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wintersun
08-20-2008, 06:32 PM
I noticed in book 1, sessions 5 and 6, that Ra explains a technique of healing in quite a detail. However, this is quite hard to comprehend. I actually barely understood some basic concepts.

Has anybody studied this more?

daresh
08-22-2008, 04:41 AM
I noticed in book 1, sessions 5 and 6, that Ra explains a technique of healing in quite a detail. However, this is quite hard to comprehend. I actually barely understood some basic concepts.

Has anybody studied this more?


Hi,

I also studied the healing techniques and I ran into the same problem as you as they are not so easy to implement starting from scratch.
But after some years this is what I understand now and found out, I'll make comments on each part: Remember it is Body/mind/spirit complex.
First comes the mind complex.

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II. THE PRE-REQUISITE FOR MENTAL WORK
RA: This is the most demanding part. (B1, 84)
RA: THE PREREQUISITE OF THE MENTAL WORK IS THE ABILITY TO RETAIN SILENCE OF SELF AT A STEADY STATE.
The mind must be opened like a door. The key is silence. (B1, 87)
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This is a basic requirement in all meditation. Being able to sustain awareness on a single object and not wander away all the time. There are many gradations in this but some stability is required to do this work, everybody can train this. There are basicly a few ways to practice this, visualisation or direct observation. For example observing the breath, the rising and falling of the abdomen and every time the mind wanders, gently bring it back to the breath.
The visualization practice is basicly the same as is described in the ra material. Focus on an image of inspirational quality or just a simple object and try to imagine is as vividly as possible.
After a while concentration increases and more stable steady observation is possible. This sustained awareness aspect is practiced in every meditation tradition.

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III. THE DISCIPLINES OF THE MIND

A. RA: The polarity of your dimension must be internalized. Where you find patience, find the corresponding impatience and vice versa.

Each thought has an opposite. Identify both those things which you approve and those which you disapprove within yourself and then balancing each and every positive and negative charge with its equal.

The mind contains all things. Therefore you must discover the completeness within yourself. (B1, 87)
B. 2ND: ACCEPT THE COMPLETENESS WITHIN YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS.

RA: Accept the completeness within your consciousness. It is not for a being of polarity in the physical consciousness to pick and choose among attributes, thus building the roles that cause blockages and confusions in the already distorted mind complex. Each acceptance smoothes part of the many distortions that the faculty you call judgment engenders.
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This is a pretty logical thing. The mind contains all things, positive and negative. If we want to heal ourself and balance ourself, we have to integrate it, we have to learn to accept all the emotions, all the positive and negative aspects as they are also part of the one infinite creator. What we do most of the time is feeling aversion for things we don't like and craving those things we like. Or we start to supress things etc. The point is the mind contains all these things and balance is achieved by realising both polarities are inside us. Now I had a lot of trouble with this part. How to actually do this. How do I go about balancing patience and impatience or fear and love. I struggled with this for some time and did it on some way but never had a very clear precise practice. But about a year ago I found something in zen buddhism that adresses this. The big mind/big hearth method from Genpo Roshi. Basicly what it does is that it lets you talk from different aspects of the self. So the proces goes like this, a facilitator asks for example "Can I speak to the skeptic" - that aspect which is skeptical of everything. The person has to reply speaking from the skeptic - "Yes, I am the skeptic"
Further questions are asked, what does the skeptic do for the self, how does it feels Etc. This allows one to totally go into a certain aspect! And accept it because for a moment you pretend to be this aspect. This can go for every emotion so that the totality of the mind is discovered, positive, negative. Blockages are noticed when somebody is unable to speak from a certain voice, this means the voice is disowned and needs some work.
So al the aspects can be used, the skeptic, the knower, the hurted child, ... and so on. The whole gamma of emotions is adressed. This is a technique which resembles closely the technique which Ra spoke about and here there is also guidance possible from experienced people. This was one of the stumbling blocks I felt when I tried to apply the healing techniques Ra gave on my own, am I doing it right, am I truly accepting it, is this what I was supposed to do...


