Karen Bisson
02-21-2002, 08:55 AM
{{{Jeremy}}}
I was SO looking forward to your response! B.t.w. thanks for the advice
about the html on this e-mail address. I did have it registered as html
and have now corrected it.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
I can honestly say that this conversation has given me
cause to do a more intense study of Ra than I have in
some time. Thanks for being my catalyst. ;-)
</blockquote>
You're MOST welcome and a heartfelt thank you to you for being mine!
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
ALTHOUGH, I will confess that, if I'm not arguing
about something, I don't find much reason to post.
</blockquote>
LOL! You're not the only one. Were it not for catalysts, there simply
wouldn't be much to discuss. From this perspective we can get a pretty
clear picture of the "purpose" for catalysts and things being the way they
are.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
*BTW, if it as at all possible, I urge you with every
ounce of compulsion I can muster ;-) to attend the
Louisville seminar and see Carla and Jim speak, as
this promises to be a most insightful presentation on
the backbone of all of David's and our work.*
</blockquote>
Oh I would love to go and see it but it's unlikely I will be able
to. Louisville is a fair distance from where I live. Gonna hafta work on
my teleportation skills!!
Thanks for the lead... I will add the www.llresearch.org site to my
"must read regularly" list.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
I am totally humbled by these words. Don't anybody
think that just because some people express themselves
better than others that your thoughts are any less
worthy than anybody else's. I have so very much still
to learn that it brings tears to my eyes to consider
the possiblity that I could have stifled the sincere
seeker.
</blockquote>
Catalysts for learning. Wow, amazing stuff. You know, I find it
fascinating and humbling that some of our biggest and most humbling lessons
so often come from the most seemingly simple things. Things we might have
otherwise overlooked. Life does keep us on our toes! Ego is such a tricky
thing isn't it? We all have it. It serves a purpose. But man, it can sure
bite you in the arse when you're not paying attention and no one is really
immune to it here on this plane. I've done some long meditations on the
subject of ego over the years and have come to some interesting conclusions.
Conclusions that constantly evolve each and every day and lessons that
have taught me the vitally important lesson of never placing one's ego
above love of all. That's a tough one I tell ya.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
I also realized the importance of the message you are
giving me, Karen. There is unity in the personal path
and the collective path if you're willing to abandon
whatever dogma you've consoled yourself with and
accept your situation as it is.
</blockquote>
Wow... that was really well said and I wholeheartedly agree!
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">Let me try and be perfectly clear about what I was
against. Many people think the most noble change to
the world that they can render is to affect some
outward, political change. I don't think that that
should be the goal of the seeker who intends to help
the world. However, I am in agreement that, if
seekers send a high enough quality of undifferentiated
love to the planet, such changes can be affected. The
key is to not be fixed on any one outcome but rather
to send the love energy and let the best outcome
manifest itself.</blockquote>
This is somewhat of a gray area, although essentially I agree with what
you are saying in that the LOVE need manifest the best outcome. The most
important thing is that the "goal" or the "intent" of the seeker be not
for personal glory but for the love of ALL. When I say that it is
a gray area, I mean that each one of us are driven by catalysts for learning
and that these catalysts come in all sizes. Some are so big they encompass
a huge portion of each lifetime. In other words, some individuals are destined
for work in the political arena and others are destined for work in other
areas. That some seek to enter the political arena in order to affect change
is due to the fact it is an area in which most change on a larger scale
seems possible to them and therefor it ALSO reflects the fact that these
individuals NEED that catalyst for learning. This, in a sense, reflects
the tapestry of our existence here. It's such a huge subject that it is
difficult to go into here in any great detail. The bottom line though is
that here is where we can get a sense of the overall positive or negative
balance that currently prevails.
There is also a point in case here with respect to the issue of "control".
