transition to 4d: 30 vs 100-700 years

[Keith]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed before so do forgive me if it has been resolved.

I have always wondered about the apparant discripencies between the 2 sections in the LoO books in the big difference in time prediction in the transition to 4d.

In short, the conclusion I came up with is that at around 2011-2012, the Earth becomes a fully 4D planet and the harvest begins. However, the human race will not be wiped out at once but will take 100-700 to die out completely(sorry for the crude phrasing). After which, this planet will be fully inhabited by 4d entities.

Here's my analysis:
I wondered that in source 1, Ra might be implying that Earth will become 4d, but 3d entities still exists. But in source 2, Ra interpretated the "time of transition on this planet" as the complete transition of inhabitants on Earth from 3d to 4d.

Source 1:
QUESTIONER: What is the position of this planet with respect to the progression of cycles at this time?

RA: I am Ra. This sphere is at this time in fourth-dimension vibration. Its material is quite confused due to the society memory complexes embedded in its consciousness. It has not made an easy transition to the vibrations which beckon. Therefore, it will be fetched with some inconvenience.

QUESTIONER: Is this inconvenience imminent within a few years?

RA: I am Ra. This inconvenience, or disharmonious vibratory complex, has begun several of your years in your past. It shall continue unabated for a period of approximately thirty of your years.

QUESTIONER: After this period of thirty years I am assuming that this will be a fourth-density planet. Is this correct?

RA: I am Ra. This is so.

Source 2:
Book: 2 Session: 40

QUESTIONER: Then what will be the time of transition on this planet from third to fourth-density?

RA: I am Ra. This is difficult to estimate due to the uncharacteristic anomalies of this transition. There are at this space/time nexus beings incarnate which have begun fourth-density work. However, the third-density climate of planetary consciousness is retarding the process. At this particular nexus the possibility/probability vortices indicate somewhere between 100 and 700 of your years as transition period. This cannot be accurate due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time.

Ra's acknowledgement of the harvest time in the quote below:
Book: 1 Session: 17

QUESTIONER: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2,011, or will it be spread out?

RA: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.


Keith

[daresh]

This is something which comes back from time to time.
David wrote an nice piece on it: http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=332&Itemid=30

greets,
FIlip

[Firewalker]

David wrote a whole few pages on the last forum about that argument about a year ago.

This post has showed me my own ways in which I distort information inside me. I had previously thought that this (see below), was a good enough quote, but in fact it isn't:

QUESTION: As this transition continues into 4th density activation, in order to inhabit this 4th density earth it will be necessary for all 3rd density physical bodies to go through the process which we refer to as death. Is this correct? (B3, 92)

RA: This is correct.

Doesn't actually tell us anything.

Well, good luck.

[Keith]

Thanks for the link.

I think this shows the variety of opinions that people can have on even a seemingly simple issue, which is very revealing to me.

I agree that we do distort information sometimes in order to fit what we want to believe. However, I think it might also be a way for Ra to preserve our free will, to ensure that we are not "forced" to accept things that we are not ready for.

Keith

[soup]

The nature of time prediction may relate somehow to market cycles - that anticipating the supply and demand influenced market prices becomes easier the closer one is to the future date.

It may be that part of some transistion involves how people trade via monetary exchange - that the people who really thrive in such circumstance have a more flexible "value scale" which regenerates as quickly as the markets move - that a more rigid "value scale" may cause a greater sense of
inconvenience" than the flexible approach affords.

As I may have mentioned elsewhere, my impression is that "spiritual services" may likely become a more valuable commodity, timewise - that people's "value scale" may become "tweaked" to breaking points where they better recognise services congruent to what seems important to them, i.e. spiritual development of some sort or another. As baby steps in this regard, possibly people could seek so, i.e. to better realize such possibility.


