Sacred Smut [Archive] - Divine Cosmos Discussions

Tarzan

12-24-2001, 07:31 AM

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>pat,
>
>as usual, your contribution regarding "sacred smut", is outstanding and got my mental juices flowing, pardon the term. hey, it's a juicy subject that is very touchy, so to speak, for too many people. any "offense" only means that the offended, for the most part, are anal-retentive that needs a little bending prodding with the times.
>
>sacred tantric sex is, indeed, a fantastic way to grow in many ways--as designed by the sacred spirit. the whole point of it is to create more energy by blending two opposing, but complimentary, energies together so that the intertwined whole is greater than the sum of the two participants...and three...and four...and. i have been to a number of tantric gatherings in the bay area(california), the home capital of anything wild and weird, and have learned a great deal.
>
>i read in an esoteric text somewhere that the orgasmic energy shoots out into the comos, thusimparting the advanced beings watching the evolution of gaia with vital information. the more intense, deeper and more sacred the sexual union in a moment, the more information imparted--it is all in accord to how intense any sexual union is.
>
>the internet unwittingly became an explosive medium for sexual energies, as pat pointed out, that were repressed in far too many ways in the western society. block the fire and the flames go around; block the water and it also goes around--there is no stopping any natural energy designed by the creator. so rather than criticizing the sexual content in the internet, recognize the extent of the repression of it as measured in the popularity of the xxx content on the web as well as the sheer attraction and hunger for great sexual unions by many.
>
>give pat a hand!
>
>make love, not war.
>
>seth, sui juris

sol72us

12-27-2001, 04:09 PM

there are exceptions to every rule, and it's
important to give credit where credit is due.
this early post called "pornography" is weak
with generalizations, and i apologize if i
offended you by it.

it seems that exploitation of humans, treated
as as a commodity, is common in many industries.
likewise, not all industry heads are evil.

i wish to extend my deepest thanks to those
"porn kings" whom divert their "porn profits"
to good causes, such as freedom of speech,
hi-tech internet technology, stabilizing the
environment, feeding the hungry, healing the
sick, saving the whales, etc.

the ra materials briefly mention "tantric sex",
as a possible means to enlightenment. i'm no
expert on this. my impression is that this
involves postponing ejaculation in order to
prolong an amplified loving meditative state in
which special energy is shared.

in order to obtain this, ejaculation management
skills are needed, possibly developed by
fantasizing to "pornography." in this way, it
seems that "pornography" could be considered
"sacred smut", which when combined with "tantric
masturbation" is a means toward spiritual
enlightenment.

also, "the templar revelation" (lynn picknett
and clive prince, simon and schuster, 1997)
reveals that the secrets of the holy grail
are contained within the images of the female
form. lets give credit where credit is due,
and call smut sacred.

could it be that the proliferation of sacred
smut is an attempt to lift western sexual
repression and promote spiritual enlightenment?
could this actually be an old religion in
disguise?

