War in fourth density??

[wintersun]

I just came across an article here about wanderers and walk ins...

http://www.divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3619

Ra says that Abraham Lincoln was a walk in, and also mentions some sort of a war in fourth density!

In your time, 1853, this entity was
contacted in his sleep by a fourth-density being. This being was concerned
with the battles between the forces of light and the forces of darkness
which have been waged in fourth-density for many of your years.
This entity accepted the honor/duty of completing the one known as
Abraham's karmic patterns and the one known as Abraham discovered that this
entity would attempt those things which the one known as Abraham desired to
do but felt it could not.

Now whats that all about?

Thanks :)

Dino

[jeremy6d]

Now whats that all about?

Yeah, it's always bugged me, too. So apparently there was a major nexus of opportunity for change surrounding Lincoln, and he was able to farm out responsibility for it to a more advanced entity. This doesn't surprise me so much - if you look at Lincoln's life, he was mostly a ho-hum lawyer whose greatest success was working for the railroad interests in the country (the interests who laid the legal and political foundation for the corporatist economy of the 20th century).

It's troublesome to me because I simply cannot see a positive 4D entity leading a war to free others, let alone all the negative consequences for our country to this day. I suppose it's possible, and I guess it's my need to judge an event or person as "good/bad" that is giving me the problems (I have a very negative opinion of any politician who wages war on his own people, especially for such a trifling goal as saving the unity of a political abstraction). Plus, Lincoln's own words seem to indicate that he saw ending slavery as more of a moral excuse for the war than the chief end. I'm inclined to simply dismiss the entire anecdote because the question is a bit transient, and transient questions are more likely to get answers that are inaccurate or incomplete, according to Ra themselves.

[twva]

I don't have a problem with the anecdote. Ra says that "fourth density is the only density besides your own which, lacking the wisdom to refrain from battle, sees the necessity of the battle" and that "[t]he impulse to protect the loved other-self is one which persists through the fourth-density, a density abounding in compassion."

I think Lincoln saw himself embarked on a noble cause to protect "government of the people, by the people, for the people." Lacking wisdom, he may not have perceived the likely ramifications of his unbalanced action which, as Jeremy points out, we are still dealing with today.

Tobey

[Strider44]

if 4th density is supposed to be lucid-dream like and shapable by thought.. then how is battle/war/conflict of a physical nature even possible?? wont people just think away there enemies weapons??

[metaman]

According to David, there will be negative 4d and positive 4d.

Perhaps there will be those from the negative 4d that will try to force thier way into the positive. By devine plan there will be those in positive 4d that have already accumulated the cognative skills to keep the bad guys at bay before the transition. I think that war is probably not a good word to use. There more than likely not be any shots fired. Only light cosistently shrouding the darkness.

[vandance22]

wont people just think away there enemies weapons??

But then couldn't the "enemies" just think up weapons that would re-materialize every time it got taken away? I think that the logistics of things such as war in fourth density are distractions from our current soul lessons. But then again there are always exceptions and anomalies :p

[sergejsh]

I think that war is probably not a good word to use.

I also don't like this terminology, Because when we saying "war" we automatically remembering our wars and fights. But I personally can't imagine this way of resolving disagreements in 4th dimension. Is it not enough experience from our dimension to understand that this way resolves nothing? I don't believe entities of 4th dimension are less intelligent than we are.

[twva]

Ra's discussion of higher-density warfare is in Session 25. Basically, the negative side attacks, using light, and the positive defends, also using light.

Questioner: You spoke of an Orion Confederation and of a battle being fought between the Confederation and the Orion Confederation. Is it possible to convey any concept of how this battle is fought?

Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, your mind. Picture it then in total unity with all other minds of your society. You are then single-minded and that which is a weak electrical charge in your physical illusion is now an enormously powerful machine whereby thoughts may be projected as things.

In this endeavor the Orion group charges or attacks the Confederation armed with light. The result, a stand-off, as you would call it, both energies being somewhat depleted by this and needing to regroup; the negative depleted through failure to manipulate, the positive depleted through failure to accept that which is given.

Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you mean by the “failure to accept that which is given?”

Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded and engulfed, transformed by positive energies.

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

It has not been fruitful for either side. The only consequence which has been helpful is a balancing of the energies available to this planet so that these energies have less necessity to be balanced in this space/time, thus lessening the chances of planetary annihilation.

Questioner: Does a portion of the Confederation then engage in this thought-battle? What percent engages?

