know when it is the false waking up, because i always see water on the floor.... weird.....

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

i've had a few very confusing ones also but some you swear they are real, even more real than our awakened state. one time i spend years in a dream living another life, all in one night. when i tried to wake up, it was extreemly hard to tune in to this reality. my memory was totally gone, i had no recollection of where i was or even what side of the bed i was on. i had to sit up and re-learn, o.k. there's the door, there's the window, and then i regain some sence of orientation (n.s.e.w.) ect.............. but the whole time i'm sencing a great loss, i hold on to loving memories of the dream, i've got to say, i still get a strong feeling when i go there with my mind............sylvain............

[estopatitiana]

s.s. germanus, that sounds amazing. for urbanshaman, there are a couple of books that i think would help alot in understanding the out of body /lucid dream/astral world, if you want i can send the pdfs to you, just shoot me a message. these books got me hooked and are written by the same guy who had hundreds if not thousands of o.o.b.e.'s they changed my life.

hey rockyrojas88 you posted at 10:10 my time, lol

[Robert Riedel]

dear friends,

here's the latest from paul levy, on the subject of lucid dreaming...

lucid dreaming



by paul levy


in the late eighties i was the book service manager at the c. g. jung foundation in new york. i would oftentimes meet some of the major jungian analysts in the world. one day, one of the most famed jungians of england was in the bookstore. taking advantage of one of the perks of the job, which was to get the chance to pick the brains of the leading jungian thinkers, i began dialoguing with him about a major interest of mine, lucid dreaming. lucid dreaming is when we recognize we are dreaming and continue the dream with this recognition. a few years before this conversation i had begun having profoundly significant lucid dreams which had exponentially catapulted my own process of healing and awakening. i was really curious what a traditional jungian elder would say about the cutting-edge phenomena of lucid dreaming. ... more >>


to read the rest of his essay, please go to: http://www.awakeninthedream.com/artis/dreamsjungbuddhism.htm

enjoy!

bob

[Scott Reidy]

lucid dreaming is something that i long to grasp. for quite some time now i have been keeping a journal to help with locating dream signs. this i have done and can say for the most of my dreams i have always been in the place where i grew up. i have been lived away from england for many many many years yet i always seem to be in this environment. the people, the events, the situations i am in are always in this area. still, i keep on keeping on although its becoming a little frustrating why i can't become lucid even knowing this sign.

any suggestions?

[DGCrow]

hey robert,

thanks for that link. i wrote in my dream journal before logging onto the forum here. it's been 9 days since i last recorded anything in my journal, so when i saw the thread it was a nice reminder to get more focused on my dreeam work.

i briefly checked out the essay as well as some links from levy's site. just the stuff i need right now, as i have been feeling a jungian vibe lately.

thanks again!

namaste,
doug

[Wanja Tolba]

dear fellow dreamers,
i herewith subscribe a link of a website about lucid dreaming.
from holland with love: www.lucidipedia.com/misc/index.php
wanja

[Jehanne]

hello, i have had many different experiences out of body like experiences, and i would really love some feedback from others about them. it has been about 5 years since i have been having different sorts out of body experiences, but i don't really know how to classify them of even if they are obes, there are different types of experiences and i don't really know if they are dreams, or more. starting at about the age of 16 (i had major trauma in my life as my mother passed away) i began to have waking paralysis where i would be able to see clearly my bed and pillow and wall, but my eyes would be definitely closed. i would try to move and be completely unable to do so, it this state i would scream in my head, wake up, wake up, but it would take what seemed like forever to finally be able to open my eyes and move. sometimes these states would be accompanied by hallucination type visions, noises, and sensations where i would be sure that i was physically experiencing these things.
for many years this frightened me. i do remember as a child i also had vivid and often frightening dreams where i would be sure i was experiencing something real, so i became accustomed to leaving a light on to lessen the experiences.
back on topic, then, about five years ago, i began to take naps in the afternoon and the same paralysis would happen, but i started to relax and not fight it. if i was lying on my back, i would feel a dizzy pulling sensation and i would feel as if i was floating towards the ceiling, getting closer and closer. the difficult part was to take control, get moved around, and begin flying (i was definitely not walking). often i would snap back down if i thought too much or was frightened. but when i did succeed, i would begin to explore my building, and often it was exactly as in real life, but other times it would be different. i often met other people, spirits i guess, but then even sometimes people i did really know in real life. the longer i stayed in the state, the more unreal it would become, i would pust my way through walls and ceilings and sometimes even go out into the world, into other strange places beyond. as i got better at it, i had a technique where once i started to feel the dizzy paralysed feeling, i would imagine myself climbing a rope upwards and that would usually work. when i finally was ready to wake up, i would often feel extremely cold, disoriented, and sometimes sad. i would feel so heavy and stumble a bit until i drank water or ate somthing.
this experimenting went on for about a year until one session where i returned to my body and saw it lying there, this was the first time i saw my body during a session, and it frightened me as it looked so empty. so i stopped doing the sessions (also because i talked to a respected person familar with this and was told that obes could be very dangerous if one was not trained) so i decided to stop making them happen.
since them, i have had them periodically and unintentionally, but more often lucid dreams and then a state i can only describe as being between a lucid dream and an obe. in these states i travel far, flying always, see things, meet people, and usually receive a message of some sort. i highly enjoy them, and have not had any negative experiences, so i have been wondering if i should start to train myself to have them again. i have become very peaceful in my life and feel more secure about these experiences.
please if you have any knowledge on these state, how to train for them, and how to be protected, please let me know. i am really eager to have more knowledge about what they are, how they work, and how to use them positively.
thank you so much!

[Deerclan]

i am really eager to have more knowledge about what they are, how they work, and how to use them positively.

i have found myself in the "wet blanket" role here before, and i find myself about to go there again.

i have some concerns about deliberately seeking obe's. on the bright side, i know of only one thing to be concerned about. but let's do a quick thought experiment & see where it takes us.

let us suppose your soul is originally from another place - another planet, another star system, or even another galaxy.

let us further suppose than whenever you leave your physical body in a dream state, you travel rapidly back home.

now let's say you decided you want to experience obe. instead of traveling rapidly back home as usual, you direct your soul (or astral body, or whatever term you prefer) to linger around right where it is on earth, and roam around, artistically losing yourself in all the lovely patterns in the rocks, trees, buildings, cities, railroad depots, bad neighborhoods, old and grassy graveyards, rock quarries, underground caves ... with fascinating new kinds of animals ... and strange people you've never seen before....

is it possible that you could develop new mental habits that you might not *really* want to have? or summon new "friends" into your life, new guests who like you a whole lot, and don't want to leave even after the party is over .... ?

as a young man, i threw caution to the wind in many ways. that is the way of youth, and i learned many things that way -- as often as not, i learned not to try something a second time. (i can still that big rednecky fellow leaning in my car window and asking me disturbing questions ....)

so i have said what i intended to say -- i have urged caution, and a time of contemplating a few questions before you try it.

what you do is up to you.

