dream

[Aaron Elder]

i had a really awesome dream last night. most of my dreams don't have a
coherent quality and emotions are only half felt in them. this one felt more
real than life. also visually it was extremely detailed which was rare for
me. here it goes:
my brothers and sisters and mom and some family friends were at a park kind
of place near the ocean. we all walked onto a wooden dock to see the sun
rise/set i'm not sure which i just remember we wanted to see it do whatever
it was doing. as we walked out onto the dock the clouds cleared on the
horizon and we saw the moon and the sun. the moon was extremely close, it
looked 10 times bigger than normal and you could see the crateria on it. the
moon was low on the horizon with a small part of it eclipsed by the ocean.
the sun was very close to it to the right just above the horizon. i said
"holy **** i wish i had a camera" then i felt embarassed because i was
cursing in front of my mom and her friends. then to the right of the sun we
saw a being. somehow i knew that it was still out in space, but it was about
the size of the sun. i thought to myself "dear god that thing is huge". it
was humanoid looking and wearing a long robe and was obviously moving
towards us. i knew it was a higher dimensional being. also it was completely
marble gray, the skin, robe, everything about it was gray. all i could think
was "wow". then it opened its hands which were clasped in front of it and a
multitude of colors came radiating out of it hands and some of them washed
over its body, replacing the gray cast with more normal colors, and then the
colors it was radiating shifted to incredibly bright white light, that
outshone the sun. at this point my body felt extremely charged with energy
and i began flying over the water towards it. and then i woke up.
aaron
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[Clark stewart]

wow aaron that sounds cool,

the aspect of your family being there....this to me , ussually conotates a
aspect of your celestial family. which could be here ..3d or in higher
relms...me thinks..both..as dreams are allways multi layered..so specifics
don't work so good...go braud, then refine it through your self..sift if you
will for the goody's in meditation -contemplation..

when i think about the 'dock' and the sun, 10 times amplified moon..
these to me seem to hint toward this process dw has been researching soo
long, and well..ascension, docking with the new self/sun.
as your power in the bardo, is suppose to be around 9x..
the transformation of the grey entity to the true aspect of it's
glory...grey , well seems either shadowy aspects/ or preconceived stuff
about yourself..which is based upon 3d concensus..the colors of course is
the opening up of chakras, which when occurs on higher levels and lower, all
will be effected..so this charging vibration is the release, the flying
together is the enebitable merdge.

hope this helps,

in l/l,
fudo
>
>i had a really awesome dream last night. most of my dreams don't have a
>coherent quality and emotions are only half felt in them. this one felt
>more
>real than life. also visually it was extremely detailed which was rare for
>me. here it goes:
>my brothers and sisters and mom and some family friends were at a park kind
>of place near the ocean. we all walked onto a wooden dock to see the sun
>rise/set i'm not sure which i just remember we wanted to see it do
>whatever
>it was doing. as we walked out onto the dock the clouds cleared on the
>horizon and we saw the moon and the sun. the moon was extremely close, it
>looked 10 times bigger than normal and you could see the crateria on it.
>the
>moon was low on the horizon with a small part of it eclipsed by the ocean.
>the sun was very close to it to the right just above the horizon. i said
>"holy **** i wish i had a camera" then i felt embarassed because i was
>cursing in front of my mom and her friends. then to the right of the sun we
>saw a being. somehow i knew that it was still out in space, but it was
>about
>the size of the sun. i thought to myself "dear god that thing is huge". it
>was humanoid looking and wearing a long robe and was obviously moving
>towards us. i knew it was a higher dimensional being. also it was
>completely
>marble gray, the skin, robe, everything about it was gray. all i could
>think
>was "wow". then it opened its hands which were clasped in front of it and a
>multitude of colors came radiating out of it hands and some of them washed
>over its body, replacing the gray cast with more normal colors, and then
>the
>colors it was radiating shifted to incredibly bright white light, that
>outshone the sun. at this point my body felt extremely charged with energy
>and i began flying over the water towards it. and then i woke up.
>aaron
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[David Wilcock]

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><font face="arial" size="2">well, i'll throwin aquick freebie analysis here to circulate the good cheer and let others see how i'd work on this one. congratulations, you had a wonderful ascension dream to be sure. (others please note this is not a pattern! that's why i posted the "analyze your own dream" checklist a while back.) </font>
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style="background: #e4e4e4; font: 10pt arial; font-color: black">from: aaron elder (karnisov@hotmail.com)
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style="font: 10pt arial">sent: thursday, january 25, 2001 10:08 pm
style="font: 10pt arial">subject: [asc2k] dream
>