Ra: I am Ra. This is the most difficult work of the Confederation. Only four planetary entities at any one time are asked to partake in this conflict.

Questioner: What density are these four planetary entities?

Ra: I am Ra. These entities are of the density of love, numbering four.

Questioner: Would an entity of this density be more effective for this work than an entity of density five or six?

Ra: I am Ra. The fourth density is the only density besides your own which, lacking the wisdom to refrain from battle, sees the necessity of the battle. Thus it is necessary that fourth-density social memory complexes be used.

Questioner: Am I correct in assuming that both the Confederation and the Orion group utilize only their fourth densities in this battle, and that the fifth and sixth densities of the Orion group do not engage in this?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full question as this entity’s energies are low.

It is partially correct. Fifth- and sixth-density entities positive would not take part in this battle. Fifth-density negative would not take part in this battle. Thus, the fourth density of both orientations join in this conflict.

[sergejsh]

Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, your mind. Picture it then in total unity with all other minds of your society. You are then single-minded...

... the negative depleted through failure to manipulate, the positive depleted through failure to accept that which is given.

... this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war
It looks like two persons who have different points of view on how to resolve situations. Only in this case they are not persons but groups of civilizations.

So that is not a war as we have it on the Earth.

But there is basis for their way of thinking - in both groups. How their philosophies appeared and developed? WHat is history of that? And what are these philosophies? Is it possible to know their basic principles?

[twva]

But there is basis for their way of thinking - in both groups. How their philosophies appeared and developed? WHat is history of that? And what are these philosophies? Is it possible to know their basic principles?


I found some quotes that may begin to answer your questions.

From session 16, presumably about positive fourth density:
Questioner: ...Is it possible for you to give a short description of the conditions in the fourth density?

Ra: I am Ra. We ask you to consider as we speak that there are not words for positively describing fourth density. We can only explain what is not and approximate what is. Beyond fourth density our ability grows more limited until we become without words.

That which fourth density is not: it is not of words, unless chosen. It is not of heavy chemical vehicles for body complex activities. It is not of disharmony within self. It is not of disharmony within peoples. It is not within limits of possibility to cause disharmony in any way.

Approximations of positive statements: it is a plane of type of bipedal vehicle which is much denser and more full of life; it is a plane wherein one is aware of the thought of other-selves; it is a plane wherein one is aware of vibrations of other-selves; it is a plane of compassion and understanding of the sorrows of third density; it is a plane striving towards wisdom or light; it is a plane wherein individual differences are pronounced although automatically harmonized by group consensus.From session 38:
Questioner: Could you give me some idea of what conditions are like on a fourth-density negative or service to self planet?

Ra: I am Ra. The graduation into fourth-density negative is achieved by those beings who have consciously contacted intelligent infinity through the use of red, orange, and yellow rays of energy. Therefore, the planetary conditions of fourth-density negative include the constant alignment and realignment of entities in efforts to form dominant patterns of combined energy.

The early fourth-density is one of the most intensive struggle. When the order of authority has been established and all have fought until convinced that each is in the proper placement for power structure, the social memory complex begins. Always the fourth-density effect of telepathy and the transparency of thought are attempted to be used for the sake of those at the apex of the power structure.

This, as you may see, is often quite damaging to the further polarization of fourth-density negative entities, for the further negative polarization can come about only through group effort. As the fourth-density entities manage to combine, they then polarize through such services to self as those offered by the crusaders of Orion.From session 48:
Questioner: ...Can you tell me how positive and negative polarizations in fourth and fifth density are used to cause working in consciousness?

Ra: I am Ra. There is very little work in consciousness in fourth and in fifth densities compared to the work done in third density. The work that is accomplished in positive fourth is that work whereby the positive social memory complex, having, through slow stages, harmoniously integrated itself, goes forth to aid those of less positive orientation which seek their aid. Thus their service is their work and through this dynamic between the societal self and the other-self, which is the object of love, greater and greater intensities of understanding or compassion are attained. This intensity continues until the appropriate intensity of the light may be welcomed. This is fourth-density harvest.

Within fourth-density positive there are minor amounts of catalyst of a spiritual and mental complex distortion. This occurs during the process of harmonizing to the extent of forming the social memory complex. This causes some small catalyst and work to occur, but the great work of fourth density lies in the contact betwixt the societal self and less polarized other-self.

