David Wilcock's explanation of the Higher Self [Archive]

Moralman

07-30-2008, 05:58 AM

dear friends
kind regards
i have a question about the higher self.
here is what david wilcock says about the higher self.

another teaching of ra is that all people have higher selves, a sixth-density future incarnative self that is guiding their life and guiding their physical incarnation from the
future. the higher self basically says, ''look, i know that you're going to evolve to become me. i'm looking back into my past at myself, but i also know that you have free will. i don't necessarily know all the choices that you will make on a day-by-day basis to eventually get to be me, where i am now. so i'm going to help you get to this point. i'm going to show you how to get to where i am, knowing that it's myself that's evolving.''

my question to you all is simply this.
1. why is the higher self looking back at its personality in the past?
i have always assumed that the higher self is another name for our soul within.
if the higher self is looking back at itself, can we assume that the higher self has lived as all personalities already?
or is the higher self simply the highest expression of ourself that never left the spiritual realm with full knowledge of the past, present and future?
if someone (or a group of people) could get back to me a.s.a.p i'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
john

Silvanus Sanctus Germanus

07-30-2008, 12:55 PM

hi john and welcome, the way i see it our higher self is in a state of mind that we will reach eventualy in which we realise that time is an illusion and that discovery leads us to nudge ourselves here and there in hopes to tweek our etheral bodies to crystalize more and more. we have probably revisited our personalities over and over again each time with a slightly different approach.................................sylvain.. ...........................

conundrum

07-30-2008, 09:27 PM

because there is some thing in its past that is stopping it from moving forward or stopping it from functioning properly in its present holding it back so to speak.

so the higher self travels back in time to the point in its past that is causing it issues in an attempt to change the perspective or bias that has been formed in the self at that particular point of time.

an enlightened being lives in the present not in its pains and fears of its past which have a tendency to cripple it like a computer virus that linger after the 'cause' of any physical damage pain or fear the body has experience has long gone .

mikron

07-31-2008, 02:06 AM

greetings this mikron and just to share some meta physical insights

the higher self is accessed only from the perspective of going on the path work to know and be one with the soul! there is an exact science called ageless wisdom and the path work is well known in in this wisdom! its called building the antakarana or another name for it that might jog your ancient ascension memory is called "rainbow bridge"

the deeper expression of this ancient ageless wisdom is that once a light worker develops there own antakarana first opening the higher self and then to be one with the soul the antakarana stays active throughout all incarnations!

peace mikron

Moralman

07-31-2008, 04:46 PM

dear friends
kind regards
thank you for the replies.
the various replies have a different spin on things and i appreciate the insight.
what i don't understand is how the higher self (already evolved in the future) wants its incarnation to become it?
here is an extract from the ra material.

question: then the higher self operates from the future as we understand things, and it would know, as far as i am concerned, what was going to happen. is this correct? (b2, 64)

ra: this is incorrect, as it would he a violation of free will. the higher self is aware of the lessons learned through 6th density. the choices which must be made to achieve the higher self, as it is now, must be made by the mind/spirit/body complex itself.

thus the higher self is like a map on which the destination is known and the roads are shown, and the traveler has already reached the destination in some universe, maybe this one. the higher self at the destination looks back on the way that has been traveled and assists the traveler in arriving at the goal in an easier way.

the higher self is in the future yet doesn't know what paths that we take in the past?
if anyone has anymore insight it would be appreciated.
yours thankfully
john

systematick

08-02-2008, 08:24 AM

hi john,

i think it may not be entirely accurate to say that the higher self is in the future, rather it is totally outside of our 3rd density understanding of time as a linear phenomenon. the higher self being a 6th density entity would therefore have no past or future as we are aware of these terms. this is what enables it to set up the synchronistic happenings in our life that can trigger advances in our spiritual awareness.

we have free will in this 3rd density existence to choose whether or not to recognize, acknowledge, and act upon the catalysts that the higher self provides for us. the fact that we have this ability to choose allows us to maintain our free will - and this would explain why the higher self would know the map but not which roads we choose to travel upon.

that's they way it appears to me. thank you for asking such a thought-provoking question!

mike

Jetamus

08-04-2008, 08:04 AM

if it were to be guiding us from the percieved future, would that mean its also currently guiding 'us' from our lifetime 150,000 years ago ?

don

08-04-2008, 06:10 PM

imo, it seems that living in the confines of a linear time-line and the 'individuality' or apparent separateness makes for these tough questions and even tougher answers. a free will universe can only be described as an infinite realm of probabilities for any level of perception into past, present, or futures. as already mentioned, and in my own words, the higher self sees multiple road maps leading to where it is now in our terms. these maps are all made of experiences. perhaps the higher/future self not only wants to point out a better road to travel for itself, but leave 'signposts' for other travelers as mentioned in the seth material. and the choice is ours if we want to find a more fruitful path of travel.

if i...as i know myself now, was in a position of ultimate awareness, not only would i want to assist in my past selves to avoid unessessary mistakes, i would be more than happy to assist all who seek the truth back in third density. lol...honestly, when i ask for help in a tough situation from higher beings/self, i figure someday i will return the favor.

Metamike

08-06-2008, 06:03 AM

i think the statement about the higher self looking back is a paradox that is only solved by being closer to the closure of the law of one. in our world, there is separation so we can think, rightly so as a distortion, that we are talking about us and our higher self as two different entities. at another level, that is not really true - which is all about the law of one.
:)

dazcox

08-06-2008, 04:36 PM

mikron

08-06-2008, 11:55 PM

greetings moralman the very reason why the ra material speaks about higher self is in the future, is because there is great work that must be done before one can access such a situation! and they over simplify the words!

take for instance you can look for further information on a subject called "the spiritual initiations" and in relation to the soul, what you would find is that the path work involves clearing the physical,emotional, and mental bodies so that one creates virtue in this world , to keep things simple here ...virtue is just where by a light worker becomes more of there true self, as it relates to healing self and also being of service to all others, that makes healing and wisdom spiral like kundalini life force moving higher in a light worker! ..making wiser choices in there own life and helping all others in there life as well!

when a light worker can clear those three levels mentioned above the reach something called a soul merge, and at that point .... the aspects of ascension clearing physical.emotional and mental energies relates only to virtue and all means a light worker can now access future past and present in relation to virtue only

and to even comment to why you say the future higher self cant see what choices we have when we come here in this incarnation, free will must always be honored in spiritual path .. this way what ever we learn it is well deserved created by great spirit!

in telling you all this you can begin to see that even the ra material is like a holographic computer and they leave out big parts of spiritual evolution and i am sharing some of this here so you can understand more of the situation and you can see and sense as wiser choices in the healing and wisdom parts of sharing!

peace mikron

dear friends
kind regards
thank you for the replies.
the various replies have a different spin on things and i appreciate the insight.
what i don't understand is how the higher self (already evolved in the future) wants its incarnation to become it?
here is an extract from the ra material.

the higher self is in the future yet doesn't know what paths that we take in the past?
if anyone has anymore insight it would be appreciated.
yours thankfully
john

Moralman

08-15-2008, 05:30 PM

dear friends
kind regards
according to david wilcock, we move into 4th density and become our higher self.
here is an article called cosmic download
1. http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=331&itemid=70

here is an extract from that article.

what happens to those who ascend to 4d positive, you might ask, as they go through the process — according to the law of one philosophy?
those who ascend will first meet with a thoughtform entity — taking the form of whatever is calculated as being the most inspiring to that person.

you move into your indigo-ray body, what the egyptians call the "ka". this is the higher self.
you are then brought before your violet-ray body — a level even higher than the higher self, called the "guardians" in the law of one series. this is the last level you get to before you rejoin with the oneness at the 'octave' point, or eighth dimension.

at the end of a typical life you review that life and plan out the next.

at the end of an entire cycle, like this, you review all of your lifetimes — and come up with an overall level of evolution that you attained during all your lifetimes.

right now, today, you have the power to change how all your lifetimes will 'weigh' in this process — simply by engaging yourself in your spiritual process and striving for the highest levels you can.

