Upcoming 4G harvest...will I be able to keep my guitars?

[Olam]

OK, the title is a bit superficial but I think it will nicely lead me to nome deep questions....

Now after reading the Ra chronicles...not all of it yet!, I can't keep up even if I have the will!...Ill get thru it sometime though....
So, I read that things will be different density wise and that the 3d body will either "die" or go thru somekind of transformation.

I wonder if some "marerial" will follow us and if also some of our 3D life pleasures will also...
I have gone thru a very tough time in 5 years, that has positivly rendered me more spiritual and has sparked my awakening.I am also no more materialistic, which is a great thing, but there are some things material that I still cherish very much.
Playing guitar for me has always been a very important part of my life, it has helped me thru the toughest of times, I play everyday, have always played.
I consider my guitars like children!....they do have a soul and personality and I treat and respect them as such. They uplift my soul and contribute to my well being. Afterall they are pieces of wood and I respect the life it gave up in order for me to "play" them and make music which plays a big part in humanity I think.
So if and when I do cross over to 4G, I would be seriously bummed out to see that I can no longer play them!....also, that would mean that all the hard work that I have done to perfect my playing would be scrapped.....and I happen to think that this is not the only life where I played instruments.
Now this might seem superficial but it does lead me to other considerations for the upcoming harvest.
What about all of our 3D pleasures, I read that we are very lucky to be in the 3D as we get to enjoy life in a special way...the smell of flowers, the great foods we eat(OK maybe that liquid golden sludge we are supposed to eat in 4D will suffice), but Ill sure miss some great pasta or anything you love to eat in fact!...
Will love making be considered just something to be patient with so that we can come back to our main purpose which I think would be compassion and love.....
I absolutly love food and dream of opening a great restaurant, not your usual restaurant....I got the idea in Rome......so if I do follow thru this project, do I only have 4 years to enjoy it?
Do you all see where im getting at?......In that case, if all we have now will be irelevant, and I do respect that if its the case,we will have something greater than these 3D pleasures. But then, Ill sure be having one heck of a hedonistic year somewhere around 2011:D

If that is the case, Jimmy Page sure picked his lifetime well!, he had time to play his heart out before the harvest!!!!

Now what got me thinking about all this is that, right now Im very poor, poorer than poor, Im talking moneywise...but I have a good collection of great vintage guitars, they are all my children and I would never have the heart to sell them as they have brought me so much joy over the years. If all of this will be irreleveant in 4 years, I might look at things differently and sell some of them to at least have a bit of money to survive in this capitalist society where you need to pay for food!

Please don't get me wrong, I don't want to be materialistic even if in the end,guitars are material! But to me, they bring me so much essential joy and soothing to my soul, so I don't consider that material.
Overall, my questioning is more than just guitars, Im trying to find a balance of my immediate needs and prepare for the futur.
David mentions that if you are 51% geared towards helping others and giving out to others, you will be fine, well I happen to think that playing beautiful music to others is giving out and soothing them as myself....
Has anyone come across some answers to these questions via the Ra group conciousness papers?...I did check and search, but there is so much to read, I would apreciate anyone contributing to this thread with any answers or comments that could help me and others understand these questions!
David, what do you think?...I know you play drums quite well and love to play, would you be dissapointed if yoy could not play anymore in 4D;)
Cheers

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[mellisamouse]

Keep the guitars....I don't know the answers for sure, but for me, the next step will be basically the same world as this physically, minus the negativity, so room for creativity instead.....JMHO! ;)

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

Well Olam, I think we carry the "blueprints" of what ever moves our hearts with us as we journey through Infinity. Just like playing your "blueprinted" guitar in your dreams, you will play it for as long as you please. Also the wisdom and understanding gained from participating in any projects that resonate with you in 3D will most likely extend into 4D as far as teach/learn growth experiences goes, so I say, Enjoy!!:) ......................Sylvain..................... .

[johnasmodeus]

I remember reading somewhere that matter can be "shaped" or even brought into being at will in 4D, which would mean that not only would you have your guitars, you wouldn't need to find a place to keep them! You could simply materialize and dematerialize them at will.

But something tells me that there are cooler instruments than guitars waiting to be played in 4D. Perhaps we will be able to strum the very ethers themselves...

[Val Zee]

It would be very difficult to envision any dimension in which there would not be music. If this is so then there would also be those that create the music and the instruments of music must exist. As a fellow musician I would hope that we might get together with others in 4D and "jam" as we have done here in 3D. It creates such a wonderful experience of harmony and joy and lifts the spirit into realms of happiness and satisfaction as nothing else I know. To have an existence without music is unthinkable for me and I believe anyone who has ever experienced that joy and release that music provides whether listening, singing or playing would agree.
Music provides a means of communication that is more than just "words and music". It speaks from the soul of one to the souls of others and can break down barriers of all kinds. It has endured for all time and I strongly believe that it will endure beyond time.
I've been involved with "making music" since I was a young child and was fascinated with any musical instrument that was in any room that I walked into. I learned the piano at an early age and have continued with keyboard instruments all my life. I was trained in classical but later found great pleasure in "Folk" and "Country" even playing and singing in a Country Band for several years. Those years held some of the happiest times of my life as I learned to share the joy of music with others. Then I turned to writing music and songs which again has been a great source of satisfaction. Have had a couple of songs published and recorded though that is not the reason that I write. I write for the joy and satisfaction it gives me.
I'd say stay with the music, Olam for the joy it gives you and perhaps we may meet up in 4D and have a chance to "jam". Who knows what kind of instruments will be developed for us to play...probably something that we could not even imagine with the most pure and unimaginable tone qualities. Sure hope my new Light body will have a new voice for singing too. LOL. Counting on that!

[Wellerite]

Hey Olam,

I've been thinking about the same thing, playing the guitar has taught me how to get into the moment. There is nothing better for me than to just pluck those strings with my fingers, pure harmony.

But in the event of not having your guitar you always have a great instrument to utilise, your vocal chords. ooooommmmmmmmmmm!

[meganarline]

Olam,

Just a hunch, but I have a feeling that we will all be able to make unbelievable music, participate in exquisite love making, and eat the most delectable pizza in our 4d experience. Should we so chose.

In fact I'm counting on it!

Megan

[Olam]

It would be very difficult to envision any dimension in which there would not be music. If this is so then there would also be those that create the music and the instruments of music must exist. As a fellow musician I would hope that we might get together with others in 4D and "jam" as we have done here in 3D. It creates such a wonderful experience of harmony and joy and lifts the spirit into realms of happiness and satisfaction as nothing else I know. To have an existence without music is unthinkable for me and I believe anyone who has ever experienced that joy and release that music provides whether listening, singing or playing would agree.
Music provides a means of communication that is more than just "words and music". It speaks from the soul of one to the souls of others and can break down barriers of all kinds. It has endured for all time and I strongly believe that it will endure beyond time.
I've been involved with "making music" since I was a young child and was fascinated with any musical instrument that was in any room that I walked into. I learned the piano at an early age and have continued with keyboard instruments all my life. I was trained in classical but later found great pleasure in "Folk" and "Country" even playing and singing in a Country Band for several years. Those years held some of the happiest times of my life as I learned to share the joy of music with others. Then I turned to writing music and songs which again has been a great source of satisfaction. Have had a couple of songs published and recorded though that is not the reason that I write. I write for the joy and satisfaction it gives me.
I'd say stay with the music, Olam for the joy it gives you and perhaps we may meet up in 4D and have a chance to "jam". Who knows what kind of instruments will be developed for us to play...probably something that we could not even imagine with the most pure and unimaginable tone qualities. Sure hope my new Light body will have a new voice for singing too. LOL. Counting on that!

