Handing the microcosm a coffee

[Karen Bisson]

{{{Jeremy}}}


Thank you for your kind and gentle response. This english language is
rather limiting in the effort it takes to express oneself and I admire
your ability to do it so well. It warms my heart when people take a gentle,
proactive stance such as you have done as it creates the kind of warmth,
non-destructive energy and receptivity needed for individuals to grow,
learn and understand each other without the need for unnecessary hardship.
That in itself is part of the message I was trying to get across. That
in itself proves there is no need for greater catalysts if we so CHOOSE.
And it is indeed a gift.


You brought up some very important issues which nicely address and expand
on the issues I raised. As for being concerned about our planet's survival,
I believe there is as much life in death than there is in being alive.
I agree that our individual progress is not entirely dependent upon the
state of humanity in general and that ascension is designed to open the
door for individual advancement. I think part of our journey involves coming
to that realization.


However, the group lesson is very much a part of our individual lessons
as well. To ignore that is to disregard a big portion of the "exam" and
risk being left behind in the old grade. That does not mean one is entirely
responsible for the outcome of the group... it does mean that one need
honour their place in it and do the best they can. Think of it like a class
project where the collective gets graded along with each individual. For
that truly is what this is all about. What we are experiencing here on
this planet is akin to nursery, elementary and junior high school and many
are up for graduation on each level.


In this I wonder if you may have missed the subtle point I was trying
to make about preparing for the best vs the worst.


I fully agree that "there is hidden truth in what on the surface looks
like mere cruelty and recklessness" and that "there is so much to learn
about our nature and that of the creator in the darkest pits." I understand
that catalysts for polarization are a necessary factor, at times. But only
at times of extreme density... or should I say "dunsity". I believe that
what we are here to learn is what it takes to actually control those catalysts
... to actually take charge of our future. To sit back and allow the catalysts
to do all the work for us is to show ourselves as sleepwalkers, in other
words, lemmings.... in other words, children who are not yet ready for
advancement to higher levels.


I do not believe in asking our brothers and sisters to step up to a
level that they are not prepared for. What you are referring to is akin
to asking a kindergarten student to take a college level exam. The Creator
is asking us all to prepare for advancement at our individual levels. No
one will be expected to do more than they are capable of. But what you
need to understand is that we are a part of the whole. Our brothers, the
sleepwalkers, reflect WHO WE ARE on another level of ourselves. As above,
so below. It is the same with our own selves... some parts are more developed
than others. When an illness makes itself apparent on the physical level,
it is indicative of something occurring on a spiritual level and visa versa.
Humanity, as a whole, is part of the macrocosm. Or, a different way of
looking at it would be that we, the individuals, are the microcosm within
the microcosm that is humanity. In this way, you are right that all paths
lead to Oneness. In this you can clearly it for you are very much a part
of it.


But where is the danger, you ask? Well, let's look at it this way...
the catalysts for learning tend to cause great destruction in order to
rebuild on the basis of what has been learned. In a sense, this is like
blowing up the building and starting over each time a few bricks have been
installed incorrectly. With this way of thinking and proceeding the building
will take an eternity to get finished and makes the effort futile for what
is the purpose in building a building unless one intends to utilize it?
There are immensely greater purposes for it all than we can possibly conceive
at this level.


So the actual question is how do we build the building in order to get
it right as we go along... or... better put... how do we build the building
in such a way as to allow for learning curbs without the complete destruction
of what we have already achieved?


I think maybe it's as simple as we are using the wrong building materials.
If we consider that we can speak using analogies and that they are reflective
of events occurring on other levels... consider this.... If, instead of
using bricks to build the building, we were to use a substance, such as
an organic one, which can replenish itself in any area we so choose...
in other words... it is a living thing that can fix those incorrectly placed
"bricks" as it grows... what do you think would happen? The question one
must ask themselves is, is this entity that we are a part of alive? Or
is it dead and immovable as in a stone? The answer is obvious to all but
those who have been sleeping through class.


You said:


<<The only urgency I sense is that of the

individual to learn as much about oneself in the

unique conditions of 3D as possible before the

ascension, not because it will never happen again but

to save time.>>


Save time to do what? Ask yourself, what is this urgency you are sensing?
If you are, and indeed you are, part of the structure... does this not
suggest that the structure is very much alive and that its very purpose
is to attain the path to oneness? Yes, of course. I did not miss your meaning
here. What I am suggesting is that in order to learn about oneself, one
need also look outside of themselves.


