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karena83540

02-21-2002, 09:31 AM

Dear Seth,
Thanks so much for taking the time to post your thoughts and views
about our current political system (such as it is), and your
interpretation of the game. I must admit that I can't completely
digest what you are trying to convey. Maybe we are coming from two
different places. Maybe not.
I have only paid attention to politics for about three years now. I
guess you could say that I am kind of obsessed with it though. My
career allows me the opportunity to listen to talk radio throughout
the day (drive time). Michael Medved, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage,
NPR, etc. I have often wondered why I listen to the first three since
I don't agree with much of anything they say. I have decided that it
helps me with my patience. No longer do I cuss at the radio. When
Michael Savage refers to "spiritual seekers" as the "pit of hell that
must be exterminated from the face of the earth", I don't feel that
tightening in my tummy. I won't even go into Shawn Hannity and Bill
O"Reilly. Dispassion has somewhat taken over and I like it that way.
As far as a political party is concerned I have decided to
practice free will. I like the freedom to distrust Dick Gephardt and
admire Condelezza Rice even though I am way farther to the left than
the right. It does bother me to see so many suits making critical
decisions. A saying I heard years ago keeps cropping up into my
thoughts, "men and their dicks". I apoligize if that offends anyone
but I'm afraid in politics its appropriate.
Regarding the Natural Law Party, I have listened to Dr. John
Hagelin quite a few times on radio and TV. Do I think he would make a
good president? Probably not. He has great ideas regarding our food
supply (labeling genetically enhanced products), meditation as a
national health subject, and of course free energy. He's a great
facilitator. For me though, he's just not the right messenger. Kind
of like Dr. Greer (Disclosure project), we may need a different
messenger. I purchased his two tapes regarding press club event and
was impressed with information but Dr. Greer made me feel uneasy. He
adsolutely deserves much respect for what he has done and is doing.
He's probably a really nice guy, but, I gotta be honest. He may be a
great facilitator but a conveyor of planet changing information, he
may not be. Delegation can be a beautiful word. Just my opinion.

Karen

Jeremy Weiland

02-21-2002, 02:43 PM

> My
> career allows me the opportunity to listen to talk
> radio throughout
> the day (drive time). Michael Medved, Rush Limbaugh,
> Michael Savage,
> NPR, etc. I have often wondered why I listen to the
> first three since
> I don't agree with much of anything they say.

It's always been my opinion that such talk radio shows
serve a great end for the elites in turning people
against each other. People love to be offended.

> I have decided that it
> helps me with my patience. No longer do I cuss at
> the radio. When
> Michael Savage refers to "spiritual seekers" as the
> "pit of hell that
> must be exterminated from the face of the earth", I
> don't feel that
> tightening in my tummy. I won't even go into Shawn
> Hannity and Bill
> O"Reilly. Dispassion has somewhat taken over and I
> like it that way.

You're an example to us all, but especially *me*.
Good for you!

> As far as a political party is concerned I have
> decided to
> practice free will. I like the freedom to distrust
> Dick Gephardt and
> admire Condelezza Rice even though I am way farther
> to the left than the right.

I guess I'm lucky in that I've found a party that I
agree with 98% of the time and who embodies principles
that I consider spiritually significant. However,
just being a member of the party still doesn't do much
more good than not being a member. Also, politics can
be big trap for the easily inflamed... something I
still work on.