AMEN!....perhaps the instruments will stay in tune also!!!..I have a particulat guitar in mind that has a sound like no other......but it has to be retuned after every song..:rolleyes:

[lala]

I don’t believe that the guitars brought you happiness

I do believe that YOU brought the happiness through this instrument!

SO, we only need ourselves to be there and make manifest our joy....:p

[Happystrings]

I don’t believe that the guitars brought you happiness

I do believe that YOU brought the happiness through this instrument!

SO, we only need ourselves to be there and make manifest our joy....:p

I love that there are so many guitarist here. Lala, i think you hit the nail on the head. This is how I feel when I play. Nicely put. And I too believe that there will be ample opportunites to make music.

[soup]

I did a lot of "wandering" in a "seeking" way whcih led me to a point of discovering the beauty of music and spending way more time playing guitar than i would probably have arrived at otherwise. If anyone ever wonders what i'm doing when i'm not writing - i'm likely playing my guitar.


soup

[Ceara]

It has been said that when we "astral project" we are really going into 4D. And there, everything is possible with thought. And a common warning for those that project is that one should be very careful what is thought, because it will become "real."

There, everything is energy and thought-based. The late Robert Monroe, in one of his books, talked about meeting his long-deceased friend in the projection state and that friend had "built" a log cabin complete with some land and lake.

So, in my opinion, if/when it comes to everyone moving up a notch dimensionally, you can think up any guitar you want. When you're done with it, it can go back to energy. The best part about that? Well there's nothing to carry around. hehe Make it when you want it, then put it away when you're done.

With that said, here's a cute little video. "Would You Like to Play the Guitar?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o3jeHrZbWs

[Well, a little off-topic, but what the hay? Mod :)]

[soup]

I think that my guitar playing has improved since I've found myself mingling with other fellow guitar players - thanks for that. Now, I'm even dreaming about guitars and songs and so on....


soup

[AJigga34576]

Hey Olam,

I myself am a musician too. I play bass, and considering how much passion I have for music and playing an instrument, I was thinking as to how thats going to transfer over into 4D. What I came to in my mind, is that instruments and such 'going away' would be the last thing that could happen. If we're moving into a density of pure love, I don't see how its possible for there to be sadness or depression (which is how I think I would feel without being able to be involved with music). So if anything, we will still have that ability to create music. And I personally feel its going to be even more awesome than how we can now. Maybe we will just be able to think of music and somehow it will be created. Is that not how we do it now? The only difference is in this density we have the task of getting it from out of our minds and onto an instrument.

Hope my insight helped!

[pksmith]

This is always the biggest issue that I deal with when considering the whole ascension thing. All I can really imagine doing with the rest of my existence on any plane is playing music constantly. Sometimes I feel like the sounds emanating from my guitar hold the blueprint for everything in the universe (I guess we've all seen those cymatics pics). When I play I feel more like myself than any other time. If I had to choose to keep my guitar or my body, I'd choose my guitar. I guess maybe I'd need a pair of hands too, but maybe I could manipulate the strings energetically.

So, sometimes when I'm in a more materialistic place, this question bothers me a lot. But according to Ra, we continually gather pieces of ourselves and converge into a greater whole the further we evolve. And if there's one other soul out there who I would combine with my own, it would be my guitar. It gives me the clearest image of who I am.

all the best,
Phil

[Adam of All]

There's a quote from a Ra channeling that David Wilcock did for a client (while he was still doing that, of course) that always stands out to me. While the exact quote eludes me at the moment, it was something to the effect of: "Why should you ignore your musical endeavors when it is one of the highest affections to the creator that you are capable of expressing?"

Now, with that in mind, we should strongly consider that rather than losing our most beloved methods/instruments that we use to create music, those things will in fact evolve with us! My 3rd density material body has a great affinity for the feel of Ibanez and Fender guitars, but I can imagine that my 4th density body will be capable of appreciating much more than just the feel of a piece of maple in my hands. Therefore, I'm looking forward to the exact sensations that await us as musicians, or, more appropriately, artists/creators.

As I see it, making music is one way that we can express ourselves (and therefore, everybody). When we evolve and exist at a much higher frequency, every sensation and expression will exist at a much higher frequency and so our art forms will be far more centered and expressive than we can fathom at this point. Just begin to imagine the beautiful complexity and purpose of the symphonies and choirs we'll be able to enjoy!

[soup]

Its easy for me to imagine myself playing a cello after a few more years of guitar. I don't know how that might happen but I like to imagine it.


soup

[soup]

...so if I do follow thru this project, do I only have 4 years to enjoy it?
...


This seems an issue of planning as mechanism that keeps the wheels of the world turning. I think that within the book "the seven habits of highly effective people" there's an idea of setting some time asside on Sunday night to "plan" for the week. It may be that by such exercise of short term planning we can better arrive "as more effective beings" to whatever the far future affords to us.


soup

[soup]

On the cover of the Ra Materials Books seem four oval shapes filled with Egyptian symbols. I notice that a Scarab Beetle was used as a Symbol of Ra as the scarab would roll a dung ball around at the dawn of day in an act of reproduction. The disc is likewise a symbol of Ra related to the Sun.

So in listening to the Beatles music, I pondered the symbolic connection to Ra. And I wondered if there could be likewise symbols of primative guitars found in the ovals on the cover....Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds contains a line, picture yourself in a boat on a river....and there seems one depicted so.

The Feather of Maat seems abundantly represented, which reminds me of the quill used for writing in effort to attain a sence of balance...sometimes I ponder spontaneous symbolic messages as having potential of important relevance and so I share something about them, how they offer meaning to me in chance they may be meaningful to others.


soup

[Adam of All]

Well, soup, I thank you for your insites, and I think they accomplish just that. I also think in the same way, and I can assume that such insites will at least exercise the mind in a productive way.

[Enivid]

I do agree with Megan and really believe we will experience everything we can experience in this 3rd denisity and alot more in the 4th density! And without all the negative aspects! :)

Before I learned about 2012 I learned from channlling what the afterlife was like, and it was a place much like this, but with alot more love. Also you could do what you want to do, there were libraries to study life and keep evolving on the spiritual path. There where even "work" to save souls that is lost in time and etc.

And if you can believe in the RA channeling then you can believe in the channeled information I just mentioned. I do believe we won't loose anything but only gain.

We will have amazing food, amazing sex (I've always missed that true loving, which connects on all levels, been searching for it my whole life, but only now I know why), amazing entertainment like music and creativity. And when all joy is over we will contine to spiral upwards towards oneness and it will probably be a several million of years before we enter the upper densitites where we become more and more one and the same. I don't believe we need entertainment in the higher densitites, I do believe in thoose densities we will be more like a monk or buddha.

For me the 4th density will be all that we miss in this density, and we will be able to do what we want to do. People will make things for others, create food for others, and music and movies. We will share ideas and learn and keep learning the physics of the universe and probably be in more contact with our Higher Selves and shared conscioussness.

We will live the way we want to live, and build it form thought or hand and have awesome communities.. It will be simply amazing and no worries, no anxiety, no negative emotions, just pure love and understanding! :)

And as a musician (I'm a freestyling poet, hip-hop) I can't wait to have all the time I need to make hip-hop in 4th dimension :D.

And I can't wait to learn to play the guitar !! I won't have time before 2012, cause I have alot of things to do, like making people in my country seeing the truth :) (if they choose to of course, its all about free will, but who doesn't want to live without all negative influences?)

much love and peace to all of ya'll!