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C. 3RD: SEE THE COMPLETENESS IN ALL OTHER ENTITIES

RA: This is like the 1st discipline but with the emphasis on your gaze outward toward the fellow entities that you meet (i.e., how you see your brother). In each entity there exists completeness. Thus the ability to understand each balance is necessary. When you view patience, you are responsible for mirroring in your mental understandings, patience/impatience, and vice versa.
D. THE 4TH MENTAL DISCIPLINE
RA: This one is the acceptance of the other-self polarities. (B1, 88)
E. THE 5TH MENTAL DISCIPLINE
RA: This involves observing the geographical and geometrical relationships and ratios of the mind, the other mind, the mass mind and the infinite mind. (B1, 88)

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Once you did the previous for yourself it is quite easy to do this for others to. To notice how they are and react and seeing that they also have the opposite emotions in them and all the aspects positive and negative. I think most people already do this from time to time. The 5th step is about how our mind relates to our society, the global mind, and what all these qualities have to do with the infinite mind, the creator. I'm not sure what is meant with the geometrical relationships, maybe that's something DW explored in his shift of ages with the geometrical shapes corresponding to dimensions/chakras etc.
One thing is for sure if you already do the internalising of all the opposites in yourself and others, this will have a positive effect on your life. It is also a long term proces because a lot of subtilities are involved of course.

Below is the discipline of the body:
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IV. THE DISCIPLINES OF THE BODY

A. BALANCE LOVE AND WISDOM

RA: In the streamings reaching your planet at this time, these understandings and disciplines have to do with the balance between love and wisdom in the use of the body in its natural functions. (B1, 84)
QUESTION: In the healing exercises concerning the body, what do you mean by the disciplines of the body in the balance between love and wisdom?
RA: There are natural bodily functions having to do wit the other-self, i.e., touching, loving, the sexual life, craving company to combat bodily loneliness. Find, in these functions, your love for yourself and also your love for the other.
Observe the love of self and the love of other self in contrast to wisdom regarding the use of natural functions. There are many fantasies and stray thoughts which may be examined in this balancing process. (B3, 74-75)

B. UNDERSTAND BOTH POLARITIES
RA: It is necessary to know your body well. How the emotions affect different parts of the body. Understand and accept the bodily polarity. The body is a creature of the mind’s creation. It has its biases. The biological bias must be first completely understood, and then allow the opposite bias to find full expression in understanding. The simplest example is that each biological male is female, and vice versa. (B1, 88)
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Basically what this says is that the body is very interconnected with the mind. And much can be learned from it.
For this, some years ago I stumbled upon a technique which is similar and already exists in Buddhist meditation. Vipassana meditation body scan. The idea in vipassana body scan is that every emotion creates a sensation on the body and instead of directly observing the emotion they turn to the sensations. For example when one feels anger, he can experience a feeling of heat inside the body.
With body scan you learn to scan the body for sensations. Sometimes there will be unpleasant sensations like pain in the knees and we react with aversion to that, other times we will experience pleasant sensations like tingeling or total vibration of the body which most of the time results in craving for more.
The key here is again to accept all these things, objectively observe them and let them come and go without being swayed by them! On this way it becomes clear that every emotion has a corresponding sensation on the body and the body is understood well.
This can also be applied to sexual aspects and so on.
Again it is similar to the ra technique, the only difference is that here the opposites are not consciously chosen but rather come up naturally.
If you are interested in a vipassana body scan retreat check out the 10 day retreats from Goenka in the therevada buddhist tradition, mail me for the website, I enjoyed that retreat, They have centers all around the world.
This was the body complex. Next is the spirit complex:

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THE THIRD AREA IS THE SPIRITUAL
A. CONTACT INTELLIGENT INFINITY
RA: In this area the first two disciplines are connected through the attainment of contact with intelligent infinity. (B1, 85)