><tt>i had a really awesome dream last night. most of my dreams don't have a
coherent quality and emotions are only half felt in them. this one felt more
real than life. also visually it was extremely detailed which was rare for
me. here it goes:
my brothers and sisters and mom and some family friends were at a park kind
of place near the ocean. </tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>**first things first: all the family is there and you are in a pleasurable area near the ocean. this represents something involving your total self, all parts of yourself (the family represents your different soul aspects.) you are near the ocean, which in dream lingo means very major spiritual energy. the pleasure of the area indicates that your soul is glorified here. </tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>we all walked onto a wooden dock to see the sun
rise/set i'm not sure which i just remember we wanted to see it do whatever
it was doing. </tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>**wooden dock is something that allows you to "walk on water." wood is one of the basic "elements" in the chinese system and in the tarot deck it represents the suit of wands. this suit has to do with jobs, enterprise, social engagements, being useful, hard work, forming new plans, new ideas. so through your hard work you have fashioned a bridge to spirit. honoring the sun means the glorification of your masculine spiritual side, again tying this in with the wood / wand metaphor superimposed over the water / cup metaphor. the cups in the tarot are music, beauty, love, art, all things commonly associated with spirit. </tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>as we walked out onto the dock the clouds cleared on the
horizon and we saw the moon and the sun. the moon was extremely close, it
looked 10 times bigger than normal and you could see the crateria on it. the
moon was low on the horizon with a small part of it eclipsed by the ocean.
the sun was very close to it to the right just above the horizon. </tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>**of course this is impossible to have full moon and sun together; they can only be 180-degrees apart that way. the key point here is the harmonization of the two archetypes of the self, the feminine (moon) and masculine (sun.) this is very much related to why the ancients chose the aug. 11, 1999 solar eclipse as a key "marker" for this period of time that we are now in. reread revelations and you'll see lots of references to the "bride and the bridegroom." this is what you're seeing here; the fusion of the archetypes in yourself.</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>i said
"holy **** i wish i had a camera" then i felt embarassed because i was
cursing in front of my mom and her friends. </tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>**the ego self is embarassed by its own apparent faults, seen in terms of the spiritual event upcoming on the earth. </tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>then to the right of the sun we
saw a being. somehow i knew that it was still out in space, but it was about
the size of the sun. i thought to myself "dear god that thing is huge". it
was humanoid looking and wearing a long robe and was obviously moving
towards us. i knew it was a higher dimensional being. also it was completely
marble gray, the skin, robe, everything about it was gray. all i could think
was "wow". </tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>**the sun is a conscious being in its own right, outside of the dimensional levels but existing at the octave; in that sense it is our local representative of the one. ra calls it a "sub-logos" and the image of a human being is its "calling card" since that is the predominant evolutionary form in our galaxy. </tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>then it opened its hands which were clasped in front of it and a
multitude of colors came radiating out of it hands and some of them washed
over its body, replacing the gray cast with more normal colors, and then the
colors it was radiating shifted to incredibly bright white light, that
outshone the sun. at this point my body felt extremely charged with energy
and i began flying over the water towards it. and then i woke up.
</tt>
><tt>**of course this is the penultimate ascension metaphor. remember that the readings have said that each person will have an experience that is the most profoundly meaningful for them when this happens. sounds like you got a "trial run" to see how inspired you would be by this.</tt>
><tt></tt>
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><tt><font face="arial" size="2"></font></tt>
><tt><font face="arial" size="2">- david</font></tt>
><tt>aaron
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[Aaron Elder]

hey david and clark thanks for going out of your way to offer
interpretations on my dream. although i posted the dream only with intention
of sharing it with the group because i thought it was cool, i appreciate
each of your interpretations. in reference to the except below from david's
reading, you know what is wierd is aug. 11 is my birthday.


> **of course this is impossible to have full moon and sun together; they
>can only be 180-degrees apart that way. the key point here is the
>harmonization of the two archetypes of the self, the feminine (moon) and
>masculine (sun.) this is very much related to why the ancients chose the
>aug. 11, 1999 solar eclipse as a key "marker" for this period of time that
>we are now in. reread revelations and you'll see lots of references to the
>"bride and the bridegroom." this is what you're seeing here; the fusion of
>the archetypes in yourself.

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[scorpiochip2002]

dear group, i had a dream the other night i wanted to share.
there were many people in conflict argueing and yelling. i saw no
faces but i think they were palestinians and israelis. i saw their
hearts that were all connected by purple rays. these rays however
were bouncing off their hearts because they had hardened due to
hatred, conflict & anger. the healing rays could not heal their
hardened hearts. there would be no resolution to the conflict-no
peace. that was the message of the dream & it is certainly no great
revelation considering all the suicide bombings & rolling tanks in
bethlehem. that was my dream. has anyone else had any dreams
regarding the israeli/palestine conflict? larry

[Tiffani Boswell]

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><font face="arial" color="#800080" size="2">hello....</font>
><font face="arial" color="#800080" size="2">i have beent rying to help a friend with her dream...we have searched everywhere and thought about it...</font>
><font face="arial" color="#800080" size="2">first it is recurring...and it was once or twice a week for a few months so far....</font>
><font face="arial" color="#800080" size="2">any help would be appreciated...and i learn each time...</font>
><font face="arial" color="#800080" size="2">like i remember david talking about fireworks significance, so that has already helped me with this one as it starts at 4th of july with fireworks...</font>
><font face="arial" color="#800080" size="2">here it is:</font>
><font face="arial" color="#800080" size="2"></font>
>


