Harvest Criteria?

[urakei]

Hi all. This is my first post in this forum. I kinda felt compelled to draw a chart on what Ra said about Which will be chosen as a 4Ds and which will be chosen as 3Ds. This is just my current understanding from my studies and experiences. It's not a final consensus because there isn't any.

I want to share with you guys. Maybe for easier understanding, or maybe a motivation to pursue to become a 4D. I hope it is not misunderstood as a categorization or a standard quo. Just an approximation. How the calculation on the percentage is also unclear, and i like to leave it at that because nobody in 3D will understand. But maybe you guys have some ideas on it, please share. Maybe it could inspire me/us.

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Okay, now for the analysis based on my observation:

As we know, 4D +ve is much easier to achieve compared to 4D -ve. However, one must choose/decide/aware on which path to choose IMHO. I believe this awareness may come at their brink of death, or maybe because of the hardships or maybe they were enlighten/inspired from other teachings. There is no standard on how to achieve this. It's unique from a person to person.

4D Positive

4D +ve path is the recommended path by Ra. And probably by other religion too. But by obeying the Law of Confusion, one must really look deep for the hidden message to be aware of this. With 4D +ve attitude, which i think most of this forumers are, They somewhat looked wiser, able to accept what other people gives, a forgiver and a lover. They also don't like to judge/label/categorize others too. The hard part in this is i think a serve to self attitude should be considered too because, if not taken care of, one will become sick, catch disease or maybe died early. Although death itself is not a concern for most of them, because death itself is a beautiful experience. Yet i think they believe they must survive to be able to serve others till their last breath in their society complex.

3D Positives and Negatives

With this ancient religion dilemma most will end up hanging at 3D -ve which I believe most religious extremist/leaders were at. Some religious conservative/moderate will probably at the area of 3D +ve. The thing that made this type of religious person a 3D is i believe because of doubts and fear of the unknown. They're not sure which path to take, and they end up following what other's do. Hence a sheep, easily manipulated by the negative entities without being aware of it. Although some may do good, but they do good for the sake of making sure they got the pass to heaven without reflecting/experiencing the deeds/emotions/actions that had been done. For the evildoers, some may do it because they were confused (psycho), hence still not accepted as 4D harvestable.

3D is a learning path. A path where a the entity forget or haven't aware/choose/decide on which path to take. One other thing is if an entity become 50-50 on which polarization to take, it will also become a 3D in next incarnation. Although this 50-50 cases will be very rare. I believe nobody can really balance things out or remain stagnant at one position without fluctuating/spinning/vibrating.

4D Negatives
To become a 4D -ve is challenging IMHO. You have to be really selfish to others so to speak. But these entities, is a leader, a shepherd, very clever at manipulating and controlling other entities and taking advantage on others. But the hurdles/challenges/hardships to go to the top ranking are great. One may not survive to see it or maybe instantly switched to positive or maybe confused (like Hitler). But i think this path is also worth it. It's not for the faint heart. Think of it like the taste of winning over something. It is very sweet for them.

Conclusion
Why i put ??? at both ends? it's because i'm not sure whether it is considered as 4D or 5D or 6D or 7D. But as far as Ra has pointed out, i think it is not important for us to understand at least for now.

Is 100% possible? i believe it is not for positive entities. 100% serve others, that servant may not live to serve because it disregards itself. 100% serve self, will make that entity totally stay away from others or disregards others because it only cares for itself even his own kind (negative entities). But i think it could change his polarity a bit to serve his kind probably for a while or probably for his own benefit. This is high level stuff. I'm just guessing the scenario. :)

One question though (i haven't completed reading the LoO book). Who will judge us? the Confederation (7D) or the higher octaves (8D+)? or is it just happens automatically/naturally?

I hope this helps. I also welcome your opinions on this. Thank you.

Peace

[transiten]

Hi

There's no judgement, we just see the consequences of our own actions ourselves, with the aid of some higher evolved perhaps......I wonder though where the Christian "Grace" comes in....

Liliane

[urakei]

we just see the consequences of our own actions ourselves, with the aid of some higher evolved perhaps

Yeah perhaps it would. It probably planned or willed by the Logos to become this way. I guess it would be the matter of accepting or rejecting, forgiving or regretting.

I'm not from a Christian background. What do you mean by Christian "Grace"?

Peace and Thanks

[PeaceandLove]

Having not read the entire series, can someone point me to what book Ra talks about this harvest criteria? Thanks!

[Firewalker]

When looking at that picture I had to download I have an idea that feels fantastic energetically.

Then while debating whether to share it here, I saw a line saying something like. If you have any ideas please share.

What if... What if you (i.e anyone reading this) could make a form of Divinition/Remote viewing or what would you call it, including a pendulum maybe, to determine someone's exact harvestability?

Perhaps including lots of complicated mathematics and chakra reading whatnot's.

Could be done?!!!

[Bill]

I have to tell you, the engineer in me loved the chart... equations, diagrams, there it is, all simple and calculated...

Not sure the intuitive side of me really believes that, but I found it enlightening anyhow. Nothing wrong with tieing together the intuitive and analytical, that is the bridge from spirit to material reality, at least that is what I believe.

[billybobbutterball]

Hi

There's no judgement, we just see the consequences of our own actions ourselves, with the aid of some higher evolved perhaps......I wonder though where the Christian "Grace" comes in....

Liliane

Hi, Lilane

Here's strictly my opinion concerning Christian Grace, and where it comes in:

According to orthodox Christian theology "Grace" is usually defined as "unmerited favor from God", especially in the matter of salvation. I don't see where that concept fits in at all with the Ra Material when considering that the concept of God in the Christian view is radically different from that of the Law of One.

Since ALL are essentially ONE is it so strange that "ALL" are eagerly helping the all? Hey! The last time I checked you and I are very treasured and most essential fragments of this great "All" of the I AM.

Shifting gears to the connection of nutrition to depression. Many years ago "The Sugar Blues" was a best seller. The work was based on studies that showed sugar could induce negative mood-swings along with mental and physical depression. (besides candy and soft drinks the starches in grains i.e., cereal/bread are very quickly converted to sugar ) See if there is a connection with your own "blues" and your diet.:(

Much Love -- sans chocolate Hershey Kisses!:)

BBBBB

[billybobbutterball]

Hi all. This is my first post in this forum. I kinda felt compelled to draw a chart on what Ra said about Which will be chosen as a 4Ds and which will be chosen as 3Ds. This is just my current understanding from my studies and experiences. It's not a final consensus because there isn't any.

I One question though (i haven't completed reading the LoO book). Who will judge us? the Confederation (7D) or the higher octaves (8D+)? or is it just happens automatically/naturally?

I hope this helps. I also welcome your opinions on this. Thank you.

Peace

Hi, Urakei

Nice looking graph.

I'll volunteer a couple of my thoughts on the subject. The positive polarity factor does not keep soaring higher and higher as one goes up through the densities. An 6D "entity" such as The RA is --I guess the word might be -- Neutral. The One Creator has zero polarity.

The surprising fact is that Polarities are "distortions"

The realm of 4th density positive is where service to others soars almost out of control... to the point that some don't take care of their needs (admittedly, somewhat different from that of the 3rd ) such as stopping long enough to feed themselves. :o The 4th is important in development but is unbalanced by a lack of "wisdom" -- which is to be explored and learned in the 5th. All this takes tremendous amounts of our 3D time... the Ra has a strong leaning towards the 7th...which means they are in a big hurry to get ready 'cause that will occur in only a million or so years....:rolleyes: Really!


As has been recently posted, no one determines our actual level. We fit in where we subjectively feel comfortable. As I've read somewhere, the question is not how high we can managed soar -- empowered by a sudden spurt of spiritual energy -- but rather the point is can one hang on and stay at the rarified altitude? (No!) Some talented ones can temporarily penetrate to -- I think -- aspects of the 7th or 8th. But they are not yet of that basic soul stuff but mere short-term, green-card visitors.:)

Sorry, I'm out of time ... I gotta go to my 2D job, since I never forget to feed myself. :)

BBB

[billybobbutterball]

Having not read the entire series, can someone point me to what book Ra talks about this harvest criteria? Thanks!

Hi shop guy.

The five volumes do take awhile!

By far the best bet in coming up to speed in a hurry is to take a few hours/days to study the "Ra Material Study Guide" -- available on site. There are other sources and helpful tools for isolated subjects but the Study Guide remains the essential first step.

my best to you! BBB:)

[SuperManny]

I'm not from a Christian background. What do you mean by Christian "Grace"?
Peace and ThanksProbably the best example of Grace, as it relates to the Law of One, is the idea that we don't have to be 100% 'service to others' oriented. A mere 51% will squeeze you by, and you are gifted the remaining percentage(s) as an act of Grace from the All-That-Is. So enjoy it while you can, because our next ascension from 4D to 5D will require closer to a 98% commitment.
What if... What if you (i.e anyone reading this) could make a form of Divinition/Remote viewing or what would you call it, including a pendulum maybe, to determine someone's exact harvestability?I don't think this would have any beneficial effects, in fact it would likely have a detrimental effect. If a person could see that they would graduate if the ascension were today, they'd probably quit trying as hard, and as a result, might fail to make the grade. Conversely, if one could see they wouldn't make it ... well I really can't see any good coming from that situation at all. :(

[Billuminous]

Probably the best example of Grace, as it relates to the Law of One, is the idea that we don't have to be 100% 'service to others' oriented. A mere 51% will squeeze you by, and you are gifted the remaining percentage(s) as an act of Grace from the All-That-Is. So enjoy it while you can, because our next ascension from 4D to 5D will require closer to a 98% commitment.
I don't think this would have any beneficial effects, in fact it would likely have a detrimental effect. If a person could see that they would graduate if the ascension were today, they'd probably quit trying as hard, and as a result, might fail to make the grade. Conversely, if one could see they wouldn't make it ... well I really can't see any good coming from that situation at all. :(

I don't think it is a matter of "trying", rather it is a choice that is made after deep deliberation by the entity, and that choice naturally carries with it a lot of responsibility. To me, the word "Grace" implies that there is a higher power granting special favors, but this is really not the case since we are the Creators and we determine our own destiny.

[soup]

Possibly there's grace that flows from a sense of gratitude, as if giving thanks is a service in itself somehow. Maybe this can seem a simple trick of tipping the scales - thanks for that idea...


soup

[transiten]

Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me
I once was lost but now I'm found
was blind but now I see


Sure it can be a feeling of gratitude, whether you gained the insight yourself, or had some aid along the way:)

Liliane

[MarkM]

I am reminded of the Anne Frank diaries, wherein Anne's sister Betsy found thanks and gratitude for the circumstances in her life, being as it was in Ravensbruch concentration camp, during World War Two.

A role model for the rest of us, as one of the final attainments of an entity completing 3D is unconditional gratitude, for our impelling catalyst, come what may in this schoolroom Earth.

Although each individual will encounter painful circumstance, up to and including death, of ourselves and our loved ones, as happens eventually for all, gratitude achieved which transcends the cares of the world is a springboard to tasting the fruits of 'long suffering', namely, an opportunity for a higher, much higher, expression of being.

This is a springboard into the fourth density earth, for those who can grasp this concept.

Can you be grateful for everything?

[Val Zee]

The hymn "Amazing Grace" has such a beautiful melody and though I have sung it many times I have always felt that considering oneself a "wretch" was unwaranted. After all we are all a part of God and God is a part of all of us. Who are we to call such a creation "a wretch" ? I have silently in my mind changed the words to this:

Amazing grace, how sweet the sound
To a child of God like me
I once was lost but now am found
Was blind but now I see

To me the "Grace" is the provisions that were made for our enlightenment and regaining the conciousness of our true relationship to God and one another.

Lest anyone be concerned about my infringing on any copyrights, the song "Amazing Grace" is public domain material.

Val

[transiten]

You are very wellformulated and balanced Mark!

I wish I could. I've raised from hell in this life, I'm thankful I'm still alive, but fear at the moment I'm going down again into a depression. Most pple I know are not grateful for what they've got but are complaining all the time. I'm struggling myself with my life but mostly try to look at the bright side and be supportive. If I'm badly treated I have learned to put boundaries but in the preocess I feel more and more lonely. I meet no kindred spirits where I can relax and discuss matters f.i discussed here. Even those interested are complaining. Is this just a reflection of my own inner state? I feel like I have to break away to save my soul. I actually feel blessed that I can SEE it, but at the same time fearing I'm just repeating my co/counterdependencypattern...(Forumcouncelling in disguise)

Liliane

[SuperManny]

I don't think it is a matter of "trying", rather it is a choice that is made after deep deliberation by the entity, and that choice naturally carries with it a lot of responsibility.
I think I tend to respectfully disagree with you on this. In my personal experience the higher a person's vibration gets, the more susceptible they are to attack from the dark side, and they have to be constantly vigilant.

Again, speaking from my own personal experience, "a choice that is made after deep deliberation" is simply not enough to carry me through; rather I need to be on constant guard, because even a moments lapse, just gives the ego another foothold, and I tend to lose my focus again until I bring my awareness back into the "NOW" moment.

[Magical_Mongoose]

Great stuff.
Maybe it's kind of like a "weird" tire pressure gauge.
You have a certain baseline, neutral frequency. 50/50...where one half is above and the other below. As it goes over 50%, as in STO becomes your primary disposition, that momentum is usually carried ever upwards when the heart becomes activated and as the energy is blended upwards into the higher chakras through intention...
STS requires nearly a complete submergence (95% of the gauge below the baseline) because it needs enough pressure to bypass heart activation...basically forcing it down.
You can be greatful for everything if you realize that it was all just experience and lessons...thanking your teachers, in whatever form they've come in, in their service to you in both pain and in love.
But the concentration camp story is pretty intense, to say the least. That's an awesome example because if she could do it, why can't we? A pretty brave soul to say the least.

[MarkM]

Thanks for sharing, Liliane.

It's easy to say that one should be grateful for everything, I have negative emotional reactions to catalyst in my life, and one can't just consciously decide to transcend this by force of will, and suddenly be in that state!:)

One thing we can do, though, is practice. By practicing stepping back from life's issues, and contemplating or meditating on the really quite stupendous fact that we even exist at all, and on the idea that no bad things really happen, we can begin to come slowly to a place of less and less emotional involvement with myriad issues.

Often, negative circumstances in our lives will keep coming around until we choose to accept the condition, make peace with it, focus on the lesson offered and look at what we can learn; or in other words, find the love in the circumstance, how it may serve to increase our love.

This takes a certain discipline, but one consciously embarking upon this effort will accelerate their growth, and be better able to deal with things like depression and confusion. Pain is often evidence of some life lesson knocking at your door, patiently waiting for you to choose to see the learning potential. For negative seeming events and conditions are always just that. And getting to know this is where gratitude begins.

Yours, Mark

[soup]

It feels affirming to me, to share writings with such a grateful group.
Thanks for that.


soup

[soup]

...To me, the word "Grace" implies that there is a higher power granting special favors, but this is really not the case since we are the Creators and we determine our own destiny....

The idea that we determine our own destiny reminds me of many people scoffing at their failure to attain so many empty dreams...the glorification of the control freak who mongers money over the bum laying in the gutter.

Is it the ego tht has placed these two extremes in their respective position, or lack of ego? Isn't it the concept of "ego as the "self" which is the determining factor here, and to a lesser extent, grace?


soup

[3D Sunset]

One question though (i haven't completed reading the LoO book). Who will judge us? the Confederation (7D) or the higher octaves (8D+)? or is it just happens automatically/naturally?
Peace

According to Ra (The Law of One, Book III, Session 51):

Questioner: As we begin Book Three of The Law Of One there are a couple
of questions of fairly non-transient importance that I have and one that I
consider to be of a transient nature that I feel obligated to ask.

The first is clearing up the final point about harvest. I was wondering if
there is a supervision over the harvest and if so, why this supervision is
necessary and how it works since an entity’s harvestability is determined by
the violet ray? Is it necessary for entities to supervise the harvest, or is it
automatic?

Ra: I am Ra. In time of harvest there are always harvesters. The fruit is
formed as it will be, but there is some supervision necessary to ensure that
this bounty is placed as it should be without the bruise or the blemish.
There are those of three levels watching over harvest.

The first level is planetary and that which may be called angelic. This type
of guardian includes the mind/body/spirit complex totality or higher self of
an entity and those inner plane entities which have been attracted to this
entity through its inner seeking.

The second class of those who ward this process are those of the
Confederation who have the honor/duty of standing in the small places at
the edge of the steps of light/love so that those entities being harvested will
not, no matter how confused or unable to make contact with their higher
self, stumble and fall away for any reason other than the strength of the
light. These Confederation entities catch those who stumble and set them
aright so that they may continue into the light.

The third group watching over this process is that group you call the
Guardians. This group is from the octave above our own and serves in this
manner as light bringers. These Guardians provide the precise emissions of
light/love in exquisitely fastidious disseminations of discrimination so that
the precise light/love vibration of each entity may be ascertained.

Thus the harvest is automatic in that those harvested will respond according
to that which is unchangeable during harvest. That is the violet ray
emanation. However, these helpers are around to ensure a proper harvesting
so that each entity may have the fullest opportunity to express its violet ray
selfhood.