Negative Greeting vs. Aspect of Shadow Self

[Art]

hey all,

here's a pretty tricky question that hopefully someone can provide some insight for me...

awhile back a member of the forum, soup (whom i hold in high regard - such intellect!) "taught" me a good lesson about our shadow selves. at first i misunderstood him and got all riled up, but with a little digging and further conversation, i was able to understand this concept and the need to integrate our shadow selves into our whole being. i used to think that we needed to purge/dominate these aspects to achieve perfection, when in fact, i realized that the more you fight and deny this part of yourself, the more difficult spiritual growth becomes... :rolleyes:

also awhile back dw introduced the concept of negative greetings and the "danger" (for lack of a better word) that can come from opening yourself to higher levels of awareness. this is not meant to create fear, only awareness that this can happen...

at any rate, in my current understanding, both the shadow self and negative greeting are "alien" to us. so, the question is then, when i have thoughts that are "outside my perceived consciousness", how can i tell if said thought is an aspect of my shadow self coming to light or whether i was experiencing a negative greeting?

i'm pretty much going to answer my question here in saying that as we continue to investigate our shadow selves and accept these aspects of ourselves in our efforts at wholeness, we begin to understand and merge... unfortunately, i have, at times, had a few thought-streams that i just don't think are from my shadow self...

again, the difficulty is that if the personality of the shadow self is repressed and we cannot readily "define" it, can i really pass things off as a negative greeting without considering the possibility that these thoughts/emotions were really from my shadow self?

:confused:

i'm probably overanalzing here, but any input is greatly appreciated!

art

[MindOverEverything]

my view on it is that if it is in your sphere of consciousness, then it corresponds with an aspect of yourself. going into higher levels of spiritual awakening necessitates cleaning up our shadow self, which can go pretty darn deep.

for example, recently i felt what seemed like an energetic "attack" but after doing an "energy refund" where any harmful, unloving projections from outside entities is sent back to the divine aspect of the being who sent it, i was still left with this massive "cloud" of dark energy.

it was made up of attitudes of despising earth humanity, the primitive society, the inhumanity, deceit, etc. basically, this part of my dark side was a huge cluster of emotions and attitudes of hating the dark side of humanity. of course, what we hate only intensifies to the point where we have to look at it, accept it and transmute that energy to love. so that's what i did. :)

i think that other people can and do project their judgments and negativity on to others, which is why i use the "energy refund" to make sure my field is clear from outside negatavity, and then in that space i work on embracing my own negativity.

love,
cameron

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

hi art,:) let's concider the occasion when an entity denies it's own free will for what ever reason, in this particular instance a negative greeting might derive from it's own shadow self which to me represents a karma "factory and warehouse". so there are instances when your shadow self creeps in the back door and delivers a negative greeting. every situation is different and has infinite points of views, this is just one of mine...................sylvain...................

[lala]

hi art!

i have noticed that the problem is not to have negative feelings or thoughts or situations…
the problem is how long do i stay around it!
sometimes we stay around it by the simple fact of trying to understand or solve it….

big hug

lala

[ds37ds]

quote: "it was made up of attitudes of despising earth humanity, the primitive society, the inhumanity, deceit etc. basically this part of my dark side was a huge cluster of emotions and attitudes of hating the dark side of humanity."

this is exactly how i feel at the moment. i hate hate hate this side of humanity. i hate those responsible for all the atrocities that are being inflicted on humanity. i can't find any unconditional love to offer. and when i even think of saying - thankyou for giving me this experience - i just want to puke!

unloving at the moment

ds

[conundrum]

some one or thing that infringes on your free will is considered a negative greeting probably in the form of temptation to do or know some thing you know in your heart is wrong an example would be wanting to know next weeks lotto numbers .

the ra material suggests that higher beings can guide but not give specifics in regards to spiritual or earthly matters you pretty much have to work it out for your self they merely filled in the gaps or expanded on the questioners conclusion they had already come to... ra
said to take there teachings with a grain of salt or a take it or leave it attitude.

a negative being would say this is the way it is don't argue with me this is a dictatorship not a democracy... do what i say not what i do dummy.
another way to look at it might be like and elder brother leading the younger one astray for his own amusement or self gain while the younger brother is left holding the bag so to speak.

then again what would i know i am in the dark like every body else :confused:

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

hi ds,:) remember in another thread you asked:
if i get a negative greeting and offer it unconditional love, wouldn't i be sending it off to attack someone else? this is what hate does, meaning you encourage the negative greeting and stenghthen it when you feed it hate. the idea is that when faced with unconditional love, the negative greeting first pauses, has a moment to think, i feel this is the key, and then it will always have this moment in the back of it's mind and it will think twice before attacking someone else,;) see what i mean?

the big thanks that we have the urge to express to a negative greeting is for the catalyst, and the thought that it has somehow sacraficed part of itself to deliver a growth experience. deep down there is a way of looking at negative greetings as blessings, it seems like some entities go out of their way to identify your karma and somehow mirror that back to you, this might be the workings of it's higher self leaving their conscious mind oblivious to the fact. of course in order for that entity to be successfull it probably has it's own karma related to the specific situations. somehow we feel that and the gracefull smile is like returning the favor, restoring balance and perhaps alleviate some of that karma. hope this helps ds and remember that greetings are there to help you, just like the planet is being shown it's own shadow self, so shall we. technically it's all good, even your hate which can't wait to be transduced into love :d .........................sylvain.................. ...