i apologize if this offends you.
pat

--- in asc2k@y..., sol72us@y... wrote:
> this can be a highly charged topic that i've seen come
> up in this forum occasionally. i offer these points
> in efforts to help those who are struggling to cope
> with it or for you to help others. some cope by strong
> censorship in a similar way that women's faces need to
> be covered in some countries.
>
> 1) this is a market that is fueled by supply and
> demand. the benefactors are not the subjects of the
> materials, the consumers of the materials, or the
> bystanders. the benefactors are the mass media porn
> kings who rake millions creating and distributing it.
>
> 2) this is a gender polarized topic. most women find
> it degrading and men are the main consumers.
>
> 3) the violent aspect of it is present in the broken
> taboos that it violates. the concept of open nakedness
> and public fornication are deviant within most
> cultures. these materials make public these displays.
>
> 4) most of the subjects endanger themselves physically,
> spiritually, and financially. some start off as
> ignorant young children in dire circumstances, and
> after years of abuse, they are left unwanted with no
> real job skills. i would argue that many bear low self
> esteem, feel trapped by the profession, and run a high
> risk of catching disease; not to mention the strain it
> puts on their ability to have close personal relations.
>
> 5) many bystanders are repulsed, especially women.
> in a society largely driven by "comparisonitis", they
> feel a woman who works in this industry degrades all
> women. i call the phenomena where you compare
> yourself to others then try to live up to some
> status quo "comparisonitis." comparisonitis drives
> other markets such as cosmetic surgery and beauty
> products. in the context of these materials, it
> becomes de-humanizing.
>
> 6) most of the consumers are men who are titillated
> by it, create fantasies from it, and masturbate. in
> a repetitive sense, they become a "pavlov dog" that
> provide their own reward by this activity. their
> pavlovian response may be triggered unconsciously
> in certain situations, causing them to behave
> dysfunctional around people who trigger this
> response. the repetitive nature of this activity also
> supports the continued promotion of these materials.
>
> 7) if the intent of it is entertainment, then it is
> some sort of art with a heavy stigma attached. the
> stigma is the associated symbolisms that are breaking
> the taboos. nakedness, suggestive positions, certain
> body parts etc. distinguish this material.
>
> 8) as graphic art, the principles of design apply,
> including color theory. the most popular subjects
> are photogenic. photogenic people have more
> phi pi spiral curve fits.
> yes, the "image of god" is present in porn stars.
> is this a desecration?
> the same mechanisms going into good art are used
> to make these materials.
> if you can recognize this, porn loses power.
>
> 9) the "freedom of speech" right is used along with
> these materials to further their distribution. i
> regard the use of "freedom of speech" here as a means
> to encourage commerce and "service to self". this is
> an affliction that is not specific to this material.
> "freedom of speech" is a fundamental right. indeed
> my sharing these points is also made possible by this
> right. if you are a proponent of censorship, then
> maybe these points should also be censored, i should
> be banned from the group, and you should be living
> in a country where women's faces are covered.

Aaron Elder

12-27-2001, 09:26 PM

the oldest goddesses are fertility symbols, aren't they. at any rate
interesting view of both sides pat.
aaron

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subject: [asc2k] re: sacred smut
date: fri, 28 dec 2001 00:09:08 -0000

there are exceptions to every rule, and it's
important to give credit where credit is due.
this early post called "pornography" is weak
with generalizations, and i apologize if i
offended you by it.

it seems that exploitation of humans, treated
as as a commodity, is common in many industries.
likewise, not all industry heads are evil.

i wish to extend my deepest thanks to those
"porn kings" whom divert their "porn profits"
to good causes, such as freedom of speech,
hi-tech internet technology, stabilizing the
environment, feeding the hungry, healing the
sick, saving the whales, etc.

the ra materials briefly mention "tantric sex",
as a possible means to enlightenment. i'm no
expert on this. my impression is that this
involves postponing ejaculation in order to
prolong an amplified loving meditative state in
which special energy is shared.

in order to obtain this, ejaculation management
skills are needed, possibly developed by
fantasizing to "pornography." in this way, it
seems that "pornography" could be considered
"sacred smut", which when combined with "tantric
masturbation" is a means toward spiritual
enlightenment.

also, "the templar revelation" (lynn picknett
and clive prince, simon and schuster, 1997)
reveals that the secrets of the holy grail
are contained within the images of the female
form. lets give credit where credit is due,
and call smut sacred.

could it be that the proliferation of sacred
smut is an attempt to lift western sexual
repression and promote spiritual enlightenment?
could this actually be an old religion in
disguise?