You see, in one breath you are saying that you enjoy the challenge of rising
to the occasion to show your stuff. (we both do of course) In other words,
you admit to enjoying the "control" you have earned by following your heart
center and rising to the level where you are. But in the next breath it
appears that you are saying that the outcome is, or rather should be, determined
by an external factor which you defined as "undifferentiated love". In
other words, you are suggesting a relinquishing of "control" over the outcome
and suggest you are separate from it. This is a very tricky subject, worthy
of great discussion and is indeed an enormous catalyst for learning for
every one of us here in this lifetime. I will have to pick up on this at
a later time as my time is running short here this morning.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
Right. Although I don't think that there's such a
thing as unneccessary catalyst. Sometimes you have to
break things down to build up again, but I don't
regret this destruction because *it is the stuff of
life*. I mean, that's life, y'know? Struggle,
balance, integration... it's not only neccessary, it
is what we're here for. Would the catalyst occur if
it were unneccessary?
</blockquote>
Absolutely. I guess what I keep hoping for is an evolution beyond
the point of having to rip it ALL to shreds. One that is less destructive
and more constructive. I'm thinking of past civilizations on this planet
in this respect and how much time and effort it has taken to rebuild them.
<sigh>
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
I'm still not sure what you mean by "controlling
catalysts." If you mean using them or being catalysed
by them, then that makes sense to me. Is there
another connotation I'm not picking up on?
</blockquote>
No, that's pretty much exactly what I meant. "Control" has both
negative and positive connotations, as do all things. I was attempting
to refer to the more positive aspects of it.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
I do agree - as long as one is not committed to any
one outcome but is simply sending love out to make the
world a better place. But to say, we need to put this
type of political or economic order in place is to
control, which is a negative impulse.
</blockquote>
Okay... here's where my previous explanation might help although
we may end up disagreeing on this point. I have a simple personal theory
about every single thing in this plane of existence. And that is that NOTHING,
absolutely NOTHING is inherently negative or positive. EVERYTHING is a
GIFT. It's how we use it... it is OUR FREE WILL which determines whether
it is positive or negative. That includes money, medicine, politics, you
name it. And when we're finished using it, it still essentially remains
neither positive or negative. What does remain, however, is the memories
of the experience which are either positive or negative. When we forget
that it was our free will, and not the gift, which created the catalyst
towards negative or positive then we have set aside and lost a very important
gift regardless of what it was. I honestly believe, with my whole heart,
that when we fully take responsibility for these GIFTS in this way, SO
MUCH of life will become clearer to us. You see... the Creator is neither
positive or negative... this is the message which is constantly being relayed
to us. I believe the SPARK that is FREE WILL is another one of those PIVOTAL
points we talked about yesterday. Think about what it is we're here to
learn and I'm sure my theory will begin to make sense to you. I welcome
everyone's thoughts on this.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
I think you're right, as long as we decide what
"changing the external world" means.
</blockquote>
Now THAT is something that must be decided by the individual for
THAT is the very reason and basis upon which we were given FREE WILL.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
I think I understand what you're saying now. You're
saying that you can affect a change on the external
world by your own inner work. That that has a subtle
affect on other people by its very nature.
</blockquote>
BINGO! This is a constant. Has been happening since the beginning
and will keep on happening to the very end... be there such a beginning
and ending.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
The catalyst for 4D is the end of the cycle, IMHO. We
have a choice to be catalysed by these events and take
part in 4D or not and stay in 3D.
</blockquote>
I believe that any cycle ends when the manifestation of its purpose
is complete. Therefore there really isn't any "time" limit on it other
than the one it eventually creates for itself by having completed itself.
A flower, for example, has a purpose... it has a "time frame" in which
it takes to grow and then die. That time frame is different from say a
human from birth to death. Both had to complete their own cycle before
the "time frame" could be determined.
I think essentially we both have the same idea about ascension and the
cycle. But I hesitate to mention here that everyone seems to be waiting
for some miraculous specific event which will be the catalyst for these
changes. If we ASK for that catalyst, it WILL occur. Many people think
that when "it" happens then POOF, suddenly things are going to warp out
and become really different. I personally believe it is already happening.
