question on having a choice?

[The_Last_Man_50008]

can we choose to ascend or not?

also when we die, is it possible to actually just cease to exist completely and never come back?

[Kranos]

If i am thinking correctly we have the ability to either ascend or to stay.

In the Law Of One Ra says that the last cycle that occured where people got to ascend. No one ascended, but there were people who were able to but chose not to ascend. They chose to stay.

Also I don't think it is possible to just ceast existing. You are everything and everything is you. We are one. Thats what i think at least.

Hope that helps you some. :)

[Greywolf69]

i feel that we, here and now, and from our past, chose to ascend or not by our thoughts, and actions reguarding spirituality, being "positive or negative" towards the self and others. if there are karmic issues that one needs to resolve that has not yet done so, or learned the lesson that needed to be learned, then that "individual" will most likely repeat 3rd density again. and if the individual was able to ascend when the harvest came, and was given the choice, then that individual could choose to stay or ascend. as far as "death" goes, i feel that death does not exsist because of the nature of who we really are. as Kranos stated "we are one". the only way we would cease to exsist is if life itself ceased to exsist. just an opinion.

[Detlef]

On the first question, it depends, if we understand we are the soul, Yes.
(you will have made this choice by now)


We never cease to exist, we always existed in one form or an other, and will continue in some form.

Regards Detlef

[Avariel]

Ceasing to exist may not be an option, but you can get awfully close. Take the Maldeks, for example. Now I only read over it once so far (being new to these parts), but I do recall Ra saying that the Maldeks were so distraught by the destruction they caused to their world that they sort of "froze" their consciousness into something akin to a dreamless coma state. It took a loooong time and lots of effort and love on everyone's part just to get them to remember they were conscious again. It was literally a fall from Grace in the worst sense, a drop from 3D existence to 1D (1D being just like how a pet rock might realize it exists, but still can't do anything... because it's a rock!)

I don't get the impression that the downward shift was voluntary, however.


Just my humble PoV there... (and assuming I didn't misinterpret the Ra material).

[The_Last_Man_50008]

thats annoying because id just rather have eternal non existence (after living my life) rather than immortality and since id be dead it wouldnt matter because i wouldnt feel anything

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

Hi The_Last_Man_50008, thanks for the questions. First I feel we always have a choice deep down.
Second yes it is possible as far as our identity goes, and that also is a choice, the ultimate choice and is extreemly personal because it means the end of our attachement to our own personality the end of our individual seperate selfs and a total serender of all residual energy that keeps our illusion activated. The union with Infinite Creation will probably erase all recollection of our particular experience as our own and simply blend it in with the collective multiversal consciousness spreading us out into foreveness and togetherness. This choice may be made as we cross over the 8th and final density at which point we may choose to return to infinity or begin a new octave.....................................Sylvain ............................

[The_Last_Man_50008]

Hi The_Last_Man_50008, thanks for the questions. First I feel we always have a choice deep down.
Second yes it is possible as far as our identity goes, and that also is a choice, the ultimate choice and is extreemly personal because it means the end of our attachement to our own personality the end of our individual seperate selfs and a total serender of all residual energy that keeps our illusion activated. The union with Infinite Creation will probably erase all recollection of our particular experience as our own and simply blend it in with the collective multiversal consciousness spreading us out into foreveness and togetherness. This choice may be made as we cross over the 8th and final density at which point we may choose to return to infinity or begin a new octave.....................................Sylvain ............................

so are there only 8 densities because i have heard that there are at least 12, although id reckon there was infinite?

Thanks,
Marcus

[The Wonderer]

Sorry if I sound like a idiot, but does this mean that if I don't get ascended, I'm screwed? Will I go to hell(or some low vibration of density)? I truly want my family and I to be ascended so that we won't be held down by the evil elite as we are poor but try to survive.

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

There are infinite octaves, this particular one has 7 densities plus the 8th which returns to Infinity or it becomes the first density in the next octave. This choice to return to infinity or begin anew is actualy contemplated throughout the 7th density and is only acted upon in the 8th.
There are also sub-densities within each density.................................Sylvain... ..................................

[3D Sunset]

Sorry if I sound like a idiot, but does this mean that if I don't get ascended, I'm screwed? Will I go to hell(or some low vibration of density)? I truly want my family and I to be ascended so that we won't be held down by the evil elite as we are poor but try to survive.

