I think I get it more now....

[mellisamouse]

if we are all one, and all a part of god, then of course not only does god love us, and want what's best for us, but he wants us to love each other for the most logical reason.....

when we are unloving to others, we lose a part of ourselves.....we also then have lost a part of god (not permanently, but from positive, love, joy, feeling good etc, to not feeling so hot or so whole) so, god wants us to be happy and be whole again, and then god is more whole again...

that is why he does not want any to be lost, but all to be saved and happy and atain the truth and become whole again.....

also this makes logical sense that if one hurts we all hurt, because we are all a part of god and each other, so please....if we hurt others we only hurt ourselves.....please love yourself, but also you are really showing love to yourself the more you show love and honor to others...

i have been trying to think of a logical way to explain this my whole life...i hope this makes some sense, lol. :)

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

hi mellisa, i agree wholeheartedly. of course in this context "god" means the same as oneness, infinite creation, inteligent infinity, ect.:) ......sylvain..................

[mellisamouse]

yes, god= us, the universe, creation, creator, e=mc2, etc, etc, etc....this principle i have been trying to explain to some people for so long...the ones who allways complain that they are never happy, or allways depressed, because they allways hurt others, because they say they have been hurt, but in turn hurt themselves by doing this, and the cylce goes on etc......i think this may be a way they can understand, to help them stop hurting themselves through hurting others???

[FooSnik]

awesome mellisamouse! this is true. someone else here uses this signature that i really like:


the love you withhold is the pain you feel.

i think that quote fits what you are saying quite well.

one thing that i get hung up on though is this: can god/perfection/unity even exist without there being duality and imperfection out there to compare it too? like, if the whole world was white, with no contrast or shading, there wouldn't be anything at all. there would be no beautiful colors or rainbows without the separation of the colors.

see what i mean? kinda makes a thinking man like myself want to throw my hands in the air and say, "to hell with it." no pun intended. :)

foo

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

one thing that i get hung up on though is this: can god/perfection/unity even exist without there being duality and imperfection out there to compare it too.

hi foo, a wise entety once said:
"the understanding of dualism and its purpose is the only prerequisite of a graduation to a higher level of consciousness and to a higher form of life.
the one without a support of another will blind the truth."
balance can only be attained by first facing, accepting and understanding duality. this in turn brings forth the "now" preparing us for a leap in cardinal points or quanta.....................sylvain................ .............

[PriestOfLight]

i have been pondering this also and though we are all god, we are part of god and each part has it's own "personality" so to speak. this is what makes us different and whole at the same time.

[FooSnik]

hi foo, a wise entety once said:
"the understanding of dualism and its purpose is the only prerequisite of a graduation to a higher level of consciousness and to a higher form of life.
the one without a support of another will blind the truth."
balance can only be attained by first facing, accepting and understanding duality. this in turn brings forth the "now" preparing us for a leap in cardinal points or quanta.....................sylvain................ .............

ok, that is very interesting. i like that quote. i do understand and accept the paradox that both the ying and the yang are separate but also one. there can be no heaven without entities who are seeking it. or my higher half cannot experience heaven without my material half experiencing the seeking of it.

which is why i think i am coming full circle to where the buddha or dali lama says, "just be." the duality is here so we can experience rainbows and all the beauty that comes from variety. which is the spice of life. so i think i will just enjoy it.

thanks a lot, silvanus, for your words of wisdom.

foo :)

[Figgs]

the logic of one. here goes mine:

the universe = everything
you = a part of the universe/everything

no matter how,
you = the universe doing something to itself
therefore,
you = the universe consciously experiencing itself

the universe = eternal
energy can neither be creator or destroyed
it takes energy to create causes and effects
you = eternal
you = the universe
god = the universe
god = you

agreeable?

[FooSnik]

the logic of one. here goes mine:

the universe = everything
you = a part of the universe/everything

no matter how,
you = the universe doing something to itself
therefore,
you = the universe consciously experiencing itself

the universe = eternal
energy can neither be creator or destroyed
it takes energy to create causes and effects
you = eternal
you = the universe
god = the universe
god = you

agreeable?

like benoit mandelbrot's fractals. if you look at any tiny little minute part of this picture it will be an identical replica of the whole. then if you take any minute portion of that tiny portion it will also be an identical replica of the whole. like infinity.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/foosnik/fractals.gif

such is a soul a miniature replica of the whole.