the above statement is that we meet an entity of significence and then step into our indigo ray body (higher self form).
can we then assume that our indigo ray body (higher self form) is awaiting us as a future form that we could perceive to be in the future?
for example, some metaphysicists say that the higher self is simply our souls.
the idea is that we (mortal humans/personalities) are at odds with our souls (higher selves) and that the ascension is about our soul overcoming the mortal limitations of the 3d body?
for example, the soul is struggling to overcome the 3d body, hence it will ascend when it does so?
would it be unfair to state that we are the higher self now and we just have to realize it?
maybe the thoughtform entity that we see at the ascension point is a reflection of ourselves, a bit like the higher self looking in the mirror.
perhaps the higher self is spiritually in the future, but it makes its incarnations more aware with each incarnation.
2012 is the moment when we realize who we are, our higher self.
do you think that i am correct in making the above statements?
if you could get back to me a.s.a.p i'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
john

dazcox

09-11-2008, 10:36 AM

i think i understand this and can offer a reasonable explanation.

think of the probabilities of all the things you could possibly do with your free will starting today.
most likely you will stay pretty much the same, maybe you'll change jobs, get married etc but how different will you actually be when you are on your death bed if you turned left instead of right on your way to the store tomorrow?

the highest probability is that you'll live out your life pretty much like you are now and there are smaller and smaller probabilities going down to choices like you suddenly decide to turn to a life of crime and kill someone or something horrible, but the odds of that are tiny (hopefully!).

what your higher self is, is an amalgamation of all the possibilities. what might be helpful is to imagine what the parameters could possibly be. if everything went right for you and you lived your life to the fullest and if everything went wrong and you were forced to make impossible choices.

perhaps the higher self is trying to expand those parameters...

to expand on what i was trying to say.

your higher self might be the sum total of all the possible things you do.
it might be looking back on you to see if it can subtly influence you to take a different path.

consider that each decision you make creates a branch in your time line, and while you and i might seem to 'fail' at just about everything we try that is beyond the mundane (being a famous writer, actor etc, breaking a sports record, discovering a scientific principle, winning the lottery etc etc) if there are infinite possibilities you, in one of your time lines, actually do 'win'.

the absolute overriding factor that trumps all else is that you have to decide to try, no matter how improbable the odds of success.

time might appear 'fixed' to us but each moment is a chance for you to decide something and each decision creates another time line, maybe 'fame' and the lottery are less important than choosing to play your guitar instead of watching tv or choosing to forgive someone instead of taking revenge etc but your higher self might be looking in on you to help you create more choices.

Moralman

09-11-2008, 04:54 PM

dear dazcox
kind regards
in response to your comments.

to expand on what i was trying to say.

your higher self might be the sum total of all the possible things you do.
it might be looking back on you to see if it can subtly influence you to take a different path.

consider that each decision you make creates a branch in your time line, and while you and i might seem to 'fail' at just about everything we try that is beyond the mundane (being a famous writer, actor etc, breaking a sports record, discovering a scientific principle, winning the lottery etc etc) if there are infinite possibilities you, in one of your time lines, actually do 'win'.

the absolute overriding factor that trumps all else is that you have to decide to try, no matter how improbable the odds of success.

time might appear 'fixed' to us but each moment is a chance for you to decide something and each decision creates another time line, maybe 'fame' and the lottery are less important than choosing to play your guitar instead of watching tv or choosing to forgive someone instead of taking revenge etc but your higher self might be looking in on you to help you create more choices.

i feel that you are wrong.
once a time line has been completed, it is much like a script that is finished.
a time line, as far as i am aware, can only be changed slightly and with good reason.
as far as endlessly and mindlessly changing a time line to suit yourself, that cannot happen.
if that were the case, every higher self would do it.
you can only change the time line within the parameters of what circumstances that you were in during the original time line.
yours thankfully
john

dazcox

09-11-2008, 05:50 PM

hi moral, i'm not so sure that any timeline can be changed as much as that new ones have the possibility of simultaneously existing.

there are infinite simultaneous possible timelines but only when you make a decision to go down a particular timeline does it actually come into existence.

for example, if you never had the courage to pick up a trombone and attempt to play it just to see if you could make a single note there's no way you'd ever be a great trombone player.

even if you bought a trombone and took lessons and made a thousand choices to practice or blow off practicing your trombone, there would always exist a chance that you'd be great, even if only one solitary timeline out of millions in which you chose to play trombone did you actually get really good at it, then it was worth the effort and your higher self can add 'expert trombone player' to it's list of accomplishments, as surely it is the will of the creator for you to use your free will to create and appreciate?

i think you can live your life as blandly or humbly as you choose and still learn the essential lessons, but what adds glory to the situation is the amount of potential you create. if we are the dream of a much more advanced state then our dreams while in this state have validity, perhaps they are the voice of our higher self telling to take that chance, to follow that dream...

peacewithinonelove

02-03-2009, 11:00 PM

i believe there are really two beings to all of us, both a conscious being, and a subconscious being. our conscious selves are what our minds lead us to believe is flesh and bones, the being we interact with on a daily basis in this reality. our subconscious selves are guiding us in the right directions in life, kind of like a guardian angel of mind, constantly there watching over us, making sure we are on the right path. there's only so much we can do to help this subconscious us out. the mentality we hold in our everyday lives having most to do with this, thinking about beauty and divine mind making us stronger as conscious beings both mentally and physically, we attract this being in thinking these thoughts of love, life, beauty, happiness, appreciation and divinity. when we think about where we are going next, or what's coming up in the near future, or what's to come next in our lives. subconsciously we are already there manifesting our destiny.

christincook

02-04-2009, 04:41 AM

dear friends
kind regards
i have a question about the higher self.
here is what david wilcock says about the higher self.

my question to you all is simply this.
1. why is the higher self looking back at its personality in the past?
i have always assumed that the higher self is another name for our soul within.
if the higher self is looking back at itself, can we assume that the higher self has lived as all personalities already?
or is the higher self simply the highest expression of ourself that never left the spiritual realm with full knowledge of the past, present and future?
if someone (or a group of people) could get back to me a.s.a.p i'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
john

as someone else here stated, i also feel that time in the terms of past, present, and future, are null and void terms from the perspective of a sixth density existence. perhaps, we will understand this more once we have made the shifit to 4d. imo, the higher self is not looking back at itself in it's past, but just seeing another manifestation of itself which exists in the all-ness of it's own present. i think you had it with your last question... not so much that it's never left the spirit realm, but that it has full knowledge of the past, present, and future, because it experiences all of these as one.

i believe that we can assume that in a way, the higher self has already lived all lifetimes, or at least has energetic access to the "blueprints". that is not to say that as far as future lives are concerned, we do not have free-will, and that the courses of those lifes cannot be altered; b/c i believe that they can. the future is not concrete, even if there is a general blueprint laid for it.

maybe instead of seeing the higher self as the soul within, see it as the part of the soul that pervades all... the oversoul, indeed, the "higher" self. viewing the dimensions as nested orbs, the oversoul or higher self would oversee all, and would be the fully-evolved version of yourself. in other materials from dw, he talks about how the whole game is actually already over, so i think that this would fit-in with the higher self's perspective, and how the loo states that it's all about finding a shorter, more efficient route to the destination.

transiten

02-04-2009, 08:32 AM

i use to think that if we can see the future with whatever means, we can change it....right?

transiten

noppy

12-08-2009, 11:56 AM

wow !! just wow!!

i was searchin for a anwser if i was listening to my higher self or some ego-mind created thing in myself. we always have discusions and some how always is right about things and speaks out off love and joy

but gosh !! i don't know what to say. now i know for sure i hear my higher self constanly talking to me .

evolving

12-12-2009, 08:01 PM

please forgive my oversimplification of the following, for it is more complicated than we are actually able to understand behind the veil. one could write a library on this, and still not get it all right :)

in actuality, there are seven "selves", one corresponding to each of the densities, and each "density body" having a color of the chakras. each has a "body", but not as we perceive it as so in this density.

each higher density has the ability to "wander" back to the 3rd density, and may do so to either help increase success of a harvest, or in order to relearn lessons, in variation, or with increased intensity.

what we perceive as the "higher self" is that of 6th density which has gained the love (4th) and wisdom (5th) and is now understanding and combining the two for balance, but the final exam to graduate to the 7th density is coming and some experience is missing. the sixth density self looks back and guides it's former self through lessons it wishes to learn and relearn. it is kind of like helping yourself learn what you missed when you were too busy fooling around and having fun, or took the day off, or made a bad decision, etc etc. your higher self can't tell you what to do, so it sets up the parameters to help you learn.

in each incarnate life, therefore, one moves according to the plan which the higher self and self have agreed upon. because of the veil, we simply don't know what we planned for ourselves, and sometimes we even surprise our higher selves. this is why experiences are repeated in a cyclical manner until we learn them well.

to quote ra...

ra: free will does not mean that there will be no circumstances when calculations will be awry. this is so in all aspects of the life experience. although there are no mistakes, there are surprises.