You also said:


<<I feel like, for the most part, I'm resigned to ascend

if that's my fate and stick around in 3D if that's my

fate. I rest easy in the knowledge that whatever is

in my best interests will be carried out, since the

universe is educational and the soul is eternal.

There is no danger, only growth.>>


I your words I see great love, respect and honour for the love, respect
and honour you too have received from the Creator. But in these words I
also see a soul who is still sleep-walking. That is truly no insult my
friend. But to "resign" oneself to anything is to slip back into the depths
of deep sleep.


<<Of course, if humanity in general could raise their

awareness to a higher level, many positive things

could occur on the planet, and the coming years would

not be so difficult. But Ra makes clear that the

difficulty ahead of us will serve to polarize many to

a state where they will be able to ascend. In

essence, the most difficult, painful experiences have

the most educational value. So why scheme to avoid

them? Since, from our viewpoint in 3D, everything is

going to happen the way it needs to anyway, why not

just concentrate on the basics personally, knowing

that this world is, more or less, just a drama that

has an end and a purpose?>>


You are quite right here. However, Ra also points out that we have all
the tools we need to affect the kind of change ourselves that these catalysts
will enforce upon us. You ask why the scheme to avoid them? Think carefully
about the answer. Do you think the Creator wants to spend eternity constantly
having to change our diapers?


In essence, the message I was trying to convey is that EVERYTHING that
you see before you is part of the lesson which will determine the level
to which you are ready to ascend. If we take no active part in the larger
picture... if we do not show the Creator that we have learned these lessons...
our individual microcosm within the microcosm will be doomed to repeat
them along with the microcosm within the microcosm, etc., etc. It is not
hard to rise up above it and be presented as a part of the whole that is
ready for greater levels of awareness. One need only wake up enough to
smell the coffee.


Love & light

Karen

[Jeremy Weiland]

Hey Karen,

The saga continues... :-)

>> I agree that our individual progress is not
>> entirely dependent upon the state of humanity in
>> general and that ascension is designed to open the
>> door for individual advancement. I think part of
>> our journey involves coming to that realization.
>> However, the group lesson is very much a part of
>> our individual lessons as well. To ignore that is
>> to disregard a big portion of the "exam" and
>> risk being left behind in the old grade. That does
>> not mean one is entirely responsible for the
>> outcome of the group... it does mean that one need
>> honour their place in it and do the best they can.

No argument there... I did not intend to refute your
"collectivist" stance and replace it with an
"individualist" point of view. Rather, I thought it
would be good to provide a little balance. Of course,
both concepts are neccessary. When one realizes that
the distinction between the self and the other self is
completely illusory, our two paths certainly become
one in a very real and practical way.

>> Think of it like a class project where the
>> collective gets graded along with each individual.
>> For that truly is what this is all about. What we
>> are experiencing here on this planet is akin to
>> nursery, elementary and junior high school and many
>> are up for graduation on each level.

Heh... I was always one of those people in group
projects who ended up doing most of the work. Maybe
that's why I lean towards individualism the way I do.
The group factor is neccessary to integrate, no doubt.
I guess it's all about the balance you strike. All
we can do is offer that quality of light that we have
been able to distill from the truth we know. No doubt
that more than one path exists.

>> In this I wonder if you may have missed the subtle
>> point I was trying to make about preparing for the
>> best vs the worst.

Maybe I did... maybe we're saying the same thing.

>> I fully agree that "there is hidden truth in what
>> on the surface looks like mere cruelty and
>> recklessness" and that "there is so much to learn
>> about our nature and that of the creator in the
>> darkest pits." I understand that catalysts for
>> polarization are a necessary factor, at times. But
>> only at times of extreme density... or should I
>> say "dunsity". I believe that what we are here to
>> learn is what it takes to actually control those
>> catalysts... to actually take charge of our future.

>> To sit back and allow the catalysts to do all the
>> work for us is to show ourselves as sleepwalkers,
>> in other words, lemmings.... in other words,
>> children who are not yet ready for advancement to
>> higher levels.

Well, we have a difference of opinion then.