I think, as with any change, until we are ready for it, we won't be able
to accept it and the "time frame" will be different for each person therefore
some will remain in 3D as you put it, and some will advance to 4D. I wrote
a piece on my web site about alternate dimensions and the concepts of belief
vs disbelief which might help to explain a bit more about my theories on
this. It is on the same page I posted yesterday containing the article
about the gardener. Bear in mind though (she says blushing) that many of
the concepts on that sight are outdated in terms of my own personal development
over the years and I simply haven't had the time to properly update it.
Still, those concepts are the basis upon which my current beliefs have
grown.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
A little from column A, a little from column B. I
think the fact that we are in 3D consciousness makes
us think of every situation in a time based context.
Since we have a very hard time imagining growth
without time as we know it, I can understand the
impulse to project this time idea on our spiritual
evolution and to identify a "speedier" ascension as
preferrable to a lengthier ascension. And also, while
I try to take the reigns of my progress to the fullest
extent possible, I am resigned to the fact that, if I
am not ready, I shouldn't beat myself up for not
ascending.
</blockquote>
BINGO! I'm no authority, but from my perspective you're doing just
great!
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
But I don't work on the self to ascend. I work on
myself because *that is the stuff of life*. That IS
life. Ascension is the result of an evolution that
conforms to harmonic principles, but the engine is
life / progress.
</blockquote>
Very healthily put!
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
(Continuing with this analogy of the building,) If my conception of
the final structure of the building is advanced enough
to know what materials are preferrable to what others,
I would naturally avoid the materials that cause
suffering. But if, in my ignorance, I build with the
wrong materials and later at a more enlightened state
discover that the building must be destroyed, I will
not begrudge the neccessary destruction and
rebuilding. This goes back to the idea that we cannot
act in accordance with principles we cannot
understand, but the point of life is to highten our
understanding so that eventually we can understand
them. Not only that, but the "bad" materials
faciliate that education. They are "good" in that
they show us what is conducive and what is
counterproductive to soul evolution.
</blockquote>
Yes I agree fully. My whining about this subject is mostly an expression
of my desire to understand what the right materials are. But it is also
an expression of my concern for what we haphazardly toss away without realizing
its potential value. I truly and WHOLEHEARTEDLY believe that EVERYTHING
is a GIFT and needs be treated as such. We, as in humanity, hasn't done
a very good job of that so far.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
Because we don't know any better. If we blow it up
enough times, though, eventually we'll learn the
lesson. And that lesson is so valuable that it's
worth a few virtual demolitions.
</blockquote>
<sigh> I know you're right but my love for the gifts we've been
given makes this painful to accept or want to tolerate to any great extreme.
I wonder if that's how the Creator feels about it too. I assume (and sincerely
pray) that the Creator has a whole lot more patience about it than I do!
Hmm.. worthy contemplation. Sometimes I think I'm a little different from
most folks in that regard. I perceive the Creator as being my dearest friend
and confidant and I treat He/She as such. I think too many people hold
the Creator aloft in fear and thus hold back their own personal development.
That is, of course, just my personal opinion. I think most people have
forgotten "ask and ye shall receive." Still, the Creator keeps on giving
them what they ask for. If that is a negative experience then a negative
experience they shall receive. If one really, and I mean REALLY meditates
on this, I believe they'll see that everything, including the coffee in
your hand, including the day you're having, including this very conversation
we're having, is something that you have asked for on some level for whatever
reason. EVERYTHING is a gift and needs be treated as such. That realization
changed my entire world.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
Like I said above, being attached to a specific
outcome does not allow for free will to be exercised.
Otherwise, I agree with you.