[soup]

It may be that lower densities can offer amusement to higher densities, as a pet can entertain it's owner...sometimes I wonder if our solar system is simply a traveling space vehicle for higher densities and the lower densities act as a form of entertainment to pass the time - recently I learned that the word planet is rooted in the idea of wanderer. I also wonder if guitar sounds contain simple unadulturated vibrations that strike closer to the bare truth than any distorted mixture of word abstractions has chance of... I guess the same could be suggested of sex, depending upon ones perspective....that is, could a primordial creative moment truly contain a depth of sexual ecstasy greater than the vast majority seem willing to acknowledge? Orgasms can seem so forgettable and deniable as undervalued, sad to say - though climactic guitar composition which mimics the same sexual truth may thrive in great mass acceptance...maybe it's some unadulterated effect, as difficult to describe.


soup

[MichaelD]

Hello everyone!

This is my first post here. I'm so happy to have found this forum. I've been lurking for a while. It's so nice to find a place where you can hear other like-minded people's interpretation of things.

I can certainly relate to this thread since I'm also a musician and I often think about this subject as well. I often worry that if for some reason, I have to repeat 3 density experience, it will (of course) have to be on another planet. This in itself doesn't bother me so much but thought of not having the music of J.S. Bach on another world is devastating to me.

Be that as it may, I'm sure there is music of infinite variety in the higher densities. I've had dreams where I've heard music that is unlike anything we have on earth. It was so rich, intricate and dense--played on instruments I've never heard with indescribable sonorities and using harmonies that I cannot replicate in a waking state--as if it were using an entirely different spectrum of tuning than we are capable of perceiving in this physical realm. It was quite frustrating not being able to duplicate what I heard upon waking.

I think we have to remember (and this is alluded to by RA and the Seth material) that once we complete the transition into the next density, it will seem every bit as real and tangible to us as this reality. I'm sure we can experience anything we can envision.

My favorite references to music in the other realms comes from the book Secrets Of The UFO in the chapter on Wanderers where two subjects are describing their experience in some sort of temple setting on another world..

..And there is music as though from voices, but it’s not … there are no people making it. The music is there but I don’t see what causes it. That is all I see.

And apparently, not only can you hear music, you can also see it:

There are two columns, one on each side. Three or four steps. It glitters
smooth. It is round, with a dome-like top. There is … it is hard to
explain … there is, it is like music but it is not note-music, it is like air music,
dancing in sparkles. Everything is transformed to glitter.

Now won't that just be too cool!? Music coming from "out of nowhere" that you can hear and see. The acid trip without the drugs! :D

..Music should be a part of the development of every soul. -Edgar Cayce

I really like the reference to matter being "frozen music". That's perfect. So don't worry about losing music. It's what the cosmos is made of!

-Michael.

[transiten]

:D Whoah! i just reviewed the post where I also referred to that statement from the sacred geometry-thread, and also just minutes ago mentioned an album i recorded back in 1971 "Illusioner"....and since I'm also an astrologer, I love angles and geometrical aspects....

I had this great fear last night I'm too old for anyone to be interested in recording a new album with me, and also that I won't be able to keep up my music after all the catalysts I've been through. I must learn to cooperate again, and now this time with likeminded pple who'se main interest is music nd the lyrics, not having a "hit" making money or becoming a "star".

I'm singing for the love of music and the love of the earth and the love for those I'm able to love..I admit I cannot feel love for everyone, but at least I can accept everyone and try not to hurt pple deliberatly.

And if there's anything to this "Stringtheory" I think My MartinD35 will do perfectly allright in 4D:)

Liliane with Neptunetransits at the moment

[soup]

I discovered recently there's a band called Ra or Ra Music. I don't know much about it, decided to buy the 3rd Beattle anthology instead because of the scarab, beetle, to Beatle idea.

From that, I considered that if the sun could sing to the galactic center then it might sing that song, "Let It Be".


soup

[transiten]

Hi 3D:)set

Now :)is shining and yesterday night when walking my dog, that was the song I was humming:)
The scarab I've had many syncs with, f.i some years ago when I was reading Jung and all kinds of literature about synchronicity, an egyptian came to my door and sold paintings on papyrus; I bought one with the scarab and one with the celebration of The :)Ra. Two of the Beatles albums I saw in the window of my neighbour just the other day...

Liliane transiten

[Adam of All]

I'm a music lover, and I like all sorts of music. Metal happens to have a special place in my heart, believe it or not, and the band Ra plays a sort of catchy, melodic form of hard rock/metal. I don't know much about their personal beliefs other than that they are indeed into spirituality. I used to enjoy them quite a bit before I ever knew what the Law of One was, although I don't listen to them much at all these days.

...and soup - I had a great synchronicity involving "Let It Be" the other night and it had me teary eyed.

[3D Sunset]

Hi 3D:)set

Now :)is shining and yesterday night when walking my dog, that was the song I was humming:)
The scarab I've had many syncs with, f.i some years ago when I was reading Jung and all kinds of literature about synchronicity, an egyptian came to my door and sold paintings on papyrus; I bought one with the scarab and one with the celebration of The :)Ra. Two of the Beatles albums I saw in the window of my neighbour just the other day...

Liliane transiten

Hi Liliane,

Thanks for those warm thoughts. Your story reminds me of a something that happened to me about a year ago (rather tangential, but it came up when I read your post, so I'll share it). I had been pondering the fact that many artists incarnate today are wanderers that are here to help set the tone for the harvest. I asked my higher self of some that I may not have considered, and received the image of Porky Pig singing "Sounds of Silence".

It was a delightful image, and he sang the song complete with the studder. From this image, I deduced a host of wanderers I hadn't considered.

Apparently, my Higher Self has a sense of humor to boot!

3D Sunset

[transiten]

Hi soup

Just seconds after reading your post a guy on radio tells about his experience having been drawn into the energy of a tree, and then bounced back ending up on the ground like "a beetle upside down". Also immediately after that I finally got the lost post from a sedona couple...living in..Joshua tree:) I just wrote in another thread about the meaning of synchronicities and a series of strong treesyncs that I did not heed as the warning they were, leading into my most extreme catlyst in this life..

Now the tree can be the symbol for the crucifix or the tree of life...I now feel it's the latter in my personal timeline..I hope the same for us all...

:)ny indiansummer greetings from Gothenburg

[transiten]

Hello soup and 3DSunset

I actually mixed you up somehow:o But since we're all interconnected and there's only One of us here, I'm sure you're not offended.

Liliane transiten

[Djonne]

I'm looking forward to jam with all of you on the *other side*.
This time maybe there will be no mistakes and false bends:)

[transiten]

My stepmother went over to the other side on oct 1:st. She came to me two weeks later through a medium and all the difficult feelings i still had towards her dissolved. Now I'm rehearsing her favourite spiritual song for her funeral on tuesday and the lyrics say "The tree of life blossoming" on the other side where one will meet those close to us that already passed over.

Hers was the guitar I first learned to play on so in spite of the fact that she could not love me as a mother, all the same she played a part in that I'm now singing and playing for her, feeling thankful with no remorse.

Liliane the transit

[Aghsan Branch]

That sounds very appropriate and a very meaniing full thing that you are doing, Liliane.

I can say from experience because i played a song at my grandmother's funeral a good while ago. Ocassionally i hear the song being played and i get the chills.

Music is one of those really good ways to pass messages through the dimensions. I think your sentiments will help to heal that which you are seeking to. Be well.

AGH :p

[Firewalker]

I think the original idea in this thread is quite funny.

I can imagine you being abducted by positive ET's, or going to find them in dreamstate. In the middle of a conversation about how everything is one, and the meanings of the harvest, and probably deeper things you'd be like:

'Can I keep my guitars'.

Ehh....

Well you're going to be ascended to a new realm of consciousness so,

Yeah sure, I mean, we're not going obliterate the buildings or anything. (Is that gonna happen) [Talks to other ET next to him]

No, physical stuff is all the same, yeah you can probably keep them.

Your fingers might phase in and out. And there are other complications, but anyway, here's to hoping.