- deerclan

[MindOverEverything]

i agree with mark and others that the best way to have an "obe" is to become lucid in your dream state. when you realize you are dreaming, say "now i am going to go out of body."

at that point, i usually fly up and out of that particular dream and into a whole new environment. it's a dimensional shift, leaving the dream plane and going to the next higher dimensional frequency.

pm me for the name of a book that may still be in print about the details of how to program yourself to use your dreams as the launching point for having adventures beyond the body.

best,
cameron

[LastBoyScout]

would deja vu be considered a type of obe? i have it all the time, but the funny thing is that i remember the dream and what happens and then all the sudden when i have deja vu the same things happen. i remember enough in the dream to correct any negative actions or events that would affect me or someone around me.

other than that ive never had an actual obe per se.

[Makram Abu-Shakra]

i experienced many obes during my college years. over time, i kept on waking up paralyzed, unable to return to my body but being completely awake for a minute or two; very uncomfortable. i finally had to very deliberately and persistently tell my inner self to stop allowing me to leave my body no matter what. and i keep a strong will to this day (9 years later) to make sure it doesn't happen.

(the intuition which surfaced upon that initial decision was that i'd learn how to astral project with my entire being over time; this turned out to be the act of shifting the assemblage point, the carlos castenada way, which is much more safe because you remain mind/body/spirit integrated.)

i still have obes during sleep from time to time, despite my insistence to avoid them, and i am aware that it's usually a negative entity who is forcing me to get out of my physical body and then trying to keep me away. at least this is the way it seems; i could be a little too paranoid.

in the ra material, ra cautioned against the instrument (carla) being "misplaced" into a negative time/space by following a negative entity during her trance state. had she been misplaced it would have required incarnative experience in negative space/time, until the negative path was sufficiently learned. the severity of such a situation is intense.

such a story only strengthens my resolve to not obe, given that i have ample reason to believe that i am a wanderer, and god knows i have a strong will to make a difference in this aching world. my desire to bring light only grows stronger over time and i have many projects on my plate, which makes me more susceptible to psychic attack.

however, having had obes certainly helped me in my earlier years because it showed me without a shadow of a doubt that the "soul" (whatever that is) can thrive outside the physical body. it also showed me the malleable nature of reality outside the physical world. as such, it can be regarded as a good spiritual-path jump-starter, as it was with me. other than that, it didn't show me much, and i'd much rather remain in the safety of physical flesh while i am still alive.

whatever the case may be, act according to your heart's desire. i only felt i should issue my warning. many many do it without running into any difficulties.

[ayadew]

there is no best way to induce this. i can only do it when i lay down, so there's a large difference between sitting erect and laying down for me.

[Scott Reidy]

i for one welcome the obe experience. in fact i have been attempting to achieve this very state for a while now. the fact remains that all of the metaphysical topics that i study and as much as enjoy connecting the dots and enjoying the overview of these - is is still only philosophy until it is experienced. this is the one of the main reasons why i want to expand this into a truth - my truth!

some people are incredible at achieving this state without hard work and these folk i admire and am fascinated by their experiences. for as one enters the light body, so will too the experiences here in the physical, sharpen and become tuned to the invisible in such a way, that ones life wouldn't and couldn't be the same.

i have been reading a lot on robert monroe as well as many other pioneers in this field. this has propelled me deeper into investigation. i will be taking several courses at the monroe institute using the hemi sync technology available and work my way back home for a visit! its been a while!

i cant express how many skins i have shed in this life. this for me is another transition and direction i look forward to achieving!

[Deerclan]

i could be a little too paranoid.


that's entirely true. it's also entirely true that some people may not be quite paranoid enough.

[Jehanne]

would deja vu be considered a type of obe? i have it all the time, but the funny thing is that i remember the dream and what happens and then all the sudden when i have deja vu the same things happen. i remember enough in the dream to correct any negative actions or events that would affect me or someone around me.

lastboyscout, i cannot answer to you if deja vu is a type of obe, i really can't say, but the thought is interesting. it would be nice to hear other peoples feed back on this matter. i also have deja vu from dreams all of the time and it is not just a deja vu of typical sense, but from a recalled dream. one that sticks out to me was of maybe 6 years ago, i had a dream in which i was speaking french writing on a blackboard. at the time i was living in the us, going to art school, and was losing my high school french. the dream i thought was to trigger me to start practicing my french again, so i did, sporadically. whenever i would stop, i would have another dream in french. a few years later i am now living in france (which before seemed to me to be impossible) and teaching in a public school over here. i had a deja vu impression one day while i was at the blackboard writing and explaining somethings in french to the students, and it washed over me like an ocean wave!

[Didji]

by far the best, most insightful, and comprehensive document i've read on this subject is [please pm didji for the name] (google it, it's freely available). it doesn't just go in to obes, but talks about the precursors - concentration training, energy raising, and so on - things that help with other spiritual practices. what stands out for me about this document is that it just boils it down to the common denominators, the basic technique, without straying in to religion, or anyone's personal approach to spirituality.

[Purple Dragon]

i will be taking several courses at the monroe institute using the hemi sync technology

i just read [pm for title and author] who had multiple obe experiences and speaks very highly of them and there ability to help others in need of guidance. he also spoke highly of the monroe institute & the idea of it sounds very intriguing & the potential for knowledge sounds great as well.

i don't know much about obe's, i haven't read to much or been taught much. i have read a lot about people getting the paralyzing feeling, and remember having that when i was younger, but nothing recently. but i have also been reading that it has its dangers, but haven't heard what those dangers are yet.

this is a great conversation that i would love to hear more about! any insight on what experiences can be obtained any what should be avoided. i've always thought if i managed to go obe, i would love try and go to the moon and just explore to see what i could find. would that be a dangerous venture?