In fourth-density negative much work is accomplished during the fighting for position which precedes the period of the social memory complex. There are opportunities to polarize negatively by control of other-selves. During the social memory complex period of fourth-density negative the situation is the same. The work takes place through the societal reaching out to less polarized otherself in order to aid in negative polarization.

In fifth-density positive and negative the concept of work done through a potential difference is not particularly helpful as fifth-density entities are, again, intensifying rather than potentiating.

In positive, the fifth-density complex uses sixth-density teach/learners to study the more illuminated understandings of unity thus becoming more and more wise. Fifth-density positive social memory complexes will choose to divide their service to others in two ways: first, the beaming of light to creation; second, the sending of groups to be of aid as instruments of light such as those whom you are familiar with through channels.

In fifth-density negative, service to self has become extremely intense and the self has shrunk or compacted so that the dialogues with the teach/learners are used exclusively in order to intensify wisdom. There are very, very few fifth-density negative Wanderers for they fear the forgetting. There are very, very few fifth-density Orion members for they do not any longer perceive any virtue in other-selves.From session 78:
Questioner: Then you are saying that as a result of the polarization in consciousness which has occurred later in the galactic evolution, the experiences are much more intense along the two paths. Are these experiences each independent of the other? Must there be action across the potentiated difference between the positive and negative polarity, or is it possible to have this experience simply because of the single polarity? This is difficult to ask.

Ra: I am Ra. We would agree. We shall attempt to pluck the gist of your query from the surrounding verbiage.

The fourth and fifth densities are quite independent, the positive polarity functioning with no need of negative and visa-versa. It is to be noted that in attempting to sway third-density mind/body/spirit complexes in choosing polarity there evolves a good bit of interaction between the two polarities. In sixth density, the density of unity, the positive and negative paths must needs take in each other for all now must be seen as love/light and light/love. This is not difficult for the positive polarity which sends love and light to all other-selves. It is difficult enough for service-to-self polarized entities that at some point the negative polarity is abandoned.

[soup]

Possibly there is some heirarchy of principle at work, as if fighting for the "freewill" of others weighs heavier than not fighting and just passively watching others "enslaved".

The world history seems full of great people and as with anyone, that doesn't mean that all of the less than great people will honor them over time or the consequences of their actions. Jesus may be another example of that. It seems virtually impossible to make everyone happy.



soup

[sergejsh]

I still trying to understand how is it possible to have any type of conflicts in 4th dimension.

Here is quote:

Ra: That which fourth density is not: It is not of disharmony within self. It is not of disharmony within peoples. It is not within limits of possibility to cause disharmony in any way.

Is "War in fourth density" not disharmony?

[sergejsh]

Another point:

Quote:

"Ra: the negative depleted through failure to manipulate, the positive depleted through failure to accept that which is given".

It looks like in existence of these "conflicts" are quilty both sides?

I can't understand how in higher density (4th) is possible to want to enslave somebody, or attack somebody (even another Confederation), or when "always the fourth-density effect of telepathy and the transparency of thought are attempted to be used for the sake of those at the apex of the power structure".

If it is said, that fourth density is "... a plane of compassion and understanding, ... striving towards wisdom or light, ... wherein individual differences are pronounced although automatically harmonized by group consensus".

And at the same time, entities from same Confederations, which belongs to fifth- and sixth-density, "would not take part in this battle". So, some entities of Confederations have "battle", some not? Then members of Confederations are not united in their actions or point of view?

[twva]

According to Ra, after third density, the two paths diverge and entities incarnate on separate planets. There are positive fourth density planets and negative fourth density planets; positive fifth density planets and negative fifth density planets.

I think the quote about lack of disharmony must refer to positive fourth density planets.

As I understand it, early fourth density on both positive and negative planets involves building the social memory complex. On positive planets, this is a relatively straightforward matter of harmonizing already complementary entities. On negative planets, as Ra said, it involves lots of jockeying for position.

Once the social memory complexes are formed, the fourth density entities go forth to do their work, which involves sharing love as they understand it -- positive: love of others; negative: love of self.

In particular, I believe, both positive and negative fourth-density planets spend a lot of time trying to influence third-density planets in their choice. Ra says that the Orion crusaders "move in their chariots to conquer planetary mind/body/spirit social complexes before they reach the stage of achieving social memory." I believe positive fourth density sees this as a bad thing and attempts to stop it; hence the light battles.