[FooSnik]

A thought keeps flashing in my mind like a red neon sign and I feel I must write it, and send it, in order to make it stop and give me peace.

I need to be sure not to be in a rush to get out of here else I may regret it later. I think there are many wonderful things that are unique to only our little 3D world we have here. And once we have moved on into the light, whether it be the other side of the veil or 4D, we will miss these unique and wonderful experiences.

If we will not need to eat, or eat very light and little, then I think we will miss our Moma's home cooking. All those wonderful foods someone prepared for you with love. I have already mostly said good bye to eating meat because of my ethical beliefs but I would be lying if I said I did not miss eating a big juicy steak once in a while. Or a big ham sandwich with all the fixin's. And to eat a Philly cheese steak in Philly is freaking amazing.

I was having this discussion with a friend the other day. We may miss all the drama of this 3D realm too. The epic tragic love stories of love gained, lost and requited. To have a great film you need a plot. And to have a plot you need a conflict and a resolution. In a 4D world of telepathy there will be no secrets. And there will be lots more love and compassion. So how do you make a great dramatic film without some shadows and intrigue? And what would a 4D film be like?

And would comedy be nearly as brilliant and funny as it is without it being tinged with pain? Nothing feels better than to release tension with laughter. Would the laughter be as intense and satisfying without tension to release?

And if we have a light body then won't we miss the sensations of having a physical body? The soft touch of your lover's lips? The cool feeling of swimming with the fish in a clear, tropical sea? The warm sensation of the sun on those first spring days after a long, hard, cold winter? The smell of fresh flowers and nature? The loving, wet lick from your new puppy dog?

Music and dancing will continue on forever I am sure. So no need of losing these two of my favorite things.

Will these experiences be available to us in the new world?

What experiences will you miss when you move on to the higher realms?

Love and kindness to all,
Foo :)

[11wanderer11]

And if we have a light body then won't we miss the sensations of having a physical body? The soft touch of your lover's lips? The cool feeling of swimming with the fish in a clear, tropical sea? The warm sensation of the sun on those first spring days after a long, hard, cold winter? The smell of fresh flowers and nature? The loving, wet lick from your new puppy dog?

Music and dancing will continue on forever I am sure. So no need of losing these two of my favorite things.

Will these experiences be available to us in the new world?

What experiences will you miss when you move on to the higher realms?

Love and kindness to all,
Foo :)

If it's like some people say, that dreaming is the 4th density, then the experiences and sensations you manifest in that reality are as real to you as they are here. In fact, they'll be better and more complete. Right now your brain filters and limits the full spectrum of experience you could be having. Those that have had psychedelic experiences know what I'm talking about. They turn off different filters and allow you to suddenly see, think, and comprehend new ideas and realities. It's an amazing feeling that you never want to end. Well I guess depending on your current perspective and understanding of course. If 4th density gives you more complete awareness and capabilities, I don't think there will be anything to miss, unless you still enjoy the pain and confusion. That's what will be left behind.

[Enivid]

Will these experiences be available to us in the new world?

What experiences will you miss when you move on to the higher realms?

Since we create our own creation (we are the infinite mind) I do really believe we never again will miss anything.

Movies, Video Games and etc. will be as real as now. We will be able to enjoy everything from the creation of movies, video games and etc. I going to create this for me :). I've seen science that says we can have experiences through technology that we are outside over body. We even can have nice experiences in our dreams.

I will not miss anything, I do believe I will be able to experience everything. For example watch a movie without knowing the end. We should have the ability to create a memory loss. :)

I know that I will be enjoying my lighter body that I will create and I still will enjoy cooking etc. We will have soooo much more time. So nothing will be hard nor boring to do.

When watching a movie we can be a part of it. How will it work? Well, Im just a visionaire :) I see that it is possible now since I've had some really cool dreams that felt amazingly real that where like action movies :P.

Maybe we will create a technology or pill (or a combination) that will help us on a metaphysical level to travel into a movie world or another world where movies are played out or we create a movie.

Its so exciting to be alive now, because of our endless possibilites ! :D

Love!
- Enivid

[LordDragon]

If it's like some people say, that dreaming is the 4th density, then the experiences and sensations you manifest in that reality are as real to you as they are here. In fact, they'll be better and more complete. Right now your brain filters and limits the full spectrum of experience you could be having. Those that have had psychedelic experiences know what I'm talking about. They turn off different filters and allow you to suddenly see, think, and comprehend new ideas and realities. It's an amazing feeling that you never want to end. Well I guess depending on your current perspective and understanding of course.

11wanderer11 if i may suggest, turn it around. Just to look at it from another perspective. Imagine this is the dream, the matrix which creates the illusion of solid matter. And 4d is the awakening, so that what you see now as solid matter you will then see otherwise, like it is all energy. In that state the immediate manifestation of thoughts becomes possible. So i think it is possible to have hundred guitars there, and you just have to think about the right one so you can play them.

Since we create our own creation (we are the infinite mind) I do really believe we never again will miss anything.

Thats so right Enivid. I agree with you, beeing a smart guy. :) If you do not want to mis anything, you will not miss anything. On the contrary i believe when our preception and cousciousness expands we will find many new things and create new tools, because now we are still only seeing part of it all, but take it step by step, dont rush anything as Foosnik says. The journey on the path is wonderfull, dont miss anything!

Movies, Video Games and etc. will be as real as now. We will be able to enjoy everything from the creation of movies, video games and etc. I going to create this for me .

Indeed, now you are restricted to a computer or a game console to play games. But remeber when you were young, we went out playing and made ourselves a wooden sword. Imagine, instead of using a machine we can create a sort of sub matrix in which we can go playing the game without restrictions of engines, but really as in a interactive movie. the fun has only just begon. :cool:


I'm looking forward to jam with all of you on the *other side*.
This time maybe there will be no mistakes and false bends.

@Djonne ok while my guitar gently weeps you are welcome to jam :D

Many blessings, LD.

[11wanderer11]

[QUOTE=LordDragon;48120]11wanderer11 if i may suggest, turn it around. Just to look at it from another perspective. Imagine this is the dream, the matrix which creates the illusion of solid matter. And 4d is the awakening, so that what you see now as solid matter you will then see otherwise, like it is all energy..
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Yes, I agree that our 'waking life' truly is the dream. My particular words were directed to Foosnik's concerns about being able to feel physical sensations the same way because of not having this physical body and changing to the light body. I was simply refering to the fact that in your dreams you are still capable of feeling all the same physical sensations even though you're obviously not really experiencing them with a physical body. Your mind creates the sensations.

[PokerPlayer123]

I remember Ra calling our cars and communication devices "gadgets". I wonder if the same applies to our musical instruments. They are simply gadgets that are necessary in this density for transportation, communication and expression of music. If I understand 4th density well enough, these will all be a function of the mind. You will be able to think musical tones into vibration and arrange them into a preferred composition. I imagine you will be able to make them sound like any instrument you have stored in your memory. Others, with interest and ability will be able to contribute to the composition and that is how I imagine concerts forming in 4th density. A group of musically inclined entities gathering to create the music, and all those who like what they hear gather around them. No need for speakers, tickets, record companies and all other 3rd density obstacles.

[ETguy]

I really don't see fourth density as this magic happy place with flowers and dancing on clouds. Sorry. I imagine fourth density to look more like a Star Wars scenario. On one side you have the positively polarized or service to other entities, commonly known as the good side, but on the other side you have the negatively polarized or service to self entities, commonly known as the evil side.

Fourth density is not a place for wisdom or gentleness, in fact, there are a lot of immature souls residing there, as the only prerequisite for third into fourth density harvest is a sufficient degree of polarization - either positive or negative. There is no requirement for any wisdom or understanding of any kind. Naturally, this means that war is still waged in fourth density (Just like in Star Wars.), as wisdom is required to refrain from battle.