<GASP!!> :-)

So then what is catalyst? It is a supposedly outside
agent acting upon what we consider ourselves. By my
definition, a catalyst is not simply an isolated,
extreme instances where significant development is
accepted or rejected. Rather, catalyst is constantly
occurring, continually giving us a choice to polarize
in one direction or the other. Our conversation is
catalyst. The hot drink I just spilled on myself is
catalyst. The slight breeze against my face is a
catalyst, albeit in an almost insignificant way. Not
only do we not live in a vaccuum, it would be
impossible to live in a vaccuum without ever being
influenced by what is "outside" of us. That influence
is catalyst.

Therefore, since there is no part of our experience
that is isolated, we never do *all* the work. We are
always being affected by things going on around us.
The fragmentation of the creator into separate
entities means that we can make a distinction between
us and them, within and without, but it doesn't mean
that we can just ignore the other parts indefinately.
The reason we are constantly affected by the outside
catalyst is because there is no outside and inside as
separate states. Because of the ultimate unity of
everything, the truth is that the catalyst and the
work we do in reponse to the catalyst *are actually
both part of the same action*. The distinction is
illusory. So who's really doing the work anyway?

Proof positive that the individual and collective
viewpoints are both neccessary.

>> I do not believe in asking our brothers and sisters

>> to step up to a level that they are not prepared
>> for. What you are referring to is akin to asking a
>> kindergarten student to take a college level exam.

Not only should you not ask someone to move to a level
they're not prepared for, you physically *couldn't*.
One of the most important principles that David has
made us aware of is the fact that ascension and
polarization are energetic phenomena that conform to
the laws of a unified physics. The degree to which a
person is polarized will have a vibratory effect that
will enable ascension to occur when the energy levels
are being ratcheted up.

>> But what you need to understand is that we are a
>> part of the whole. Our brothers, the sleepwalkers,
>> reflect WHO WE ARE on another level of ourselves.

Absolutely hands down no question about it. The key
is to accept our brothers, regardless of their
apparent state of development, as the self *while*
recognizing that, as 3D earth entities with limited
faculties, there is sometimes very little we can
*outwardly* do to affect a positive change in their
lives. This is not to say that subtler, more
multidimensional tools for intergrating and helping
otherselves are not available to us. Rather, I'm
simply suggesting that much of the lesson of the
physical world seems to emphasize the separation as
one of the chief catalysts of growth. Ra says that we
will be able to much more easily and fully integrate
with one another in 4D. I'm not saying there's
nothing you can do to make the world better, just that
things are the way they are for a good reason, and
it's a big burden to carry when you give yourself the
task of changing the world yourself.

>> But where is the danger, you ask? Well, let's look
>> at it this way... the catalysts for learning tend
>> to cause great destruction in order to rebuild on
>> the basis of what has been learned. In a sense,
>> this is like blowing up the building and starting
>> over each time a few bricks have been installed
>> incorrectly. With this way of thinking and
>> proceeding the building will take an eternity to
>> get finished and makes the effort futile for what
>> is the purpose in building a building unless one
>> intends to utilize it? There are immensely greater
>> purposes for it all than we can possibly conceive
>> at this level.

Yes, but we can't be expected to act in accordance
with an understanding greater than the level at which
we are. There may be good reasons to polarize ASAP,
but if I can't understand them, why should I be
motivated by them?

My belief is that we have as much time as we need to
evolve, because all is accepted. I can't speak for
anybody else, but at my level of understanding, the
highest order I can see in existence is the desire for
the Creator to know itself through a perpetual game of
"hide and seek". Given that, I don't believe there
*is* any other purpose for the building, to use your
metaphor. The construction of the building *is* it's
purpose. The utility of the building is in its
ability to facilitate self discovery and growth. Like
Goethe said, "The purpose of life is to find out what
the purpose of life is."

>> So the actual question is how do we build the
>> building in order to get it right as we go along...

>> or... better put... how do we build the building
>> in such a way as to allow for learning curbs
>> without the complete destruction of what we have
>> already achieved? I think maybe it's as simple as
>> we are using the wrong building materials.

Whatever the best way to build it is, remember that
(using this analogy) the building (unity), in reality,
already exists. The value of building it comes not
from the end product but from the experience of
building.