[LastBoyScout]

i was reading one person's take on deja vu and they said that it was basically the spirit losing track of where in time that its suppose to be as we become closer and closer to the center of the universe and as the energy shift starts to take place. he also claimed that the feeling you feel wash over you is your body readjusting to having been out of sync with your spirit since it was already in the future waiting on you to catch up.

i thought that it made good sense, so in a way deja vu would be an obe experience, or maybe an zero point reference experience ( zpre ).

[Gail C.]

hello,
i'm new to this forum and forums in general! what a neat place! robert monroe wrote several wonderful books on obes and i believe he could answer all of your questions. he also created the monro institute in virginia which helps people learn
about obes and how to have them. i had many obes years ago but not as much now.
i do miss them. i actually used a technique monroe developed called a log roll where you
simply roll out of your body like your rolling out of bed. i was only successful once doing
that but it changed my life. there is really nothing to fear as long as your silver cord is still attached. he sometimes got lost on one of his journeys but he later found that all he had to do was invision his body at home and he would be there. the silver cord is also very strong. anyway, his first book which he wrote many years ago is absolutely
excellent. i can't remember the darn title. far journeys and the ultimate journey are the second and third books he wrote. i hope this helps.
gail

[Aghsan Branch]

imho,

deja vu's are a 3d souls experience of a moment of precognition as known by the spirit. perhaps preceeded by the spirit having an obe into the future, either remebered or not until the moment "deja vu". in this way we can bridge the gab between an obe and remote viewing. one might remember that dw taught himself to channel his higherself by remote viewing audible sounds/speech in place of visual images, perhaps safer method, if any danger does exist.

can we maybe blur the lines with hypnosis, channeling, obe, remote viewing, deja vu, synchronicity, (...continue this list for me) maybe one day for all of us these experiences will just be the subtleties of another sense. for the noblest intentions of all life.

my intentions for obe's haven't gotten me too much sucess but i think i've learned some things even in difficulty. i think mention should be made to how much care and attention are given to our physical bodies. eating healthfully and light, not a lot of food or any chemical for that matter, a food is essentially a drug.

also, dedication to a method. there are many ways to reach the end of obe and no one way is the way. but i think it best to choose one and diligently work at that one. not only until success, but give a solid effort and listen to the signs and search out another to try. and remember, the journey not the destinaiton really can be good advice.

if anyone is interested in reading a book about one man's expereicences with obe's. his evolution in making them work and especially dealing with the waking paralysis pm me. its a nice little book, good conversational style writing.

agh.

[mamanique]

at least i think that is what this was.
i was reading and it was getting late, but i was so intruiged with the contents and wisdom of the book i was happy to "head bob" through it. all at once i woke up, and my body was completley paralized, i could only move my eyes!! i was terrified at first. i was trying so hard to get my hands to move, i could feel them but, no movement. i was looking at them asking them to move, and they wouldn't!! i have a chronic back condition, and i was not in a very comfortable position my back was really starting to ache. i closed my eyes in prayer to ask that i could gain control of my body. i began to sit up, and felt instant relief, got out of bed, looked to my left and saw feet in my bed. i wondered if one of my children had come in to snuggle, when i dozed off. when i turned to see wich child it was, i saw my own face. i was surprised, but somehow felt very calm. i looked at the clock, and it said it was 1:34 a.m. not knowing what to do i stood and stared. i was breathing, and my chin was on my chest, eyes closed, sleeping, book open on my lap. i wanted to help myself wake up and move, so as to help the discomfort i remembered having when i was in my body. i tried pacing around my room, thinking maybe it would build my energy enough to wake up. it was at this point i realized, i didn't have the slightest clue as to how i left my body, so how was i to re-enter? all i could do was try! i walked over to where i was laying, took another look at the clock, it was 1:38 a.m. i just closed my eyes and tried to lay in the position i was sleeping in. it worked!! but, i still couldn't move anything, except to open my eyelids. again i looked at my hands, told them to move, and again, they did not. i tried to move every part of my body, as the pain was growing more intense, to no avail. i again, closed my eyes to ask in prayer once again, that i be able to move my body to relieve the pain. i opened my eyes, felt the pain vanish and again, left my body. i couldn't see any part of the (spirit??) that was able to move, but moving it was, walking, thinking, all of the senses i needed were working, but no body... i was a little confused, i decided to look at the clock again. it was 1:40 a.m. again i decided to ask the heavens for help. as i closed my eyes, immediatley i was back in my body. i didn't open my eyes, but felt the pain in my lower body, and now in my neck. i began to cry. i didn't know what to do at this point. i felt so alone, and helpless i felt a tear ran down my cheek, and it tickled my lip, it was really itchy, so i reacted by sort of spitting my lips, it worked!! i opened my eyes, and had complete control of my intire body and was able to move out of that (at this point) very painful position. i continued to cry, and offered much thanks for my prayer having been answered. i looked again at the clock, it was now 1:42 a.m. i know with every fiber of my being this was not a dream. but , i don't understand why this happened, there was no message, no voices, no divine anything, well, (other than a prayer being answered, which was in and of itself, divine) and i am very grateful it was!!
any insight in to why this happened would be much appreciated!! i don't believe in coincidence, i believe very strongly that all things happen with a purpose, i just don't know what i was to learn from this! thank you very much for any reply.

[Deerclan]

you can not die within the astral for you are a part of it,in fact it is the greater part of who you are.

are you absolutely certain of that? i would be interested in knowing where that information came from.

[Nirvana]

i really understand your fear. i have it too, and for a long iv denied myself the fun of lucid dreaming and obe's. i can hear my higher self calling for me, wanting me to explore. but the fear stops me.. its a process of really looking into urself and find out what you really are afraid of.

basically, when you are obe, you are pure conciousness, atleast i believe so.
you cannot kill or hurt in this plane. also, remember the laws of attraction. if you fear that entities will follow and pursue you, perhaps they will. if you however believe that they cannot hurt you, because you are the creator yourself and just embrace the love, they will see you as untouchable and dont waste theyre time.

if something like that ever happens to me, i will stand my ground and show them that even though they are negative, i love them as my own brothers!
if that doesnt work, well.. guess il just get the hell outta there :p

what really got me to think differently was this: "am i denying my own divinity?" yes i was. and im not gonna fall for fear.