There is also a physical body in fourth density space/time, with its limitations. As I understand it, in fourth density space/time the power of the mind is great compared to third density space/time. There is the possibility of telepathy, moving objects with the mind, levitation etc. You see these things in Star Wars. Still, spaceships and other means of transportation are required.

Wise and "old souls" have their home in fifth density and beyond. A large fraction of the users on this forum are probably Wanderers whose origins are fifth and sixth density. So, it's pointless to fantasize about how 4D will be like, when you'll most likely pop right back to 5D or 6D after the Harvest!

Just my two cents. :)

[PokerPlayer123]

yes there will still be conflict just as in this density.. no argument there.. but we are talking about music, not war or conflict

1love

[SONOFMAN]

this incarnation needs to end to be harvested, as such I personally see no point in striving to hang onto any"thing" from earth. Be them guitars, cars, clothes, or gold. I have played the guitar for years as well, played professionally based out of Detroit for years (back when Detroit was Motown still) and I found a way to let all that go. I had stacks and racks, guitars that are now worth more than my home and all my property, the list of stuff would be long indeed. It is all just stuff. The stuff is nothing like the music you make with it, two totally separate beasts all together.

As I slowly pieced out my collection for diapers, mortgage payments, electric bills, weddings, and cars I found my self empty. As in "not so full of myself," when I lost the last axe is when I actually came across the Ra material. Bought it with the very money that I pawned that last one out with.

i can honestly say I am a better guitarist now, amazingly so. But I don't practice anymore, I only play at the in-laws with the wife's father. Making music had become a huge distraction to me, it was how I hid from the world.

[Truth180]

I really don't see fourth density as this magic happy place with flowers and dancing on clouds. Sorry. I imagine fourth density to look more like a Star Wars scenario. On one side you have the positively polarized or service to other entities, commonly known as the good side, but on the other side you have the negatively polarized or service to self entities, commonly known as the evil side.

Fourth density is not a place for wisdom or gentleness, in fact, there are a lot of immature souls residing there, as the only prerequisite for third into fourth density harvest is a sufficient degree of polarization - either positive or negative. There is no requirement for any wisdom or understanding of any kind. Naturally, this means that war is still waged in fourth density (Just like in Star Wars.), as wisdom is required to refrain from battle.

There is also a physical body in fourth density space/time, with its limitations. As I understand it, in fourth density space/time the power of the mind is great compared to third density space/time. There is the possibility of telepathy, moving objects with the mind, levitation etc. You see these things in Star Wars. Still, spaceships and other means of transportation are required.

Wise and "old souls" have their home in fifth density and beyond. A large fraction of the users on this forum are probably Wanderers whose origins are fifth and sixth density. So, it's pointless to fantasize about how 4D will be like, when you'll most likely pop right back to 5D or 6D after the Harvest!

Just my two cents. :)


It is mentioned in the RA material Book 1 some where I can't recall. But it mentions about 4th density beings only see in fighting the negative forces. Instead of understanding or accepting that there is a reason. They themselves or learning just as we are here in 3D form in many different ways. We or all students I guess you could say, but at the same time teachers :confused:

[mcrachierach]

This is my take, in a bit of a round about way. If we take the concept of a holographic universe, Tao, multidimensional soul system, however you like to phrase it, given that we are talking about a complete system, nothing created can ever be destroyed. I’m not talking about just the physical guitar, I’m also talking about the idea of the guitar, it’s form, the space/time events involving the guitar, memories, and also the infinitely variable energies of guitarishness, the soul of the guitar. Even talking about the guitar manifests it to such a degree that it becomes as real in our hearts and minds, as it would in our hands, if we held it now. You will never be without your guitar, or it’s music, simply because for each of us reading or writing here, the guitar always existed, and will always exist.

When we talk about ideas such as, ‘can I take it with me?’ or, ‘we’ll be physical/light-being/angels, etc.’ or even, ‘the world will fall into a pit of hell, and only a few will struggle to survive.’ We still end up with the same outcome, we think it, and therefore it exists. All things conceived are real. Everything imagined, at any level, is for good, and for always.

For me, it doesn’t really matter what things are like after 2012. Everything I imagine, do, feel, experience, dream, want, love, hate, draw to me and push away, and any other expression of creation that eminates from me, is with in every moment.

Kinda woo-woo, I know, but it’s true. What is the difference between closing your eyes and daydreaming about playing that guitar, having a sleeping dream about playing that guitar, or playing it physically? What’s the difference between playing that guitar at this energetic level, the next, the next again, or at any level? None. You cannot be without your guitar because you have never been without your guitar.

All moments being eternally concurrent, and all possibilities being eternally concurrent, it’s all up to what you focus on. Focus on playing your guitar, and you’ll be playing your guitar :^)

2C

[Jivatman]

If you study the RA material, you will note that while the 3rd dimension will, for a time, cease to exist, the 1st and 2nd ones will remain unaffected.

That means - 1d the nonliving physical landscape and 2d all nonhuman plants and animals - will be completely unaffected.

All humans on earth will be brought into 4d positive.

Many of those who have been born since the 80's have partially activated 4d bodies, Ra says there were a few hundred thousand at the time of those channelings. 4D reality is already sensible by many of us.

b/c earth was a difficult planet because it consisted of mostly people from either maldek (between mars and Jupiter, now the asteroid belt) or Mars (Blew away their atmosphere) Many of these people being born at this time for 4d experiences are graduates from other planets.

[ETguy]

If you study the RA material, you will note that while the 3rd dimension will, for a time, cease to exist, the 1st and 2nd ones will remain unaffected.

That means - 1d the nonliving physical landscape and 2d all nonhuman plants and animals - will be completely unaffected.

All humans on earth will be brought into 4d positive.

This is not my perception, as the first and second densities are already being affected right now by the third-to-fourth density "disharmonious complex" commonly known as global warming. This disharmony will increase as we get closer and closer to full fourth-density activation in a few years. (Don't buy any green bananas :))

Then again, Ra never gave any clear definition of the workings of the densities in relation to each other. I wish Ra did. Through my understanding I discover some seeming paradoxes. For example, Ra states that there is one sphere for each density. Then one can ask why second-density animals are living in our third-density sphere?

The only reasonable explanation I can come up with is that all densities co-exist - the first and second densities we experience right now are the same first and second densities that will be experienced by the fourth-density newcomers. So, the first and second densities will in fact be very affected, according my reasoning.

The second point you brought up was the Harvest process. Very few humans will graduate into fourth-density. Most will repeat third-density elsewhere. The few entities who have graduated into fourth-density will also have to "wait" in the spirit world for the earth to regrow and heal after the cataclysms of the Harvest.

In the physical world this regeneration process will probably amount to tens or hundreds of thousands of years, while from the perspective of the spirit world you'd be able to just snap right into the "future" new fourth-density activated Earth. (Personally, I've never been in the spirit world that I can consciously remember, so take this as speculation of the best kind ;))

I'd also like to use this opportunity to recommend living in the moment. Don't worry about the distant future, because there is none. I try to avoid putting it this bluntly, because it generates fear and that's not something I want to generate and dwell on. Still, this is the future and the truth. Mentioning the truth should never be wrong.