<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: en-us; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa">it is 4^th of july and all of my close family and friends are together at a park. the fire works are going off and i have this sudden need to go get something out of the car (i am pretty sure it is out of my parents van). my boyfriend asked to go with me, but i told him to stay there and enjoy the fireworks and that i would be right back. he asked me two or three times more if he could walk with me and each time i told him it would be ok and that i would only be a minute. i am walking towards the parking garage where the car is parked and it is very dark and right before i can get into the stairwell i am grabbed by a man dressed in black. i can never see his face but i remember he smelt really bad. he violently raped me and then stabbed me, finally slitting my throat to kill me. the dream was quite long. the rape was what i really remember, the murder was more so the finale. the first time it happened, it was as if it was through my eyes. the subsequent times i had the dream i was seeing it from above. i could still feel everything that was happening to me but each time after that when i told jonathan to not come with me, i was like screaming at myself to let him go because i knew what was going to happen. but i couldn?t hear myself, if that makes any sense. i had this same dream 3 or 4 times a week for about a month and a half. each time i would wake up sobbing and shaking. after the month and a half the dream just stopped, and i haven?t had it since.</span></p>


<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: en-us; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa"><font face="arial" color="#800080" size="2">makes you wanna say hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm</font></span></p>


<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: en-us; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa"><font face="arial" color="#800080" size="2">love tiffani</font></span></p>

[David Wilcock]

from: tiffani boswell


hello....
i have beent rying to help a friend with her dream...we have searched
everywhere and thought about it...
first it is recurring...and it was once or twice a week for a few months so
far....
any help would be appreciated...and i learn each time...

dw: this type of issue is not appropriate for a discussion group, since
those who might have been through such experiences would be heavily
triggered by simply reading this account, and could be extremely disturbed
by any insensitive comments that might inadvertently spring up afterwards.
please keep participating, tiffani, as i very much appreciate your presence.
i just request that anyone commenting on this dream do so privately with
tiffani, as frankly not everyone here can discuss this maturely enough to be
sensitive to a survivor.

this type of thing is in a category by itself and i have worked with enough
survivors to know what we could potentially be getting into here. it would
be totally inappropriate to speculate as to the meaning of such a horrific
violation of the core of the human soul, even if it only occurred in the
dream state. i am grateful, for your friend's sake, that these dreams have
stopped and certainly hope that it is only a metaphor for something else. if
i were her i would not do anything outside my comfort and safety zone on the
upcoming july 4th holiday, just in case.

peace be with you -

- david

[Tiffani Boswell]

i have looked all over the internet or else i wouldn't ask "another" question...

but i understand the car analogy as self and life in dreams...

what if you dream of someone elses car doing something...not in it...

was talking to someone on the phone in my dream ( i thought for the first ten
sentences of the conversation that i had woken up because someone had
called...because in the dream i was lying in my bed and thought it was a real
conversation...heard the voice etc...) and then realized i was dreaming and then
all of a sudden was "there" with this person in their car...
we were in it...had some sort of energy exchange...which i rejected at
first...but then accepted and got this crazy picture...that i can't describe,
but positive...and then we were out of it...and i
just watched it (the emergency break wasn't up) watched it roll backwards in a
cuddlesack onto a drive way roll out...the owner sort of tried to get to
it...but after a few times...it hit and shattered...not into car wreck...but
into a thousand little pieces...everywhere...
and that is when i came into the picture to help pick them up....off the
street...all the little pieces...


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[Tony P.]

i'm not an expert, and this is just my opinion i'll state.
sounds like it could refer to the economy, and survival. for if one
person is hit economically hard, others will be there to help pick up
the pieces. just a guess. like to hear if i am close if at all from
the experts who may end up replying to your posts.

--- in asc2k@y..., "tiffani boswell" <tiffani@2...> wrote:
> i have looked all over the internet or else i wouldn't
ask "another" question...
>
> but i understand the car analogy as self and life in dreams...
>
> what if you dream of someone elses car doing something...not in
it...
>
> was talking to someone on the phone in my dream ( i thought for the
first ten sentences of the conversation that i had woken up because
someone had called...because in the dream i was lying in my bed and
thought it was a real conversation...heard the voice etc...) and then
realized i was dreaming and then all of a sudden was "there" with
this person in their car...
> we were in it...had some sort of energy exchange...which i rejected
at first...but then accepted and got this crazy picture...that i
can't describe, but positive...and then we were out of it...and i
> just watched it (the emergency break wasn't up) watched it roll
backwards in a cuddlesack onto a drive way roll out...the owner sort
of tried to get to it...but after a few times...it hit and
shattered...not into car wreck...but into a thousand little
pieces...everywhere...
> and that is when i came into the picture to help pick them
up....off the street...all the little pieces...

[tobbe jansson]

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[Mawk]

hi tiffini,

from my experience cars can represent the physical or other subtle bodies in
the astral. leaving your car means leaving one body behind usually to access
a higher vibration and hence dimension. the number of car dreams i have had
in the last 12 months are to many to count but i promise i have not crashed
any. in fact in one dream i was given an allowance to up grade cars. who
ever it was that informed me spent quite some time convincing me that
upgrading was worthwhile.

you used the term "cuddlesack" which doesn't translate for this naive
australian. could you mean "cul-de-sac" and dare i say it a freudian slip
has transpired:-)

cheers,

mawk

ps still have not finished the essay but if you would like a copy i will
e-mail it to you privately when i finish.

8, 15, 10, 11, 3.......38

[Tiffani Boswell]

>
> you used the term "cuddlesack" which doesn't translate for this naive
> australian. could you mean "cul-de-sac" and dare i say it a freudian slip
> has transpired:-)

ha ha! you could be right...considering who the dream was about...and you
would understand this but didn't want to say it to the list...but i was in
the driver's seat of the car...and he leaned in to kiss me and i pushed back
and i felt his "energy" all up and down coming towards me and i yielded and
i got this figure eight type picture with our arms and heads...very hard to
describe but i "see" it...anyway...it was positive...

any insight onto it being "another" persons car...i distinctly felt it was
his car...that sort of obliterated or whatever, that i was picking up the
pieces...or is that probably a part of me???