>> If, instead of using bricks to build the building,
>> we were to use a substance, such as an organic one,

>> which can replenish itself in any area we so
>> choose... in other words... it is a living thing
>> that can fix those incorrectly placed "bricks" as
>> it grows... what do you think would happen? The
>> question one must ask themselves is, is this entity

>> that we are a part of alive? Or is it dead and
>> immovable as in a stone? The answer is obvious to
>> all but those who have been sleeping through class.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here... please
clarify. Maybe the analogy outlived it's usefulness.

>> You said:
>>>> The only urgency I sense is that of the
>>>> individual to learn as much about oneself in the
>>>> unique conditions of 3D as possible before the
>>>> ascension, not because it will never happen again

>>>> but to save time.
>> Save time to do what? Ask yourself, what is this
>> urgency you are sensing?

I'm not saying that sense of urgency is absolute or
valid, I'm simply saying I can identify with it.
Ultimately, we have all the time in the universe to
poke around in 3D.

>> If you are, and indeed you are, part of the
>> structure... does this not suggest that the
>> structure is very much alive and that its very
>> purpose is to attain the path to oneness? Yes, of
>> course. I did not miss your meaning here. What I am

>> suggesting is that in order to learn about oneself,

>> one need also look outside of themselves.

I agree with that. But learning about yourself is not
the same as expecting the world to change because of
it. That is what I was responding to: the idea that
our work here on Earth is primarily to uplift
humanity. I think our primary work is to learn about
ourselves. The outward, physical state of humanity is
insignficant compared to the immense cycle of
evolution of which 3D existence is merely one part.
In that sense, making the world a better place, while
a nice idea, is not the ultimate goal. Not that it's
wrong to try to make the world a better place; I
believe that learning about the self and acting on
that knowledge does make the world a better place.
But that is a side-effect, not the prime purpose, see?

>>>> I feel like, for the most part, I'm resigned to
>>>> ascend if that's my fate and stick around in 3D
>>>> if that's my fate. I rest easy in the knowledge
>>>> that whatever is in my best interests will be
>>>> carried out, since the universe is educational
>>>> and the soul is eternal. There is no danger, only

>>>> growth.
>> I your words I see great love, respect and honour
>> for the love, respect and honour you too have
>> received from the Creator. But in these words I
>> also see a soul who is still sleep-walking. That is

>> truly no insult my friend. But to "resign" oneself
>> to anything is to slip back into the depths of deep

>> sleep.

I'm not insulted in the least. I can completely
accept that you follow a different path than mine and
bless you on yours. If we differ, not a problem for
me; it would just be nice if we understood one
another. Very likely our two paths need integration,
anyway.

>> However, Ra also points out that we have all
>> the tools we need to affect the kind of change
>> ourselves that these catalysts will enforce upon
>> us.

Of course, we have everything we need to create a
paradise on earth *right now*. I don't doubt that for
a minute. All I'm saying is that, if that's your
goal, you putting an awful burden upon yourself that
is not only unneccessary, but does not reflect the
true unity of purpose in the 3D experience *as I
understand it*.

>> You ask, why the scheme to avoid them? Think
>> carefully about the answer. Do you think the
>> Creator wants to spend eternity constantly having
>> to change our diapers?

I think the Creator is much more patient than you and
I are. Also, since the Creator in unity exists
outside time, there is no need to be patient anyway.

>> In essence, the message I was trying to convey is
>> that EVERYTHING that you see before you is part of
>> the lesson which will determine the level to which
>> you are ready to ascend.

Yup.

>> If we take no active part
>> in the larger picture... if we do not show the
>> Creator that we have learned these lessons... our
>> individual microcosm within the microcosm will be
>> doomed to repeat them along with the microcosm
>> within the microcosm, etc., etc.

I don't consider that a doom, though, but rather just
the wishes and experience of one part of the Creator.
Nor do I think we have anything to prove to the
Creator; David has always said that *we* will be the
arbiters of our ascension capability or lack thereof.
This is not about proving anything, it's about growth.

>> It is not hard to
>> rise up above it and be presented as a part of the
>> whole that is ready for greater levels of
>> awareness. One need only wake up enough to smell
>> the coffee.

In that case, I'll go to the kitchen and get another
cup. :-) Only thing I have to say to that is that, if
it isn't hard, why aren't more of us there yet? Also,
if it weren't hard, would the experience be worth it
in the first place?

This is getting interesting. Thanks for giving me a
person to bounce my Ra off of. :-) We may yet
reconcile our understandings.

Take care,

Jeremy

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