Hi Wonderer,

First, you don't sound like an idiot. You sound like a concerned parent, child, and spouse. Ultimately, all return to the One Infinite Creator, because in reality we already ARE the One Infinite Creator. We have simply chosen to forget this fact so that we may experience existence through the exercise of our free will. Everyone follows a different path to return, in their own time.

So the main point is to find your path and choose your time. Whether or not we are approaching Third Density Harvest or Ascension, we should all be focusing inwardly on ensuring that we are prepared for advancement, whenever our opportunity comes.

Of critical import in this process is not interfering with other people's free will. One of the concerns of people like DW are that by sharing their insights and perspectives they may impact your free will. As such, I strongly suggest that if you respond with fear or dread to some parts of what you read, simply set those aside. You see, it doesn't matter whether or not you "believe in" what is happening (Ascension, Harvest, aliens, the evil elite, etc.). They exist (or not) and will happen (or not) according to their own need and time, just like the sunrise and the sunset.

All that matters is whether or not YOU are prepared to advance. This preparation is best accomplished internally, through meditation and knowing yourself. The more you know yourself, the more you will recognize how to live the Law of One in your life, and the more those around you will see your peace and confidence and seek too what you manifest.

Now, what may sound weird is that even "evil" people are really just climbing Jacobs Ladder too, just like you and me. They are also living the Law of One in their lives, and trying to advance to the next level. They are just doing it in a way that I personally don't understand or agreed with. Eventually through, we will all meet and embrace as we are again assimilated into The One.

Don't dwell on the fear. Fear is wasted energy. Refocus that energy on your advancement. This is an investment that will pay infinite returns.

Love and Light,

3D sunset

[The_Last_Man_50008]

well, the way i see it is, now that (as people say on this forum) the whole point of life is to die, reincarnate, die, reincarnate etc etc until we reach an advanced stage where we ascend, we are trapped in a never ending loop of pointless endeavour and existence (to a certain extent) which we cannot get out of.
Ive always believed that the whole point of life is to live and die and be remembered by those still alive in their hearts and memories. Now im not saying i dont believe in ascension but this whole reincarnation thing really bothers me and to be honest all i can say is, hell if im going through life again after i die.
Just my opinion

thanks,
Marcus

[Keith]

well, the way i see it is, now that (as people say on this forum) the whole point of life is to die, reincarnate, die, reincarnate etc etc until we reach an advanced stage where we ascend, we are trapped in a never ending loop of pointless endeavour and existence (to a certain extent) which we cannot get out of.
Ive always believed that the whole point of life is to live and die and be remembered by those still alive in their hearts and memories.

If one is just concerned about reincarnation i think it just makes life mechanical and fearful.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with your belief on life. The most important thing is to live a meaningful life as you see fit and not one dictated by others .


Now im not saying i dont believe in ascension but this whole reincarnation thing really bothers me
imho, perhaps you can just forgo the concept of reincarnation if it really makes you uncomfortable

to be honest all i can say is, hell if im going through life again after i die.
most likely you won't remember that you have lived before, so i guess it doesn't matter

[3D Sunset]

(as people say on this forum) the whole point of life is to die, reincarnate, die, reincarnate etc etc until we reach an advanced stage where we ascend...

Not sure who said that this is the whole point of life. This is like saying the whole point to your current life is to sleep, wake up, go to work, eat, then sleep again. Although it is true that life involves those steps, it is depressing to believe that is the whole point.

As I see it, the point is to live, experience, learn, review, and experience some more. Always striving to evolve toward the light.

3D Sunset

[The_Last_Man_50008]

is ascension really an achievement?

[The Wonderer]

I think people should just live there life as best as they can. That is why I believe we forget when we reincarnate. Who wants to know exactly what to do and live a flawless life. It would be boring and depressing. ''Oh no I messed up my karma.'' It is alright to make mistakes and learn from them. Since we don't remember, life becomes an adventure of mystery. Of finding ourselves and going through hardships and experiencing good times as well(love, sex, parenting, compassion, bonding, etc.). I'm sure the Creator doesn't want us to be perfect in this physical world, but just try to evolve ourselves. Kinda like this saying by Tim Duncan. ''Good, better, best, never let it rest, until your good is better, and your better is best.''

[Detlef]

thats annoying because id just rather have eternal non existence (after living my life) rather than immortality and since id be dead it wouldnt matter because i wouldnt feel anything


Sorry, but there is no non existence without existence, and vise-versa.
Since existence is merely the radiation of non existence.

Regards Detlef