[LastBoyScout]

several weeks ago, i had a very interesting experience; but first a little back story.

i have been slacking as of recently with doing my meditations. i eventually ended up having a very indepth discussion with a friend of mine who meditates several times a day and does so in part as a massage therapist who also does energy work while giving a massage.

we talked about the basics of meditation and i came clean about how when i meditate i end up with large gaps of time missing. it could be as short as 10 minutes but has been as long as the next day when my alarm clock goes off. most the time it hinges right around an hour or two. i explained that i had quit meditation because i thought i was falling asleep while sitting and meditating because i always awoke refreshed and clear headed. he kinda chuckled and told me about how he goes on obe's and uses afrikan drum music to make sure he can find his way back to his body. he assures me that i am slowly but surely on the path to having obe's as my "loss of time" is exactly how he slowly starting having obe's.

so after talking more about it and i became comfortable with the understanding that my conscious mind had let go and my subconscious is in control during these time gaps, he gave me a cd called "awakining kundalini" that features binaural beats. being familiar for years with these beats and being an avid user of imusic for studying and other activities, i decided to give it a shot.

i listened to the cd and did not lose any time, but did seem to be extremely centered and focused. so i go and lay down in bed. for years i have had a high pitched buzz/hum that i can hear and in the past year its only gotten stronger. if i ignore it, then i stop noticing the noise. if i focus on it, i can get it to sound louder and louder. after meditating to the cd, i can audible hear the buzzing noise. so as i am laying in bed, i begin to focus on it as a kind of meditation. acknowledge random thoughts, let them go, focus and intensify the buzzing noise. before i realize it, im asleep.

i then wake up. you know, one of those someone is in my room what is going on fully awake states kind of things. so i wake up completely to see an orb of what i can only describe as fuscia color floating over my open collection of bibles. (i had an issue with a pesky entity and keeping bibles open to the book of john seems to help) this orb is floating right over one the bibles and i can see my room being filled, but not completely, with a fuscia colored light. i can see the blue color of my wall with the fuscia reflecting off of it as the orb is about a foot away from it hovering over this bible as close as you might lean your face to read small text. as i lie there just astounded and marveling at the fact that the orb is putting off strong enough light that the orb itself almost looks white and i can make out the circular shape of it.

all of a sudden, the orb rises up about 3 feet, putting the orb about 6 and a half feet in the air. it hovers for a second and then rushes straight for my face.

i then wake up an indefinate time later to see a light pink orb floating about 3 feet away from where the fuscia orb had originally been. since it seemed like only seconds ago a fuscia orb came at me, and i realize that the last thing i remember was it almost hitting me in the face, i closed my eyes.

the next day, im some what disheartend that i was afraid, but this was some crazy heavy stuff!

i've seen some spiritually supernatural things before and constantly have dreams/premonitions/deja vu about the future that come true, but this was on a much deeper and thrilling yet befuddling level.

someone, anyone, please help me out. my friend suggested that i perhaps finally had an obe and maybe became conscious before i had fully returned to my body, but i dont know what happened. something deep down tells me that it was much bigger than simply escaping this reality for the night. something tells me that this is going to happen more and more.

p.s. i had a dream last night about sitting cross-legged and floating in a pyramid in egypt. i then took off over the desert with several other people who were floating/levitating the same as me. am i crazy to be excited and feel like im flipping out at the same time?

[Nirvana]

hi markm!

it sounds verry familiar, the scenario you describe. im also holding myself from spiritual development, without really knowing why. its like im waiting for something to happen before i can fully let go of this realm, no longer having any ties to anything this plane holds. its sort of tricky i think, when you are 23 years old and have yet to discover so many things and experiences. nevertheless i spend my days pondering and slowly letting go.

first step to me was addictions and bad relationships, i have completed this now.

for some reason i have taken a little break from studying things, just reading a little law of one everyday. it seems im spending more time in myself, meditating, thinking, questioning, untill im finally ready to plunge into the depths of both obe and lucid dreaming (which i easily obtained a few years ago, using the wild teqnique)

i can however, hear my higher self calling me. but we are patient and not pushing ourselves into anything. step by step, i'll know if im to ascend or not.


if im not ready, thats fine really.. there's still alot to learn, and those who do not ascend at this harvest, in death, they will truly see themselfes as ready or not. i dont think theres any 'letdown' in returning to a new 3d experience. my creator is waiting for me, but he is patient. he has waited an eternity, and will happily wait another eternity for me\us\you :)

[MichaelFromGod]

mariel,

i was meditating one time many years ago, and i felt i was starting to blend into the environment, i was part of the walls, the furniture everything, i didn't know where i began or ended, it lasted only a second because i panicked, what a shame and loss, it could have been a very nice experience, i will not do that again.


michael :eek:


:( am i the only one who is scared of out of body experience? i seem to be scared of the gate you cross over that david likes to cross beyond those bounderies. i feel im being swallowed by this vast universe and im losing myself, why is that? is it wrong not to cross that stage or

[noppy]

i had obe during sleeping i was just fasinated how i sleep. so it kept coming and i travel to somewere.

but after a while things started to . i was dreaming, i saw myself sleeping and i saw what i would see if my eyes were open. i saw the future. how i would feel about it all at once. i most of the time woke up between 2;45 and 3;35 in the midnight in a shock beause it was just to confusing. i could not tell what the difrence was anymore between all of that. i just stoped .now i am more experience i am gonna try it again.

[Jon]

hi, i am new around here. i got very interested in this stuff a few weeks ago when i first saw one of david's video's. i have been trying to learn about this stuff as much as possible. i have finally started to read the law of one which seems to be a ton of reading. anyway, i have a question about astral projection.

is there a difference between an astral projection and a lucid dream? i have been trying to do some research but the more i research the more confused i get.

is it possible to die while having an astral projection? i have read that it is not possible but here is my question. if someone dies during an astral projection then how would anyone know? it's not like the person can come back and say "oh i died during my astral projection." maybe we only think we can't get hurt because all document cases come from the people who do not die.

i think that i may have had something close to an astral projection this morning. i woke up before my theology class and i decided to lay in bed and wait awhile before getting ready. while laying there i felt a ton of energy running through my body..i felt like my body could not contain my energy. i feel this feeling about 3 to 4 times per day when i focus on my energy. i felt vibrations rushing through my body and i felt like i was going to rise out of it. so i decided to try to roll out of my body. i got half way and as i did this, it i felt this unique burning sensation and it kind of scared me so i stopped. the problem was that i could not get myself to move when i stopped. i felt stuck. i had to jerk myself a few times before i was able to move.

also, is it possible for a spirit to come and take over my body during an astral projection? my theology teacher says that she has some friends and that have had bad experiences of spirits moving into their body.


thanks

[AmelieJolie]

does anyone know if astral travelling is safe......are there any risks involved at all?