[HardKnockSoldi3r]

It may be that lower densities can offer amusement to higher densities, as a pet can entertain it's owner...sometimes I wonder if our solar system is simply a traveling space vehicle for higher densities and the lower densities act as a form of entertainment to pass the time - recently I learned that the word planet is rooted in the idea of wanderer. I also wonder if guitar sounds contain simple unadulturated vibrations that strike closer to the bare truth than any distorted mixture of word abstractions has chance of... I guess the same could be suggested of sex, depending upon ones perspective....that is, could a primordial creative moment truly contain a depth of sexual ecstasy greater than the vast majority seem willing to acknowledge? Orgasms can seem so forgettable and deniable as undervalued, sad to say - though climactic guitar composition which mimics the same sexual truth may thrive in great mass acceptance...maybe it's some unadulterated effect, as difficult to describe.
soup


Oooh yes my friend, I feel what your'e saying. Since everything is consciousness, our bodies are manifestations of it, as is everything else. Thus, the mind body controls the physical body. You can have an orgasm in every center of energy.

A self induced sexual orgasm expells energy, in which you los a bit from your naval Chakra. BUT, if two beings peform sexual intercourse with loving intentions, and do it right, they can transfer each others energy, placing both beings in a somewhat timeless state of experiencing the consciousness of the other person. Sexual energy transfer is the super highway of gaining knowledge, and you can transfer energy from other energycenters, but only the adpt can achieve the higher energy center transfers through intercourse.

So, you definitly can have an orgasm on all levels through sexual energy transfer, and by manifesting a creation that is effective by yourself ie playing the guitar. The notes C,D,E,F,G,A,B correlate to the 7 main chakras; C starting at the crown an B related to the root.

Just as chakras are light vibrations which vary by color, hence fequency rate, sound correlates to them in a different style, yet maintaining the frequency aspect. It's been noted that classical music raises our intelligence, and I def. think thats true when I listen to it.

IMO when we reach full blown 4D, I'm sure we will create instruments FAARR more effective and full of awsomeness than what we have now!!!:)

I'm curious as to how many "wave forms (of energy)" exist. I know of Light, Sound, eerm, thats it. I think all wave forms are based on 7 repeating frequencies: Light;rainbow/main energy chakras, Sound;Musical octave. Are there 7 types of thought waves? Hmmm :)

[Pentanee]

I had a cool dream about music once. I was walking across a large town square with a fountain in the middle of it. This fountain was playing wonderful music and spurting sounds and colors.

Suddenly I was in the fountain and getting pushed up into the sky . The sounds and colors were physically massaging my inner bodies and organs which was the most fantastic feeling. This was not sexual, but still pure ecstasy. I cannot imagine how the music and color got into my meridians and floated my body like that, or how that produced so much pleasure. It was completely intoxicating. So I concluded there is a lot more to discover about music, sounds, energy, healing, pleasure and color. I don't think we have scratched the surface yet. 4D will be 4 times the dynamite. So save that guitar and we'll jam someday.

I tried to capture some of the music. I didn't do a very good job, as the memory evaporated, but I put it on the web anyway cause it was sort of given to me. Its under [please PM Pentanee for link] > loren dean > "Egypt", (not my real name, and not for sale or anything, just plunkin').

[lightblue]

wonderful dreamseeing!

noticed in another thread your mention cacoon/caterpillar/butterfly transmutation..just so happens i get messages funneled down my mind when i switch off ...one said, word by word -: "butterfly carries the spirit" - spirit of the time i gathered...can't stop thinking about it... a couple of sinchronicities, most striking, occured around about the same time to affirm this message, i daren't mention..one may think it belongs to the wildest fantasy..i know it's true..i know i was gently being reminded me not to doubt the content.

did you get any more dreams of the sort?

warmest wishes

[noppy]

AWESOME !!!

being an 4D being and still rock some music : D and paint pictures i hope it still excist or maybe i paint with the power of my thougts, that would be SUPER AWESOME !!!!

i'm looking forward to 4D !! now i am gonna put all my love and joy into the now moment so the world wil heal ,so we all can go to 4D with much fun !!! :D :D :D

[Dave C]

lol I know exactly what you mean about guitars.... for so much about the material objects, it's the skill and all that i've bulit up over the years, i'me started to get into it even more these days too.
I suppose if we were in fourth density such worry's would be the last thingson our minds, you would imagine. As long as i gt to use my musical abilities i will be very pleased indeed, since my music abilities aren't native to just the guitar, they are universal, so to speak. Maybe we will be able to compose matter with thought waves lol or stuff like that, instead of using mediums like guitars etc... just project pure intention (the feeling that precedes the music) or something, some sort of 4th dimensional musical 'object', ... i reckon thats'the sort of thing that goes on, maybe i'me picking up on something intuitevely here...

[Daune]

Forgive me for chimming in but I just can't help it.

I was remembering those momments of ecstacy, not every time, nor occasionally but every now and then. Those times when playing (I played viola for twenty years, it has been 20+ years since the last time), or singing (from opera to pop but it only happens when I sing classical or sacred music) , or dance (both ballet and modern dance) when the magic happens. That point when you are no longer playing or singing the notes, doing the moves, When you step into a different relm, time stops, your senses are electrified. It is an out of body experience where the music has the resonance of the Creator, your voice becomes elastic every note it effortless. In the dance you feel as though you can fly. You have left this reality and are somewhere else. Do you know what I mean? Hvae you had that experience? Where you feel/sense that you have entered a sacred place. That place when part of a group is entered by the group sorta like a group consiousness shift or by an individual but you all become tuned into the One Creator. I think that is what it will be like in 4D. We are being given a taste of the future. It may not be the instrument that makes the music but our souls as they are entwined with the ecstacy of the One.

This to me is a truly orgasmic experience.

Daune

[Nitro]

Hello guys,

I would like to make a skype group chat for members of this forum and anyone who likes and/or follows David Wilcock's work. I believe that people who have ended up here (synchronistically or not) are on the edge of awakening and spiritual evolution.

I think it would be a great way for David Wilcock's supporters to discuss his work, share information, find new friends and just have fun.
So if you would like to be added to the group chat, post your skype name here or pm me and I will add you. You can also invite people you already know to the chat.
My skype name is: pendulum1212
feel free to add me

Best Regards,

-Nitro

[Voodu]

Greeting all :)


I know a few if not all of you have tried this. When you push slightly on your closed eyes, you begin to see VERY vibrant and colorful geometric shapes and or patterns. I was curious as to what exactly these shapes are, and why the lights appear to be so bright and vibrant, even if the experiment is conducted in complete pitch darkness. I've considered a few things, but first I want to see other opinions :) Thanks ;)


GEo

[JeffreyET]

I am new here. (ET really are my initials BTW) & enjoy discussing ponderables, for example:

If Third Density = Yellow, Octahedron, and the third note in a musical scale, and
If Third Density is all about the newly emergent self-aware choosing to resolve themself into one of two polarities, then -

It is interesting that the third in a musical scale is the only note that comes in two flavors - Major and Minor - which represent opposite moods in music. But the minor (flatted note) emerges only indirectly in natural resonant systems.

That means you can ACTUALLY HEAR one of the two paths in every piece of music!

Does a duality exist in the other resonant forms for this density? Perhaps the two halves of an octahedron, which yield opposite facing pyramids? Can a duality be discerned in the color Yellow?

Now for Fourth density. If the star tetrahedron is formed by interpentrating two tetrahedrons, what might this symbolize?
Also ponder the fourth note in a scale INVERTS the first-fifth relationship, that is, it makes the original note (the "root") its own fifth. More symbolism? Does this reciprocal harmony mean that Fourth density beings have a very strong affinity for First density? Is First density somehow literally "rooted" in Fourth? Can this resonance account for the leap in understanding, and even creating, the essence of matter, which we anticipate with Ascension?
Also the relationship between the fourth note and the second yields a minor interval, and is one of two generated naturally as far as I know, the other being First and Sixth. Could there be some meaning in that?

Just a few thoughts to chew over, sorry maybe a little too abstract.

[eagleye]

JeffreyET,

Sorry I don’t really know anything about reading musical notes but Ra has a lot to say about this. I would like to provide you with quotes relating to music. Maybe you can use it to provide some insights on this. I’m sure David knows all about it.