StarPlanetchild

12-13-2009, 10:16 AM

there is lot of knowledge about the higher self, and ive read a lot. but how can i break the barriere, to contact my higher self. it only seems that meditating is the way to achieve that goal. :rolleyes:

12thUranus

09-07-2010, 06:54 AM

this is the most relevant thread i could find to post my questions.

a member has recently caused me to contemplate the complexity of the higher self.

if our higher self is our individual mind/body/spirit complex totality and it is also of sixth density, do we all share the same higher self?

even though my higher self is the totality of me, do we separate this me from the full collective that is 6d, of which all is one?

how many 6th density higher selfs are operating on this world today? or, are we all of the same 6d?

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?search_string=higher+self&search_type=phrase&ss=1

37.6 in this way you may see your self, your higher self or oversoul, and your mind/body/spirit complex totality as three points in a circle. the only distinction is that of your time/space continuum. all are the same being.

this says there is me, there is my 6d me, and there is the 6d whole. they are the same. i am 6d. you are 6d. but are we the same 6d?

love and blessings,

j

12thUranus

09-22-2010, 02:05 PM

this is the most relevant thread i could find to post my questions.

a member has recently caused me to contemplate the complexity of the higher self.

if our higher self is our individual mind/body/spirit complex totality and it is also of sixth density, do we all share the same higher self?

even though my higher self is the totality of me, do we separate this me from the full collective that is 6d, of which all is one?

how many 6th density higher selfs are operating on this world today? or, are we all of the same 6d?

this says there is me, there is my 6d me, and there is the 6d whole. they are the same. i am 6d. you are 6d. but are we the same 6d?

love and blessings,

j

well, i see nobody wants to discuss this :(. perhaps this question may spur a little more reaction. what if an entire 4d collective decided to all at once, as a whole, each of its entities, re-enter 3rd density??

MarkM

09-22-2010, 06:20 PM

wow!

due to the electrical incompatibility issue as cited by ra, this may wreak short circuiting havoc aplenty amongst 3d. i don't know, but this may constitute a breach of the law of confusion at any rate, and thus not be a potential happening.

as for the sixth density line of questioning, (an intriguing line, tbs) it's interesting that the ra group, in spite of coming to begin to encompass oneness on a universal scale, can yet distinguish their individual lineage back to the venusians. this suggests that similar sixth density smcs may be extant and hailing from other third density planets.

yet to what extent the distinction between the venusian smc (ra group) and all other 6d groups is an artificial distinction proffered by ra in order to provide us with a clear line of view conceptually from our vantage thru to 6d promises to be a fruitful avenue of philosophical discussion!

we like to think in terms of present time, thinking of the ra as 'currently' being 6d as it was a 6d communication. outside of time as we know it, even planets which haven't even begun to form from our imagined standpoint have populations which have 'already' travelled the gamut of densities through to the turning of the octave at some unimaginable 8d, yet simultaneously exist at every point along the journey! sheesh, sometimes it seems warm and comfortable here under the veil! ;)

(there seems a somewhat insurmountable philosophical problem of context arising when trying to converse while alternating between modalities of coming from the here and now illusion, and coming from trying to discuss/conceptualize that which lies outside of time and space as we know it.)

***

now we have other human groups from other star systems purportedly here on earth, such as the denebians (orientals?) who may have dragged their own 6d smc here for the duration, but it would seem to me that 6d creatures may be living in the grand scope of experiencing oneness on a scale way beyond individuated star systems and any sense of distinguishability of various 6d groups. they are of one - likely to an extent of being able to experience some great extent of the wholeness of creation beyond human imagination.

what really spoke to us as ra? what was stepped down so as to be able to express itself to us as an individual intellect, and to what extent did the ra have to dumb down so as to be able to communicate, narrowing down into such a fine focus of human oriented intent?? seems to me that the veil renders this line of questioning to have a built in redundancy - after all, according to the ra that what's necessary for ascendability is to realize that all here begins and ends in confusion... :confused: that doesn't mean that i don't relish the dialog, and the internal muse as regards the mystery.

for me, i have gathered some very real and literally applicable nuggets from the loo which are directly applicable to my spiritual/real life, and much of the material may be reflecting some of the all too human transience of the questioner, don elkins. the material as a whole seems a vast resource from which useful kernals may be gleaned. what doesn't necessarily grab me may do wonders for the next dude or dudess. mark

MarkM

09-22-2010, 06:56 PM

once when i watched my mother knit a sweater i mused on the lengthy process of attending to every stitch, and put on the sweater which now persisted as a finished product.

maybe it's like the ra can see not only the finished product as a whole but are able to see the process as an atemporal 'thing', some more vantaged and developed way of seeing the history of the universe very much as a whole portrait comprised by all time at once. having much of the whole fixes the history of all into one glorious landscape, within which (paradoxically) tertiary changeability of paths taken can take place; yet while from our vantage all temporal halls of structure can go fluid and changing in the sense of what 'may' happen, at least. mark

12thUranus

09-22-2010, 07:40 PM

i bet you get all the ladies,, mark ;) wink

i am seriously taken aback at the idea that your higher self is my higher self as well. at least, it could be. if it is 6d, and 6d is a unified being of entities, we all seek guidance from the same higher self. at least a majority seeks from the same.

i'm sure we all have our own conceptions of what our higher self really is, much in the same way we have our own conceptions of creator.
mine is one of future self, of completion realized. a self that directs me along the path i set out to walk. me and me, hand in hand. it only dawned on me recently that 6th density is a wholeness, which essentially means my higher self is in unison with a whole bunch of others' higher selfs. "we are one" comes on much stronger now. how could we be separate, being guided by the same source?

Tenet Nosce

09-22-2010, 09:28 PM

well, i see nobody wants to discuss this :(. perhaps this question may spur a little more reaction. what if an entire 4d collective decided to all at once, as a whole, each of its entities, re-enter 3rd density??

ehhh i just don't think i have a good answer. from what i understand, the higher self is a 6th density construct, which represents the last action taken by a being before it moves into unity consciousness. the higher self is the culmination of all the wisdom acquired by a being through all of its various incarnations, so kind of like an oversoul. i don't think that "your" higher self and "my" higher self are one and the same, unless you and i happen to be something of the nature of twin flames.

social memory complexes may form as early as 4d, and so it would seem that one can have both an individual and a collective consciousness, although i don't believe it was ever made clear to what degree an individual may act independently from a social memory complex of which it it is a part.

[you know, sometimes i really wish that the ra contact group would have pressed further on these types of inquiries. first they got distracted by the whole negative greeting thing, and then towards the end most of the inquiries were about the archetypes which were already well represented by the major arcana of the tarot and didn't really offer anything novel]

so to respond directly:

if our higher self is our individual mind/body/spirit complex totality and it is also of sixth density, do we all share the same higher self?

no, i don't believe so as you and i will have arrived at 6d by different paths.

even though my higher self is the totality of me, do we separate this me from the full collective that is 6d, of which all is one?

i think the full experience of "all is one" is a 7d phenomenon.

how many 6th density higher selfs are operating on this world today? or, are we all of the same 6d?

who knows? i think that there are definitely less 6d higher selves than there are people alive on the planet due to the fact that in rare cases, two or more individuals may share the same higher self, and in many more cases, the higher self has not yet eventuated... for whatever that means. :rolleyes:

at any rate, i find that i lose coherency when trying to push my mind much into 6d so i'm not sure how helpful i can be here. interesting to ponder though!

12thUranus

09-23-2010, 05:31 AM

i understood it the same way you explain it tenet.

i started thinking about the fullness of 6d and realized that my higher self is a collective, and thus, being in a collective, has the entire conscious at its ready. therefore i find it very likely that you and i and anybody have our higher selfs united in 6d, and that makes our higher selves one and the same. so, when i access my higher self for guidance, i ask our higher self, and i am helped in my current manifestation to act for progression of my self in a way that is for all of our selfs :eek:
this realization caused me to see another level of oneness i hadn't before. yes we are one, yadda yadda, but now we are one.

when i ask "how many 6d collectives are operating?", i don't mean how many entity parts of a 6d nature are operating. what i mean is how many 6d collectives (like hovering galaxies in space) have their 3d early entity-parts here now. say, one million of us have our higher selfs in one single 6d future collective, and another 625,000 of us have our higher selfs in a different 6d future collective. so on and so on, how many different higher self collectives are operating on this earth today? (the answer isn't necessary, it is the question that i find intriguing).

i think the full experience of "all is one" is a 7d phenomenon.
i'm taken aback with this comment. all is one is now. you are unity. you are infinity. right?

