contradictory ?

[dimelement]

hello , i am reading Ra Material again and i saw this today,
i don't know if it has been addresed before here but here it goes :

http://lawofone.info/results.php?category=Harvest&sc=1

6.19
Ra: I am Ra. The harvesting is not yet, thus, estimation is meaningless.

14.14
Ra: I am Ra. The harvest is now. There is not at this time any reason to include efforts along these distortions toward longevity,...

any thoughts ?

[yossarian]

scale, and context

The first question was answering "how many will be harvested" and the answer is quite truly that we won't know until it happens.

The second question was answering, "Should we research stuff that will give humans long life?" and the answer was basically a poetic way to say, "No. That will not produce great results in enlightenment, since the harvest is only 30 years away."

In the second context they were talking on the scale of lifetimes, centuries, millenia. And on that kind of scale, the harvest is indeed "now"

In the first context they were asking specifically how many would be harvested when the time comes in 30 years and Ra replied in a round-a-bout way to say that we won't know until it happens.

If you are curious about the question, "Does Ra say that the harvest occur at one specific point, or is spread out over time?" The answer is emphatically that Ra says "a specific moment".

Holding this to be true, as things do look that way, there is evidence to suggest that just because it is a discrete moment does not mean it will be a jarring moment. Objectively speaking, while it will happen at a discrete moment in linear time, it will be subjectively experienced by every human in their own individual subjective way and each person's particular experience will be designed specifically to meet the needs of their own consciousness.

This information however is not gleaned from Ra but other sources - in particular the event that David's brother experienced where he was spoken to directly by a light-being.

[transiten]

Hi dimelement

There's another thread adressing contradictions in the RA-material "What are the pit-falls of the Ra Material", check it out.

Liliane

[dimelement]

Thank you both , i know see what Ra meant.
is kinda hard for me to understand they way is written,
that's why i asked for your help.

thank you again :)

[Earthcat]

is kinda hard for me to understand they way is written.


Also I have read from many sources that it is hard for them to communicate "down" to our words.

[SuperManny]

Dimelement, you can always find discrepencies in any material, if that's what you're looking for. It's a simple, basic, universal law; "Seek, and you shall find." I even have a book entitled "101 contradictions in the Bible" and it gives the reader exactly that. However this doesn't mean the Bible is wrong or bad; just look at how many people have been helped by those holy words.

I started studying the Law of One over 10 years ago, and I've seen a lot of people try and find fault with it, and it seems like far less people are trying to find correlations than those looking for contradictions. Strange ... ...

It's not always easy for Ra to take universal truths and concepts, and try to boil them down to fit into our paradoxical 3D reality to make sense to our 3D, linear, logical thinking. Paradox and duality are the very nature of 3D reality, because it's the place where we choose our path; the only place where you see STO and STS together. Every single quality that you find here will also have it's opposite here, but not always in plain sight.

Yossarian, thank you for your excellent, clear and concise explanation, it shows a very good understanding of the LoO. :)

[dimelement]

"Contradictory" was an unfortunate term out of my haste to understand
what Ra tries to say, i certainly don't try to find "faults", for me Ra material
is one of the very few credible channeled materials up to date.

[SuperManny]

"Contradictory" was an unfortunate term out of my haste to understand
what Ra tries to say, i certainly don't try to find "faults", for me Ra material
is one of the very few credible channeled materials up to date.Thank you for clarifying. I wasn't really trying to insinuate anything like that, but I just re-read my post and it did sound just a bit harsh. I didn't mean to be; I was only trying to make a couple of points; Firstly, that 6D (or any higher) realities and truths don't always translate effectively and well into 3D words. And secondly that you will generally find what you are looking for, whether you're looking for contradictions or collaborations. It's generally referred to as "data mining" in modern terms, or as the bible puts it, the law of "Seek, and you shall find".

[jeremy6d]

I think there are a number of ways to respond to discrepencies within the Ra material:

1. Disregard ideas that are confusing. If there are contradictions in aspects of the teaching Ra has done, and the material is *otherwise* helpful, I'd rather people dispense with that which is unhelpful than dispense with the material wholesale.