</blockquote>
On the contrary... I believe that being attached to a specific outcome
is actually the manifestation of one's free will. It is the combination
of "free wills" that make up the fabric of our existence here. If one chooses
to extract one's self from any specific outcome then that too is the manifestation
of the individual's free will. If one believes in an outcome manifested
by love then THAT is the outcome one will achieve. To extract oneself from
ALL outcome... well now there's a concept that's pretty big. From my level
of understanding, that would be like casting oneself out upon the currents
of what is... and if everyone were to do that... what would be left? Would
the currents cease altogether? The thing is, if you believe that you are
a manifestation of the Creator's desire and WILL to experience Itself,
then why would you want to do that? Awareness of this journey, the ability
to manifest free, will which I believe is actually an inseparable part
of the Creator's will, is a GIFT.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
>> Who said it wasn't hard work? Me?<she looks="looks" around="">> the room with a quizzical look> LOL!
Not to bust balls, but... <<etc etc>> It IS hard... just doesn't seem hard once you're
there.
</blockquote>
ROFL! That is the way of it isn't it?
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
>> What makes you think that since the Creator in
>> unity exists outside time he doesn't need to be
>> patient?
Patient implies waiting. Waiting implies the passage
of time. But if the Creator exists outside of time,
is there any need for patience? That's what I meant.
</blockquote>
But, as I said, the Creator exists EVERYWHERE including outside
AND inside of time... therefore patience is a GIFT. Time as we conceive
it, does not exist... but in a way it does for we need it to understand
the nature of how events unfold and therefor understand the nature of ourselves.
Therefore... could the same not be said for the greater Entity Itself?
I'm no expert on time but I perceive it as something that is a simple tool.
Something that is much more highly flexible than we, the average human,
can conceive at our current level of understanding.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
It is my humble and personal belief that true patience
signifies an undestanding and the nature of how events
unfold that is multidimensional and outside of time.
In this sense the Creator is patient. Of course, it's
easy to be patient when you're outside of time.
</blockquote>
And who has the only true and complete understanding of why and
how the nature of events unfold? The Creator of course. And why is the
Creator playing this multidimensional game of "hide and seek"? To understand
Itself in this very way.
Once again, this has been a most enjoyable experience and I look forward
to hearing from you again.
TONS of love & light
Karen
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
</blockquote>
I was SO looking forward to your response! B.t.w. thanks for the advice
about the html on this e-mail address. I did have it registered as html
and have now corrected it.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
I can honestly say that this conversation has given me
cause to do a more intense study of Ra than I have in
some time. Thanks for being my catalyst. ;-)
</blockquote>
You're MOST welcome and a heartfelt thank you to you for being mine!
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
ALTHOUGH, I will confess that, if I'm not arguing
about something, I don't find much reason to post.
</blockquote>
LOL! You're not the only one. Were it not for catalysts, there simply
wouldn't be much to discuss. From this perspective we can get a pretty
clear picture of the "purpose" for catalysts and things being the way they
are.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
*BTW, if it as at all possible, I urge you with every
ounce of compulsion I can muster ;-) to attend the
Louisville seminar and see Carla and Jim speak, as
this promises to be a most insightful presentation on
the backbone of all of David's and our work.*
</blockquote>
Oh I would love to go and see it but it's unlikely I will be able
to. Louisville is a fair distance from where I live. Gonna hafta work on
my teleportation skills!!
Thanks for the lead... I will add the www.llresearch.org site to my
"must read regularly" list.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
I am totally humbled by these words. Don't anybody
think that just because some people express themselves
better than others that your thoughts are any less
worthy than anybody else's. I have so very much still
to learn that it brings tears to my eyes to consider
the possiblity that I could have stifled the sincere
seeker.
</blockquote>
Catalysts for learning. Wow, amazing stuff. You know, I find it
fascinating and humbling that some of our biggest and most humbling lessons
so often come from the most seemingly simple things. Things we might have
otherwise overlooked. Life does keep us on our toes! Ego is such a tricky
thing isn't it? We all have it. It serves a purpose. But man, it can sure
bite you in the arse when you're not paying attention and no one is really
immune to it here on this plane. I've done some long meditations on the
subject of ego over the years and have come to some interesting conclusions.