[FooSnik]

hey art! thanks for the thought provoking question.

this is how i worked it out in my own mind:

if you are attracting and receptive to these "thought streams" i would pay close attention to the message and try to figure out why i have attracted such a message, regardless of whether it was from my own mind or not. if it was a negative greeting then the negative entity was probably zeroing in on what it thought was a weakness of mine. so in a way it was just pointing out an area i should probably pay attention to. everything happens for a reason, you know?

guilt is a real monster in this world. i think it is the single largest fuel for these entities which deem themselves to be negative. they don't feel like they deserve to be loved or forgiven.

anyway, thanks for getting my mind to wonder off on that.

foo :)

[MindOverEverything]

this is exactly how i feel at the moment. i hate hate hate this side of humanity. i hate those responsible for all the atrocities that are being inflicted on humanity. i can't find any unconditional love to offer. and when i even think of saying - thankyou for giving me this experience - i just want to puke!

brother, i know *exactly* how you feel. this seems to be something that most people on earth who "remember" life on planets with love based societies goes through. maybe some of my own insights into this can help you.

first, the tyrants who think they are in control are actually completely enslaved by their limited consciousness. unable to feel any love, their materialistic perspective on the world is literally a prison for their minds. granted, their bodies are living in luxury, but they are in a mental prison far worse than anything most people can imagine.

second, the “normal” way of life that has been sold to the public is deteriorating. all one has to do is read the news to see this happening. however, there is a huge upside to this, because as “regular” people who used to be content with their day job, the mortgage, the boat, the big tv and all the other shiny toys of consumerism start to feel discontent, they begin to question, “isn’t there more to life? isn’t there a way to have a better world?”

so the worse things get, the more that humanity is put into the “pressure cooker” of adversity, the more people start waking up, and that ultimately is a good thing. it is painful at times, but all states of being are temporary.

third, as david has mentioned a lot the “low level” tyrants and their servants do not want to be part of the club any more, but they are stuck for the moment because to leave would mean being assassinated. when enough of them get to the point where they just leave and say “go ahead and kill me, but i won’t be your puppet any more” the whole structure will collapse like a house of cards. the few “tyrants” that are left will probably end up killing themselves or killing each other off, and i wouldn’t be surprised if some of their lackeys kill off a few of the higher ups, as well.

what will help get you past the anger is to remind yourself that the changes that are happening right now can’t be stopped. just hold the vision in your mind of the future of humanity where every single person on the planet emanates and operates from a state of love. it doesn’t matter that your ego can’t figure out how it’s going to happen. just hold the focus of the ultimate goal, because it is going to happen.

love,
cameron

[ds37ds]

hi everyone! after my great contribution to hate pollution yesterday morning, i spent the rest of the day reflecting on the events of the last few days and clearing up/out. today i feel fresh and even elated, with a fresh perspective and awareness.

in regards to my experience with the negative greeting, many of the points raised in the thread are relevant. firstly, i think i received the negative greeting beacause i had opened myself to a higher level of awareness without having a good idea of what this meant. the events that followed are in the "contact has begun "thread. i don't think the negativity was coming from within me as i definitely felt that i was being observed from a distance unless of course i had projected it outside myself. could this be a possibility?

i believe that the negative greeting provided the catalyst to make me aware of aspects of my shadow self which i thought i was aware of but perhaps i was to make certain that these are understood and integrated on a deeper level so that i can fully tune in to a higher frequency.

as for how i handled the negative greeting, i know full well that we don't deal with negativity by responding with negativity but i think i was supposed to strengthen it to get a better understanding. naivety is one of my inherent traits so i could well be naive in believing this the answer.

hi silvanus! thanks for your unconditional love and guidance in this adventure of mine. i imagine you knew where it was going from some point onwards and you did warn me, but i guess the hard way is the quickest and most efficient way to spiritual advancement.

love
ds

[ds37ds]

hi cameron. i'm actually a sister, but that's ok lol. i don't usually react in a hate hate hate way. it's usually cry cry cry. i've become particularly sensitive to these planetary vibrations lately. it really is a pressure cooker situation just ready to explode.

the old establishment is indeed crumbling day by day and it's about time too but seeing people suffering and their not understanding why is difficult for me. i'm glad that some of the tyrants are leaving the rat pack. as for the rest of the rats, i suppose they have their own isues to deal with.

i'm much more positive today and am focusing on sending out loving, healing energy.

love
ds

[Stimatix]

regaurding the "shadow self", that perception is like the belief upon the natives of hawaii. who believe that there are three aspects of consciousness, the higher the middle and the lower. the lower being in this instance the shadow self. inorder to recieve communication and love from the higher self one must still the lower self. so to answer your question. the negative messages and communications with the shadow self is the dwelling upon the illusions and false judgements upon the ego from that centre. negative beings can pick up on these vibrations and simply aid upon their own path of service to self. it is only when one realizes the true nature of being upon this darkness does he/she then grow to love even the darkness and sorrow around and even the negative beings that try to infringe upon the persons free will. because in reality that is the true reason for that negative being trying to infrige, to try teach you to love it regardless of its intensions, concluding that, that negative being was sent by our higherselves, for that being is undoubtly ourselves with the knowledge that all is one in this universe to infinity

love shall prevail

zoran