Tenet Nosce

09-23-2010, 10:04 AM

when i ask "how many 6d collectives are operating?", i don't mean how many entity parts of a 6d nature are operating. what i mean is how many 6d collectives (like hovering galaxies in space) have their 3d early entity-parts here now.

gotcha. hmm not sure but i think it is quite a lot. there seems to be an unusual amount of interest in what is going on here/now. i think earth is kind of like a galactic melting pot. i get the distinct impression that it is not "normal" by galactic standards.

which gets at one of those fundamental misconceptions that people have. we are taught in school that we are probably an "average" planet revolving around an "average" sun in an "average" galaxy. taking into account probabilities alone, the chances are overwhelming that we are not average in any sense of the word.

i'm taken aback with this comment. all is one is now. you are unity. you are infinity. right?

well, yes of course. :) i just don't experience myself that way on any sort of regular basis. what i mean to say is that i think that the experience of full-time unity consciousness is a 7d thing. again, we are bumping up against the mother of all paradoxes here so i doubt anything i can say will really make sense.

billybobbutterball

09-23-2010, 06:27 PM

dolores canon...the noted age regressionist of literally thousands-- was struck by the fact when it finally dawned on her that the higher contact of each individual she talked with seemed to be the same entity...

my shortest post ever:d

billious taciturnis

MarkM

09-23-2010, 09:03 PM

ooh, that feels nice, billybobber!

i was wondering about our own unique planet load of disparate groups, undergoing such a challenging 3d experience having to not only deal with the crucible of 3d but also dealing with the fact that this is a grouping of separate planetary lifewaves - cultures grouped here which at least on the surface of things are somewhat alien one to the other, given that the ra state that several planetloads of 'recalcitrants' are grouped here. i've seen much of the melting pot effect harmoniously taking place here in this beautiful city of toronto, which has over a hundred cultural groups merging in love and acting as an example for the world at large...

so what of the future 6d smc which arises from earth? ra arose from venus, where is the earth 'ra' thingie? i wonder if any of you has had that thought. maybe someone in cameroon is channeling our own 6d smc ala carla, and we just haven't caught wind yet? :rolleyes: mark

MarkM

09-25-2010, 07:01 PM

:rolleyes:ra's response to the calling of humans may hint at a function of the wanderer's presence among other things. wanderers may not be in the main earth native, and those of the 'western' genome pattern may not be those who have arisen on this planet.

the fact that the ra distinguish their venusian heritage may speak to our western culture being to some extent fulfilled by those who originate with venus or other similar planets - 3d human-wise as regards western, light skinned culture. i wonder about how 6th may be channeled by other races of earth. perhaps other cultures on earth are enjoying other aspects of 6d offerings, and if the african race is most likely the native earth-human genome, maybe the wanderer/sixth phenom there is more reflecting of the aspects/souls of sixth which represent the earth thingie...

regardless of human race, many call who are invoking consciousness itself. perhaps in this neck of the woods, the answering call necessarily comes in varied ways from those sixth density aspects which are most intimately and experientially familiar with the logoi which are ensconced within sol.

the self-same sixth density being/stage of sharing consciousness in love and communion of being may represent not only the higher self of all those groups which call earth home, but indeed the higher self of all who inhabit the entire universe in lesser density stages of consciously becoming one. who knows? i don't. mark

islandgirl

09-26-2010, 07:52 AM

bbb,

yes, and i've also noted that all of the 'authors' of books i've read and studied (over and over) seem like messages from the same entity........(part of god or close enough !?)

i feel the ring of truth when the puzzle pieces fit together so neatly and perfectly with some books/info i read like, loo, carey, periera, cannon, milanovich, jm jenkins, cayce and of course and especially, our friend david wilcock....not saying 100%, but close enough. these insights, knowledge, wisdom.......all ring true with my own higher self.......from feedback, 'knowingness' i recieve during meditation and dreams and also it's put to the test in everyday life of course.....and... passes with flying colors.

so it seems to me that they are all either coming from the same entity or these are so aligned and 'on the same page' that they might as well be the same entity.

i do feel that we are individualized until the final curtain closes with the big merge into maybe 7th or higher density. i'm not comfortable losing my individual-ness yet, at least not completely, altho i do not find it hard to view everything & everyone here on earth with true oneness, but that took a couple of years to fully integrate and become a part of my feelings all of the time....well, close to all of the time, still working on that of course.

love, love, love this life ....i'm so grateful.........it's all good......even the bad.... ;-)

cheri

billybobbutterball

09-28-2010, 10:48 AM

looking a little closer...the ra have mentioned at least once that they(?) have difficulty in regarding individuals as being discrete from the cumulative 'all' of humanity...(that is my paraphrase, so one might best locate the remark)...frankly, that concept really caught my eye and set me down on my bum to do some pondering..(ra don't really know who i am??. me??

love to myself/all billious g aka bbb just another part of a bigger whole...i suppose.....:confused: :p.

bbb,

yes, and i've also noted that all of the 'authors' of books i've read and studied (over and over) seem like messages from the same entity........(part of god or close enough !?)

i feel the ring of truth when the puzzle pieces fit together so neatly and perfectly with some books/info i read like, loo, carey, periera, cannon, milanovich, jm jenkins, cayce and of course and especially, our friend david wilcock....not saying 100%, but close enough. these insights, knowledge, wisdom.......all ring true with my own higher self.......from feedback, 'knowingness' i recieve during meditation and dreams and also it's put to the test in everyday life of course.....and... passes with flying colors.

so it seems to me that they are all either coming from the same entity or these are so aligned and 'on the same page' that they might as well be the same entity.

i do feel that we are individualized until the final curtain closes with the big merge into maybe 7th or higher density. i'm not comfortable losing my individual-ness yet, at least not completely, altho i do not find it hard to view everything & everyone here on earth with true oneness, but that took a couple of years to fully integrate and become a part of my feelings all of the time....well, close to all of the time, still working on that of course.

love, love, love this life ....i'm so grateful.........it's all good......even the bad.... ;-)

cheri

Tenet Nosce

09-30-2010, 07:00 PM

so what of the future 6d smc which arises from earth? ra arose from venus, where is the earth 'ra' thingie? i wonder if any of you has had that thought.

i just wanted to point out that is a really great question. unfortunately i don't have an answer. maybe it hasn't come "online" yet and that is part of what 2012 is about? with there being such a diversity of souls i am sure it would be something quite amazing even by galactic standards. perhaps that is also why there seems to be so much energy bent on stopping it from happening.

Tenet Nosce

09-30-2010, 07:44 PM

when you think about it, this line that we have been fed about the origins of white man really makes no sense at all. so... black people migrated out of africa to the nordic regions (and only god knows why they would do that!), where after many hundreds of generations they lost their natural pigmentation?? come again? i mean i have a degree in biology and this makes no sense to me at all.

we have absolutely no evidence of anything of the sort ever occurring. i cannot think of one other species on the planet where something like this has occurred. it is one of those foundational beliefs that people just take for granted because we all learned it at such a young age. there are indigenous peoples from every corner of this planet and they all have darker skin. look at the inuit for example... why don't they have white skin they live pretty far north?

imo white people were either put here or manufactured here, but they did not "evolve" from indigenous people. even the fact that white people use the word "indigenous" hints at the idea that we are not from here originally.

not to mention all of the cultural differences. am i really supposed to believe that somehow over the ages of time african peoples became the british? gimme a break! :rolleyes:

it is things like this that put some serious dents in my faith for humanity at large. i mean the evidence against the standard lines we have been told about our origins is so overwhelming... and it is everywhere! yet people not only blindly believe the bull-honky they are told, but actively defend it against those who dare to question their cherished beliefs.

millions of slaves built the pyramids over tens of generations by dragging thousand-ton blocks up mile-long ramps? what?? this is your "rational" explanation? i'm sorry, but that is about as rational as a fat man in a red suit sliding down your chimney to leave you presents at christmastime. (which, by the way, how twisted is it that we have institutionalized lying to our children about such things?)

why are people so threatened by truth?

