questions(with banter) and a side of fries

[Matthew]

you know, i hope i don't offend anyone here, but i think i have a
good question. one that is directed at everyone. i've read many
postings here regarding who gets to ascend, why they are of ascending
quality, if they get to take their dog....etc. so i was curious...how
many people (who are reading this) are attempting in some way to
curtail death through the application of ascension-based teachings? i
ask this not to offend, but to understand. it is my opinion that fear
is our greatest motivator (social generalization). fear of death gets
everyone to church on sundays. fear of life provides us with police,
security, and safety nets. fear of fear gives us psychologists and
therapists. in fact most of our stress and discomfort occurs by way
of fear. so how is fear a factor in this group? how many people are
afraid that the world is going to end, and you will be 2 miles from
your meditation mat and 15 minutes from plunging into your
trancendental conciousness?
i'm not worried. although i feel that people approach this
information in a manner too similar to religion. it seems that people
tend to demand method and dogma, and apply it wherever they can. it
makes sense, everyone wants to be right.
in my opinion, there is only one opinion that matters. your own. it
should be of your own design, built from your own experience and
knowledge. it should be unique and unfixed. the only spiritual leader
you need is the voice of your own soul. sometimes it is good to take
advice from people who's souls are yelling. however take everything
with a grain of salt.

i would like to quote from master kim: like water is the best thing
to be, you are always changing and always the same.

and here's a good one from my mom: happiness is an inside job.

and my personal motto: **** fear.

p.s> i sincerely hope that none of this information (asc2k) gets
dogmatized by anyone. it is good information, it kindles fire in the
mind and opens up possibilities. regardless, we are like fish in a
bowl, trying to understand the universe with walleye vision. nobody
knows the big picture. anyone who claims to is as deluded as their
claims. the more you find out, the less you know.

[Jeremy Weiland]

i think you raise an interesting point, matthew. the first answer that
pops to mind on whether fear is a factor for me (i can't speak for the list)
is that i am trying to get past fear, and by studying this kind of
information (in no way confined to david's work, of course) one can
transcend the part of you that wants to fear, and simply accept what you're
supposed to experience. when i think about it honestly, though, i realize
that, yeah, i'm scared that i won't ascend. however, part of contemplating
this is realizing that, no matter what happens, it will be for your best
learning and development, whether you ascend or not. ascension per se is
not as important as soul progress, and if ascension serves the purpose of
learning, then you will ascend, and if it doesn't then you won't. so i'm
trying to ask myself a different question than "aren't you afraid?" because
that presupposes a few ideas that i'm trying to transcend.
because i have a lot of stumbling points in my life, and because i am
aware of the vital need for me to experience them, an idea of ra's stood out
greatly while reading book i. the idea was that ra was saying that nothing
needed to be overcome (i.e. vices, bad habits / behaviors, etc) but rather
the experiences need to simply be learned from and then, once that happens,
they will no longer occur. i'm starting to understand where ra's going with
that, and as someone posted a while back, it's all about *intention*.
as far as dogmatization is concerned, i think that there's little reason
to worry. the people who need to cling to something are always going to be
able to find something to cling to as long as they are distorted in that
way. rather than worry that people will treat david's work as religion
(which is exactly what my girlfriend thinks i do...) i'm coming to an
understanding that all works out in it's own way. yeah, we make choices,
but they have way different consequences than we actually think they do.
the key, as i see it, is where is your vantage point.
are you looking at this phenomenon from a duality-oriented, earth-banter
viewpoint? the drama and suffering is out there, you don't have to look
far, just choose to look. or you can decide to view your life and the
events in it from a different vantage point, basing what you see on
different fundamental premises. from that viewpoint, everything is making
sense, or at least isn't worrying you.
it's a big fuzzy situation that we have for ourselves on this planet,
but it's like that for a reason. why is it that, as you say, only your
opinion matters? because, imho, you're here to work on yourself. and
because your opinions and belief determine your point of view, and thereby
at what level you are going to do the work that you came to do here on
earth.
there are ways of interpreting a lot that you find distressing, matthew,
in a more positive light. as you know, only you can determine what thought
patterns are appropriate for you at any given time, but my answer to your
first question is, "fear does not have to be a dominating factor." there
are goals associated with life, and there is a path to follow, if you can
find it.
i could show you the path, but it would cost you $999. lol
totally kidding!!!! :-)
take care,
jeremy
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date: tuesday, january 23, 2001 3:09 pm
subject: [asc2k] questions(with banter) and a side of fries