>
>>
> ps still have not finished the essay but if you would like a copy i will
> e-mail it to you privately when i finish.
>
i would still love to read that essay :)
peace
tiffani

[Jeremy Weiland]

> any insight onto it being "another" persons car...i
> distinctly felt it was his car...that sort of
> obliterated or whatever, that i was picking up the
> pieces...or is that probably a part of me???

well, as you have said, a car is usually a symbol for
an aspect of the spiritual journey. the fact that it
belongs to a different character would, to me, simply
mean that it is an aspect of your spiritual progress
that he represents. it's still about you - just a
part of yourself that you do not identify with. what
were your default feelings toward the character? and
how did his actions make you feel? because since
these are aspects of self, they are not going to be
cut and dry psychologically identifiable parts of you.
the dreams communicate via feelings because it is the
feelings that help you identify different aspects of
the self; you could think of the different feelings as
"names" almost of the different facets of the
personality.

now here's the interesting part. once you realize
that all the characters in a dream are different
aspects of you, you achieve a basis for interpreting
your dreams in a given context. and once you realize
that _feelings_ are the identifiers how these
different aspects of self, you have a language, or a
sort of symbolic representation system, with which you
can analyze the self on different terms than what
you're consciously used to. (i.e. a distortion that
is tuned to what the higher self wants you to see, as
opposed to a distortion that is tuned to what your
conscious, limited self wants to see)

and then, once you integrate these different feelings,
you will realize that this same principle of different
characters representing aspects of the self through
the feelings they catalyze, that same principle is at
work in our everyday, waking lives. our interactions
with people are no different than in dreams - they are
reflecting back to us parts of us, and we either
accept them or we don't. and the feelings that we get
in response to different situations are flags for
either integrated or unintegrated aspects of the self.


whether you're asleep or awake, the truth never
changes - we are all one. so there truly is no
difference between dream and reality - they both
function according to the same principles (see fred
alan wolf's work concerning the similarities between
quantum physics and dreams). so the principles of
lucid dreaming really apply not only to dreams but
also to waking life, because our sum total of
experience is always always always with self.

l/l

jeremy

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[Zoe]

i wanted to post my dream of last night in case others here may have had
something similar and/or might possibly have had a taste of 5th dimensional
living and recognize it.

i dreamed i was with some sort of being, a teacher, and we were light-heartedly
talking about some sort of physical action having to do with legs that could be
done in various ways. this teacher was causally removing the action of the
legs, itself, as if this action or movement were a "thing." i was fascinated
that this could be done. i remember thinking that one can separate out from the
background, a cup, or a keyboard, but how does one separate out the action of
lifting the cup or tapping the keys? and yet it was done as if it were nothing
special. as in most dreams of this nature, i "understood" a whole lot more
during the dream than i did upon awakening. any comments? thanks.

zoe


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[Jeremy Weiland]

> this teacher was causally removing the action of
> the legs, itself, as if this action or movement were

> a "thing." i was fascinated that this could be
> done. i remember thinking that one can separate out

> from the background, a cup, or a keyboard, but how
> does one separate out the action of lifting the cup
> or tapping the keys? and yet it was done as if it
> were nothing special. as in most dreams of this
> nature, i "understood" a whole lot more during the
> dream than i did upon awakening. any comments?

wow. that is... bizzare. what was your reaction to
the teacher? was he saying anything? any other
details?

on the surface it looks like a way of saying how
things can be "shut down" quite easily.

l/l

jeremy

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[Zoe]

wow. that is... bizzare. what was your reaction to
the teacher? was he saying anything? any other
details?

on the surface it looks like a way of saying how
things can be "shut down" quite easily.

l/l

jeremy

the teacher may have been a male or female. i didn't sense any particular
gender. it was simply a friendly, light-hearted discussion, as if i were
visiting some school and we had both got caught up in a discussion about
"possibilities." the interesting thing was that there was no "shutting down."
the action of the legs continued. it's so hard to explain since i was looking,
not at the legs themselves, but of their "action" or "movement." the legs
themselves continued to bend and move in various positions, and the teacher
would "lift" the movement itself up from the legs, as if it were a "thing" like
the legs were "things," and place it over on the side. let's say a somewhat
comparable idea might be someone taking a bit of fire from the fireplace. it
continues to move and glow, yet has been separated from its original source.

after i woke up i had this thought: let's say we all know everything is
"one." we can't see this because we are in the 3rd dimension. but if we were
in the 2nd dimension instead, we would really see it because there would be a
flat picture of "life." in that context, you could "lift" a "piece" of that
flat picture out of the whole and look at it. to do that, though, you'd have to
be not of the 2nd dimension. you could only do it from the third. so perhaps
in order to do that with a third dimensional picture, as the teacher did, you'd
have to be in the 4th or 5th dimension?

zoe



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[Lesley Schultz]

dear jeremy, and beloved brothers and sisters:

--- jeremy weiland <greenlantern113@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=k6slgu_kwlgcv3ytck7pcszr8reln4doijrzwk z-4tjauas7nvbbregpi5anc2d78y0vbaoahaqmt8pulvxv)> wrote:
> [snip]> wow. that is... bizzare. > on the surface
it looks like a way of saying how
> things can be "shut down" quite easily.
>
i had kind of an interesting dream a few nights ago.
i was trying to contemplate how one could make a
connection with intelligent infinity to communicate
with rocks, trees, objects, etc. before i fell asleep.
when i dreamed, i think i was shown the answer. we
know that, as we are moving forwards into 4d, we are
more sentitive to other people's/being's feelings and
thoughts, etc. the veil, as it were, between our
sense of each other is thinning out. as we move
forwards into our next stages, this veil will get
thinner and thinner, as if we can sense more
increasingly the parts of the creator [and thus, our
selves] in more and more areas. this includes things
we have described in 3d as inanimate.

it's not exactly like, for example, asking a family
member or a housemate to help remove an overly-tight
cap from a ketchup bottle, but more like being able to
"see" the relationships between the ketchup bottle
molecules and communicate our desire with them to get
the cap off. this will be by merging our awareness
with the bottle, in a way. we will "see" in a sort of
mind's-eye, or third-eye way, the way the universe
relates to each other, and this understanding creates
the pathway.

i was also shown why we [or maybe just i] can't do
this right now. i was looking at my room, with my
"third eye", but the picture had a lot of static, like
it was just a bit out of phase. when i am "in phase",
i will be able to begin to communicate with the world
around me in a very different way than i do now. we
really can't do it in 3d, because the purpose of 3d is
to learn the ways of love and without this, it will
not be possible to communicate with the "non-animate"
universe.

there are some people who are able to do this in a
limited way, sometimes through much effort, or a
natural gift or through an almost cellular-memory of a
previous existence elsewhere, but this is the
exception and not the rule.

i think entering 4d will be like entering a whole
'nother universe of possibilities. how exciting!!!

but you know, dreams are weird. it might not mean
that much, but i remembered it because it felt like a
real important step forward in my understanding.

~lesley




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[Chris Hamilton]

i have never asked for others to interpret my dreams. but, then again, i haven't
had a dream quite like this for a long time:) that i would tell a whole bunch of
people:). here goes. .

i am moving into this house, but it is really familiar. it is a dream i had a
long time ago about this house with two kitchens and two family rooms. all the
rooms are duplicates, only one is somewhat smaller than the other. in my dream i
am aware of this. the first kitchen is old, and as i look at the fireplace it
turns into many woodburning-like stoves (at least six or seven) and they all
ignite together. the heat runs like a volcanoe's lava down the sides. i realize
that the house is haunted and stand with the others (don't know who 'they' are)
in a circle, because i know the house is haunted and we need to chant. it is
here that i see all the stoves have turned into one ordinary fireplace (i
perceived wrong, gads). we join hands and i ask the entity of the house to
reveal itself and we hear a deep 'om' sound-everyone in the circle is freaked
but me. the house had many more secrets later...another story. ok, guys, help.
chris


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[dinesh khandelwal]

chris,the house is your body in which the astral is returnning?dinesh.

chris hamilton <chris.hamilton2@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=hybqudk1suctuhv66drqbhjxcgoqk_qcdi6vvl lbakcbxam-vdyfms8hhqs7rg5qdd6x3h_txyj-zh2tls07-4u2)> wrote:i have never asked for others
to interpret my dreams. but, then again, i haven't had a dream quite like this
for a long time:) that i would tell a whole bunch of people:). here goes. .

i am moving into this house, but it is really familiar. it is a dream i had a
long time ago about this house with two kitchens and two family rooms. all the
rooms are duplicates, only one is somewhat smaller than the other. in my dream i
am aware of this. the first kitchen is old, and as i look at the fireplace it
turns into many woodburning-like stoves (at least six or seven) and they all
ignite together. the heat runs like a volcanoe's lava down the sides. i realize
that the house is haunted and stand with the others (don't know who 'they' are)
in a circle, because i know the house is haunted and we need to chant. it is
here that i see all the stoves have turned into one ordinary fireplace (i
perceived wrong, gads). we join hands and i ask the entity of the house to
reveal itself and we hear a deep 'om' sound-everyone in the circle is freaked
but me. the house had many more secrets later...another story. ok, guys, help.
chris


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[Dinesh]

hi chris,

a hint-you are in the astral form and the house is your body?

dinesh.
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wrote:
> i have never asked for others to interpret my dreams. but, then
again, i haven't had a dream quite like this for a long time:) that i
would tell a whole bunch of people:). here goes. .
>
> i am moving into this house, but it is really familiar. it is a
dream i had a long time ago about this house with two kitchens and
two family rooms. all the rooms are duplicates, only one is somewhat
smaller than the other. in my dream i am aware of this. the first
kitchen is old, and as i look at the fireplace it turns into many
woodburning-like stoves (at least six or seven) and they all ignite
together. the heat runs like a volcanoe's lava down the sides. i
realize that the house is haunted and stand with the others (don't
know who 'they' are) in a circle, because i know the house is haunted
and we need to chant. it is here that i see all the stoves have
turned into one ordinary fireplace (i perceived wrong, gads). we join
hands and i ask the entity of the house to reveal itself and we hear
a deep 'om' sound-everyone in the circle is freaked but me. the house
had many more secrets later...another story. ok, guys, help. chris
>
>
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[Dave M.]

hi chris,

interesting dream...i am usually able to interpret my own dreams very easily,
but can run into
difficulty when analyzing dreams of others who i don't know intimately. so keep
this in mind as i
take a crack at your dream:

the house could be: your body, consciousness, or belief system
the duplicate rooms could represent: duality, polarity, the 2 hemispheres of
your brain
that 1 of the rooms is smaller than the other: you hold one of these in higher
regard than the
other or exercise one more than the other

the fire: perhaps this is some passion or anger within that is
contained/controlled in the
fireplace, but you see it as being out of control and being more than it is
(hence as many stoves
with heat that runs like a volcano's lava down the sides).