[urakei]

i like to call god as creator. for me god is something that we worship/adore/idolize/love somekind of entity that our thought focus on. with ra's explanation on infinite, when there is infinite, there will be no many. and the creator creates everything. it decides to become the "many" imho. which is us and all it's creations is the many.

but then again, when problem/catalyst/test/tragedy came in my life experience, i tend to seek for help. the best way of seeking for help for me at that kind of situation is to seek for god's help. it kinda awkward to ask for the creator's help. probably it's because cultural/religion/beliefs/dogmatic effects i guess. whatever it is i felt like it worked for me. but i like to break that dogmatic view. ;)

sometimes i ponder to myself, if i am god what would i do to my creation? would i intervene to help my creation? or would i just ignore them and let it happen? or would i give them some hints? or maybe i myself will not understand how my creation works? think of it like we are the mind of our body. the cells and organ is our (kinda) creation. how do we communicate with it effectively? we have to understand how they communicate in order to help right? i don't think our cells and organs would be able to learn english. we have to learn their language.

we know that our creator gave us free will. which creator gives that decision is also a mystery. it might be the infinite, it might be the logos or our major galaxy. but what i know is if free will is given, we as the "created" that is aware of its beingness are able to decides ourselves what to do. just like the creator decides to gives free will to us. with this in mind, i believe there is no "must do this" or "must do that". there is always a choice. and whatever the choice is does not matter whether it is in favor of the creator or not (i.e to love or to not love). it's still experiences in the "eye" of the creator.

the creator loves all. cuz without it we will not be here. there will be no focus of energy to maintain the creation.. :d

regarding the dualism, i like to share my understanding. there is no 100% negative and there is no 100% positive. no '1' and no '0'. but there is 99.9999% or 0.000001%. i like the gradients idea. where in white, there is some black, and in black there should be some white. there's no total black or white. but then again it's easier to stick with the dualism for easier explanation :d

peace

[mellisamouse]

foo!

i love the "just be"..... i think i am finally learning to "just be" and "go with the flow" more again, and it friggin rocks! i have been analising less and less of my thoughts and actions, and more just going along as a happy observer watching a show..... sooooo many things in a movie can be funny, or seem "not so bad" when we are just watcing it, so that is what i've been doing more "just being" :)

as for my origional post, i think that when we let ourselves "just be", then we can allow others to "just be" as well, and this is good for us and them..... and a major point of my origional post was also that not matter what we think about ourselves or someone else, we are all loved no matter what, because we are all connected to, and a part of that origional creative spark called love,god, energy, the great artist, the creator, etc, etc, etc. :)

[Kort]

i apologize if i am putting something out that someone has already stated. i truly feel we must get past dualism. it is a useful tool, but that is all that it is, a tool. once we understand dualism and see "oppisites," we have an oppurtunity to see that there is no duality in the first place. in other words it is all the same, just different aspects of the same mountain, so to speak. it is much like perspectivism. two people see the mountain, but they see it differently due to their different positions. i got to thinking about this when exploring human nature. i realized that we need to get past whether or not man/woman is inherently good or evil b/c we have both attributes within our potentiality. thanks for reading/listening. this is my first post.:o

peace,

kort

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

i apologize if i am putting something out that someone has already stated. i truly feel we must get past dualism. it is a useful tool, but that is all that it is, a tool. once we understand dualism and see "oppisites," we have an oppurtunity to see that there is no duality in the first place. in other words it is all the same, just different aspects of the same mountain, so to speak. it is much like perspectivism. two people see the mountain, but they see it differently due to their different positions. i got to thinking about this when exploring human nature. i realized that we need to get past whether or not man/woman is inherently good or evil b/c we have both attributes within our potentiality. thanks for reading/listening. this is my first post.:o

hi kort, welcome! :)

seperateness and oneness may be the very last time we will need to deal with dualism as we enter the last density where we merge together into one. so dualism or duality is something we inherently embrace as one of the very first original thoughts and also one of the very last completing thoughts. seperateness represents the self, seeking into infinity exploring new discoveries. on the other hand oneness represents the higher-self's realisation of the source and it's orchestrated plan for unity.

so duality is not meant to keep us seperate but mearly supports the existance of oneness therefore gives us a chance to make a choice, which makes good use of catalyst (growth experience). i feel that this is the whole point.

also duality, along with all catalyst, has both an appearance and a purpose supporting it's own existance...............sylvain................... ....