>
>you know, i hope i don't offend anyone here, but i think i have a
>good question. one that is directed at everyone. i've read many
>postings here regarding who gets to ascend, why they are of ascending
>quality, if they get to take their dog....etc. so i was curious...how
>many people (who are reading this) are attempting in some way to
>curtail death through the application of ascension-based teachings? i
>ask this not to offend, but to understand. it is my opinion that fear
>is our greatest motivator (social generalization). fear of death gets
>everyone to church on sundays. fear of life provides us with police,
>security, and safety nets. fear of fear gives us psychologists and
>therapists. in fact most of our stress and discomfort occurs by way
>of fear. so how is fear a factor in this group? how many people are
>afraid that the world is going to end, and you will be 2 miles from
>your meditation mat and 15 minutes from plunging into your
>trancendental conciousness?
>i'm not worried. although i feel that people approach this
>information in a manner too similar to religion. it seems that people
>tend to demand method and dogma, and apply it wherever they can. it
>makes sense, everyone wants to be right.
>in my opinion, there is only one opinion that matters. your own. it
>should be of your own design, built from your own experience and
>knowledge. it should be unique and unfixed. the only spiritual leader
>you need is the voice of your own soul. sometimes it is good to take
>advice from people who's souls are yelling. however take everything
>with a grain of salt.
>
>i would like to quote from master kim: like water is the best thing
>to be, you are always changing and always the same.
>
>and here's a good one from my mom: happiness is an inside job.
>
>and my personal motto: **** fear.
>
>p.s> i sincerely hope that none of this information (asc2k) gets
>dogmatized by anyone. it is good information, it kindles fire in the
>mind and opens up possibilities. regardless, we are like fish in a
>bowl, trying to understand the universe with walleye vision. nobody
>knows the big picture. anyone who claims to is as deluded as their
>claims. the more you find out, the less you know.
>
>
>
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[johnson rod]

--- matthew <amstelland420@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=5vxvo8v_lw80bq0twsry48l9se7s4mu3q5gpjd cb_g6ep5yh-naljyrjfsga5b5o28ncxxltuh0hp_e2nvseiw)> wrote:

and i think that his points were very suscint and
worthy. a bit lengthy and involved but then why is
that there is so much that i would like to add to his
thoughts.

but then it is all there in the simple essence of what
was said rather than how much.

deebokonon

> you know, i hope i don't offend anyone here, but i
> think i have a
> good question. one that is directed at everyone.
> i've read many
> postings here regarding who gets to ascend, why they
> are of ascending
> quality, if they get to take their dog....etc. so i
> was curious...how
> many people (who are reading this) are attempting in
> some way to
> curtail death through the application of
> ascension-based teachings? i
> ask this not to offend, but to understand. it is my
> opinion that fear
> is our greatest motivator (social generalization).
> fear of death gets
> everyone to church on sundays. fear of life provides
> us with police,
> security, and safety nets. fear of fear gives us
> psychologists and
> therapists. in fact most of our stress and
> discomfort occurs by way
> of fear. so how is fear a factor in this group? how
> many people are
> afraid that the world is going to end, and you will
> be 2 miles from
> your meditation mat and 15 minutes from plunging
> into your
> trancendental conciousness?
> i'm not worried. although i feel that people
> approach this
> information in a manner too similar to religion. it
> seems that people
> tend to demand method and dogma, and apply it
> wherever they can. it
> makes sense, everyone wants to be right.
> in my opinion, there is only one opinion that
> matters. your own. it
> should be of your own design, built from your own
> experience and
> knowledge. it should be unique and unfixed. the only
> spiritual leader
> you need is the voice of your own soul. sometimes it
> is good to take
> advice from people who's souls are yelling. however
> take everything
> with a grain of salt.
>
> i would like to quote from master kim: like water is
> the best thing
> to be, you are always changing and always the same.
>
> and here's a good one from my mom: happiness is an
> inside job.
>
> and my personal motto: **** fear.
>
> p.s> i sincerely hope that none of this information
> (asc2k) gets
> dogmatized by anyone. it is good information, it
> kindles fire in the
> mind and opens up possibilities. regardless, we are
> like fish in a
> bowl, trying to understand the universe with walleye
> vision. nobody
> knows the big picture. anyone who claims to is as
> deluded as their
> claims. the more you find out, the less you know.
>
>
>
> to unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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[Christian]

hello matthew,

from my opinion and that is all it is, i have had big problems with
fear when growing up i was a real mouse and as a child scared of just about
anything and unable to sleep nights up until i was about 12. i used
to have very strange dreams which scared me a great deal i used to call
them the little big time when i would be the size of an atom one
minute then the size of a planet the next, very nauseating and very scary
for a 10 year old, i used to wake up hysterical with fear, my parents
thinking i was possessed or something i subsequently learned to block these
out from my mind (big mistake). i have vague memories of the dreams
now and in hindsight now with all the knowledge i have, i wish i had them
now because i now am in a better position to understand them. so
i think that fear has a lot to do with ignorance and lack of understanding.
because of this lack of understanding i had a great big mental block to
move which i had created for myself, so over the years i have learned to
control and not to take the first instincts of fight or flight which
is our basic evolved animalistic response. i think fear of death
is irrational if you have the concrete belief in your mind that death is
not the end then there is nothing to fear if you believe your soul is immortal,
once you find that understanding or it is given to you there is a great
sense of relief and well being. i was shown this in an ascension
dream and all i can say is that i woke up with tears on my face from the
sheer relief that this is not all there is. i hope everyone
who fears death can learn to understand this as it helps you live life
and take things as they come much better.

i am not afraid that i won't ascend because i believe that my path
is already mapped out and there is little i can do to change that, if i
ascend then fine, if i don't then fine too, i will make the best of either
situation. that doesn't mean i will just sit here and watch the story
unfold i will make best efforts towards ascension because that is what
i would like to do, i just feel that ultimately that is not my choice to
make, that's just my opinion.

fear is like any other human emotion, it must be recognized, understood
and employed in the correct way, and i agree with you about listening to
your soul or higher self, it is the best guide for you on a personal level.

i like your quote about water that is very good analogy.

here's a more famous one for you:

yea, though i walk through the valley of the shadow of death, i will
fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff they comfort
me. psa. 23:4

love and light

christian.