i apologize if this offends you.
pat

--- in asc2k@y..., sol72us@y... wrote:
> this can be a highly charged topic that i've seen come
> up in this forum occasionally. i offer these points
> in efforts to help those who are struggling to cope
> with it or for you to help others. some cope by strong
> censorship in a similar way that women's faces need to
> be covered in some countries.
>
> 1) this is a market that is fueled by supply and
> demand. the benefactors are not the subjects of the
> materials, the consumers of the materials, or the
> bystanders. the benefactors are the mass media porn
> kings who rake millions creating and distributing it.
>
> 2) this is a gender polarized topic. most women find
> it degrading and men are the main consumers.
>
> 3) the violent aspect of it is present in the broken
> taboos that it violates. the concept of open nakedness
> and public fornication are deviant within most
> cultures. these materials make public these displays.
>
> 4) most of the subjects endanger themselves physically,
> spiritually, and financially. some start off as
> ignorant young children in dire circumstances, and
> after years of abuse, they are left unwanted with no
> real job skills. i would argue that many bear low self
> esteem, feel trapped by the profession, and run a high
> risk of catching disease; not to mention the strain it
> puts on their ability to have close personal relations.
>
> 5) many bystanders are repulsed, especially women.
> in a society largely driven by "comparisonitis", they
> feel a woman who works in this industry degrades all
> women. i call the phenomena where you compare
> yourself to others then try to live up to some
> status quo "comparisonitis." comparisonitis drives
> other markets such as cosmetic surgery and beauty
> products. in the context of these materials, it
> becomes de-humanizing.
>
> 6) most of the consumers are men who are titillated
> by it, create fantasies from it, and masturbate. in
> a repetitive sense, they become a "pavlov dog" that
> provide their own reward by this activity. their
> pavlovian response may be triggered unconsciously
> in certain situations, causing them to behave
> dysfunctional around people who trigger this
> response. the repetitive nature of this activity also
> supports the continued promotion of these materials.
>
> 7) if the intent of it is entertainment, then it is
> some sort of art with a heavy stigma attached. the
> stigma is the associated symbolisms that are breaking
> the taboos. nakedness, suggestive positions, certain
> body parts etc. distinguish this material.
>
> 8) as graphic art, the principles of design apply,
> including color theory. the most popular subjects
> are photogenic. photogenic people have more
> phi pi spiral curve fits.
> yes, the "image of god" is present in porn stars.
> is this a desecration?
> the same mechanisms going into good art are used
> to make these materials.
> if you can recognize this, porn loses power.
>
> 9) the "freedom of speech" right is used along with
> these materials to further their distribution. i
> regard the use of "freedom of speech" here as a means
> to encourage commerce and "service to self". this is
> an affliction that is not specific to this material.
> "freedom of speech" is a fundamental right. indeed
> my sharing these points is also made possible by this
> right. if you are a proponent of censorship, then
> maybe these points should also be censored, i should
> be banned from the group, and you should be living
> in a country where women's faces are covered.

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rodj

12-28-2001, 12:07 AM

<table>

pat wrote:

there are exceptions to every rule, and it's
important to give credit where credit is due.
this early post called "pornography" is weak
with generalizations, and i apologize if i
offended you by it.

hi pat,

i'm a pantheist. i believe that when night and day,
winter and summer, or nudity and sensual pleasure
go well with you,
you have surpassed the contridictions.
thanks for the giggles

rod
a little more below

it seems that exploitation of humans, treated
as as a commodity, is common in many industries.
likewise, not all industry heads are evil.

i wish to extend my deepest thanks to those
"porn kings" whom divert their "porn profits"
to good causes, such as freedom of speech,
hi-tech internet technology, stabilizing the
environment, feeding the hungry, healing the
sick, saving the whales, etc.

the ra materials briefly mention "tantric sex",
as a possible means to enlightenment. i'm no
expert on this. my impression is that this
involves postponing ejaculation in order to
prolong an amplified loving meditative state in
which special energy is shared.

yes, tantric is surrendering to a natural experience
in refined ways. it does not always deal with sex.

in order to obtain this, ejaculation management
skills are needed, possibly developed by
fantasizing to "pornography." in this way, it
seems that "pornography" could be considered
"sacred smut", which when combined with "tantric
masturbation" is a means toward spiritual
enlightenment.

also, "the templar revelation" (lynn picknett
and clive prince, simon and schuster, 1997)
reveals that the secrets of the holy grail
are contained within the images of the female
form. lets give credit where credit is due,
and call smut sacred.

could it be that the proliferation of sacred
smut is an attempt to lift western sexual
repression and promote spiritual enlightenment?
could this actually be an old religion in
disguise?