[Cotton]

does anyone know if astral travelling is safe......are there any risks involved at all?

what needs to be understood is astral projection is not travel as you think of it. you don't actually leave your body and go somewhere. astral projection is merely getting much much closer to your higher consciousness. there is no need to fear obe's and astral projection.

[HalexandriaAngel]

listen up, it is very scary to leave or dabble in realms that you are not currently residing. you should never ever willing go without purposefully protecting yourself through some kind of prayer or ritual. i would even suggest, calling up to ra and his walls of light a little ahead of time to give them a heads up to let them know your coming. i am sure they would be happy to provide you safety so that you would not need to fear.

i am not so sure that hanging out in other realms is a good thing to do, but i can't see it being a problem every once in awhile with protection . i could be wrong on that last part though.

if you are going somewhere you have not intended , stop going .. simply stop it. its all an illusion remember that, and own your own experience.

easier said than done i hear that too. hehe

[RayneboWolf]

halexandria ,your right on the mark.i have travelled to other dimensions and physical places (verified by people sensing my presence and me being there in astral -so thats all backed up :).on occasion i have been taken and its not felt very good ,so i resisted each time,hearing laughter and sensing insectoids who where waiting on more than one occasion.so yes use protection and if your taken use your free will.it works but takes alot of energy to resist the pull.since the teens i have travelled but it`s not frequent anymore,in fact it`s now rare for me .one of the most freaky times was when i was not going anywhere of freewill or being "taken", it was when a set of coloured interlocking circles hovered over my bed,that freaked me out so much i shot out of my body and hid by the side of a wardrobe,the lights followed me and came and "peeped" around the side ,scaring me even more ,so i saw myself jump back into my body.some beings i have met on the astral have felt loving,they were telepathic and sent a message saying "we are your family" .i met them after astrally travelling at great speed across an ocean,i was very close to the surface of the water too.when i met them they were waiting for me upon a beach.there was a man a woman and a girl and boy but they had no hair and appeared clay like in texture and colour with slits for mouths .i could see that they looked exactly like us apart from being hairless and clay like and sex was easily identifiable as was age range ;ie. man ,woman ,girl and boy.
love tim ~x)o(x~

listen up, it is very scary to leave or dabble in realms that you are not currently residing. you should never ever willing go without purposefully protecting yourself through some kind of prayer or ritual. i would even suggest, calling up to ra and his walls of light a little ahead of time to give them a heads up to let them know your coming. i am sure they would be happy to provide you safety so that you would not need to fear.

i am not so sure that hanging out in other realms is a good thing to do, but i can't see it being a problem every once in awhile with protection . i could be wrong on that last part though.

if you are going somewhere you have not intended , stop going .. simply stop it. its all an illusion remember that, and own your own experience.

easier said than done i hear that too. hehe

[poll]

i've just finished reading one of david wilcocks books and am very intreged about his lucid dreams. when he talks about being in an alien aircraft and seeing other astral planes i have a very hard time being able to believe this, i do believe what hes saying however i feel as if i need to experiance this inorder to believe it. has anyone else experianced these same lucid dreams ? if so how are u able to control yourself to do so? i would love to be able to see what david sees in my dream, as im sure alot of other people do, how can i train my mind to do so?

thanks,

[eagleye]

poll,

it is all true. i have also had dreams like this and continue to have them. although i don’t have the ability to have them whenever i want, they still occur with increasing regularity. like you said the only way for you to find out is to have a lucid dream yourself. the control comes once you are awake in the dream. many of the limiting beliefs that you have in space/time do not exist for you in the dream world, so you are able to do things that many consider to be superhuman.

for the last couple of months i have had dreams where i am able to fly. but it is more like a skill than just an automatic ability. when i first started to fly in my dreams i could not really control it that well. i always pick up where i left off in practicing how to fly with each new dream. the more dreams i have of flying the better and faster i get. and let me tell you it’s a blast!

also many people think they have had a lucid dream when they have not. a lucid dream is when your conscious ego self becomes aware in the dream and takes over. a lucid dream is not simply a vivid realistic dream but is much more than that. it is a joining of your conscious and subconscious self in the dream so that when you wake up you have a clear memory of what the experience was actually like. this creates a kind of mental bridge for you to be able to compare the two realities. once you have a true lucid dream your perception of the reality of this world will most likely change forever. you will at that point realize that when you are dreaming, your consciousness is in a real world, and a real alternate dimension, not just vague abstract thoughts. with a normal dream the memory of your dreams are not really like what you experience when you are actually in the dream. the astral plan is just as real as when you are awake in this realm. most people don’t know this because their memory of it is not accurate.

in order to be able to reach this state you have to train your conscious self to wake up in the dream. this is mainly done by placing a reminder within your conscious mind while you are awake and repeating it over and over until this reminder enters your subconscious mind. once it is embedded you can then recognize it in the dream when it appears. when you see it or experience it in the dream you will be triggered to wake up within the dream. usually the best way to do this is to keep a record of your dreams. this has to be done the minute you wake up because your memory of the dream will fade fast. once you have this record you can then look over it and find the objects or events that continue to occur on a regular basis. everyone has these repeated occurrences, only it is unique to the individual what those things are. use the most reoccurring thing as the reminder that you will embed into your mind. that way you can be sure that it will appear in the dream to act as the trigger.

there are all kinds of books and training courses available on the internet that will teach you to implement certain techniques. you can even go to youtube. it is actually very simple to do once you see what needs to be done. personally i did not have to buy any courses. i just researched it on the internet for about an hour. once i got an idea of the basic concepts, i was able to have a lucid dream within a week of implementing the mental exercises while i was awake. i’m not saying everyone will be able to do this. i am only saying that this was my personal experience.

another thing that i did besides the techniques i read about, was to continuously mentally repeat to myself that i would wake up in my dreams. i did this over and over throughout each consecutive day.

another method i used in conjunction with all of the above is getting myself to the point of believing just before i went to bed that i would have a lucid dream. i meditated about lucid dreaming as i was falling asleep. when i got to the point of having no doubts that it would happen, that is when it finally happened. unfortunately i got so excited the first time that i actually woke myself up almost immediately. so that is something else to keep in mind. you want to stay calm and relaxed once you wake up in the dream so that you will stay in the dream. hope that helps. ;)

[noppy]

does lucid dreaming equals imagination? or is imagination to tool that you can use for lucid dreaming and psychic ability ? if so than :d :d :d things are easyer than ever.