Questioner: Could you define the word density as we have been using it?

Ra: I am Ra. The term density is a, what you call, mathematical one. The closest analogy is that of music, whereby after seven notes on your western type of scale, if you will, the eighth note begins a new octave. Within your great octave of existence which we share with you, there are seven octaves or densities. Within each density there are seven sub-densities. Within each sub-density, are seven sub-sub-densities. Within each sub-sub-density, seven sub-sub-sub-densities and so on infinitely.

Questioner: Let me make an analogy that I have just thought of. A seven-stringed musical instrument may be played by deflecting each string a full deflection and releasing it producing notes. instead of producing the notes this way the individual creative personality could deflect each string the proper amount in the proper sequence producing music. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. In the balanced individual the energies lie waiting for the hand of the Creator to pluck harmony.
Questioner: The instrument would like to know why twice during the “Benedictus” portion of the music she sang in a group concert that she experienced what she believes to be a psychic attack?

Ra: I am Ra. This is not a minor query. We shall first remove the notations which are minor. In the vibrating, which you call singing, of the portion of what this instrument hallows as the Mass which immediately precedes that which is the chink called the “Hosanna” there is an amount of physical exertion required that is exhausting to any entity. This portion of which we speak is termed the “Sanctus.” We come now to the matter of interest.

When the entity Jehoshuah decided to return to the location called Jerusalem for the holy days of its people it turned from work mixing love and wisdom and embraced martyrdom which is the work of love without wisdom.

The “Hosanna,” as it is termed, and the following ”Benedictus,” is that which is the written summation of what was shouted as Jehoshuah came into the place of its martyrdom. The general acceptance of this shout, “Hosanna to the son of David! Hosanna in the highest! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!” by that which is called the church has been a misstatement, an occurrence which has been, perhaps, unfortunate for it is more distorted than much of the so-called Mass.

There were two factions present to greet Jehoshuah, firstly, a small group of those which hoped for an earthly king. However, Jehoshuah rode upon an ass stating by its very demeanor that it was no earthly king and wished no fight with Roman or Sadducee.

The greater number were those which had been instructed by rabbi and elder to make jest of this entity, for those of the hierarchy feared this entity who seemed to be one of them, giving respect to their laws and then, in their eyes, betraying those time-honored laws and taking the people with it.

The chink for this instrument is this subtle situation which echoes down through your space/time and, more than this, the place the “Hosanna” holds as the harbinger of that turning to martyrdom. We may speak only generally here. The instrument did not experience the full force of the greeting which it correctly identified during the “Hosanna” due to the intense concentration necessary to vibrate its portion of that composition. However, the “Benedictus” in this particular rendition of these words is vibrated by one entity. Thus the instrument relaxed its concentration and was immediately open to the fuller greeting.

Questioner: How was the Orion entity able to act through this linkage of the “Hosanna”? Was this simply because of mental distortions of the instrument at this period of time, because of that suggested by the music, or was it a more physical or metaphysical link from the time of Christ?

Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, the latter supposition is false. This entity is not linked with the entity, Jehoshuah. Secondly, there is a most unique circumstance. There is an entity which has attracted the attention of an Orion light being. This is extremely rare.

This entity has an intense devotion to the teachings and example of the one it calls Jesus. This entity then vibrates in song a most demanding version, called The Mass in B Minor by Bach, of this exemplary votive complex of sound vibrations. The entity is consciously identifying with each part of this Mass. Only thusly was the chink made available. As you can see, it is not an ordinary occurrence and would not have happened had any ingredient been left out: exhaustion, bias in the belief complexes, attention from an Orion entity, and the metaphysical nature of that particular set of words.

Questioner: What I am trying to get at in this session is if there are any practices that we might be able to do to best revitalize the instrument, for it is going to be necessary to do all we can in order to maintain our contact. Can you tell us what we can do to increase the instrument’s vitality for these contacts?

Ra: I am Ra. Your experience was a function of your ability to contact intelligent infinity. Therefore, it does not have a direct bearing upon this instrument’s vital energy.

We have spoken before of those things which aid this instrument in the vital energy: the sensitivity to beauty, to the singing of sacred music, to the meditation and worship, to the sharing of self with self in freely given love either in social or sexual intercourse. These things work quite directly upon the vitality. This instrument has a distortion towards appreciation of variety of experiences. This, in a less direct way, aids vitality.

[eagleye]

Continued...

Questioner: I have a question from the instrument. It states: “Could Ra tell us what factors are allowing our fifth-density, negative companion to be able to continue greeting the instrument in the throat area as well as with other unusual sensations such as dizziness, the smelling of orange blossoms, the feeling of stepping on imaginary creatures, and what can be done to lessen these greetings? Also, why do the greetings occur on walks?”

Ra: I am Ra. There are various portions of the query. We shall attempt answer to each. We tread close to the Law of Confusion, saved only by the awareness that given lack of information this instrument would, nonetheless, continue to offer its service.

The working of your fifth-density companion which still affects the instrument was, as we have stated, a potent working. The totality of those biases which offer to the instrument opportunities for increased vital and physical strength, shall we say, were touched by the working. The blue-ray difficulties were not entirely at an end after the first asking. Again, this group experienced blockage rare for the group; that is, the blue-ray blockage of unclear communication. By this means the efficacy of the working was reinforced.

The potential of this working is significant. The physical exercising, the sacred music, the varieties of experience, and indeed simple social intercourse are jeopardized by a working which attempts to close the throat and the mouth. It is to be noted that there is also the potential for the loss of this contact.

We suggest that the instrument’s allergies create a continuous means whereby the distortion created by the magical working may be continued. As we have stated, it shall be necessary, in order to remove the working, to completely remove the distortion within the throat area caused by this working. The continuous aggravation of allergic reactions makes this challenging.

The orange blossom is the odor which you may associate with the social memory complex of fifth-density positive which is known to you as sound vibration, Latwii. This entity was with the instrument as requested by the instrument. The odor was perceived due to the quite sensitive nature of the instrument due, again, to its, shall we say, acme in the eighteen-day cycle.

The sensation of stepping upon the small animal and killing it was a greeting from your fifth-density, negative companion also made possible by the above circumstance.

As to the removal of the effects of the magical working, we may make two suggestions, one immediate, and one general. Firstly, within the body of knowledge which those healers known among your peoples as medical doctors have is the use of harsh chemical substances which you call medicine. These substances almost invariably cause far more changes than are intended in the mind/body/spirit complex. However, in this instance the steroids or, alternately, the antibiotic family might be useful in the complete removal of the difficulty within which the working is still able to thrive. Of course, the allergies would persist after this course of medicine were ended, but the effects of the working would no longer come into play.

The one you call Jerome might well be of aid in this somewhat unorthodox medical situation. As allergies are quite misunderstood by your orthodox healers, it would be inappropriate to subject the instrument to the services of your medical doctors which find the amelioration of allergic effects to be connected with the intake of these same toxins in milder form. This, shall we say, treats, the symptom. However, the changes offered to the body complex are quite inadvisable. The allergy may be seen to be the rejection upon a deep level of the mind complex of the environment of the mind/body/spirit complex. Thus the allergy may be seen in its pure form as the mental/emotional distortion of the deeper self.

The more general recommendation lies with one which does not wish to be identified. There is a code name prayer wheel. We suggest ten treatments from this healer and further suggest a clear reading and subsequent following upon the part of the instrument of the priorities of allergy, especially to your foodstuffs.

Lastly, the effects of the working become apparent upon the walking when the body complex has begun to exert itself to the point of increased respiration. Also a contributing factor is the number of your second-density substances to which this instrument is allergic.