2. Ponder the paradox. Contradiction implies premises we've adopted which may not in fact be true. To the extent that the contradiction gets you thinking - even if the result of that thinking is to reject the ideas totally - it has performed a useful function. And often there is great learning involved in reconciling seemingly contradictory truths.

3. Factor in the circumstances at the time of the statement. The Ra material was not dictated under completely isolated, emotionally static conditions. Looking at the date of the reading would give one clues as to how accurate the statement was likely to be based on the condition of the channeling group at that time. As a GENERAL rule with numerous exceptions, I'd weigh later material over earlier material because the group was much more tuned as they progressed, and earlier distortions were contradicted.

Hope this helps!

[soup]

I wonder if there are opportune time periods within which activities of a "harvest" nature can take place with lower distortion than as within other time periods. I wonder if there is some natural cycle within the cycle that is more analog in nature than say some digital on/off function.


soup

[soup]

Is harvest is related to violet ray activity, then it seems that a person who consciously strives to be violet ray active/expressive may have some better chance of experiencing what harvest is about...


soup

[3D Sunset]

scale, and context

Holding this to be true, as things do look that way, there is evidence to suggest that just because it is a discrete moment does not mean it will be a jarring moment. Objectively speaking, while it will happen at a discrete moment in linear time, it will be subjectively experienced by every human in their own individual subjective way and each person's particular experience will be designed specifically to meet the needs of their own consciousness.



This is an interesting premise, but contrary to my interpretation of at least some of Ra's words. For example:

Book II Session 48

"Upon the bodily complex death, as you call this transition, the entity will immediately, upon realization of its state, return to the indigo form-maker body and rest therein until the proper future placement is made.

Here we have the anomaly of harvest. In harvest the entity will then transfer its indigo body into violet-ray manifestation as seen in true color yellow. This is for the purpose of gauging the harvestability of the entity. After this anomalous activity has been carefully completed, the entity will move into indigo body again and be placed in the correct true color locus in space/time and time/space at which time the healings and learn/teachings necessary shall be completed and further incarnation needs determined."


From this (and other examples), I understand that the harvest process only takes place after death. Coupled with your assertion that harvest is at a moment in time, it's difficult to understand how it could be something less than a "jarring moment". It is possible, I suppose, that the above description is for those that have died before the moment of harvest, and that others still incarnate may undergo the transfer into violet-ray while in something less than conscious state that is then experienced subjectively according to their needs. This leaves us with the problem, though of a number of 3D entities, some of whom are now harvested (either positive or negative), some of whom were not, still inhabiting a 4D Earth, after the Harvest.

I find it much more likely that some event, or series of event will transpire over a fairly short period of time, (but longer than an instant), say 1-30 years, that will "reap" most of the 3D entities from this fair planet. These will then be measured according to the harvest criteria, and triaged according to the results (4D Positive, 4D negative, or repeat 3D elsewhere). Those entities that are not "reaped" in the above events will be the dual activated 3D / 4D entities and, perhaps, some small set of 3D harvestable entities that will jointly set about healing the planet and ushering in (through evolution) 4D entities, and true 4D existence.

As I see it then, all other current inhabitants of Earth will await rebirth as 4D Positive entities on Earth (or, early on, entities evolving toward 4D bodies), 4D Negative entities on some suitable 4D Negative planet, or 3D entities starting a new 75,000 year cycle on some appropriate 3D planet.

Another possibility, I suppose, is that at the moment of harvest, those harvested entities (4D positive and 4D negative) would be removed from the objective experience of those not harvested, and the remainder would be instantly transported to a copy of Earth to continue their lives along a relatively continuous experiential stream. The missing harvested entities being viewed as having been "raptured", "mysteriously disappeared", or simply forgotten, depending upon the subjective needs of the individual. Although this alternative may be appealing to those that strongly identify with certain Christian traditions or with their 3D instruments, I find it less likely.

All thoughts and comments welcomed,

3D Sunset