[poll]

poll,

it is all true. i have also had dreams like this and continue to have them. although i don’t have the ability to have them whenever i want, they still occur with increasing regularity. like you said the only way for you to find out is to have a lucid dream yourself. the control comes once you are awake in the dream. many of the limiting beliefs that you have in space/time do not exist for you in the dream world, so you are able to do things that many consider to be superhuman.

for the last couple of months i have had dreams where i am able to fly. but it is more like a skill than just an automatic ability. when i first started to fly in my dreams i could not really control it that well. i always pick up where i left off in practicing how to fly with each new dream. the more dreams i have of flying the better and faster i get. and let me tell you it’s a blast!

thank you very much eagle eye, i now have a better view on lucid dream and like you i have also had a dream where im flying, it was probably the best dream i've ever had

i will be sure to try these methods

thnaks again,

[eagleye]

you’re welcome poll.

noppy and others,

yes it really is that easy if we can accept that and believe it. the problem is most people create a perception of separation between this reality and their imagination. somehow they believe these two things are independent of each other. the essence of the law of one is that all of creation is actually an imagined experience. but not imagined as most people understand this term. imagination results in the concrete, not just the abstract, as most people think of it. creation is an eternal dream with infinite experiences. this realization however does not invalidate the experience; it only makes it more exciting as the possibilities suddenly become limitless.

the only thing that really exists is one infinite consciousness, every thing else that seems separate is a distortion or an illusion. therefore the separation that we perceive in the different dimensions does not actually exist. we only imagine ourselves to be here or there, when in reality the environment is actually you because it is made of your own consciousness.

another aspect of this is that the one consciousness uses its imagination to actually experience itself as each element in the environment, all the way down to subatomic particles, further down to infinitely small, then all the way up to the infinitely big and expansive universe. every detail is imagined and experienced by infinite consciousness. this is a vastness of experience that we cannot currently comprehend. our human mind is just to slow to be aware of all these things at once. but it is not really physical, you only imagine physicality. there is only one consciousness; therefore it is not possible to have something in existence that is separate from yourself. you can only have the illusion of that thing existing as a reflection of yourself.

we are the dimensions; we are not really in the dimensions. therefore we have the ability to consciously access them because we are only accessing our self. but before we can consciously do that we have to break down the programming of the mind. this programming is constructed simply of belief systems. it is like a wall which is built up to block access to the rest of our consciousness. so, the box of limitation we live in is the result of our third density mind. it is that simple. the only way to get outside of it is to imagine your self out. expand the possibilities with your imagination. it is not possible for us to imagine something that cannot exist somewhere, somehow. infinite possibilities require an infinite imagination. so we are all co-creators. the tool we use to create is our imagination.

imagination is the essence of all creation. it is what makes creation possible. those who learn this and are able to bring themselves to believe it fully are then opening themselves up to the possibility of developing superhuman abilities. this is how we get magicians, wizards, and the adept of any and all practices designed to expand consciousness. i’m not talking about tricksters; i am talking about the real thing, their have always been a few individuals, in our dimension, who have figured this out and were able to transcend our perceived limitations.

i am going to state a very simple formula. it is the formula of our universe and all creation. belief = limitation. that is the first side of the coin. the flip side is belief = expansion. we are all on the journey of eventually expanding to infinity. this means the ability of experiencing the imagination of all that is in existence. in other words we become all that is. the limitation we currently experience is only a brief stop along the way. we only imagine ourselves to have a consciousness that is smaller than infinity.

most people understand that the dream world is an illusion, but they have not yet come to the point of also accepting that the supposed real world is also an illusion. they can accept that they forgot about this life when they were dreaming. but they cannot accept that they also have other lives they have also forgotten. we think that we are awake but we are actually in a kind of sleep, waking up means connecting back to the other aspects of our self. so we are in a dream, within a dream, within a dream. each dream or dimension of consciousness is a layer of our self that allows us a certain kind of experience.

lucid dreaming can allow us the first glimpse of understanding this. once we cross it and can see the true nature of reality, all kinds of amazing adventures await us. i feel like mine has just begun. i have only known these things for a short time and already i have had things happen to me that i never even imagined could be possible, things that took place both in this realm and in the astral plane.

sweet dreams everyone. :)

[MarkM]

eagleye, excellent and well written! i find your post to be inspirational, and damn worthy of meditating on.

i’ve lately had some more lucid dreaming episodes, and would agree with your ideas on how best to achieve such a state. for me the key is to simply hold in mind the intent to take my conscious awareness of the time and place in which i lay me down to sleep, and maintain a constant focus on these space/time co-ordinates, not allowing myself to drift away into a slumber which disconnects from the here and now. this automatically ‘encapsulates’ my conscious awareness, anchored by place and time.

with this (and concurrently) i find my usual falling asleep position, and bring on the heavy breathing associated with the normal falling asleep process. here, the body is not aware that anything unusual is happening as long as i maintain a good measure of relaxation and stillness. a toss here and a turn there doesn’t seem to make a difference as long as i continue to go through the normal motions of falling asleep. all the physical cues are present for the beginnings of physical sleep, and soon the inner eye becomes more active and the images of random and passive imagination start to vivify.

throughout the process, i’m still focused ever so gently but continually on the fact that i’m staying in the moment and place, not letting go for a second – yet after a while the dreamscape becomes more and more vivid until the images, sounds and impressions pop into an environment with me fully within the environment.

i begin by poking around very slowly and tentatively, still aware of the fact that i’m in bed on a wednesday evening at approximately 11:30 or whatever, and this link to my waking self to me is analogous to the ‘silver cord’ tether which is described by many who have experimented with astral travel.

now that i’m in the dream and aware of it, there’s no longer the need to focus on my body in bed because i’m now fully in the dream environment and fully aware of it. i usually maintain an intellectual or rational frame of mind for a bit until i satisfy myself that this dream reality is as solid and tangible as the normal waking environment. i can literally bloody my knuckles against unyielding surfaces! going off too fast from the nuts and bolts solidity aspects for me can result in forgetting my waking self, and just drifting off into normal dream experiences un-tethered to my waking mind.

flying is something i’ve done to a limited extent, usually able to make a great leap; something like doing a long jump in track and field – maintaining the position of having one leg extended forward and one leg behind. i can then travel for huge distances, gliding a few feet above the ground and willing myself to keep going forward; seldom having to take a step. i have reached out and touched the leaves of trees as i have passed, much as i do when i’m riding my bike through trails in the woods in waking life.