>i realize that the house is haunted and stand with the others (don't know who
'they' are) in a
circle, >because i know the house is haunted and we need to chant....everyone in
the circle is
freaked but me.

this repression of anger or passion haunts you, the others may be voices of your
inner child (they
are afraid)...you need to chant with them: to come together with them (to be
one with them) to
resolve what is haunting your house.

...just some possibilities to contemplate

love, dave

[Chris Hamilton]

thank you dinesh and dave,

i had some idea the stoves could be the chakras, and the house aspects of my
self, but i still have no idea what it is trying to tell me :) then again,
maybe it was the tempura that night :) chris

[Serenidade "Sábia]

i only post this dream, as normally i can discern the meaning through dream
dictionaries, contemplation, etc. but this one had ascension metaphors...and i
always read you guys having those...but have never had one. so it is not like i
can go look up "light body" or "ascension" in my dream dictionary :)

so i am putting it out there...

it is in pieces (more feelings left than actual words remembered)

but i was with a group of people and something started to happen...like
ascensionish...we were walking through rooms and halls being ushered sort of ...
and i was looking for one person 1/2 half excited but 1/2 apprehensious of this
person if they were there. and i found him. he was way calmer sort of
expectant of me finding him vibe than i thought and we ended up in this room
being briefed? and i sat next to him all curled up and he was telling me alot
that i don't remember (but the feeling was sort of. "of course i would be here
with you, of course i feel the same connectionishness" something like
that...just sort of loving and confident ...definitely not as i was...i was
feeling relieved to be there with him and comforted loved...)
we were watching videos where people were walking and clothes were left on the
ground...but i got the feeling those people had disentagrated? not ascended?
and there was one point a child looking in a window and then instead of walking
away sort of took off like superman
then the pencil started to dissappear? and clothes, and i said "it is starting"
and skin was turning into light bodies, and even though i could see out i could
not really focus on others and identify who they were...but this guy from above,
reached out and took my hand even though they were both invisible/light bodied
hands and i felt secure again knowing i was with him.(like if youlookd directly
really hard you could see them but other than that no) and it was like this
whole group of light was moving down these halls.

ok :) have fun....

does it matter that the guy i will see tonight and saw once two weeks ago but
before that none in five years. have a misunderstood connection with, with
alittle nervousness/apprehension what he will say think?


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[Chris]

hi serenidade,

i have to say that your idea of the dream as an ascension dream rings true here
to me. the male figure that you see looks to me like the the male aspect of you,
bringing you up-to-date on what is going on. the pencil-possibly showing you
that written communication won't be needed, our thoughts will whisk away like
that small child, so free and flowing. maybe just subtlely your friend may have
snuck into that dream, but i think that it was this friend's attributes and
qualities and you projected them into your male part in the dream. the "guy" who
reached from above is completely different than your male side, probably your
higher self just lending a hand :) great dream, yes. i think what happens with
dreams we interpret as "ascension" is a feeling of great vastness, infinity kind
of. everything seems very huge in them even tho there is no real 'space'. also,
this could have had earthly connotations on another subtle level-by this i mean
you may have sensed what is happening to humanity (some disintegrating, some
whisking away, some light bodies). hope this helped, chris

[Janet Landers]

hello all....thanks for the stimulating insights. i wanted to share a dream i
had last night. i had forgotten that i'd had similar dreams in the past. i was
engaging my husband with a gift of a very large frond of a plant, which he found
amusing. so, i set off to put it in water and began a nighttime trek alongside
the ohio river, where i used to live. but it was in the sky that i became
transfixed. there were obvious ships, barely trying to conceal their presence
behind a cloud.....mostly they were so high up as to be more in space, and there
was a lot of activity. ( in dreams past, i would be witnessing the star wars as
they were being played out, having a sick feeling in my stomach as to the
outcome, which i couldn't tell )

i kept walking until i knew i was entering a quarantined area......it was an
alien colony, but they were totally human in appearance, and much flustered with
me being there....i offered my plant frond, and remained very calm, and they
were able to let go of their concerns about how i got there.

after waking, i could "feel" the other alien dreams i'd forgotten
about......knowing it is a recurring theme, and i travel to a distinct place for
these.

thanks for letting me share.....
janet


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[GenoNess1@...]

wow janet! thank you for sharing. it sounds like you have found a process for
connection with other individual entities. that could be very useful for your
continued spiritual growth! quite an opportunity. i had a dream last night
too, perhaps ill start a thread about it. love, me!