B. INTEGRATE THE UPWARD YEARNING WITH THE DOWNPOURING OF DIVINE ENERGY
RA: Consider a magnet. It has two poles. One reaches up, the other down.
THE FUNCTION OF SPIRIT IS TO INTEGRATE THE UP-REACHING YEARNING OF THE MIND/BODY ENERGY WITH THE DOWN-POURING INSTREAMING OF INFINITE INTELLIGENCE. (B1, 85)
The spiritual complex embodies fields of force and consciousness which ate the least distorted of your mind/body/spirit complex. This is the longest and most subtle part of your learning
IT IS THE WORK OF WIND AND FIRE.
THE SPIRITUAL BODY ENERGY FIELD IS A PATHWAY OR CHANNEL.
When body and mind are receptive and open, then the spirit can become a functioning shuttle or communicator from the entity’s individual energy/will upwards, and from the streamings of the creative fire and wind downwards. (B1, 89)
C. REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE
RA: EACH ENTITY IS THE CREATOR.
The entity, as it becomes more and more conscious of itself gradually comes to the turning point at which it determines to seek either in service to others or in service to self. The seeker becomes the adept when it has balanced with minimal adequacy the appropriate energy centers,
red, orange, yellow, and blue, with the addition of green for the positive, thus moving into indigo work The adept then begins to do less of the preliminary or outer work having to do with function, and begins to effect the inner work which has to do with being.
AS THE ADEPT BECOMES A MORE AND MORE CONSCIOUSLY CRYSTALLIZED ENTITY IT GRADUALLY MANIFESTS MORE AND MORE OF THAT WHICH IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN SINCE BEFORE TIME; THAT IS, THE ONE INFINITE CREATOR. (B3, 192-193)
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This is what follows from the first 2 areas and is eventually the end result of all meditative traditions if it is followed to the end. It is the direct experience of spirit, of the one infinite creator.
The non duality which is available here in every moment. That which is.
Infinite peace, timelessness, the One!
This is something which is very subtle eventually because eventually this is about integrating non duality and duality. Talking about this is bound to end up in paradoxes. Bring the one fully in life where it already is.
Every good meditation path leads to this if it is followed fully.
Some are more direct than others like zen buddhism is very direct or dogchen from Tibetan Buddhism is very direct also. Personally I do zen buddhism, shikantaza meditation. Also the technique from genpo roshi adresses this very neatly. The non dual aspects of the mind are directly experienced as aspects, the dual aspects (all the emotions) also and how they become integrated in a fully conscious human being. I can't show enough appreciation how amazing it is that somebody already implemented the ra healing technique on a clever way, without even knowing what the ra material is.
This gives credit to what is being said in the ra material for sure.
The other contemplative traditions like gnosticism from Christianity or Sufism from the Islam or the different yoga practices from Hinduism also lead to this, but I'm more at home at Buddhism myself.

I think it is clear this is a process. And on some way they all become integrated after a while. If one starts for example with vipassana meditation and follows it to the end, it will integrate mind and spirit to. Because they are so interconnected.
After a while you start to deeply realise that you are a body/mind/spirit complex. A mind with all the emotions and thoughts, and a body which carries it and is neatly interconnected with it and an amazing expression of it, and the continuous spirit which is everpresent and our direct connection with god. Eventually after many years, from what I understand all that remains is the direct experience of spirit on all levels! Non duality and duality fully integrated, here and now!
Another important thing is that none can be neglected.
It is necesarry to not only live in the mind because this creates blockages and is very ungrounded, life is not up there it is alse here and now. The body is our immediate connection with the earth to.
So the healing technique really creates an integrated body/mind/spirit Complex.
The healing technique in my view really points to the essence of the ra material. It gives guidance how one can work on oneself and realise the infinite creator. Go beyond concepts, scripture and work on the self!
There the real work is done.

I hope I made it a little bit clearer.
If you have any further questions or ideas,
let me know.
Peace,
Filip

Goyo
08-23-2008, 05:55 AM
^^^ Thank you so much for this detailed explanation. This definitely helped fill in some of the tiny gaps I would come across while reading LoO. It's funny that I read this thread last night before going to sleep, and I had a dream where I was in some sort of exercise class with others. By the end of the session, my instructor in the dream asked me if I felt okay. I responded that my body was feeling a little sore. He explained that if I would have warmed up by stretching, then my body wouldn't have been so sore afterwards.