Fifth and sixth density positive share the goals of positive fourth density. Similarly, negative fifth density shares the goals of negative fourth density. However, fifth density is the density of wisdom, and from that vantage point, apparently, war is seen as unnecessary. Hence it is fourth density which, lacking wisdom, does the fighting.

[MarkM]

I'm reminded of the game of chess, wherein through mutual understanding of the protagonists, a certain thrust and parry approach entails. On the part of fourth density positive, though, that player may contemplatively act to stymie opposing moves through even, balanced and well considered and perhaps even loving strategic and tactical consideration, whilst yet devoid of a hint of malice or ill will.

Here conflict may be seen to be free of warlike aspiration. Mark

[Enkidu]

Service to Self entities have the same ability to progress as Service to Others.

As 4D StO entites are trying to assist and guide the StS entities try to intercept and distort that work and turn it to a place of fear/misinformation so as to gain energy for their own means.

I don't believe it is war in the sense of weapons drawn and bodies vaporized... more in the sense of a struggle/encounter/energy exchange between 4D StS and StO

Continue Spiraling EVer Upwards,
Austin

[3D Sunset]

In particular, I believe, both positive and negative fourth-density planets spend a lot of time trying to influence third-density planets in their choice. Ra says that the Orion crusaders "move in their chariots to conquer planetary mind/body/spirit social complexes before they reach the stage of achieving social memory." I believe positive fourth density [positive] sees this as a bad thing and attempts to stop it; hence the light battles.

I agree, twva but I think that the issue and outcomes of the light battles are larger than merely a battle of equals wasting time in a war neither can win. In referring to the ongoing thought battles between Confederation and Orion 4D entities, Ra makes an interesting comment on the net effect of those battles on our own planet.

The only consequence which has been helpful is a balancing of the energies available to this planet so that these energies have less necessity to be balanced in this space/time, thus lessening the chances of planetary annihilation..

So what I see Ra saying is that the potential difference being built up between Confederation and Orion entities in their 3D "skirmishes" over us, needs to be released somewhere. The advantage of these 4D battles, is it gives that potential difference (energy) the opportunity to be "discharged" in time/space rather than in our 3D space/time. It could well be that this is a recognized and accepted aspect of the light battles (i.e., recognized by both sides), since planetary annihilation would be further neither cause.


3D

[sergejsh]

I think the quote about lack of disharmony must refer to positive fourth density planets.
Ra was explaining what forth density is and what it is not. There was no speciphic question about somebody who is positive or negative. Question was about fourth density:

Questioner: Is it possible for you to give a short description of the conditions in the fourth density?

Ra: ... We can only explain what is not and approximate what is.
...That which fourth density is not: It is not of disharmony within self. It is not of disharmony within peoples. It is not within limits of possibility to cause disharmony in any way.

Ra says that the Orion crusaders "move in their chariots to conquer planetary mind/body/spirit social complexes before they reach the stage of achieving social memory." I believe positive fourth density sees this as a bad thing and attempts to stop it; hence the light battles.

I am trying to understand why battle? If even we already understand, that such battles resolves nothing, then why entities, which evolved till 4th density, still can't understand that? Are they less experienced or less intelligent? :confused: I think you understand my point.

[twva]

Ra was explaining what forth density is and what it is not. There was no speciphic question about somebody who is positive or negative. Question was about fourth density:
True. It's too bad that we can no longer ask Ra questions to follow up on things like this.

I am trying to understand why battle? If even we already understand, that such battles resolves nothing, then why entities, which evolved till 4th density, still can't understand that? Are they less experienced or less intelligent? :confused: I think you understand my point.Fourth density negative sees a ripe plum, an unpolarized planet like ours. It goes forth to conquer. Fourth density positive attempts to stop them.

Fourth density negative battles because those meddling positive goody-goodies are interfering with their rightful conquest.

Fourth density positive battles because as they see it the choice is either to battle or to allow self and/or beloved otherselves to be enslaved.

The battle may resolve nothing, but it certainly has consequences in that it preserves the free will of those who are being protected.

[sergejsh]

Fourth density negative sees a ripe plum, an unpolarized planet like ours. It goes forth to conquer. Fourth density positive attempts to stop them.
Why and for what? As I understand those who are "negative" just have their own understanding of how help can be provided for unpolarized planet like ours. And they maybe are trying to do that. But another civilizations which are "positive", have different point of view on that. They are saying something like "no, it is not the way it should be done, because ......." etc. And probably "positives" somehow defends our planet from undesirable guests, because, first for all, whe are on their "territory" in Galaxy.