a third of the world's inhabitants believe that jesus is going to come down from the sky and save them while sending the other two-thirds to hell because they believe in the wrong god. not to mention there are 38,000 denominations of christianity each believing they are right and all the others are wrong. also, god created the earth 6000 years ago, and man rode the dinosaurs in the garden of eden. just like in the flintstones. people really believe this stuff. lots of them. they are teaching it in our schools. we have museums dedicated to these ludicrous beliefs.

we have megachurches led by pedophiles and sexual predators and massive conventions attended by thousands upon thousands of teens who are taught that writhing on the ground and speaking in tongues is evidence of the holy spirit entering your body. that's funny... i wouldn't have pegged the holy spirit as being so violent. wtf?!

then you have the new agers who think all you need to do is believe and suddenly you can move mountains and dodge bullets. tell that to all the billions of people who really believed that jesus was coming back to save them over the last two thousand years. haven't seen him manifest yet. so, how much belief exactly does it take anyway?

if 4d is truly 100 times more harmonious than 3d, then there are a lot of people who have some serious soul-searching to do if they have just over 2 years to get up to speed... and as far as an smc goes we are a looooooong way off. grown adults get into brawls over peewee football for criminy's sake. i'm sorry, i know there are many who believe that something so magical is going to happen in the next 2 years that all these people are going to suddenly wake up and see the light. i just don't know how that is going to occur. if it does it will be the biggest miracle in the history of the galaxy.

when does faith become folly?

if there is a 6d earth smc it belongs to the indigenous people of this planet. white folk need to go back where we came from and leave the natives of this planet alone. wanderers included. sometimes i just want to get out of this place and leave the loonies to themselves. maybe the "lesson" i came here to learn is that it is foolish to try and wake people who are perfectly content in their slumber.

sorry this turned rantish. i guess i needed to vent. :o part of me wants to delete this post, but another part of me thinks if i did it would only be for vanity's sake.

billybobbutterball

09-30-2010, 10:28 PM

interesting rant, tenet, but no reason for your to stretch facts in your fury...hey! there ain't no 38 thousand christian denomination... last time i counted there was only 28 thousand...incidentally, did you get my food source pm a week or so ago?

now the main reason i'm writing this.is....i don't think we have anything like an earth ra functioning yet. .as i gather it the ra came to maturity long after the venus experience...i would think that the earth version in 6d will take a few zillion years or so to get it all pulled together. but then it may be there is more to the ra than meets the spiritual eye ...that there is a component that reaches back into and was an important factor in the very creation of the current apparent cosmos

since there hasn't been before such a planet populated with so many di-versive races - along with so much neg/pos dynamic confrontations, that no one really knows just what is in store down line..(or up the line...depending on how you look at it.) (well, maybe the one creator knows...but it ain't talking..):cool:

this is just a feeling i have and i could be reasoned out of it rather easily....hint hint! certainly not one of my better postings..:o

best to all! bbb

conundrum

10-02-2010, 05:10 AM

Tenet Nosce

10-02-2010, 09:11 AM

we all go back to where we come from eventually ashes to ashes dust to dust it doesn't matter what color your skin is, its possibly the only thing we all agree on.

well, yes of course. i was using "white man" as a proxy for western culture. the contrast i intended to draw was between indigenous culture and "civilized" culture.

now that my mind is less unsettled, perhaps it would be of value to expand a bit on this.

according to the loo material, this whole "experiment" started when advanced beings from a different evolutionary line came to earth and tried to pass along certain knowledge and technology to the indigenous people of this planet.

these ets were highly distorted toward compassion, and wanted to help the people of this planet by accelerating their evolutionary process through these gifts of knowledge and technology.

unfortunately, this backfired. big time.

what the ets didn't anticipate was this knowledge being turned to dark purposes by those whom they had intended to uplift. the crux of the problem was that these ets were so blinded by their own compassion that they could not foresee these sorts of unintended consequences.

if you read many of my other posts, you might notice that i take a hard stance on new agers who think that ignoring the dark side of life will make it go away. compassion must be balanced by wisdom, otherwise it becomes folly. if you choose to ignore the dark forces, you are leaving yourself wide open for an attack. this has become the fundamental theme of human life on earth ever since our et friends first chose to give everybody an artificial boost.

since the big mistake, various groups (ets, galactic federation, starseeds, wanderers, etc.) have been coming here trying to put right what once went wrong. kind of like in that series quantum leap. yet it seems that the harder they try, the more things continue to go wrong.

[another good metaphor for this is the ultima rpg series. you play the avatar who has come into the world to spread the eight virtues. over the course of the series, your foes become more and more powerful. finally in the last game (called ascension) you come to realize that the more light you bring into the world, the more opportunity you create for the darkness to invade. the only way to "win" it turns out is to choose to leave the world and never come back.]

anyhow, for various reasons, it would appear that 2012 is the final deadline to put all of this right once and for all. if the lightworkers fail, then the creator will "reset" the timeline to life as it had been before the ets tried to intervene.

now i know there are many out there who are proclaiming that the battle has already been won for the light, and for all i know they may be right. however when i look out into the world, i do not observe a planetary population that is ready for the next step. sure, we have come a long way, but there is still so much fear and doubt in humanity.

what my rant was about is the fact that we live in a culture that glorifies ignorance. especially in america, stupid has become the new cool. our society at large (not necessarily every individual) seems to worship ignorance and bigotry. dear, america: i am not impressed.

sports. lady gaga. jersey shore. burgers and fries. this is what america has become about. and not only that, but most americans believe that it is our divine right and duty to spread this disease of ignorance around the rest of the planet. we think we are doing everybody a favor by bringing them "democracy". what a joke. i'm sorry, but i will take a spiritual aristocracy over rule by the ignorant masses any day.

yes, people are waking up. yes, the control mechanisms are finally starting to crumble. yes, there are many many things to be hopeful and optimistic about.

but is it too little, too late? i don't know. i hope not. however, i feel it is important for me (and all of us) to soberly consider the possibility. otherwise, we have failed to learn from our previous mistakes. we are just as blind as those who created this mess in the first place. i feel very certain that we are not out of the woods and to think that it is all peaches and cream from here on out would be disastrous. the day that everybody starts proclaiming that the dark ones have been vanquished once and for all is the day i make a run for the hills.

wolf in sheep's clothing anyone? remember that story about the trojan horse? hmm?

Tenet Nosce

10-02-2010, 09:39 AM

(cont.)

as for me, i have spent most of my life anticipating this mass awakening which never quite seems to happen. i distinctly remember reading in barbara hand clow's pleiadian agenda how we were all going to be living in this paradise-like world where our thoughts instantly become reality. this was supposedly happening by 1998.

then 2000 came and went without so much as a whisper of change. then 9/11 happened and i was sure that was going to be the final wake up call. but things went back to business as usual. katrina didn't do it either. then the financial crisis hit, and i thought ok this is the time where everybody wakes up. nope didn't quite happen. then haiti. nope. maybe the oil spill? drats. fooled again. catch my drift?

humanity keeps getting offered opportunity after opportunity to wake up and say "enough is enough!" but we don't. time and again we choose to go back to sleep. business as usual. sure, there are cleanup workers in the gulf who are bleeding from all orifices, but that doesn't affect me. besides, the kids are going back to school and it's football season now. gosh i am just so busy i don't have time for this spiritual growth stuff. i sure hope my pastor tells me who to vote for next month since i don't have the time to make up my own mind...

it was around this time last year when i started hearing all the pronouncements that the awakening was imminent. well here we are in the last quarter of 2010... and now i am hearing that 2011 is going to be the big year of awakening. again, i sure hope so. we have a lot of ground to cover.

yes, yes, yes. i get it that many individuals have been roused as of late. i observe this in my own life with the people around me. i understand how powerful the ripple effect can be. and that's what keeps me hopeful most of the time. except for when i occasionally go into a little rant.

but many individuals awakening is not the same thing as a mass awakening. i think it is time for the lightworkers to at least mentally prepare for the contingency that 2012 is going to come and go, and we are going to be standing here scratching our heads going "now what?"

i don't want to hear any more about "timeline laterals" and how ascension is really a gradual process and how we are going to be in this "in-between" world for 200, 500, 1000 years or whatever. nope. this is supposed to be a mass awakening. there should be no question in my mind once 2013 rolls around as to whether or not "it" happened. what we are talking about here (and why it is relevant to this thread) is the birth of an earth-based social memory complex.