I think that dream directly corresponds to the Law of One material in how Ra says that catalysts are filtered from the mind to the body. If we fail to process these catalysts in the mind, the body will surely experience them. This is another sign of how the body is the creature of the mind.

I think the general message is: MEDITATE!

wintersun
08-23-2008, 10:29 AM
I think this one should be a sticky :) WELL DONE!! Great job!

soup
08-23-2008, 05:25 PM
The idea of healing that which "needs healing" may correspond to balancing that which "needs balancing", though how a person decides or desires just what their needs seem to be may be where free-will comes in, both in regard to self and other selves. I'd like to think that the practice of these recommended disciplines helps a person grow more compatible with others and so from that simple sense offers a healing influence in that fundamental way.


soup

soup
08-25-2008, 09:17 PM
...The idea of healing that which "needs healing" may correspond to balancing that which "needs balancing"...

Furthermore, such ideas may relate to "blocks that need unblocking", which may complement ideas of Traditional Chinese Medicine, (i.e. promoting Chi Flow as taught by Dr. Zhi Gang Sha, who also practices sound healing that likely relates to other methods mentioned elsewhere in LOO Book 3.)


soup

transiten
08-26-2008, 04:05 AM
Hello daresh

Very instructive, thanks a lot!

At the moment I'm reading "The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying" by Sogyal Rinpoche, foreword written by Dalai Lama. Meditation was "destroyed" to me for 20 years since i was brainwashed by a meditationteacher who turned out to be a psychopath. Now it seems like a healingprocess is bringing it into my life, guided by synchronicities.

Interesting point is that Sogyal practices openeye-meditation, a way of not turning reality/ordinairy life out of "meditation" and that "ordinairy life" is the final goal of meditation since they are the same. Meditation is a state of mind, not something that we "practice" when we "meditate", but should be brought into "ordinairy life" for peace and balance.

Yesterday i watched a swanfamily of 8 trim their feathers, play and sleep while reading the book...I wrote in my diary: I'm meditating on a "swanfamily"....next thing i read in is - Look at your thoughts and feelings with openness and compassion, because your thoughts and feelings are your family, the family of your consciousness!!

Thanks for Divinecosmos and this Forum

Liliane the transit

charles obscure
08-26-2008, 10:27 PM
For those who use the study guide can someone please tell me what
the numbers at the end of each quote mean exactly ie - (B1, 85) ? I would've assumed that the numbers were referencing book 1 page 85, but Im not finding these quotes corresponding to the pages in the book (at least reading them through adobe reader). The quotes posted by Daresh seem worded quite differently than in the actual Ra material books and Id be interested in reading and comparing the original quotes to that stuff!

3D Sunset
08-27-2008, 06:39 AM
Charles,

The page references in the study guide refer to the page numbers in the published versions of the Law of One, not the .pdf versions available on the L&L Research web site. The difference is due to a slightly different pagination scheme, wherein the published versions end one session and begin the next on the same page, whereas the .pdf version begins the next session on a new page.

Interestingly, I've noticed several other subtle difference between the two versions. Mostly, the .pdf version just corrects typos from the original, but one fascinating problem that I kept stumbling over in the published version, is that the printer apparently had a problem with one of their "m"s, such that it looks like "rn" (two letters, "r" followed by "n"). After noticing it several times, I attempted to record each such occurance in all 5 books. I compiled them later into a string of words which, in the order they occurred, read :

"some Chamber magical time many some misunderstood" ?!!?!

I can't guarantee that I found of the errors, but it sounds a little like a reference to the pyramids, perhaps. Then again, it may just be a random error.;) But I've always felt that everything that happens, happens for a reason.

Food for thought,

3D

charles obscure
08-27-2008, 06:21 PM
"some Chamber magical time many some misunderstood" ?!!?!

I can't guarantee that I found of the errors, but it sounds a little like a reference to the pyramids, perhaps. Then again, it may just be a random error.;) But I've always felt that everything that happens, happens for a reason.