But I still don't see, how "negatives" can push their own agenda endlessly. They are developed civilizations and must have some kind of treaty with another Confederations about who, what and where permitted to do something in Galaxy.

What do you think?

[kt_HiddenLightworker]

if positive one loses to a thought-war, maybe the one bought into the thought/concept of the other one (negative-polarized) - the positive ones usually send love/light to negative ones hopefully to enlighten so that they become aware of the truth

[billybobbutterball]

if positive one loses to a thought-war, maybe the one bought into the thought/concept of the other one (negative-polarized) - the positive ones usually send love/light to negative ones hopefully to enlighten so that they become aware of the truth

For what it is worth....

From what I gather, often a simple confrontation between those of negative and positive polarity merely results in a "mexican standoff"; the positive offers love and acceptance in an act of a virtual sacrifice, which automatically repels the negative since such a response makes him upchuck and starts to disolve away his precious negative polarity; so the negatives' reaction is to get the heck out of there to save his skin! Both parties then declare victory; go their seperate ways, without either one accomplishing much of anything.:)

love etc. BBBB

[inside-up]

From what I understand, there are 3 different types of 3D planets. Positive, negative, and mixed (+ & -). We are a mixed planet so 4D+ and 4D- are allowed to interact with each other and on our behalf depending on the nature and intensity of the calling (to them by us).

This means that there will be a harvest of both +4D and -4D from this planet when the hour strikes. Most of this harvest will be of the + variety, but some will graduate as -. Thus, some degree of balance is struck between the two 4D polarities with their push and pull between each other and on us.

There are also other galaxies (outside of our own) that have been set up for no interaction between the densities.

[Earthcat]

The negative and positive polarizations go on through fifth density. Therefor there are highly advanced service to self beings manipulating where they can (think of a society of Cheneys on steroids), but their power is neutralized by love.

In higher densities they most probably war amongst themselves, for they would be quite aware of the power of love that eminates from the service to others beings and, I'm guessing here of course, the STS would just call the STO pansies and leave them alone.

[sergejsh]

I think this short video is related to the subject:

Are There Good or Bad Extraterrestrials?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJqg47nNEAo

What do you think?

[soup]

I've been pondering the idea of a universal struggle, between chaos and cosmos where the act of creation seems to generate order of some sort.


soup

[phreedom]

For the most part, I think people are getting the idea, slightly, but they also, for the most part, are accepting the language too literally.

First things first, let's set the meaning of "positive" and "negative" straight here...

One isn't necessarily good and the other bad as the connotations of the words often imply.

In everyday use, the word "Negative" simply has a negative connotation but that is NOT how it is meant to be interpreted in this case. Negative (STS) is a general term used to describe Positive's (STO) opposite. Someone mentioned chess earlier, we can think of it as Black and White... two opposites, and that is all. One is neither good nor bad, just a different direction on a bipolar plank.

Moving right along. This also isn't a "war" in which fighting is occurring. The entities aren't "fighting" eachother. They are simply in competition. THere is no physicality in their activity. They use "Light" better described as "knowledge" whether that knowledge be truthful or untruthful as a weapon. They can only use their powers of influence in a non-physical manner and thusly, the few, get the power, those who have succomb to the STS influences and the many, those who have chosen service to others, propagate their energy outward.

The STS'ers harvest and bank experiences while the STO's grow them and share them.

Anywho...

Where we are right now, THIRD density, is the vibrational frequency in which their influences are colliding. STS is smashing directly into STO and our lives are the manifestations of that energy crashing head on. As long as they BOTH continue their efforts, STSers soaking in (new term needed for conscious energy resource that they seek) and STOs disseminating (it), we experience the conflict.

However, when we choose one direction or the other, selfishness vs. selflessness, definitively, our path will be chosen, and we become one or the other STILL IN THIRD DENSITY.

We are where duality exists. When 4th density is achieved, you know the OPPOSITE side you have chosen exists and you seek to influence the cycle but you can no longer go back. You have chosen the path that is right for you.