Being careful,

Jeremy

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02-26-2002, 01:30 AM

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<tt>http://natural-law.org/enews/2002_02_19.html
Karen</tt>
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align="left" class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr"><tt>Karen,</tt>
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align="left" class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr"><tt>I don't wish tobe a party-pooper on this, but I will like to make some very brief comments, based on my years of doing Law/legal research and activism.</tt>
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align="left" class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr"><tt>Firstly I had previously joined the Natural Lawparty years ago(Ithe first one in acounty in California to join)becauseI liked their principles. Then I joined other 3rd parties(Green, etc), because I liked their principles also and wanted to help boost them; further, I had been a Libertarian party member since 1980.</tt>
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align="left" class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr"><tt>But the problem is not the parties; it's the whole US citizenship system. The problem is deep and systemic and is irretrivably broken--since the beginning, which was in the Civil War.</tt>
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align="left" class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr"><tt>I don't have the time to reference a great deal of detail, so I will only highlight, so use the various key words that areitalicized so that any of you can, if you wish, do some searching on the web for more information, of which there is a lot of it. My highlights are proven facts, not hear-say.</tt>
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align="left" class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr"><tt>The US citizenship class of people, as created by theunlawful 14th Amendment, is a serious trap. As a US citizen, you are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, a territorial, provisional(look up this word in a dictionary to get clear on the meaning of it), corporationgovernment that is of, by and for the power elites, not of the People. A member of the People have Unalienable Rights as granted by our All That Is; a member of the sheeople(sheep + people) have only privileges as granted by the provisional, territorial US 'government', and as such, the privileges can be taken away at any time for any reason--witness the attacks on "civil liberties"(which are the mere privileges, not Unalienable Rights) of late by this fascist, war-based 'government' that is hell-bent on greater enslavement of the sheeople. It is soooo profitable to keep the masses dumbed-down because of the private, corporate script passed around as money--the FEDF.R.A.U.D. notes(Federal Reserve Accounting Units of Dollars).</tt>
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align="left" class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr"><tt>So when you register to vote, you are registering as a US citizen member of this territorial and 'trrrizing' corporation, and as such, your "vote" is considered as a recomendation only., which can be ignored, like what happened with the fraudulent "election" of our current dictator, the shrub prez.</tt>
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align="left" class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr"><tt>As a US citizen, you are subject to 60 million "laws" as created by the fictional, provisional 'government' of US; a Sovereign Citizen(note the capitalized "C") is not subject to Laws(Common Law, Organic Constitutional Law, Positive Law), but is the creator of their own Laws. The Sovereign Citizen is truly free and so is a nation that is based on its own freeborn Citizens and Inhabitants.</tt>
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align="left" class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr"><tt>The BIG danger facing US citizens now is that the machinations are already in the works for a complete transfer of the chattel(look this word up) property(US citizens)to be under the one world 'government'(UN is a part of it, but is merelya forunner ofa new "provisional" world gummint) in which its courts are decided by an unelected panel of hand-picked judges without any decision by a jury of peers and without any chance of appeal. We already now have small world courts operating in Oregon. Furthermore, for many decades the courts in America already have been operating entirely outside the scope of the Organic Constitution and such courts reference the Constitution on as window dressing to keep the masses asleep. Today's courts are, in fact, already military tribunals that wear many jurisdictional hats, except the one that counts the most--the Organic Constitution and the Common Law. </tt>
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align="left" class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr"><tt>Fortunately we have a "faction two" of the power elites trying to stop the one-world-gummint "faction one" of the elites from succeeding and, so far, faction two certainly has slowed them down, lucky for us, the sheeople and People.</tt>
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align="left" class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr"><tt>I have concluded, based on my years of heavy research, is that the best way--the only way--that the system can really change is for sheeople to change back into their rightful statuses as Inhabitants and Citizens of the originalRepublic states of the Union, then we can reclaim our Sovereignty. Can this happen? It could, but is very unlikely, yet I am working towards that while I am preparing for the Great Shift and shift over to 4-D. I wish to at least live my last few years in 3-D as a truly free Sui Juris in an overwhelming police state as a statement of my deep Principles that ALL People are free, not to mention ALL living beings. </tt>
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align="left" class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr"><tt>For quick reference, look at the difference between the two Constitutions; the first being the Organic Constitution, the second being the watered-down and much-ignored corporate constitution. Look at the very first parts of the two--won't take much time--and look at the differences in capitalization, wording, etc.</tt>
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align="left" class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr"><tt>http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm(Organic Constitution)</tt>
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align="left" class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr"><tt>http://www.constitution.org/usconsti.htm(corporate version)</tt>
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align="left" class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr"><tt>In Freedom,</tt>
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align="left" class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr"><tt>Seth, Sui Juris</tt>