Food for thought,

3D

W-0-w that is wierd, and quite fascinating..something to think about for sure.

soup
08-27-2008, 10:40 PM
The broken "m" curiously reminds me of the astrological symbols for Scorpio and Virgo which resemble "m" shapes with variations. For a long time I've considered these a hint of compatibility, as if a lock and key. Maybe if some Scorpio influence is mingled with a Virgo influence, a broken "m" is mended.


soup

daresh
08-28-2008, 12:46 PM
transiten said: Interesting point is that Sogyal practices openeye-meditation, a way of not turning reality/ordinairy life out of "meditation" and that "ordinairy life" is the final goal of meditation since they are the same. Meditation is a state of mind, not something that we "practice" when we "meditate", but should be brought into "ordinairy life" for peace and balance.

Yes this is indeed their idea, that it will shine through into your daily normal life, life becomes a constant meditation on this way. Through open eye meditation they also point that in the end there is no difference between the inner and the outer hence true non duality.
I'm really sorry to hear that you had a bad experience with a meditation group 20 years ago, good idea is to be carefull and check out the group that you are joining, do they belong to a recognised tradition are they part of a recognised branch, etc...
That's what I allways do.
Swans and other feathered animals kick ass. We have a pond somewhere in Brussels with a sign: "help us in the fight against boulemia". Aparently ducks don't know when to stop eating.
And your welcome.

charles said: The quotes posted by Daresh seem worded quite differently than in the actual Ra material books and Id be interested in reading and comparing the original quotes to that stuff!
I got the quotes from the study guide, they are a summary of the ra material, for the parts I checked they are copied literally from the books. Many times the quotes comes from pages far from eachother, the study guide is really a very usefull piece of work, combining the essence.


greets,
Filip

soup
08-29-2008, 12:06 AM
I wonder if sleep could be considered a type of meditation, or else if meditation could merge into sleep experiences somehow.


soup

daresh
09-01-2008, 01:31 AM
I wonder if sleep could be considered a type of meditation, or else if meditation could merge into sleep experiences somehow.


soup

It is. At more advanced stages of meditation there arises a deeper witnessing.
The Witness being present all the time. Long time meditators claim that they are aware when dreams come on and just witness them, when the dream goes away they are still aware and remain aware in deep dreamless sleep.
This is also what tibetan dream yoga is all about. It starts with lucid dreaming, then continues to getting glimpses of awareness during all the phases.
THere is even a saying, that which is real can not go away, only that which is present during all of the 3 cycles is real. So during waking, sleeping and dreamless sleep. This is pure consciousness. During dreams it is also easier to have those experiences and train with other levels of the psyche as the sensomotori stimuli are already excluded.

greets,
Filip

morawaj
09-01-2008, 08:32 PM
soup,

Interesting you ask this question. I only started meditation about 2 months ago. I also recently rediscovered an interest in lucid dreaming a few weeks ago. I had done the following a couple of times in the last few days. I had never had a lucid dream until this morning. I woke up very early this morning and repeated the same thoughts to myself 3 times before drifting off back to sleep:

1) The next thing I will experience is a dream.
2) I will recognize it as such and will become lucid.
3) In my dream I will meditate about love and light. My body will become a glowing ball of white light and I will send this energy out to everyone. I will feel a great sense of joy!

When I went to sleep last night and was thinking similar thoughts I heard a brief hum and pop in my left ear. Which I have associated from something I've read in the divine cosmos site (or the law of one), as possible negative entities. True or not it may have tainted my dream. In my dream a nasty storm was passing us by and myself and a few others headed out from the large building we were in to a residential area to seek better shelter. It was night and was kind of a dark seedy looking place. I was the last person heading up a flight of stairs and I reached my hand out to grab the rail when I decided to look at it and I noticed the lengths of the fingers were all wrong. I IMMEDIATELY knew I was dreaming and I got very excited and felt a tingling over my entire body. I knew I had to calm down so I would not awake. I continued up the stairs thinking 'what had I decided to do?'. Then I remembered 'MEDITATE!'. At the top of the stairs there was a bed where I sat down to meditate. But their were these nasty gray cats with funky eyes that kept attacking me. I was not able to meditate as they kept coming at me. I was not hurt that much and I really did not get a nightmarish feeling from the dream, but I seemed to loose my sense of lucidity (as I guess I could have just wished the cats away). So I was never able to performed what I wanted to in my lucid dream! Hopefully I'll have many more chances to give it a better try.