i’ve also had some instances of being attacked in this state – and although one can suppose that the weird things i’m encountering are aspects of disquiet in my own mind, i’m not enough of an expert to say that i haven’t been visited in this state by discarnate astral entities, as i suspect i have. an awakening soul in 3d isn’t always fully in a loving or green ray place, so i’d advise that you are in a good, positive frame of heart before attempting this experience.

i wrote about this a year or so ago on this forum, and described then a feeling of not being too comfortable with continuing too far with this practice. i still feel somewhat the same way, yet have a bit more insight into the reasons why.

as i’m only somewhat into the process of becoming lucid – awakening from the dreamlike amnesiac state – in this 3d space/time ‘reality’, (in other words, only partially able to pierce the veil of forgetfulness) i’m aware of being very much still a person who is engaged in a very intense period of meeting self and confronting my less than loving aspects. my awakening process started decades ago, and i believe i have by choice gone on to some heavy past life issues which are coming to the surface at present. as it is with past life memories being veiled for good reason, so sometimes one can be veiled (for good reason!) from abilities and insights which can be effectively like putting a ten year old behind the wheel of a car.

so i’d advise any who delve into such amazing and good practices such as lucid dreaming, remote viewing, astral travel or divination/channeling practices, etc., don't push it!! listen to your inner guidance and be sensitive to any gut feeling that heralds a hint of unease or trepidation or any intuitive nudge that some experiencing may in any way at all not feel right or good.

develop your own protecting touchstones or rituals. the form of these is only important insofar as your intent is to be protected and guided by your own higher self, as well as any higher positive power or benevolent guides that you feel you may have at your side.

i’ve come to find that i intuitively feel that there’s only so far i can go into experiencing time/space intellectually without my shadow issues bubbling up and opening me to being attacked – so stay fully within your own comfort level, and above all go into this in as high a state of harmonious good and loving feeling as is possible. back off if you feel any hint of unease or any sense of ‘stretching’ your natural limits or your native sense of reality and ‘good feelings’.

it’s a great place to go, if you are careful... and not too prone to accept any ol’ invitation you may receive while in this state! in time/space, there is a certain amount of limitation when it comes to being aware of personal indiscrete behaviour! certain aspects of you come out fully and without normal waking discretion, even though you're 'lucid'. all folks will have some measure of being open to their unresolved issues - all of us!

it’s not too different from being an awakening soul here in this world. for me, my markers on the spiritual road keep me grounded in the law of one and the fact that the entirety of the creator exists in every apparent separate integer. the recognition of growing feelings of unconditional love of selves, acceptance of all conditions, gratitude for all catalyst, and admiration of the paths of all evolving life-forms -- crossed by healthy boundaries and a discriminating (wise) maintenance and protection of one’s own energy bodies -- increasingly able to watch and jus' love on it all impassively from the sidelines, is as necessary and vital for the those awakening to love's reality there as it is here. mark

[eagleye]

markm,

thank you for the compliments, they are appreciated. also, thank you for describing how you get into a lucid dream state. i think your way is better than mine because you don’t have to rely on the reminder to show up in the dream. that means you have a better chance of achieving the state.

it is good to know it works. i have been trying to do what you do, but did not know if it was possible to skip the short lapse of loosing consciousness before being triggered by the reminder. i have gotten close, usually to the point of feeling the pineal gland activate with the more vivid visions and sounds like you describe. unfortunately i have never been able to stay connected to my body during the full transition. i always end up passing out suddenly. now that i have read your post i am going to try harder to stay aware of my body instead of just my conscious awareness. i think that may do the trick. thanks again for that.

also in regards to the negative aspects, i have never personally experienced any. i think you are right in the reason for this. if you go into it expecting love and harmony that is most likely what you will get. the closer people can get to this state in normal space/time, the better it will be for them in time/space. the laws of karma apply equally in all dimensions. so whatever you subconsciously focus on, will then be drawn to you in the realm you are currently focused in on.

the best way i have found is to let go of any fear that could be associated with the experience before engaging it. if someone cannot let go of the fear before entering this state i would not recommend they attempt it. also the most powerful thing is to believe you are protected. if before going into it you believe you are being opened up to attack, then i regret to say, you will most likely get that as well.

on another note, it was funny to read about you testing the solidity and realness of the dimension. i do exactly the same thing! i am so fascinated by the fact that i am having the experience i just can’t get over it. because of this i spend a lot of my time testing things. like knocking on wood, looking at my hands, pinching myself to see if i feel pain, looking at pieces of dirt or grass on the ground, thing like that. it is amazing to see how the same amount of detail we see here is also there, just in a different way. things don’t look exactly the same. for instance everything seems brighter, the colors are more vivid, and beautiful, and things can morph and change. but it is a very real and solid environment.

another difference i notice for me personally is an overall feeling of well being and euphoria. the heavy weight of negative emotions does not exist at all for me when i am there. it was like being on a combination of certain recreational drugs, but with a crystal clear mind. :)

[tysong]

i thought you werent able to feel pain in dreams. last night i had a dream that i was laying under the stars a girl was with me. a tree was there a face appeared on it and said to us an angel will kill you tonight. we then both went into a house laid on the couch. the door burst open she put her head to my chest i told her there would be no pain. i then closed my eyes i felt a presence i kept my eyes closed and felt three long claws pierce through my ribs into my lungs on each side. it was some of the worst pain i ever felt. i open my eyes and see a face of a human but it was demonic.i look at my sides it was not me that had been penetrated by the claws but the girl. the demonic face then asks me why can you feel pain you are asleep. he then walks away for some reason i follow we are in a old wood house i feel as if he is taking me to something worse so i force my self awake. when i awake i can hardly breath and still feel the pain where the claws were. it was not the pain or the fact the tree said i would die it was the fact that it was a demon or demon possed person that was there that scared me. i still feel as if i should of followed him. should i try and go back.why was the pain so bad in a dream and when i awoke?

[noppy]

i know what you men tysong i had alot of those dreams.

maybe it because the mind can not tell the diffrence between imagination and 'reality'. and because of the emotional energy that is created in the dream that causes that experience and even after you woke up you can stil feel it.

i don't know it realy i'm still figuring it out myself, lately i can not tell the diffrence between a dream and reality. i think i was not dreaming, that i was in 'reality' than when i wake up i experience the same thing in my dream, as if i traveled trough time and experience the future or someting. it happens alot sinds 2010 came.