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[Magical_Mongoose]

The nature of time prediction may relate somehow to market cycles - that anticipating the supply and demand influenced market prices becomes easier the closer one is to the future date.
Whoa. I know what you mean by this but I was inspired by your words to think of something different:
What if the 4D transition, by its nature, is something outside of "time"? Anticipating when things will happen is difficult because you can only do so from your perspective within time. So we're creatures of time. So say for instance, hypothetically, we were all in a black hole, we would all perceive things as normal. But we'd actually be going much slower than the rest of the Universe.
That's kind of analogous to the difference in 3D to 4D. You'd only break out of the "Black Hole"/linear time/3D/the Platonic Cave once you could conceive of the outside world. So the transition would have to do more with people believing, conceiving and realizing 4D within themselves, or getting closer to the "future date". This could ironically require one to cast aside linear conceptions and beliefs of time through inspirational experience.
But because of the degrees of freedom, awareness and love we excercise, the realization of 4D isn't set in stone. But when the time is right, I'm pretty sure it will directly coincide with synchronistic magnetic shifts within the Earth that will truly transform our reality.
Also, what if there were fluctuations in time itself? Say for instance, you were on the seas of time riding a little raft with paradise island in sight. You know you won't miss it; the island is huge. But the waves are going up and down. You try to navigate them as best as you can but nobody is perfect; sometimes you hit the crests perfectly and accelerate, other times you slam into them and are slowed down.
You look at your watch and think you'll be there in two hours. So you paddle along, getting more excited as the wafts of fragrant flowers entices your heart to paddle harder. Suddenly, a massive wave comes up from behind you and throws you off your raft, sending you cascading into the dark waters.
But when you emerge from the foam, you find yourself laying on the beach. You look down at your wrist, but your watch was thrown off by that massive wave. You shrug it off and begin the first steps of your journey, when suddenly watch is delivered to your feet as it's washed up by a breaking wave.
You bend down and pick it up; it looks like you got here fourteen minutes earlier. You laugh and with your hardest throw, you send it back into the seas of time.
But what you didn't notice was the pellican catching it in mid-air.

[soup]

It seems that many people "trade money for time" and that associations of their balance sheets to their "constructed identity" may at some point no longer serve them well - that it becomes more valuable to drop such constructs and become some new identity by whatever means, kind of like shedding the outworn skin - they wash up onto paradise beach.

In any case, I consider the metaphor of "the watch" to the idea of "trading money for time" and that somehow such related sense of linear time being all ways equitable may be distorted somehow. Possibly, our pay rates for such trades should be highly nonlinear congruent to some high order differential equation that very few of us may understand.


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[Metamike]

RA and many other sources of information about ascension are very specific about the fact that time is different for each density of awareness. It is actually a very 3D level of thinking that makes us worry about the entire issue. It will happen as it happens and we will experience it without frustration, expectations or whatever because it will be so totally different from what we know from 3d that I am sure that those that go from 3 to 4D will be totally amazed, no matter how the process becomes completed.

I have also understood that the process will be happening in waves. Those that have their personal physical vibrations at a high level will be able to go back and forth - perhaps while sleeping. Others will be lifted off before the worst of the natural earth changing events take place. We are also advised not even to think about those left behind in the chaos because that could lower vibrations, create fear and suck your own energies down.

Things are really happening now as the earth vibrates at an even higher rate, more and more ufos will be visible to us in 3D. This is happening NOW!
I don't think we will have to wait even until 2011. The powers that be are surely aware of the plans to Nuke Iran. I understand that they will not allow that to happen. That means we are in for some supreme changes.
Metamike

[soup]

This issue of time may relate to concepts of accountability, traceability, and "the veil." It may be that with growing computer capability, there comes better ability to trace clock time and exactly what people do within that clock time.

Directly related to this seems the skipped step - the history of the dollar that pays for so many services rendered. How many dollars were born in 1808 that are still around today circulating? Probably way less than were born in 2008, but why - isn't the lifetime of a dollar limited and isn't the birth rate of a dollar regulated?

Certainly I can imagine physical paper dollars wearing out and somehow becoming regenerated by some accountable system, but maybe not. Its easy for me to imagine cyber dollars as having virtually infinite lifetime because there seems little paper to wear out, though the repercussion of an infinite lifetime and unlimited birth control seems somewhat inflationary.

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[soup]

I wonder if the "untraceable dollar bill" is somehow analogous to a veiled 3d lifeform, and likewise if a "traceable dollar bill" would be analogous to a unveiled 4d lifeform.

That is, with computers, it may be possible to trace the life path of every dollar bill and as such - better decide if one is willing to trade with it, as if with a higher degree of conscious awareness.

My impression is that there seem many dollar bills that have flowed from toxic sources which would be undesireable to trade with by one who strives to live in some more conscientious way.

In other words, a lot of the economic trouble in the world may stem from the primitive nature of the "untraceable dollar bill."


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