Conclusions that constantly evolve each and every day and lessons that
have taught me the vitally important lesson of never placing one's ego
above love of all. That's a tough one I tell ya.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
I also realized the importance of the message you are
giving me, Karen. There is unity in the personal path
and the collective path if you're willing to abandon
whatever dogma you've consoled yourself with and
accept your situation as it is.
</blockquote>
Wow... that was really well said and I wholeheartedly agree!
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">Let me try and be perfectly clear about what I was
against. Many people think the most noble change to
the world that they can render is to affect some
outward, political change. I don't think that that
should be the goal of the seeker who intends to help
the world. However, I am in agreement that, if
seekers send a high enough quality of undifferentiated
love to the planet, such changes can be affected. The
key is to not be fixed on any one outcome but rather
to send the love energy and let the best outcome
manifest itself.</blockquote>
This is somewhat of a gray area, although essentially I agree with what
you are saying in that the LOVE need manifest the best outcome. The most
important thing is that the "goal" or the "intent" of the seeker be not
for personal glory but for the love of ALL. When I say that it is
a gray area, I mean that each one of us are driven by catalysts for learning
and that these catalysts come in all sizes. Some are so big they encompass
a huge portion of each lifetime. In other words, some individuals are destined
for work in the political arena and others are destined for work in other
areas. That some seek to enter the political arena in order to affect change
is due to the fact it is an area in which most change on a larger scale
seems possible to them and therefor it ALSO reflects the fact that these
individuals NEED that catalyst for learning. This, in a sense, reflects
the tapestry of our existence here. It's such a huge subject that it is
difficult to go into here in any great detail. The bottom line though is
that here is where we can get a sense of the overall positive or negative
balance that currently prevails.
There is also a point in case here with respect to the issue of "control".
You see, in one breath you are saying that you enjoy the challenge of rising
to the occasion to show your stuff. (we both do of course) In other words,
you admit to enjoying the "control" you have earned by following your heart
center and rising to the level where you are. But in the next breath it
appears that you are saying that the outcome is, or rather should be, determined
by an external factor which you defined as "undifferentiated love". In
other words, you are suggesting a relinquishing of "control" over the outcome
and suggest you are separate from it. This is a very tricky subject, worthy
of great discussion and is indeed an enormous catalyst for learning for
every one of us here in this lifetime. I will have to pick up on this at
a later time as my time is running short here this morning.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
Right. Although I don't think that there's such a
thing as unneccessary catalyst. Sometimes you have to
break things down to build up again, but I don't
regret this destruction because *it is the stuff of
life*. I mean, that's life, y'know? Struggle,
balance, integration... it's not only neccessary, it
is what we're here for. Would the catalyst occur if
it were unneccessary?
</blockquote>
Absolutely. I guess what I keep hoping for is an evolution beyond
the point of having to rip it ALL to shreds. One that is less destructive
and more constructive. I'm thinking of past civilizations on this planet
in this respect and how much time and effort it has taken to rebuild them.
<sigh>
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
I'm still not sure what you mean by "controlling
catalysts." If you mean using them or being catalysed
by them, then that makes sense to me. Is there
another connotation I'm not picking up on?
</blockquote>
No, that's pretty much exactly what I meant. "Control" has both
negative and positive connotations, as do all things. I was attempting
to refer to the more positive aspects of it.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
I do agree - as long as one is not committed to any
one outcome but is simply sending love out to make the
world a better place. But to say, we need to put this
type of political or economic order in place is to
control, which is a negative impulse.