i apologize if this offends you.
pat

--- in asc2k@y..., sol72us@y... wrote:
> this can be a highly charged topic that i've seen come
> up in this forum occasionally. i offer these points
> in efforts to help those who are struggling to cope
> with it or for you to help others. some cope by strong
> censorship in a similar way that women's faces need to
> be covered in some countries.
>
> 1) this is a market that is fueled by supply and
> demand. the benefactors are not the subjects of the
> materials, the consumers of the materials, or the
> bystanders. the benefactors are the mass media porn
> kings who rake millions creating and distributing it.
>
> 2) this is a gender polarized topic. most women find
> it degrading and men are the main consumers.
>
> 3) the violent aspect of it is present in the broken
> taboos that it violates. the concept of open nakedness
> and public fornication are deviant within most
> cultures. these materials make public these displays.
>
> 4) most of the subjects endanger themselves physically,
> spiritually, and financially. some start off as
> ignorant young children in dire circumstances, and
> after years of abuse, they are left unwanted with no
> real job skills. i would argue that many bear low self
> esteem, feel trapped by the profession, and run a high
> risk of catching disease; not to mention the strain it
> puts on their ability to have close personal relations.
>
> 5) many bystanders are repulsed, especially women.
> in a society largely driven by "comparisonitis", they
> feel a woman who works in this industry degrades all
> women. i call the phenomena where you compare
> yourself to others then try to live up to some
> status quo "comparisonitis." comparisonitis drives
> other markets such as cosmetic surgery and beauty
> products. in the context of these materials, it
> becomes de-humanizing.
>
> 6) most of the consumers are men who are titillated
> by it, create fantasies from it, and masturbate. in
> a repetitive sense, they become a "pavlov dog" that
> provide their own reward by this activity. their
> pavlovian response may be triggered unconsciously
> in certain situations, causing them to behave
> dysfunctional around people who trigger this
> response. the repetitive nature of this activity also
> supports the continued promotion of these materials.
>
> 7) if the intent of it is entertainment, then it is
> some sort of art with a heavy stigma attached. the
> stigma is the associated symbolisms that are breaking
> the taboos. nakedness, suggestive positions, certain
> body parts etc. distinguish this material.
>
> 8) as graphic art, the principles of design apply,
> including color theory. the most popular subjects
> are photogenic. photogenic people have more
> phi pi spiral curve fits.
> yes, the "image of god" is present in porn stars.
> is this a desecration?
> the same mechanisms going into good art are used
> to make these materials.
> if you can recognize this, porn loses power.
>
> 9) the "freedom of speech" right is used along with
> these materials to further their distribution. i
> regard the use of "freedom of speech" here as a means
> to encourage commerce and "service to self". this is
> an affliction that is not specific to this material.
> "freedom of speech" is a fundamental right. indeed
> my sharing these points is also made possible by this
> right. if you are a proponent of censorship, then
> maybe these points should also be censored, i should
> be banned from the group, and you should be living
> in a country where women's faces are covered.

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rodj

12-28-2001, 12:10 AM

<table>

pat wrote:

there are exceptions to every rule, and it's
important to give credit where credit is due.
this early post called "pornography" is weak
with generalizations, and i apologize if i
offended you by it.

hi pat,

i'm a pantheist. i believe that when night and day,
winter and summer, or nudity and sensual pleasure
go well with you,
you have surpassed the contridictions.
thanks for the giggles

rod
a little more below

it seems that exploitation of humans, treated
as as a commodity, is common in many industries.
likewise, not all industry heads are evil.

i wish to extend my deepest thanks to those
"porn kings" whom divert their "porn profits"
to good causes, such as freedom of speech,
hi-tech internet technology, stabilizing the
environment, feeding the hungry, healing the
sick, saving the whales, etc.

the ra materials briefly mention "tantric sex",
as a possible means to enlightenment. i'm no
expert on this. my impression is that this
involves postponing ejaculation in order to
prolong an amplified loving meditative state in
which special energy is shared.

yes, tantric is surrendering to a natural experience
in refined ways. it does not always deal with sex.

in order to obtain this, ejaculation management
skills are needed, possibly developed by
fantasizing to "pornography." in this way, it
seems that "pornography" could be considered
"sacred smut", which when combined with "tantric
masturbation" is a means toward spiritual
enlightenment.

also, "the templar revelation" (lynn picknett
and clive prince, simon and schuster, 1997)
reveals that the secrets of the holy grail
are contained within the images of the female
form. lets give credit where credit is due,
and call smut sacred.

could it be that the proliferation of sacred
smut is an attempt to lift western sexual
repression and promote spiritual enlightenment?
could this actually be an old religion in
disguise?

i apologize if this offends you.
pat

--- in asc2k@y..., sol72us@y... wrote:
> this can be a highly charged topic that i've seen come
> up in this forum occasionally. i offer these points
> in efforts to help those who are struggling to cope
> with it or for you to help others. some cope by strong
> censorship in a similar way that women's faces need to
> be covered in some countries.
>
> 1) this is a market that is fueled by supply and
> demand. the benefactors are not the subjects of the
> materials, the consumers of the materials, or the
> bystanders. the benefactors are the mass media porn
> kings who rake millions creating and distributing it.
>
> 2) this is a gender polarized topic. most women find
> it degrading and men are the main consumers.
>
> 3) the violent aspect of it is present in the broken
> taboos that it violates. the concept of open nakedness
> and public fornication are deviant within most
> cultures. these materials make public these displays.
>
> 4) most of the subjects endanger themselves physically,
> spiritually, and financially. some start off as
> ignorant young children in dire circumstances, and
> after years of abuse, they are left unwanted with no
> real job skills. i would argue that many bear low self
> esteem, feel trapped by the profession, and run a high
> risk of catching disease; not to mention the strain it
> puts on their ability to have close personal relations.
>
> 5) many bystanders are repulsed, especially women.
> in a society largely driven by "comparisonitis", they
> feel a woman who works in this industry degrades all
> women. i call the phenomena where you compare
> yourself to others then try to live up to some
> status quo "comparisonitis." comparisonitis drives
> other markets such as cosmetic surgery and beauty
> products. in the context of these materials, it
> becomes de-humanizing.
>
> 6) most of the consumers are men who are titillated
> by it, create fantasies from it, and masturbate. in
> a repetitive sense, they become a "pavlov dog" that
> provide their own reward by this activity. their
> pavlovian response may be triggered unconsciously
> in certain situations, causing them to behave
> dysfunctional around people who trigger this
> response. the repetitive nature of this activity also
> supports the continued promotion of these materials.
>
> 7) if the intent of it is entertainment, then it is
> some sort of art with a heavy stigma attached. the
> stigma is the associated symbolisms that are breaking
> the taboos. nakedness, suggestive positions, certain
> body parts etc. distinguish this material.
>
> 8) as graphic art, the principles of design apply,
> including color theory. the most popular subjects
> are photogenic. photogenic people have more
> phi pi spiral curve fits.
> yes, the "image of god" is present in porn stars.
> is this a desecration?
> the same mechanisms going into good art are used
> to make these materials.
> if you can recognize this, porn loses power.
>
> 9) the "freedom of speech" right is used along with
> these materials to further their distribution. i
> regard the use of "freedom of speech" here as a means
> to encourage commerce and "service to self". this is
> an affliction that is not specific to this material.
> "freedom of speech" is a fundamental right. indeed
> my sharing these points is also made possible by this
> right. if you are a proponent of censorship, then
> maybe these points should also be censored, i should
> be banned from the group, and you should be living
> in a country where women's faces are covered.

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kylixguru

12-28-2001, 09:35 AM

such powers are available to good and evil entities. energies
harnessed are either for good or evil purposes, without being a
respecter of persons. means of force can reveal manifestations
otherwise reserved only for the truly spiritual.

this mass repression you are talking about has more to do with what
people have brought upon themselves by living selfish and egotistical
lives. if people truly were unselfishly loving, kind and harmless the
full measure of these intimate expressions would be taking place in
their full spectrum in the proper and growth inspiring context.

when higher powers are manifested to entities of lower spiritual
consciousness unprepared to handle them it is a very negative
influence on their progression. it becomes a means of enslaving them,
rather than uplifting, inspiring and liberating them.

in short, if you are not pure in heart and insist on tampering with
powers you are unprepared for, or seeking to impose them on others
unprepared for them, you are locking yourself and others into a chain
of "one-upmanship" of force and control instead of uniting with the
glorious "one" in true liberation.

chose ye this day....

kylixguru