[Magical_Mongoose]

Hmm...cool question. Hyperdimensional wars aren't covered much by Ra probably because the channel would grow overly disturbed by the information if disclosed, potentially ruining the frequency band of the entire channel. But other groups did receive info on this, but many of them ultimately became distorted because they couldn't appropriately view the conflict from a loving perspective.
One thing is not to grow obsessed with their workings...know how they operate, know how to protect, but don't let it consume every action or thought. That is a dead end road and entirely crafted by "them" (Orion group, etc) to lure graduate-ready students down a path of hatred, fear and destabilization.
Do what you came here to do, do what you can in peace and leave all else to the Creator/Universe/Infinity.
As for the meat of the info, there is interplay between 4D STO and 4D STS via 3D...there's a "war" in place because we haven't largely decided what polarity we embrace, creating a rift within the holographic fields on several layers. And from what I can see, even in 4D STO there is a degree of anger over what has occurred to the Earth, in terms of the freewill and true capabilities of humanity being hindered by completely self-interested and short-sighted individuals.
But there is something that STS hasn't or is incapable of comprehending: their existance depends upon their capability to love, to be at ease, to be at peace with themselves and with eachother, and to not fear. Without heart chakra activation, they are destined to never truly become themselves.
Peace out.

[dazcox]

Somehow we persist in thinking that once we become 4D we all become enlightened and life is like Star Trek The Next Generation, and it will be for some, no money needed, cooperation, a sense of purpose and challenges that build a sense of accomplishment, but those people are likely to be us, the people who already see a brighter future.

What about those 'normal' people out there, people who don't understand LoO etc or choose not to understand? Do you think they will suddenly 'get it'?

What if they consciously resist the chance to cooperate? find ways to manipulate their new powers if only to see what they can accomplish?

[3D Sunset]

Somehow we persist in thinking that once we become 4D we all become enlightened and life is like Star Trek The Next Generation, and it will be for some, no money needed, cooperation, a sense of purpose and challenges that build a sense of accomplishment, but those people are likely to be us, the people who already see a brighter future.

What about those 'normal' people out there, people who don't understand LoO etc or choose not to understand? Do you think they will suddenly 'get it'?

What if they consciously resist the chance to cooperate? find ways to manipulate their new powers if only to see what they can accomplish?

Hi dazcox,

I hear your concern, but I guess we have a simple disagreement about who will be in 4D positive to begin with. I believe that the people you describe, will not make the grade, and will be busying themselves trying to scrap out a meager existance of corn mush and fly dung on some other 3D planet after their incarnation here has passed. God help them!

Those that do make the grade are, by definition, at least 51% more concerned about everyone else than themselves. Since Love begets Love, I see this tendency only increasing quickly once 4D Positive is entered. Is it possible for people to backslide after they've made the transition? I suppose that it is, but I would really be surprised if someone that has full knowledge of their past lives and all their past actions, both good and bad, and the repercussions that followed them, would ever choose to act as you describe again.

Just my thoughts,

3D Sunset

[soup]

So if 4D existence could contain more time/space experience than space/time, then I wonder if nightmares could be a manifestation of war in 4D. Sometimes i think that nightmares are a byproduct of toxins in the diet - as if a sign to detox.

War dreams? I remember having a dream where I was a soldier being chased, we were on the run - but it was futile because we were all mowed down by a machine gun. After a while of laying imovilized from so many bullets I simply got up and picked up a bazooka which obliterated whatever it was that was after us. It was fairly anticlimactic, I remember feeling as if it was a pointless dream.


soup

[dazcox]

War dreams? I remember having a dream where I was a soldier being chased, we were on the run - but it was futile because we were all mowed down by a machine gun. After a while of laying immobilized from so many bullets I simply got up and picked up a bazooka which obliterated whatever it was that was after us. It was fairly anticlimactic, I remember feeling as if it was a pointless dream.


soupI have had many war dreams but they are like action/adventure wish fulfillment rather than some statement on how pointless and 'wrong' war is.

If we have free will and we are immortal souls then how is war 'wrong' in the broadest sense? individual actions are what matter, and war just might be the most logical way for people to 'work off karma' by sacrificing their perceived selves to save others.

If you had a beloved wife and kids back home but threw yourself upon a grenade to prevent your buddies from all dying, surely that counts more than if you were merely suicidal to begin with.

Without war, where people are forced to participate and find that inner strength out of necessity then how would people push the limits of their humanity and free will to the extremes?

[soup]

This reminds me of the set theory idea, where heaven and hell coexist - how war seems heaven to a soldier but hell to everybody else...as if by way of contrast we can better decide what to choose in hope that good circumstance may have better chance of displacing less than good circumstance.

Do we have a choice of what or how we dream? If so, war in 4D may be simply just another one of many matters of choice.


soup