</blockquote>
Okay... here's where my previous explanation might help although
we may end up disagreeing on this point. I have a simple personal theory
about every single thing in this plane of existence. And that is that NOTHING,
absolutely NOTHING is inherently negative or positive. EVERYTHING is a
GIFT. It's how we use it... it is OUR FREE WILL which determines whether
it is positive or negative. That includes money, medicine, politics, you
name it. And when we're finished using it, it still essentially remains
neither positive or negative. What does remain, however, is the memories
of the experience which are either positive or negative. When we forget
that it was our free will, and not the gift, which created the catalyst
towards negative or positive then we have set aside and lost a very important
gift regardless of what it was. I honestly believe, with my whole heart,
that when we fully take responsibility for these GIFTS in this way, SO
MUCH of life will become clearer to us. You see... the Creator is neither
positive or negative... this is the message which is constantly being relayed
to us. I believe the SPARK that is FREE WILL is another one of those PIVOTAL
points we talked about yesterday. Think about what it is we're here to
learn and I'm sure my theory will begin to make sense to you. I welcome
everyone's thoughts on this.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
I think you're right, as long as we decide what
"changing the external world" means.
</blockquote>
Now THAT is something that must be decided by the individual for
THAT is the very reason and basis upon which we were given FREE WILL.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
I think I understand what you're saying now. You're
saying that you can affect a change on the external
world by your own inner work. That that has a subtle
affect on other people by its very nature.
</blockquote>
BINGO! This is a constant. Has been happening since the beginning
and will keep on happening to the very end... be there such a beginning
and ending.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
The catalyst for 4D is the end of the cycle, IMHO. We
have a choice to be catalysed by these events and take
part in 4D or not and stay in 3D.
</blockquote>
I believe that any cycle ends when the manifestation of its purpose
is complete. Therefore there really isn't any "time" limit on it other
than the one it eventually creates for itself by having completed itself.
A flower, for example, has a purpose... it has a "time frame" in which
it takes to grow and then die. That time frame is different from say a
human from birth to death. Both had to complete their own cycle before
the "time frame" could be determined.
I think essentially we both have the same idea about ascension and the
cycle. But I hesitate to mention here that everyone seems to be waiting
for some miraculous specific event which will be the catalyst for these
changes. If we ASK for that catalyst, it WILL occur. Many people think
that when "it" happens then POOF, suddenly things are going to warp out
and become really different. I personally believe it is already happening.
I think, as with any change, until we are ready for it, we won't be able
to accept it and the "time frame" will be different for each person therefore
some will remain in 3D as you put it, and some will advance to 4D. I wrote
a piece on my web site about alternate dimensions and the concepts of belief
vs disbelief which might help to explain a bit more about my theories on
this. It is on the same page I posted yesterday containing the article
about the gardener. Bear in mind though (she says blushing) that many of
the concepts on that sight are outdated in terms of my own personal development
over the years and I simply haven't had the time to properly update it.
Still, those concepts are the basis upon which my current beliefs have
grown.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
A little from column A, a little from column B. I
think the fact that we are in 3D consciousness makes
us think of every situation in a time based context.
Since we have a very hard time imagining growth
without time as we know it, I can understand the
impulse to project this time idea on our spiritual
evolution and to identify a "speedier" ascension as
preferrable to a lengthier ascension. And also, while
I try to take the reigns of my progress to the fullest
extent possible, I am resigned to the fact that, if I
am not ready, I shouldn't beat myself up for not
ascending.
</blockquote>
BINGO! I'm no authority, but from my perspective you're doing just
great!
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
But I don't work on the self to ascend. I work on
myself because *that is the stuff of life*. That IS
life. Ascension is the result of an evolution that
conforms to harmonic principles, but the engine is
life / progress.
</blockquote>
Very healthily put!
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
(Continuing with this analogy of the building,) If my conception of
the final structure of the building is advanced enough
to know what materials are preferrable to what others,
I would naturally avoid the materials that cause
suffering. But if, in my ignorance, I build with the
wrong materials and later at a more enlightened state
discover that the building must be destroyed, I will
not begrudge the neccessary destruction and
rebuilding. This goes back to the idea that we cannot
act in accordance with principles we cannot
understand, but the point of life is to highten our
understanding so that eventually we can understand
them. Not only that, but the "bad" materials
faciliate that education. They are "good" in that
they show us what is conducive and what is
counterproductive to soul evolution.