[tysong]

noppy this is the same for me the realistically of my dreams did not start happening until this year. it may be the timing where is that i started learning about dreams pineal gland and davids work until around the begging of december. but since the new year my dreams have been becoming more real and i am now being able to do as i want in my dreams. in one i was standing on a platform looking at this enormous ball of light, i wont go into the dream to deeply but i end up making a pyramid appear with my mind it opens up i enter and am able to suddenly appear on mars then venus and finnaly earth.at the end of the dream i go back to the platform look at the ball of light i then relize that it is energy and through this light i am able to do all things. last night watching return to camelot i realize that the ball of energy was the creator and we all are able to do all things through him because we are all part of him. we are him experiencing diversity.

[Ross hamilton Hill]

:( am i the only one who is scared of out of body experience? i seem to be scared of the gate you cross over that david likes to cross beyond those bounderies. i feel im being swallowed by this vast universe and im losing myself, why is that? is it wrong not to cross that stage or

practice make perfect. the fear is that you will lose your identity (ego/superego) and in a sense you are but of course you return to you normal self once your experience ends. many people experience this problem with psychosis or on acid trips and other drug induced experience. the good thing about natural experiences like lucid dreaming or meditation is that it lasts only as long as you want it to. this is true even in dreams, nightmares can be terrifying but only to a point, then you wake.

[Ross hamilton Hill]

:( am i the only one who is scared of out of body experience? i seem to be scared of the gate you cross over that david likes to cross beyond those bounderies. i feel im being swallowed by this vast universe and im losing myself, why is that? is it wrong not to cross that stage or

also, yes fears have to be faced. if not astrally then actually, ie panic attacks, acute anxiety, phobias, neuroses, are all fears on different levels. saints always grappled with demons, what we would now call subconscious fears. call them what you like they are still real and obviously have to be dealt with otherwise you live under their influence.

[conundrum]

i seem to snap out of it gasping for breath before i get there.. apparently sitting in a chair helps not that i have tried that yet.

[WhatsUpJulieB]

i have been a lucid dreamer for a long time. i have had some very spiritual experiences. since my head injury i have had three sleep studies. i no longer have all the stages of sleep. i go into rem within five minutes of falling asleep and dream almost all my time in rem stage. the best way to be aware of your awake self while in your dream is to wake yourself up in the middle of the dream. you do this by setting an alarm when you estimate how long it will take you to get into rem. the average person goes into rem after 70 to 90 minutes of sleep. when you wake up after you turn off the alarm, try to go right back to sleep. if you remember what you were dreaming, you start that dream again. just go right back into it. just like if you pause your t.v. for a commercial break to walk away from a show. when you start it back, you know where you left off. so start your dream where you remember you left off. now you are manipulating your dream. you have to consciously make it up as you go along. you will fall back to sleep but still you now know that you are dreaming. you can then take control of your dream and do what you want. practice this until you get better. if you wake up and you do not remember your dream, then you either were not in rem or you just need to keep trying.

soulno7,

my friend,
do not be afraid of demons, as long as you are tied to your body, (which you will be until death) they can not touch you. they can pester you, call out to you, whisper to you in the night, but they can not harm you in any way. look at it this way. you do sleep at some time during the night whether you notice it or not. if they could touch you or harm you they would have already done so. this is very frustrating for them so they try to intimidate you. remember, you are your own reality.

[estopatitiana]

just remember these "demons" are a mirror of you, they probably need help more than anyhting. see them for what they are and send them love!!

[WhatsUpJulieB]

you are so right! love is the best way of all!

jules

[Cynthia II]

hey everyone -- i've been working on lucid dreaming lately. lots of things, coming through and usually i'm able to put them into words on awakening, but ..... recently i've been having a recurring one. it is words. i feel like the words are something very, very important to remember and i go over it over it in my mind while i'm dreaming, but when i wake enough to try to say it or write it, poof! the whole thing just dissipates.

anyone have any suggestions on how i might better capture that dream message?

[Cynthia II]

you must be very connected to the physical. just let go:)

[Nicole]

in my last lucid dream, i looked in the mirror and saw an alien face- has anyone ever had this experience? it freaked me out a little, as i looked nothing like i thought i would. by human standards, i was not very attractive looking- lots of bumps and kind of a square cream colored face. very weird!

nicole

[evolving]

in my last lucid dream, i looked in the mirror and saw an alien face- has anyone ever had this experience? it freaked me out a little, as i looked nothing like i thought i would. by human standards, i was not very attractive looking- lots of bumps and kind of a square cream colored face. very weird!

nicole

perhaps by alien standards, humans are not very attractive looking :p

i have not had this dream, but may i suggest you consider that it symbolizes the undiscovered part of yourself. it also may be your way of 'escaping' from reality. dreams of this nature may also symbolizes your outlandish ideas and your wild imagination.

[JoshERTW]

i've been recording dreams since december 2009, and last night i had my firstsecond lucid dream (since childhood anyways where i had a few) since starting the dreamwork. the first was a bit of a fluke and i was only partially aware of the situation, but last night, before falling asleep for the third time (we have a new baby which wakes us up several times a night, which is actually turning out to be a good thing: more shots at a lucid dream in a given night), i said to myself "i want to remember to realize i am dreaming next time i am dreaming" and a while after, midway through another dream, i looked in a mirror and realized 'hey, i'm dreaming.' at this point i tried to levitate myself, and showed some of the characters in my dream that i could do it, and that none of this was real, in the physical sense at least. none of them really seemed to care. i didn't think to try going higher, i wish i had now, or tried to seek out knowledge. at least i've got my foot in the door so to speak.

if you are having trouble getting lucid dreams just keep at it, took me three months. might help to set a coulpe of alarms and go back to sleep right after, telling yourself you want to realize your dreaming each time, at least tahts what my daughter has done for me :p

[Vanya]

Anyone else feeling that something big is not far round the corner?

Some years ago I had a very clear and lucid dream: I was in a kind of round room with a sort of "touch screen" as one of the walls. There was this "booming" voice behind me which said "We will show you this only once".

Then I was shown a map of Europe. I could use my hands to navigate (pan around the image) and zoom in and out.

The thing with this map was that it was a map after "The Flooding" had occured. The Netherlands and Denmark and large parts of the UK were under water. The huge lakes of Sweden, Vänern and Vättern were connected to the sea. Large areas of eastern Europe were more or less salt marshes.
I had a good look at the map before I lost lucidity and sort of lost myself in those marshes (haha :o)
But the general idea has stuck in me for many years now, and I've sort of wondered when those things might happen.

These past few days I've had this very weird feeling that it's not too far off now. It's freaking me out a bit.

Any ideas anyone??