Wow!

[Tarzan]

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><font color="#0000ff" face="arial" size="2"><span class="990494404-15122001">http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/pacific_anomaps.html</span></font>
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[Mingo42271@...]

<font face="arial,helvetica"><font size="3">tarzan, wow is right!! that took me away for hours!! thank you! donna</font>

[adam west]

hi all,

check this out, there could be something here hinting at being infinitely
profound. look closely though it is very multi layered, an under statement in
the extreme.



may the blessings of the most high continue to be upon you,



andros
wingmakers home page


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[David Wilcock]

from: "adam west"

> check this out, there could be something here hinting at being
infinitely profound. look closely though it is very multi layered, an under
statement in the extreme.

> may the blessings of the most high continue to be upon you,

> andros
> wingmakers home page

dw: i'm amazed that this site is still taken seriously. it was undeniably,
decisively debunked over four years ago, specifically on november 28, 1998,
on jeff rense's website:

http://www.rense.com/ufo2/wing.htm

granted, mark hempel has done some decent music, artwork and
intuitively-inspired writing. however, those who knowingly create and
perpetuate hoaxes are certainly reducing their positive polarization. such
hoaxes can perpetuate by virtue of the law of confusion, as the
confederation indeed seeks for there to be wheat and chaff out there. those
who make a free-will choice not to believe in such things can find a site
like this, become interested, then do a little more research ("wingmakers"
plus "hoax" on google) and realize that it was all a sham. if they are
satisfied and go no further, then the law of free will has been preserved.

peace be with you -

- david

[adam west]

dear david,
thank you very much for taking the time to post, giving me that
information was very helpful in reminding me that i can't trust my third
dimensional mind, judgment and senses. for that very reason i'm
disregarding the hoax evidence as conclusive, as disinformation looks just
as credible as fact. that is to say i have no way of knowing if the
evidence and the alleged experts who provided it, actually existed and did
so, or if the alleged debunking is nothing more than a professional attempt
at discrediting authentic information or those that scrutinized the site and
its particulars, were biased and limited by there own third dimensional
materialistic scientific perceptions. i am left with two final options,
one, did you personally read the material, and what was your conclusions. i
very much respect you opinion, so i would ask, in your opinion, combined
with your inner guidance, did the scientific material add up, and what of
the esoteric concepts? two, i only ran into the site yesterday, on first
glance there appeared to be something there, i will take a much closer look,
and seek inner guidance my self.

may the blessings of the most high continue to be on all of you,


andros.

[Dave M.]

i found this site about 6 mo. ago. i eventually came upon a page on the site
where they actually
admit that it is not real. i can't remember where it was, but i think it was
the into to a
discussion forum or the contact page.

[David Wilcock]

from: "dave m."

> i found this [wingmakers] site about 6 mo. ago. i eventually came upon a
page on the site where they actually
> admit that it is not real. i can't remember where it was, but i think it
was the into to a
> discussion forum or the contact page.

dw: yes... andros, sorry to burst your bubble, but this is old, old news...
i did read the whole darn site page by page. mark clearly has a gift... and
the material is obviously distorted. one of the most offensive things i
heard about this site, which is a testament to the degree to which people
lunge at spiritual things and want to become "followers," is that all the
obvious arguments in the case for it being a hoax were simply put in by the
"dark illuminati" to try to trash the site's credibilty.

this has become a standard ploy for hoaxers. put the information out there,
then when your site is discredited, doomsday doesn't happen when you
predicted it, planet x never shows, et cetera, either sing the praises that
the divine beings bailed us out at the last minute or curse the "dark
illuminati" for either trying to discredit / defame you or in setting up
elaborate schemes to trick you into giving distorted material.

i don't want to let my sarcastic / ego side come out here too much, as we
all have one... but i am very interested to see what divine miracle the
planet x people will begin claiming when nibiru pulls a no-show and humanity
gets to live another day. will they bump ahead the deadline a few more
months, only to be proven wrong once more? or, will they simply stretch the
deadline ahead to the end of the mayan calendar, finally forcing me to write
an article debunking the pseudo-science in the theory? will zeta talk
channeler nancy leider admit that her entire body of material was seriously
distorted, or claim that a miracle has occurred, lose legitimacy and fade
into obscurity?

negative entities that greet a channel (and this has happened to every
channel no matter what they tell you) will invariably begin preaching
messages of doom with exact deadlines. when these deadlines pass, the
negative greeting is successful in that the channel is discredited. this
does not change the fact that we really are at the end of a cycle and really
can understand how, when and why the change is going to take place.

as always, this is a law of one discussion group... so please try to keep
the focus on that material. as i often say... even if you just found some
'great new channeling' and think that we all absolutely have to know about
it... in almost every single case it has been seen and analyzed, and if it
passed muster then it has already been mentioned in our recommended reading
list. we so often say this... we are here to discuss the ascension2000 / ll
research material. the new article, http://ascension2000.com/04.10.03.htm,
should be certain to trigger a large discussion - the first new science data
we've posted in almost a year.

peace be with you -

- david

[Dave M.]

i found some of the statements from the wingmakers site that admit it isn't
real:

http://www.wingmakers.com/forum.html
quote from the webmaster, mark hempel: "sarah de rosnay was/is involved in the
art scene in new
york, and came across james by way of an introduction from a friend. sarah
approached james to
represent his paintings to the art world, and james made sarah aware of his
larger plans to launch a
contemporary mythology to the world -- via the internet, which he called the
wingmakers."

http://www.wingmakers.com/jamesqa.html
quote from james: "i refer to it as a mythology only because i must convey -- in
good conscience --
that the material is not completely factual."

[adam west]

thanks david,
i appreciate you taking the time to reply. obviously you have a huge
work load and still find the time to write large posts, thank you for your
guidance.

may the blessing of the most high continue to be on you and yours.


andros.