and if "it" doesn't happen, then what? well, you know, maybe it would be time for me to quietly live out my life and go home. i'm tired of fighting. i'm tired of the ignorance and denial. i am tired by living by the rules and regulations of a society still in spiritual diapers. i am tired and cranky, and i just want to go home. and that's totally ok.

i can take the wisdom and compassion i gleaned from this place and bring it back to a place where i know it will be honored and celebrated. not by the few, but by the many. and that's totally ok.

maybe the message i will bring back is that the best way to awaken earthlings to their true origins and destiny is to leave them the heck alone and let them figure it out for themselves. even if it takes a billion years. and that's totally ok.

i know that it is the purpose of this forum to create a positive and uplifting environment for people to explore these concepts. i appreciate the graciousness of the mods to allow me to take this dip into negativity.

but i think it is good for me in the end to express it. and just maybe it is good for somebody else out there to read it. maybe they have been feeling the same way, but are afraid to come out and say it because they think that they are the only one who feels this way.

to those people, i have a message. you are not alone. spirituality is not about feeling 100% positive 100% of the time. it is not all peaches and cream. and that's totally ok.

it was meant to be that way.

transiten

10-03-2010, 12:29 AM

Tenet Nosce

10-03-2010, 09:12 AM

your post really rings true to me and just yesterday evening i heared a documentary from the seventies where there was an organization in sweden contacting prisoners to help them get a new chance. what also happened was that several women fell in love with the prisoners, married them etc and it always backfired. (2 of them were police daughters...) they were naive and tried to give unconditional love to grown up persons whatever they did and that's not possible...

hi transiten,

that is an interesting story you shared which i think illustrates one of my points very well.

most likely these prisoners had all sorts of negative attachments around them. ghouls, demons, gremlins, whatever you want to call them. besides what they brought with them into prison, god only knows what they picked up there.

these women, being completely naive to the idea that negative entities even exist were ripe for the picking. i hear about this kind of thing all the time. they say "gosh, deep down so-and-so is such a wonderful person, but every so often something just comes over them!" exactly. that "something" is a ghoul having a field day with your relationship.

transiten

10-03-2010, 12:20 PM

then again i do of course think criminals can change but that requires a profeesional approach from someone who is not romantically involved.

transiten

Tenet Nosce

10-04-2010, 09:09 AM

so i want to bring this thread back on point, since there was some interesting discussion going on before i derailed it with my rantish monologue.

the question that was raised was: are all higher selves one and the same?

now i have u2 playing in my head. "we're one, but we're not the same. we get to carry each other..."

i am not surprised that most higher selves, when queried on spiritual philosophy, would return almost identical answers. where i think we would find differences is less in the answer and more in how they arrived at the answer.

those questions rarely get asked, though. i had a friend who was a trance channel. quite popular. once a week about 50 people or so would gather while she channeled "the angels".

even though the faces in the crowd would change, the questions were almost always the same. "should i take that new job?" "should i move?" "should i continue to see so-and-so?"

interesting, and also frustrating, that the vast majority of people seemed to feel that the best use of their question began with "should i..." especially since the answer was always some iteration of "do whatever will bring you the most joy."

two things i observed, both of which resulted in me distancing myself from the new age crowd.

the first was that there were a handful of people who came every week, and asked the same question. as if the answer was going to change. these people clearly wanted "the angels" to tell them what to do.

although "the angels" never came out and said do this or that, they also never called these people out on the carpet about their repetitive questions. maybe that wasn't their style. but it definitely was my style.

my higher self was busting at the seams to say "hey lady, we've got a message for you. pull your head out of your rear! we of course mean this in the most loving way possible."

what i am getting at is that i would be hearing one answer in my mind, and hearing another answer from "the angels" therefore, not the same. also i just couldn't get over the sense that there was some creepy form of codependency going on between the audience and the channeled beings.

the second thing which i found interesting and troubling is that i always made it a point to ask "the angels" questions about themselves. "who are you?" "where do you come from?" "what is it like in your own vibration?"

these questions seemed to have quite the unsettling effect for my angelic friends. it appeared to make them quite uncomfortable, and i found their answers to be more than a bit evasive.

where i am going with this is that observing that higher selves seem to come up with the same answers, doesn't necessarily mean they are the same being. one may have taken a primary path of wisdom, while another took a primary path of compassion. while a third is merely cheating off of their neighbors paper, but hasn't done their own work.

Ultima Thule

10-05-2010, 09:45 AM

billybobbutterball

10-05-2010, 02:47 PM

hi everyone.

if our higher self is us looking back at us from the future, are we not at this moment the higher self for more undeveloped version of ourselves in the past? is considering our past choices actually us working as a higher self?

thanks david and all associates for a s-p-e-c-t-a-c-u-l-a-r work!

hi, uitima, that is an interesting possibility! i never thought of that. generally we think of
our communicating higher self as being of 6th density. i've never heard of a higher self per se of the 4th or 5th density deliberately identifying and communicating...of course we have examples of communications coming from those densities. yet there is in the literature the idea of timelessness both fore and aft...then to further confound things is the idea of multiple split-offs in our life --that every branching off of possible alternate choice along our road of gathering experience must be explored..if so then we have hundreds of thousands of parallel "lives"!!...and if so what "higher-self" would each of those have. -- it boggles the mind!

wish you hadn't made that post...my head is overloaded and i'm getting a headache.:p

hmm. this seems a good time to repeat one of my favorite explanations of a simpler ilk...but no less thought-provoking:

"it is the cosmic plan that wisdom is obtained by knowledge gathered through the experiences of diversity within unity" (you/me diversity..human race, unity)

this seems to solve one of the thorns of theology --the dualistic idea of one and the many is the specter that arises out of conventional theistic christian theology.

the problem is that in the orthodox view the almighty god created the cosmos out of nothing. (nothing!!?? a supposed creation "ex nihilo" ) therefor the creation is in a sense an alien creature having a virtually unbridgeable gulf separating it from its creator.

that doesn't seem to make sense...it makes more sense that the creation stems from the very beingness --an essence--of the "one creator." ... that approach suggests pantheism, or panentheism ...or a strange new kid on the block, panendeism.

in case you are dying to know...i think that the basic concept of panentheism is the most satisfactory..needless to say there is a horde of people smarter than i am who disagree..

always praying for the best and highest good for all concerned! bbb

12thUranus

10-06-2010, 09:24 PM

conundrum

10-09-2010, 01:42 AM

if you get back to the basics our mothers are our first higher selves that every human has ever had after that take your pick there's religions and guru's every where.

if you look deep enough though it leads back to bacteria somatids bions ect and there's plenty of that floating around in space apparently bacteria that is, effective microorganisms so if you think about it they are our higher and lower selves with out them we don't exist and neither does numerous other forms of life that we share the planet with.

12thUranus

10-17-2010, 06:33 AM

well tenet

your post really rings true to me and just yesterday evening i heared a documentary from the seventies where there was an organization in sweden contacting prisoners to help them get a new chance. what also happened was that several women fell in love with the prisoners, married them etc and it always backfired. (2 of them were police daughters...) they were naive and tried to give unconditional love to grown up persons whatever they did and that's not possible...

transiten
@ tenet

your post transiten is referring to here rings very true for me as well.

the "not coming together" all boils down to un-acceptance. disagreements that lead to all separation is derived by humanity's nature to not accept an other. no two humans on this planet will agree on everything 100%.

first we must accept ourselves, and come to know ourselves. if we don't know ourselves, or are trying to "become a person we can accept", we will probably be duped by a prisoner.

second, we try to accept others. all of them!!! "but".... accept them.... "but".... accept them...."but"..... accept them. i have really tried to use loo material to point out that anyone who thinks they are sto and doesn't accept everyone who "doesn't see what i see", "won't listen", "if they did it my way", "if they could accept me then i would accept them", etc. is not serving others at all.

again, it is human nature, and i can find no one that truly accepts any and all others. therefore, it will take a huge change in our perception of spiritual, probably a dna change to facilitate a world of acceptance.

our 6d higher self wants it this way, obviously. it is certainly not happening during 3d.

Chris Priddy

12-07-2010, 07:13 PM

-2012 is the final deadline -if the lightworkers fail, then the creator will "reset" the timeline to life as it had been before the ets tried to intervene.

a reset or 75,000 yr. cycle culmination is inevitable, yes?

maybe the message i will bring back is that the best way to awaken earthlings to their true origins and destiny is to leave them the heck alone and let them figure it out for themselves. even if it takes a billion years. and that's totally ok.

yep- i'd agree. nobody needs saving. in other words, the world is exactly as it should be(?) given your manner of speech it sounds like you're a wanderer. i was told i am as well. (a very geriatric high 6, no less.) which is embarrassing as hell for me. reason being is i must have been coerced to migrate here.