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[Bernard Gehring]

hello all:
i would like to share a dream i had the other night that had what i
think to be a significant message to me and perhaps some of you as
well.

i was a part of this outside group that was deciding whether to join
this other group or not. we were discussing certain principals with
this group and i remember being angry, not coming to blows but
certainly dissatisfied with what was being discussed between us.

it was decided by my group that we would not join but the only other
option seemed to be to join a third group that agreed more with our
principals. we all then crossed a street or whatever, to sign up for
membership. i remember that i was the last to sign but one of the
requirements of joining was to give up all of our possessions to
this new group.
i remember feeling that i wanted to be a member but this requirement
was just too much.
the dream promptly ended.

ok, not much detail here but the message, to me, was quite clear.
maybe i'm reading too much into this but i feel that the group i was
arguing with was representing those from the material world. the
group we were joining were those who had already decided to give up
personal issues and possessions for the good of all. my group was
caught somewhere in between but had decided to move towards
the "good of all" group.

now it didn't seem too hard to figure out that this message was
given to me to bring to my attention that i may soon have to make a
choice, one which i clearly haven't made to this point. i admit that
i have contemplated this idea but it had never been brought to my
attention in such a clear and abrupt way. it really got me thinking.

so i began to wonder if this may be the scenario that we all may be
confronted with if there is a so called rapture to take place.

i need some help here even to confirm if i am on the right track, or
not.

peace love and ever brightening light to all:

b.j.gehring

ps: 10:10 popping up all the time now.

[Gail Sherman]

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hello all:
i would like to share a dream i had the other night that had what i
think to be a significant message to me and perhaps some of you as
well. i remember that i was the last to sign but one of the
requirements of joining was to give up all of our possessions to
this new group. i remember feeling that i wanted to be a member but

this requirement was just too much. the dream promptly ended.

ok, not much detail here but the message, to me, was quite clear.
maybe i'm reading too much into this but i feel that the group i was
arguing with was representing those from the material world. the
group we were joining were those who had already decided to give up
personal issues and possessions for the good of all. my group was
caught somewhere in between but had decided to move towards
the "good of all" group.

so i began to wonder if this may be the scenario that we all may be
confronted with if there is a so called rapture to take place.

peace love and ever brightening light to all:

b.j.gehring

me:for the last 2 yrs. i have had an urge to simplify my life by getting rid
of "stuff" i didn't use or need. it not only cluttered up my space but my
mind as well. the message has come through to me loud and clear "what is
supposed to be mine will come to me," and it has. my sister has been
reciving the same message also. jesus said "where your treasure is there
will be your heart also."

material things that we need are like water they flow in and they flow out.
this is how it is supposed to be. we know that this world has the ability
to feed everyone on the planet yet millions are dying of starvation because
of the greed for more money and power.








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[Tony P.]

i'm responding to what gail said below. the part about space and
mind. this is just a comment i'd like to make. 'couldn't we take the
physical world, environment, as a reflection of our mind? isn't it in
our mind in the first place?'

(note to moderator: if this post isn't accepted, i'd like to discuss
how i could better word it.)

> me:for the last 2 yrs. i have had an urge to simplify my life by
getting rid
> of "stuff" i didn't use or need. it not only cluttered up my space
but my
> mind as well. the message has come through to me loud and

[James Holmes]

hi tony, et al,

you wrote: "'couldn't we take the
physical world, environment, as a reflection of our mind? isn't it in
our mind in the first place?'"

the dzogchen buddhists carry on a lanyard around their neck a small metal
mirror, to remind themselves of that fact.

jim


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[GenoNess1@...]

in a message dated 7/1/2004 4:50:26 am pacific daylight time,
doomstars@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=ptvwfj0wyxf1c83ms_sjy9vm1kn4ex0yigyi4r epxmnnoitb0z1a7lwtqn3ni6hkcsdyj1ax-i7w8tqcmw) writes:
'couldn't we take the
physical world, environment, as a reflection of our mind? isn't it in
our mind in the first place?'


> me:for the last 2 yrs. i have had an urge to simplify my life by
getting rid of "stuff" i didn't use or need. it not only cluttered
up my space but my mind as well. the message has come through to me
oud and

there is something i wrote about recently in an e-mail to a friend all about
this particular idea. i will post it and see if it gets through to the list.
>>>

>>>> write me an e-mail with your opinion on how i should co-exist with the
material objects in my life...like they seem unnecisarry...the decorations and
clothes that sit and collect dust but for some reason i cant part with
them,,,....also, not being able to get rid of them makes me feel overwhelmed
with things to cleen and observe and they seem useless and i could better spend
money on food or cifts if i sold it all...ahh!!! <<<<<

well my first thoughts are...my opinion doesnt matter...all i can do is tell
you how i see things and you have a choice with what to do with that....i'm
only gonna tell you crap you already know anyways...they say enlightenment is
closer than your skin. i know thats' true. they say that enlightenment is
already done. i know that is true too. but my ego has a problem with it.thats
how it is for just about everyone i think. ok next...you wonder how you should
co-exist with your objects...well the first logical thing would be to change
your perception about stuff...then you change the relationship, and you co-exist
in a different way.