</blockquote>
Yes I agree fully. My whining about this subject is mostly an expression
of my desire to understand what the right materials are. But it is also
an expression of my concern for what we haphazardly toss away without realizing
its potential value. I truly and WHOLEHEARTEDLY believe that EVERYTHING
is a GIFT and needs be treated as such. We, as in humanity, hasn't done
a very good job of that so far.
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">
Because we don't know any better. If we blow it up
enough times, though, eventually we'll learn the
lesson. And that lesson is so valuable that it's
worth a few virtual demolitions.
</blockquote>
<sigh> I know you're right but my love for the gifts we've been
given makes this painful to accept or want to tolerate to any great extreme.
I wonder if that's how the Creator feels about it too. I assume (and sincerely
pray) that the Creator has a whole lot more patience about it than I do!
Hmm.. worthy contemplation. Sometimes I think I'm a little different from
most folks in that regard. I perceive the Creator as being my dearest friend
and confidant and I treat He/She as such. I think too many people hold
the Creator aloft in fear and thus hold back their own personal development.
That is, of course, just my personal opinion. I think most people have
forgotten "ask and ye shall receive." Still, the Creator keeps on giving
them what they ask for. If that is a negative experience then a negative
experience they shall receive. If one really, and I mean REALLY meditates
on this, I believe they'll see that everything, including the coffee in
your hand, including the day you're having, including this very conversation
we're having, is something that you have asked for on some level for whatever
reason. EVERYTHING is a gift and needs be treated as such. That realization
changed my entire world.
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Like I said above, being attached to a specific
outcome does not allow for free will to be exercised.
Otherwise, I agree with you.
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On the contrary... I believe that being attached to a specific outcome
is actually the manifestation of one's free will. It is the combination
of "free wills" that make up the fabric of our existence here. If one chooses
to extract one's self from any specific outcome then that too is the manifestation
of the individual's free will. If one believes in an outcome manifested
by love then THAT is the outcome one will achieve. To extract oneself from
ALL outcome... well now there's a concept that's pretty big. From my level
of understanding, that would be like casting oneself out upon the currents
of what is... and if everyone were to do that... what would be left? Would
the currents cease altogether? The thing is, if you believe that you are
a manifestation of the Creator's desire and WILL to experience Itself,
then why would you want to do that? Awareness of this journey, the ability
to manifest free, will which I believe is actually an inseparable part
of the Creator's will, is a GIFT.
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>> Who said it wasn't hard work? Me?<she looks="looks" around="">> the room with a quizzical look> LOL!
Not to bust balls, but... <<etc etc>> It IS hard... just doesn't seem hard once you're
there.
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ROFL! That is the way of it isn't it?
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>> What makes you think that since the Creator in
>> unity exists outside time he doesn't need to be
>> patient?
Patient implies waiting. Waiting implies the passage
of time. But if the Creator exists outside of time,
is there any need for patience? That's what I meant.
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But, as I said, the Creator exists EVERYWHERE including outside
AND inside of time... therefore patience is a GIFT. Time as we conceive
it, does not exist... but in a way it does for we need it to understand
the nature of how events unfold and therefor understand the nature of ourselves.
Therefore... could the same not be said for the greater Entity Itself?
I'm no expert on time but I perceive it as something that is a simple tool.
Something that is much more highly flexible than we, the average human,
can conceive at our current level of understanding.
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It is my humble and personal belief that true patience
signifies an undestanding and the nature of how events
unfold that is multidimensional and outside of time.
In this sense the Creator is patient. Of course, it's
easy to be patient when you're outside of time.
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And who has the only true and complete understanding of why and
how the nature of events unfold? The Creator of course. And why is the
Creator playing this multidimensional game of "hide and seek"? To understand
Itself in this very way.
Once again, this has been a most enjoyable experience and I look forward
to hearing from you again.
TONS of love & light
Karen
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