[FooSnik]

foo!

i love the "just be"..... i think i am finally learning to "just be" and "go with the flow" more again, and it friggin rocks! i have been analising less and less of my thoughts and actions, and more just going along as a happy observer watching a show..... sooooo many things in a movie can be funny, or seem "not so bad" when we are just watcing it, so that is what i've been doing more "just being" :)

as for my origional post, i think that when we let ourselves "just be", then we can allow others to "just be" as well, and this is good for us and them..... and a major point of my origional post was also that not matter what we think about ourselves or someone else, we are all loved no matter what, because we are all connected to, and a part of that origional creative spark called love,god, energy, the great artist, the creator, etc, etc, etc. :)

absolutely. funny how after all the analyzing and theorizing about god and the purpose of everything i finally, and thankfully, have arrived at a wonderfully peaceful conclusion: just be! things are the way they are for a very good reason so i am going to stop picking it apart so much and start enjoying it more.

yes mam, i agree with you whole heartedly.

[Adam of All]

the logic of one. here goes mine:

the universe = everything
you = a part of the universe/everything

no matter how,
you = the universe doing something to itself
therefore,
you = the universe consciously experiencing itself

the universe = eternal
energy can neither be creator or destroyed
it takes energy to create causes and effects
you = eternal
you = the universe
god = the universe
god = you

agreeable?

i've seen it exactly this way for some time now. good analysis

[Malletzky]

i apologize if i am putting something out that someone has already stated. i truly feel we must get past dualism. it is a useful tool, but that is all that it is, a tool. once we understand dualism and see "oppisites," we have an oppurtunity to see that there is no duality in the first place. in other words it is all the same, just different aspects of the same mountain, so to speak. it is much like perspectivism. two people see the mountain, but they see it differently due to their different positions. i got to thinking about this when exploring human nature. i realized that we need to get past whether or not man/woman is inherently good or evil b/c we have both attributes within our potentiality. thanks for reading/listening. this is my first post.:o

peace,

kort

hello kort,

i fully agree with you about getting past dualism. i just feel the same.

as in all parts of our life, there is allways the duality. we humans have to deal with it, if we like it or not! we know of:

day-night
life-death
light-dark
rich-poor
pro channeled material-vs. channeled material
my truth-your thruth

just to mention a few of many !

there is allways the discussion of "you being wrong, as my (or any other) thruth is the real one"! sure, there are a lot of realy useful and precious informations here.

but let us not judge about what is useful / precious or not.

why don't we humans (are we all humans ???) just stopp with this ???
many of you will agrree, that we're here on this planet right now (and have been here maybe in some other lives before), to learn what duality is.

to learn that your thruth should be my thruth as well !!!!!!

to learn to respect the opinion of the other !!!

to respect each other, as we should respect ourselves !!!

to finaly stopp fighting against each other, but work together to find a solluton for a better tomorrow !!!

to recognise that if i accept you the way you are, i have accepted all that is !!!

to recognise that the only way to enlightenment and ascencion is to reunite both parts of duality !!!

to love each other, as we should love ourselves !!!

i should go on and on now, but to make the long story short:

don't matter what you think to be true, you're right. it is true !!!

when you know it, you'll feel it.

and when you feel it, i will feel it too !!!!

and it will become my truth too !!!

as we're all connected, whether we like it or not.

i will see you all, when we'll not be here any more :):d

love you all!!

[theeemiester]

i feel as though people unknowingly can be signs for other people like god can manipulate a random stranger to wave at you for no reason in a moment when you are thinking in your head "god are you really real?". however it could be that the stranger was waving at someone else and i just assumed that it was for me. i'm starting to wonder if maybe the "god" i was communicating with was my own higher self, and perhaps we all share one higher self. maybe our subconscious is not simply the culmination of all life's experience stored in the brain; maybe we all share one subconscious sort of like a psychic network/internet type deal. like the collective consciousness of the universe theory.

it's like if time and space are infinite then every idea that could be thought up, has been thought, is being thought somewhere else, and will be thought again. facts exist weather or not we "know" the facts. 2 + 2 will always equal 4. it's just a matter of our brains ability to realize it over the course of our lifetime.

maybe "star wars" actually exist in a parallel universe and everything happened the exactly the way it did in the movies, and hon solo actually looks identical to harrison ford... lol if it hasn't happened already then it's just a matter of time right?
:d