-either that, or i lost a bet.

if there's any "meassage to take back"- it's the recognition that entity conception in lesser environment than 4d unnecessarily fosters redundant disharmony. the nature of our experiential connectivity can only be an abundance of oneself expression. arguments to the contrary 'can only' sustain and enable what is apparently a cosmic-conventionalist posturing. my meaning is despite my good humor in agreeing with the obvious futility of trying to steer our effortless intelligence; or what is our inherently hierarchial evolution. it's aggravating to consider that we nevertheless maintain far broader reflection of this displaced {effortless} evo. in our solicitation of a "veiled" 3d {labor} -in the motion of an expeditious evo-leap. least by ex. of our foolhearty localized practice in crusades-interventions-unnecessary good intentions, brought on in effort of fallaciously supposed necessity, where none exists.

-i remember years ago when my 'higher self', 'teacher' or 'guide' -whomever, asked me "why do you concern yourself with such trivial things". which was prompted by my going over work in my mind of how the dockmen and i were being poorly treated. i responded with unspoken and contemptious inflection that it was {no more or less} trivial than anything else. his meaning was i have- there is- {greater} purpose or "mission". not that i ever asked what that might be, or cared. -what's more rediculous or self-serving. this measured practice is the height of sts, or more accurately the inversion of our naturally occurring-experiential connectivity.

where do we get the balls.

:d:rolleyes:

seems we must {need} (?) to augment the progressive nature of our connectivity rather than inhibit it, when we propose that "harmonious" environment is boring, or {less} provocative in our experiential breadth and depth than is an inharmonious environment. and "they" think "we" got problems-

=)

gusy

Jeia Ra Manuk

08-18-2011, 07:32 AM

if moderators allow, i would like to give my own personal opinion on this.

1. why is the higher self looking back at its personality in the past?
first of all, the 6th density does not lie on any particular time-line. they don't see time as we do. for them time is the same as space. thus, they move freely in time and space as we move freely in space alone. for them, they are not looking into the past. all they are doing is answering the calls to serve. during the first 3 densities our being masters space/time, and during the next 3 densities it masters time/space. so you see a 6th density being is a master of time/space. like when you die, you land in time/space to go through and review your life and then reincarnate. but this is still your 3d self not your 6d self. thus your 6d being can as well review all of it's past but at any given time, whenever it pleases. so, if your 6d being gets a call from you, and you are asking for help, it has the full capacity to access any files of any previous lives and densities to help you out. it won't interfere with your free-will choices and such but it can guide you. does this mean you will necessary be able to skip all the hard stuff that your 6th density went through during its travel through lower densities? yes and no. we can't know for sure, because as i said before, these beings are outside of our perception of time. i know it can be very confusing trying to understand that you've lived all of this before and are now guiding your self through it once more from a position outside of our known reality. but you do have to understand that there is no past nor future, only the present now filled with past regrets and memories and future expectations.

if the higher self is looking back at itself, can we assume that the higher self has lived as all personalities already?

or is the higher self simply the highest expression of ourself that never left the spiritual realm with full knowledge of the past, present and future?

both of the above statements would be right from our perspective. from the perspective of any 6d beings both space and time can be traveled through at ease.
chew on this for a while. when we ourselves get to 6th density will us from the "past", us from the 3d, be asking us the 6d for help? will we, just like ra decide to come help a civilization like the egyptians?
well, we are all already there right? in 6d?
in my opinion what happens: a 6d being fully remembers all of its past, all of its past densities and lives. they have full capacity to manifest anything they want. maybe all we are doing is operating from 6th density... manifesting these realities to experience? maybe we are just living through a memory of our higher selves??? and when we die and are reviewing out lives, we can't change anything on the spot, we have to come up with a new karmic plan for our next live. but the 6d beings can have an influence on the context they are reviewing because they, as i've said before, operate freely in both space/time and time/space.

love and light,
ra ma

Freeman1

10-22-2011, 09:26 AM

visitors to the past are not allowed to change anything.
higher self is to be found, practiced with, and learned to be used as one would use a tool...
revisiting ones past allows to voyager to not make the same mistakes. attitudes, beliefs, and what one thinks they know, can affect future travel and progress, etc.
i have regressed into past lives, and was awestruck as to what i was, etc. needless to say, i was very glad to know that in other lives i had found out what was wrong with me and my actions/beliefs so i could do better.
the idea is to get to the point of development where one no longer needs to relive another life in order to get/do better.
basically, you are to advance to where the endless chain of reincarnation is broken, and you can move on.
ultimately all roads lead to the creator/god...
i'm looking forward to the journey.
freeman

Asa

10-30-2011, 02:06 AM

great question, great comments. since there is no future and no past as all exists at the same time, 6d higher self exists simultaneously with my 3d self. 6d higher self seeks to achieve greater learning through experience and knows what "lessons" i need to work on in this 3d incarnation. through the use of synchronisties and nudges the higher self assists me during this incarnation to ensure the "lessons" appear for me to learn.

an example, sometimes you might be placed in a job where you have a lesson to learn, whatever it may be, forgiveness, learning to love through difficult situations, etc. when that lesson is learned you need move on but often we can trapped in the mundane of the physical, i.e., don't leave the job, it's not bad, the pay is okay, the benefits are good, i've got a mortgage to pay, etc. when it comes time to move on and you don't easily get the message then other alternatives come into play, you get fired, laid off, etc. you now have the choice of either remaining in the same general type job or choosing a new direction, your free will, but the opportunity to exercise your free will has been arranged.

as it points out where you are, the destination you need to reach, and the possible ways to get there is known to your higher self. it simply tries to assist you in achieving the most you can in the most energy efficient manner. problem, getting bogged down in the physical can make it difficult to achieve the amount you need to achieve requiring repeated excursions into the physical to accomplish the task.

brother asa

Asa

10-30-2011, 02:15 AM

to put it more simply: your 6d creator fragment is assisting and controlling it's consciousness fragment (soul) that is experiencing a 3d incarnation to help that 3d fragment achieve everything it is to achieve prior to reunification with the creator fragment from which it came. how does all this work? it's a mystery that a consciousness fragment experiencing 3d can not comprehend. it is simply enough to gain knowledge of such things and accept them based upon faith and one's own experiences and confirmations.

brother asa

Andrew Bartzis

02-20-2012, 08:58 AM

each time we incarnate psychical bodies we start as a clean slate. -- DNA is our code to unravel the mystery of the source field. Worldly education teaches us to communicate with our body mind so we know how to connect to spirit and time. --Apply it to one theory from blank slat to full definition of the self. it requires self input to move along to a final part.

2012 is the final part. our higher selves are apart of us in ways. We all know we are more than we have heard read or studied. we all have a link to the creative force within. bake this whole statement into one giant human species cake. you get a diffident thing every bite. some think its sour, others say its bland and some say its wonderful. in fact it's a cake we baked. we make our own future even if that future already exists on a spiritual level

zecharia

04-09-2012, 10:26 AM

Ourself

06-08-2012, 06:44 AM

God is ourselves fully realized - We are God.

Youniverse

08-07-2012, 09:46 PM

Rosa

08-08-2012, 03:21 PM

God is ourselves fully realized - We are God.

On a Light-note: You must say-It w/PRIDE! :)

We are God... So ... We are... God?

How about,

We Are God, or We ARE THE GOD-MIND.

EcyaC

08-08-2012, 05:43 PM

Hi all! Could we think of this in terms of the Akashic records? Could we also think of this question in terms of what David Wilcock talks about in "Source Field Investigations" regarding the DNA Phantom Effect? So our soul or higher self extends it's reach into the past and future. And what it sees and learns in the future it tries to convey back to the base entity/incarnation so as to reach the desired state with greater efficacy? This sounds to me almost like a scout of sorts that relays back to the main group valuable info. to enhance the probability of success in any endeavour.

One thing I don't get however, why would the higher self need to do this relating back if it is already a higher self? Is it a way of repeating what has already occurred over and over again in various ways for the pure joy of it? Is it to fine tune what has already become a highly evolved entity into something greater? These kind of questions get a little screwy to say the least, when we consider transcendence of time and space, or quantum theory, or the proposition that everything is really happening all at once but only appears apart when viewed through the variable of time and space. I have to keep reminding myself that all this is for the pure joy of being. The dance of existence intermingled with non-existence culminating in remembrance of self and returning home.

WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!!

I could tell I was going to like your posts judging by your username and I was right. You don't disappoint. You're absolutely right about your questions getting "a little screwy" when you're keeping in much things such as "true simultaneity" the way the Ra define it:

RA: The nature of true simultaneity is such that, indeed, all is simultaneous...The seeming contradictions of determinism and free will melt when it is accepted that there is such a thing as true simultaneity...True simultaneity is available only when all things are truly seen to be occurring at once. The concept of "various parts" of Higher Self living "various experiences" simultaneously, is not precisely accurate due to your [distorted] understanding that this [dualistic experience] is an example of "true simultaneity". This is not the case. [In a true understanding of Unity, there are no "parts", no separate experiences or souls, no time and no space] ...Perhaps the simplest example of this apparent simultaneity of existence of two selves, which are in truth actually one self at the same time/space [which is the Law of One], is what we have been considering. From your perspective, the Higher Self seems to exist simultaneously with the mind / body / spirit which it aids. However, [from the 3D perspective] this is not actually simultaneous, for the Higher Self is moving towards the soul as it is needed, from a point of development which could be considered to be your future...you may see your 3D self, your 6D Higher Self or Oversoul, and your mind / body / spirit complex totality as three points in a circle. The only distinction between them is your experience of time and space. In reality, all are the same being.[This is "true simultaneity"]

"Is it to fine tune what has already become a highly evolved entity into something greater?"

I'm going to go with YES because I had a dream once where I saw a tree on fire, when I was swinging in a swing at a park, then the tree started speaking to me in a voice like you'd expect God's voice to sound. It said, "It's time for you to move on to bigger and better things..." then I got a vision of a red pulse monitor thingy turning green.

"I have to keep reminding myself that all this is for the pure joy of being."

DITTO. :)

Youniverse

08-10-2012, 06:59 PM

Thanks EcyaC good to be hear with you. Your dream sounds like the old "burning bush" representation of God doesn't it? Ya it can get very complicated trying to explain these kinds of things. I always try to reduce things down to the simplest concept. And occasionally I succeed :). I suppose one could also say that all individual expressions of the One or God cannot fail in their process toward reuniting with Source. And because of what you call "simultaneity" where there is no time or space,all souls, higher selves, oversouls, etc. are united as one and so of course, at this moment now, our higher self exists. I finally got around to reading "Conversations With God" [not finished yet] and so far loving it. Makes a lot of sense to me. There is a statement by God in that book to the effect that we are in this process of remembering who we are as disjointed pieces of "All That Is" manifesting the countless expressions of itself, and in this purpose, our only true purpose we cannot ultimately fail in reaching its fulfillment. This brings joy to my heart! And there are also so many ways that we can reach the state of Being and that is part of the whole point of it.

Rosa

08-10-2012, 10:56 PM

I saye... The higher self belonges to the combination of Group-Soules such as Ra Ta.

Uzbazbiel

12-16-2012, 03:53 PM

Channelings are not always 100% accurate and its meaning can be altered or not explained well depending on the knowledge and rapport that the channeler has with the spirit. I feel that 'future self' is an incorrect explanation or perhaps a term given to a concept that may not be sufficiently described.

The higher self which is the soul works outside of time where the mind, whatever density you want to call it exists in time so it is in a sense slower than the instantaneous soul that exists beyond temporal limitations. The soul knows itself in a sense that it knows its condition, desires, memories, and intentions but the lower self, the mind, takes time to become conscious of what the soul already knows. So in a sense, the soul is always one step ahead of the mind in that it already knows what the mind has yet to know or do. So I feel that the term 'future self' describes this differentiation. I don't believe it means that your higher self, your soul, exists in the future where you would have to time travel to connect and experience your own soul.

I also don't believe that your soul talks to your lower self or bodies. The astral body is of the soul meaning that the astral body is lower than the soul and the astral body is subjected to the soul much like a slave/master relationship. And the physical body is of the mind in the same way. The physical body operates on a temporal plane much slower than the mind.

This all being said, the soul has a condition of perfection which you can call sacred geometry. It also has another condition called distortion which is distorted geometry. When the soul is distorted it causes that portion of the astral body to also become distorted as well as the condition of the astral body always reverts to the condition of the soul. And the same is true with the physical body in relation to the astral body.

So when the soul changes its geometric shapes the mind is following it by mimicking it's image in geometry, but it takes time to do that because it has a temporal limitation in comparison to the soul body and that's what term 'future self' means.

Natho

12-24-2012, 07:47 PM

MarkM

01-17-2013, 12:48 AM

Indeed.
Another perspective would have the lower self seen as a 'recollection' as opposed to a direct connection. The indirect approach allows the so called 'past/lower self' to be filtered through a series of 'understandings' which have already been met by the individual so that no confusions of the past are repeated, its a natural gaurd but by no means dissconnects one from its lineage but is instead a foundation feature.

One may refer to past/future self when considering oversouls etc, though understand that these concepts are but stepping stones toward an abstract connection that must be made. It may be more appropriate for others to think of the overself as a mirror image...one that moves a little faster then you do which has you compelled to follow its cheek, whilst the lower self is following yours. A casscading effort, how you reflect upon the mirror will depend on what is reflected upon its surface.

Well taken, Chris and Natho.

A purely intellectual examination of the relationship between the soul and the temporal experiment which we are here is perhaps prone to think in terms of 'higher self', or even better the overself, existing in the future or a discrete 'other' realm, place or time with all the concommitant thoughts of separation time-wise, space-wise, etc..

The movements of the heart directing/being directed by the intellect may offer a sense of how an emotion may persist for some time and yet not exist as a timely, becoming thing. An emotion seems less under the thrall of the inherent nature of change through moments as does a thought or bundle of cascading thoughts; although thought added to emotion does tend to add some measure of change to the sense of the emotion.

Coupled and cohesively experienced, heart/mind - mind/heart may come to experience marvelous synchros and prompts, experienced by the heart as blending timelessly with the emotion as felt, while the mind learns to sublimate itself to giving up on rigidly and long held notions of its inherent edifice.

Love exists - as we all seem to know - beyond time, forming the landscape or matrix onto which we seem to project and experience time's march, and as the soul according to LoO 101 exists outside of time as we have been conditioned to find change, perhaps pure consciousness is in a position to never allow a 'moment' to pass whereby the human experiment is not challenged and lovingly invited to 'seize the day' and allow for infinite guidance not only as a summation of a lifetime, but something which is with us forever time-wise.

For many, I suspect this translates into finding it within ourselves to transcend fear by way of simply producing our best works and marketing ourselves from a position of dedication and single pointed discipline to find a way to do what is within us by way of what we most love to do and is multiplying of what we can offer the world.

Coherence seems to be a smooth constant yet is a totally passive and beguiling presence, and I find that my life has persons and conditions in it who and which are equally and smoothly there to serve as reflections of me. As to how I kick against the pricks in my mystery is a measure of what has invited me to make some more peace. It, while I am here, will always be a process; even as every moment bar none contains an eternal yet passive invitation to get on a better bus perhaps more trusting of the eternal and inevitable outcome.

Here, the soul while not concerned with the vagaries of the day is maybe hoping we will pare down those issues which see us worried and apprehensive, time-wise; and enter into the eternal now with all its promise of another way of...

"For my deepest fears contain within them through my choice my innermost hopes and dreams."

Sri Narayana

01-19-2013, 02:17 PM

The disposition of the meaning that we call “Life” is not as the mind structure its appearance - from the birth to death, connecting up the points of your stages in past lives, self awareness, health, relationships, jobs, etc.,. To be more perceptive, it is right to say, that there is no life as we know… and yes, there is no death ever. The reference points of your own being are so different that we can surely say that they do not relate at all.
There is only one thing we can be truly aware of and it is the beauty of spiritual face of a true saint. If you can watch that face alive or on the photo for hours, days and years, your own face will be changed and you will be recognized as a divine being… It is a direct contact with the center of Universe, it is the highest practice and highest realization. When you will be given that divine appearance, you will be able instantly see the spiritual growth in every face with a precise knowledge of the spiritual stage of every person.
Be simple. Be eternal. When you become yourself you will become everyone. Jai Ma. Sri Narayana.

EcyaC

04-21-2013, 03:10 PM