Questioner: How serious or critical is this renal problem? Is drinking liquids the only thing she can do for that, or is there something else?
Ra: I am Ra. Note the interrelationship of mind and body complexes. This is one example of such interweaving of the design of catalyst and experience. The period of renal delicacy is serious, but only potentially. Should the instrument desire to leave this incarnational experience the natural and non-energized opportunity to do so has been in-built just as the period during which the same entity did, in fact, leave the incarnational experience and then return by choice was inlaid.

However, the desire to leave and be no more a portion of this particular experiential nexus can and has been energized. This is a point for the instrument to ponder and an appropriate point for the support group to be watchful in regards to care for the instrument. So are mind and body plaited up as the tresses of hair of a maiden.

The nature of this entity is gay and sociable so that it is fed by those things we have mentioned previously: the varieties of experience with other-selves and other locations and events being helpful, as well as the experience of worship and the singing, especially of sacred music. This entity chose to enter a worshipful situation with a martyr’s role when first in this geographical location. Therefore, the feeding by worship has taken place only partially. Similarly the musical activities, though enjoyable and, therefore of a feeding nature, have not included the aspect of praise to the Creator.

The instrument is in a state of relative hunger for those spiritual homes which it gave up when it felt a call to martyrdom and turned from the planned worship at the location you call the Cathedral of St. Philip. This too shall be healed gradually due to the proposed alteration in location of this group.

Questioner: Was the exercise of the fire properly done?

Ra: I am Ra. The baton is well visualized. The conductor will learn to hear the entire score of the great music of its art.

Questioner: You spoke in a previous session about certain Hebrew and Sanskrit sound vibratory complexes being powerful because they were mathematically related to that which was the creation. Could you expand on this understanding as to how these are linked?

Ra: I am Ra. As we previously stated the linkage is mathematical or that of the ratio you may consider musical. There are those whose mind complex activities would attempt to resolve this mathematical ratio but at present the coloration of the intoned vowel is part of the vibration which cannot be accurately measured. However, it is equivalent to types of rotation of your primary material particles.

Questioner: Would these sounds, then, be of a musical nature in that there would be a musical arrangement of many different sound vibrations, or would this apply to just one single note? Which would it apply more to?

Ra: I am Ra. This query is not easily answered. In some cases only the intoned vowel has effect. In other cases, most notably Sanskrit combinations, the selection of harmonic intervals is also of resonant nature.

Questioner: Could you tell me the musical name of the notes to be intoned that are of this quality?
Ra: I am Ra. We may not.

[clairead]

Hi Jeffrey,
Musically, your theory definitely works (I have enough music theory to get it! Yay!)
Especially about the thirds representing the polarities.


If Third Density = Yellow, Octahedron, and the third note in a musical scale, and
If Third Density is all about the newly emergent self-aware choosing to resolve themselves into one of two polarities, then -

It is interesting that the third in a musical scale is the only note that comes in two flavours - Major and Minor - which represent opposite moods in music. But the minor (flatted note) emerges only indirectly in natural resonant systems.

That means you can ACTUALLY HEAR one of the two paths in every piece of music!


But I have think whether it applies to the other densities. I am quite sure - speaking of densities here not music - that the first and eighth densities resonate to each other, but you could get a sub harmonic between One and Four, or two and Four, and One and Six

But I have to think about how this would apply to other than the physical plane (e.g., non-incarnating beings, or those at the 6thD and above who are finished with incarnations.

Thanks for the brainteaser!
Kelly

[Foghorn]

I know a few if not all of you have tried this. When you push slightly on your closed eyes, you begin to see VERY vibrant and colorful geometric shapes and or patterns. I was curious as to what exactly these shapes are, and why the lights appear to be so bright and vibrant, even if the experiment is conducted in complete pitch darkness. I've considered a few things, but first I want to see other opinions Thanks

Absolutely remarkable...the brilliant white light only. Did not experience geometry this time...or color. I had playing in the background from youtube....what Carla was singing - see eagleye's 5:24 PM post.

(search youtube in another browser) J.S. Bach: H-Moll Messe, Karl Richter
Bacholoji

The Mass in B Minor by Bach
21 - Hosanna
22 – Benedictus
23 - Hosanna

Thank you for your post reminding me about this short cut.
I have never experienced only white before. Should be interesting
to read others comments.;)

[Echo]

OK, the title is a bit superficial but I think it will nicely lead me to nome deep questions....

Now after reading the Ra chronicles...not all of it yet!, I can't keep up even if I have the will!...Ill get thru it sometime though....
So, I read that things will be different density wise and that the 3d body will either "die" or go thru somekind of transformation.

I wonder if some "marerial" will follow us and if also some of our 3D life pleasures will also...
I have gone thru a very tough time in 5 years, that has positivly rendered me more spiritual and has sparked my awakening.I am also no more materialistic, which is a great thing, but there are some things material that I still cherish very much.
Playing guitar for me has always been a very important part of my life, it has helped me thru the toughest of times, I play everyday, have always played.
I consider my guitars like children!....they do have a soul and personality and I treat and respect them as such. They uplift my soul and contribute to my well being. Afterall they are pieces of wood and I respect the life it gave up in order for me to "play" them and make music which plays a big part in humanity I think.
So if and when I do cross over to 4G, I would be seriously bummed out to see that I can no longer play them!....also, that would mean that all the hard work that I have done to perfect my playing would be scrapped.....and I happen to think that this is not the only life where I played instruments.
Now this might seem superficial but it does lead me to other considerations for the upcoming harvest.
What about all of our 3D pleasures, I read that we are very lucky to be in the 3D as we get to enjoy life in a special way...the smell of flowers, the great foods we eat(OK maybe that liquid golden sludge we are supposed to eat in 4D will suffice), but Ill sure miss some great pasta or anything you love to eat in fact!...
Will love making be considered just something to be patient with so that we can come back to our main purpose which I think would be compassion and love.....
I absolutly love food and dream of opening a great restaurant, not your usual restaurant....I got the idea in Rome......so if I do follow thru this project, do I only have 4 years to enjoy it?
Do you all see where im getting at?......In that case, if all we have now will be irelevant, and I do respect that if its the case,we will have something greater than these 3D pleasures. But then, Ill sure be having one heck of a hedonistic year somewhere around 2011:D

If that is the case, Jimmy Page sure picked his lifetime well!, he had time to play his heart out before the harvest!!!!

Now what got me thinking about all this is that, right now Im very poor, poorer than poor, Im talking moneywise...but I have a good collection of great vintage guitars, they are all my children and I would never have the heart to sell them as they have brought me so much joy over the years. If all of this will be irreleveant in 4 years, I might look at things differently and sell some of them to at least have a bit of money to survive in this capitalist society where you need to pay for food!

Please don't get me wrong, I don't want to be materialistic even if in the end,guitars are material! But to me, they bring me so much essential joy and soothing to my soul, so I don't consider that material.
Overall, my questioning is more than just guitars, Im trying to find a balance of my immediate needs and prepare for the futur.
David mentions that if you are 51% geared towards helping others and giving out to others, you will be fine, well I happen to think that playing beautiful music to others is giving out and soothing them as myself....
Has anyone come across some answers to these questions via the Ra group conciousness papers?...I did check and search, but there is so much to read, I would apreciate anyone contributing to this thread with any answers or comments that could help me and others understand these questions!
David, what do you think?...I know you play drums quite well and love to play, would you be dissapointed if yoy could not play anymore in 4D;)
Cheers

[just a quick reminder, we ask that you don't address questions to David personally on the forum, as he is unfortunately not in the position to actively participate, except for rare exceptions. Our members, on the other hand, will. -mod]

they will be unnessary in the times to come post december 21 2012 post ascension because you will should not focus on the past but look to the future materials of your past are not exactly what your future should have. you will understand this later I hope, we all will! :cool: