Density and Dimensions - what is the difference

[Metamike]

I am working on a translation of the Ra material from English to Norwegian. I notice that RA speaks freely of Density and Dimensions as though they are two different concepts. I can't remember if this was ever openly discussed in the books or material that David has collected. Anybody have a clue?:confused:

[Magical_Mongoose]

Density I think refers to the "concentration of awareness" of an entity...so minerals (1D) have a basic concentration, with consciousness becoming more complex and refined as it evolves through the stages of awareness.
Dimension refers to space-time, where entities 1D-3D inhabit fully inhabit...essentially, linear progression through space and time. Upper 3D levels begin inhabiting time-space (as experienced right now as precognition, RV'ing, other psychic abilities) and then 4D+ being entrenched into non-linear realities and greater levels of trans-personal awareness.
Hope it helps and good luck with the translation :)

[Metamike]

Interesting things happen when you start to translate from one language to another - for the first part - you really have to read the text for meaning. I hadn't seen this in the texts I had read earlier. So I guess we could talk about the fifth dimension in the third density, or the sixth dimension in the fourth density. I guess this could make it difficult to identify whether an entity was from a different dimension or just a different density - It gets kind of complicated.

[Metamike]

RA: At the 7th level or dimension, we shall. if our humble efforts are 
sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past 
or future, but existing in the all. (B1,153)

Just before this quote - on David's compendium RA talks about the different densities that it has traversed - Then the word gets changed to dimension - That must mean that the words are interchangable in my world.:confused:

[transiten]

Hello Metamike!

Was I guided to answer this thread? I happened to watch your post, after that I started to read The Law of One Study-guide this morning after reading some 25 pages in the LoO yesterday:

INTRODUCTION: CARLA CHANNELS RA

THE MESSAGE OF RA

4: Density=density of consciousness or density of vibration (B4, 28) Frequently used by Ra as an analogue to what is currently thought of as "dimensions" in the Universe. The densities are organized into an eight-fold "octave"system, analogous to the musical octave and the visual light spectrum. Therefore the higher the density, the higher the level of consciousness.

Guided or "just" synchronicity:confused:

Godd luck with your translation! Liliane:)

[Metamike]

You are quite right - This escaped my mind - now for clarity - Thank You - My universe became simpler.:)

[soup]

There may be many differing dimensions to the word dimension, not that the ambiguity it lends may diminish the meaning, its that some things just seem less defineable than others. Maybe this holds true somehow for the concepts of density and dimension, though difficult to say for sure.


soup

[soup]

...I am working on a translation of the Ra material from English to Norwegian. I notice that RA speaks freely of Density and Dimensions as though they are two different concepts. ...

I wonder if translations into multiple languages offers higher degrees of dimension to the Ra Materials, with higher density of word constructs associated so.


soup

[soup]

The idea of "two different concepts" may relate to the idea of mutual exclusion within concepts. At some level of consciousness density, I wonder if the nature of concept resides on one dimension which effectively resolves the separative nature of mutual exclusion. How does the concept of mutual exclusion relate to the Law Of One? Or else, can mathematical set theory be used in describing Law Of One concepts?


soup

[namcap01]

I'm having trouble contemplating on the differences between Dimension and Density.

A month ago I attended a seminar talk by a [please pm for name]where she discussed about our consciousness shift and that all of our knowledge actually comes from the centre of our galaxy.

She also mentions that our consciousness has already gone from the 3rd Dimension to the 4th Dimension, and that 2012 really represents our shift into the 5th Dimension. And she is not alone. I been reading a number of articles from a website called [please PM for name], and it pretty much says the same thing. Also [they] are part of the Galactic Confederation of Planets/Light which is mentioned in the Law Of One material.

But in the Law Of One it says that the harvest of our consciousness that will take place in 2012 is a shift into the 4th Density. This is where I am confused. It’s been said that Dimensions as well as Densities are different realms of existence and the reason why we cannot perceived the other levels of them now is because our bodies can only view things in a 3D environment and that's what it's built for.

So I ask you this, what is Dimension and Density to us? What is the difference between them? And when 2012 approaches, will our mind/body/spirit as well as consciousness will go into this realm of existence or will only our consciousness shift into this realm but our bodies will stay here in 3D, and that because our consciousness will change so will our bodies?

I'd really would like to hear your views on this

Thank You

Love & Light.

[AmentiHall]

I have a post about it in the Do David and Ra disagree thread.

It's an interesting topic, I have also adressed it another but it's just opinion. That is my opinion of how it works, it's very hard when we are dealing with such a high level of being (ra) and our low level of science. We don't even really have words for what happens in creation and up there. So it uses the best we can.

:)

[etereys]

Density I think refers to the "concentration of awareness" of an entity...so minerals (1D) have a basic concentration, with consciousness becoming more complex and refined as it evolves through the stages of awareness.
Dimension refers to space-time, where entities 1D-3D inhabit fully inhabit...essentially, linear progression through space and time. Upper 3D levels begin inhabiting time-space (as experienced right now as precognition, RV'ing, other psychic abilities) and then 4D+ being entrenched into non-linear realities and greater levels of trans-personal awareness.
Hope it helps and good luck with the translation :)

Mongoose, I remember seeing the quote "concentration of awareness" in one of the sessions alongside another half of that same quote, but I can't find it again right now for the life of me.

On another note, I recall Ra describing "density" as referring to basically how much condensed light is within our being. The higher the density, the more compacted the light, and therefore the more radiance, or something like that. :)

"Dimension," as I've understood it throughout the material, though it has mistakenly been interchanged with the word "density" in the material, is a different concept altogether. It seems as though the confusion of the terms was through the channel itself, perhaps, and not Ra.

The two words just don't equal the same thing in my mind, no matter how I've looked at it, since Ra made that explanation of "density" wherever it was.

If anyone sees it, could you post it here? :D

[eagleye]

This may help: http://lawofone.info/

I recently came across the above resource and have found it to be an excellent tool when searching for specific material in the Law of One books. Simply type in the search box located at the top of the page. The tool will pull up all areas in the Law of One material where a word, a group of words, or even phrases is found in it. You can also search under topics. If you click on “more options” you can even narrow it down to a specific session.:D

A search for the word density revealed that this word in its various forms occurs 712 times in the Law of One. In contrast dimension is only used 72 times. I don’t have time to look over all the quotes right now but I’m sure the exact meaning or meanings of both words will become clear after reading all the quotes.

[Earthcat]

These terms are often interchangeable as used by those communicating with us. It seems they use deminsion instead of density because we are more familiar with it. The purpose of the communication is to begin the awakening process, the more familiar, the greater the attention.

[Zoron]

[QUOTE=namcap01;47810]I'm having trouble contemplating on the differences between Dimension and Density.

[I]So I ask you this, what is Dimension and Density to us? What is the difference between them? And when 2012 approaches, will our mind/body/spirit as well as consciousness will go into this realm of existence or will only our consciousness shift into this realm but our bodies will stay here in 3D, and that because our consciousness will change so will our bodies?
I'd really would like to hear your views on this

First, please allow me to simply put the dimension/density question into an overall perspective and I will follow up with a more detailed visual:

Our 'illusionary physical reality,' the one we have chosen to incarnate into, comprises two dimensions: 3rd, our 'physical' or 'material' existence...simplified as 'space'... and 4th, the 'astral' or 'spiritual' realm (not to be confused with our Spirit as distinct from and encompassing 'soul')...simplified as 'time.' This is the essence or basis of our linear 'duality.' The two are mutually defining (one cannot 'exist' except in terms of its polar opposite) and together form Third Density.

Therefore 5th Dimension is really Fourth Density, 6th = Fifth Density and 7th Dimension = Sixth Density from which Ra 'broadcasts' so to speak. Seventh Density, to which Ra aspires, completes the 'octave' merging with the next level or octave, which can also be equated with Intelligent Infinity or Source, but the corresponding 'transition' does not translate well in linear thought.

This process or progression can be seen more clearly by viewing piano keys forming the octave.

Whoever arrives at the Ra Material channelings is drawn by their own unique connection...if only the simple recognition that they might be a Wanderer. But each resonates to Ra's messages according to their own vibrational level... and therefore all 'understanding' may vary accordingly. But each will derive that which is pertinent to their respective seeking.

That said, as relates to Ra's use of 'dimension' and 'density' one might review the images and analogies that Ra brings forth with these concepts... it is as simple as the archetypal 'octave' which corresponds to the multi-levels of consciousness cited throughout the Ra Material... or even the Rays or the Chakra points we acknowledge in our energy fields.

If you look at any octave of keys on a piano, preferably starting from Middle "C" since that may be the easiest to follow, you may ascribe successive dimensions beginning with C as 1st dimension, D = 2nd, E = 3d, F = 4th but we'll stop there for the moment. There is 'reason' as well as a relationship with the black keys on the piano and the fact that they skip a key after E (the third white key) and repeat that pattern again after B (the 7th white key note) following the 8th key or higher octave middle C (or High C) , which is also the first white key of the next octave. This may be somewhat unclear at High C, but we are really primarily concerned here with the first 6 Densities.

Thus returning to Fourth Density in Ra's terms... that equates to 5th Dimension which is the more common reference for our dimensional evolution and the harvesting referred to by Ra. Fouth Density or 5th Dimension also correlates with the Ascended Masters, Archangels, etc., and almost all vibrational thoughts/terms associated with 'ascension,' new age, et. al. It is the dimension of "Love" and that to which Earth itself is evolving. We may also look at evolving Earth vibrationally rising from 3rd Dimension (space)...C# on our musical scale and the 'Om' vibrational tone... to that of 4th Dimension (time).

One note here in the event that anyone doesn't correlate Ra's use of space/time and time/space. Space/time refers to our physical world/3rd dimension and time/space to the astral realm which our souls reside between incarnations.

The Galactic Convergence of the Winter Solstice 2012 and the end-date referred to in the Mayan calendar in effect can be envisioned as the 'end of time' in a vibrational sense because Earth will have reached the 4th Dimension... and time is the illusory construct of our space/time equation in consciousness. I don't wish to elucidate beyond that conceptual thought in this post but suffice it to say as I'm sure most here realize that it is not a cataclysmic event requiring drastic measures of change and preparation. In fact our vibrational paths are pretty much set forth already.

4th Dimension is pretty much invisible to those whose vibrations do not yet support it... but the transition for all will be in the way of consciousness according to their vibrational level, keeping in mind that our 3rd dimensional 'world' is of our own creation entirely and the veil that has occluded consciousness beyond our illusion is lifting. For those who have not ascended their illusion theirs will be a transitional continuation of the 3rd/4th dimension re-incarnative (sine curve) cycle and continuation of the circa 26,000 year cycle... which is not of our evolving Earth.

In Love & Light (as well as All that is not)

Z