you know the saying, you dont own the things you own, they own you. well this
can seem pretty oppresive at first. let me explain my take on this.
everything that you choose to bring into your life, is a part of you - that is,
that which you choose to surround yourself with, not only physically, but
spiritually, emotionally, etc...everything, is an expression of who you are.
with me on that? and if you want to really ground that understanding, think of
it the other way - from those things' perspectives - you are a part of them.
this is probably most easily understood in terms of a relationship - friend,
boyfriend,etc. you share this space in each others existance, and that
relationship that you share, binds you together. you are one in the same on some
level. ok i might have gone a little too far there, but im jsut trying to make a
point - we surround ourselves with expressions of ourselves, in order to further
understand and know who we are. so you ahve to look around, and think, what of
this stuff is really something that expresses who i am? what is it that most
helps to remind me of my true nature? now i am willing to bet, that that shelf
of mushrooms and foreign soda cans and sparkly things that you have had for
years, is a trickster. i bet it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling. but you have to
understand, that this feeling only comes from the past - it reminds you that you
know who you were. if you were to free yourself of things that are expressions
of who you were, then you would find yourself with a lot of extra freedom,
concerning who you are and will be. think of how great you could be, selling the
stuff you know so much about, and have so much energy shared with. you could
talk it up like its your children, because it practically is.

the overwhelming feeling, and the attachment to your things, i think, is from
the fact that you have allowed these things, that express who you are, to be
so much a part of yourself, that you feel you will be losing something if you
lose the things. but just know that expressions of your self are not the
origin - they are the end. you, the being, are the means to that end. nothing is
lost that was never truly there. these things are just illusions to remind you
that you are your own walking taking truth. hope this stuff makes sense to you.
i had a good time writing it. love, me!


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[mawk]

dear zee,

thank you for your insights they are very much valued. i will make note of
those two leads you shared and endeavour to follow them in the next month or
so. i also received your parcel but have yet to properly explore its
contents. this is one of the first items on my agenda when i finish my
degree on the 13th november:-)

i did a little work on stem cells generally last semester. it took me down
the path of exploring hydrocephalus. an interesting article by john lorber
(1980), science, 210, p 1232-1234, titled "is your brain really necessary?"
was very illuminating. i suspect you probably know about this anatomical
phenomena where the cerebrospinal fluid takes over the area where the cortex
should be. in one case "instead of the normal 4.5 centimeter thickness of
brain tissue between the ventricles and the cortical surface, there was just
a thin layer of mantle measuring a millimeter or so". this person who in
effect had no brain had an iq of 127 and first class honours in mathematics!
interestingly the boundary of the blood-brain barrier is one of only three
known naturally occurring sources of where adult stem cells are found. it
seems that those who have a slow onset of hydrocephalus are least likely to
have obvious side effects. from memory it is important to appreciate how
growth factor works in tandem with stem cells and this relationship may be
the reason behind critical periods for brain development.

another article on this area that may be of interest is by van lommel, van
wees and elfferich (2001). "near-death experience in survivors of cardiac
arrest: a prospective study in the netherlands, the lancet, 358, p
2039-2045.

there is more to the platypus symbolism too when looked at from the
aboriginal interpretation and this ties in very neatly with another part of
david's reading for me. i might share that later if others seem interested.

cheers,

mawk

ps chris i hope you will excuse me for retaining the dead text but i find it
much easier to relocate these references from my outbox rather than my
indox. thanks in advance.

> in the books, by michael newton, ph.d., where and when he regresses people
to theta state, which takes extra time and effort, he is able to read the
effects of the period after death / before birth. he describes the fact that
some of the people he has so regressed actually work at the processes of
creation, between lives.
>
> when the reading from david indicates that you have been contemplating mud
puppies, perhaps that is an area of regenerative creation in which you have
an interest.
>
> have you read robert o. becker's works, the body electric and cross
currents? dr. becker deals with embryoinc regeneration via blastemal cells
being the same as regenerative cells (undifferentiated). this is highly
relevant to your academic studies and to mine.
>
> i have been contemplating the relationship to these blatemal studies and
to accupuncture. the source experiences of accupuncture are from experiences
when wounds caused remission of various illnesses. little by little, they
recorded which wounds healed which illnesses. they methodically plotted this
information. finally the wounds became so minor (accupuncture points) that
they were a point, but with a wound comes the formation of a regenerative
signal: which means undifferentiated blastemal cells. this, in turn may have
an effect upon the oscillating currents of aether to zero point energy,
compressing and expanding.

[ZPC]

dear mawk:
zee here:
thanks for sharing your dream.

in the books, by michael newton, ph.d., where and when he regresses people to
theta state, which takes extra time and effort, he is able to read the effects
of the period after death / before birth. he describes the fact that some of the
people he has so regressed actually work at the processes of creation, between
lives.

when the reading from david indicates that you have been contemplating mud
puppies, perhaps that is an area of regenerative creation in which you have an
interest.

have you read robert o. becker's works, the body electric and cross currents?
dr. becker deals with embryoinc regeneration via blastemal cells being the same
as regenerative cells (undifferentiated). this is highly relevant to your
academic studies and to mine.

i have been contemplating the relationship to these blatemal studies and to
accupuncture. the source experiences of accupuncture are from experiences when
wounds caused remission of various illnesses. little by little, they recorded
which wounds healed which illnesses. they methodically plotted this information.
finally the wounds became so minor (accupuncture points) that they were a point,
but with a wound comes the formation of a regenerative signal: which means
undifferentiated blastemal cells. this, in turn may have an effect upon the
oscillating currents of aether to zero point energy, compressing and expanding.

i hope this stimulates you to further investigation,

warms,
zee

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