I had to have some plan of what to do when I became lucid and the idea of meditating about love and light seemed like the perfect thing to do.

If anyone has a lucid dream with these intentions in mind I'd LOVE to hear of your experience. PM me if you like.

Thanks a bunch,
John

soup
09-01-2008, 09:21 PM
So if sleep could be considered a type of meditation practice then meditation may also be considered a form of sleep.


soup

daresh
09-02-2008, 01:45 PM
I had to have some plan of what to do when I became lucid and the idea of meditating about love and light seemed like the perfect thing to do.

If anyone has a lucid dream with these intentions in mind I'd LOVE to hear of your experience. PM me if you like.

Thanks a bunch,
John

Hey John,

I have had many lucid dreams and it is possible to have different degrees of lucidity. Sometimes I was fully lucid other times I was only half aware, half dreaming. Once I had a nightmare where there was this scary dude running after me, I was runnig away from him when I suddenly realised that it was a dream. I thought well that scary dude is a part of me still living in fear so I decided to give it love, I thought about giving him a hug, so I turned around and wanted to give him a hug but now this guy got scared of me. :)
He started running away from me, so I ran after him till he was trapped and I gave him a hug and woke up with a wonderfull feeling.
Ah well, point is there are degrees of awareness and once you are fully aware you can really do anything you want. I had lucid dreams with many intentions, sometimes I decided to meditate but for some reason it never succeeded as planned or got distracted with the fun stuff like flying or little fantasies.
But there is also another type of lucid dreaming, pellucid dreaming as ken wilber calls it, this is like meditation as the Witness during dream time, where the dream just plays itself and you are a conscious observator not interfering with the dream but being the emptyness where the dream arises in.
I haven't experienced this myself yet. Also if you're interested in reading about meditation and dreaming, checkout dream yoga.

Soup said: So if sleep could be considered a type of meditation practice then meditation may also be considered a form of sleep.

I think sleep can become a meditative practice and meditation can become a sleep practice depends how you practice it. :) Don't confuse the 2 with eachother.

greets,
Filip

soup
09-03-2008, 12:18 AM
I think the word meditation carries some stigma with it that turns people off and that there is likely room for someone to offer guidance in going from being closed minded to more open minded, as if people in general are more open to talk about sleep and dream experiences than they are about meditation experiences...when at some level the two can meet sharing similarity.


soup

soup
09-03-2008, 09:05 PM
Possibly part of the sleep experience is used by the higher self to gauge the balance of the lower self. From this feedback then, the higher self may be better able to arrange catalyst which is used by the lower self during space/time to develop better balance. Here, as the dreamer grows more lucid there may be better opportunity to consciously influence the time/space feedback information which then may influence space/time catalyst.

soup

soup
09-11-2008, 05:36 AM
I saw a presentation on "dream yoga" last night. It briefly introduced three main facets: recognizing the dream, transformation within dream, and clear light dreaming. Initially in describing the idea of recognizing the dream there was a curious statement shared related to the act of going asleep: "as sleeping alone, lay down on the right side in the Lion's posture."

I immediately recognized the association of Ra to the Lion, the golden beings, the sound a Lion makes...Rahhh. I think the lion association has connection to the astrological sign of Leo (a certain fearlessness), that Ra may have appeared during the Age of Leo. Also, a daughter of Ra, Sekmet, is depicted as a Lion figure. The way of the Five Bodies related to Goddess Sekmet may correspond to the idea of Densities overlapping. The Reiki symbol SeiHeKi can seem like a Lion glyph which contains healing properties and similar sound.


soup