2012 The Astronomy Connection

[litllady]

Can someone plz help me understand something. I keep reading that in 2012 our sun will line up with the galactic center. Didnt this already happen in 1997? Can someone help me understand this. If it truly did happen in 1997, why is it so important that it will line up again. I thought this only happens every 26,000 or so. I looked it up and the sun surely enough aligned itself with the galactic center. It as well accoured during a winter solstice. Mabey Im misinterpreting something here.

Peace to all,
Lynette

[vithar]

hey that's a good catch. i wonder....

one thing that bothered me was that i used to frequent this backyard astronomer who submitted sun spot observations (to whatever that organization was, for over ten years. i saw them). i'd show up after reading all kinds of freaky stuff about the sun and everything else going on...
i'd say "zieg heil, what's goin' on up there!?" he'd say, "nothing much"...

i asked him if the activity was increasing, or anything. he said every thing was normal. Arrg!

could've been his telescope.... but perhaps he was limited to specific observations.

i don't doubt what's going on in the system. funny to, i actually read 10 years ago that the sun was going into the blue(er) part of the spectrum (and that things would change yadda).

and i must say somewhere; i've "stalking the wild pendulum". the author is dead now. from all my perusals online tho, it seems a heckuvalotta folks have been borrowing his work. he even had this little sketch of stick folks with silver cords (coming from a cloud of higher selves).
(in some other point in time) i found this other site with an Elaborate painting of this. there was no credit given to the deceased author. so i'll have to assume he came up with the exact same idea on his own. this is possible. but it just looked too close.....

well litllady, it's up to you to solve this. i'd like a report on my desk at 13:00 hours (LST) on tuesday. wait, where did you get your info?

[SuperManny]

I keep reading that in 2012 our sun will line up with the galactic center. Didnt this already happen in 1997? I thought this only happens every 26,000 or so. I looked it up and the sun surely enough aligned itself with the galactic center.
Position A is where the December solstice sun was in relation to the Milky Way some 3,000 years ago. Position B is 1,500 years ago. And position C is "era-2012", when the December solstice sun has converged, as a result of the precession of the equinoxes, with the exact center-line of the Milky Way (the Galactic equator). Notice that the place of alignment is where the 'nuclear bulge' of the Galactic Center is located.
http://alignment2012.com/images/aligncover.jpg

[vithar]

seems straight forward. what exactly was the set up in 1997? perhaps they were generalizing. maybe it does'nt matter....considering that other post on that egyptian zodiac.

[litllady]

http://www.artideas.com/Why2012/Why2012.html

Hello Vithar-I found the above site helpful because on down the site it gives alignments going back to 1997. LightEye posted a great link on the thread 'Galactic alignment 2012'. It shows that we are in a 'hub' of time of the crossings. From what I figure, 2012 will be the time we first start to exit this 'hub' and it will take some time to totally exit it. Some say the hub is 36 yrs, some say 18, but either way, 2012 lies in the middle of the hub so to say. Now this is just what 'I' gather, still many things are coming to light everyday it seems.

I take great interests to the zodiac cross with the time of ages. It just so happens that while we enter this age of Aquarius, my birth sign lies opposite of this time. Like if you look at a clock, and the big hand is pointing to Aquarius, the opposite sign of the big hand is my birth sign, which is a mixed sign of Leo and Virgo. In 2012, the famous star Regulus ( the heart of Leo) will become a star of the Virgo. I find this is intriguing. Another great idea comes around the pyramids and the sphinx. What if the sphinx is a Virgo Leo sign?!? If you look back at the age of Leo, you go back to about 12,000yrs. Was this time the beginning of something and also the end of something?!? In Greek the word Sphinx means to connect or bind together. Being that I found out this past year that I could be either or, Virgo or Leo, I have been going through a time of 'binding together'. Some interesting videos are on youtube that talk about the sphinx being the sign of the end and beginning. Graham Hancock has some great videos of how and when the Sphinx lines up during a certain time with Virgo and Leo. When the sphinx aligns with Virgo Leo rising before it, it is also the time when the pyramids align with their 3 stars in Orion.
So I guess going back 12,000yrs ago, the pyramids and the sphinx were aligned with their original place and purpose. I know many claim the pyramids arent that old...but how do we know that there wasnt a 'mark' of some sort, mabey early buildings or sacred sites that were marked in this important place, then in later years, the wise civilizations took it a pone themselves to continue in carrying the importance of the 'mark' of these sacred spots on our earth by building the most awesome sites ever here on earth.
I can tend to look to much into things before I can cipher the importance with clarity. But there is defiantly something whispering through our zodiac cross. Hope this helps...

Peace to all,
Lynette

[SuperManny]

Maybe I'm being too simplistic, but the way I understand it, the alignment in 1997 was simply a planetary alignment, and not a galactic algnment. The 12/21/2012 alignment is all this and much more, mostly because of the sun also being in the galactic center for the first time in a very long time. I like the hub analogy! :)

[vithar]

thanks for sharing. as for astrology check this; http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2005/02/what_do_you_mea.html

i noticed you posted in that thread on the egyptian dendera zodiac. the one that has everything in reverse; devolution.

it seems every system out there contradicts the others.

i actually paid to start my course with the AFA two days ago... only to find that review above (tho i knew some of it beforehand. i did'nt realize it was so bad).

i must face the fact that i've spent the last 20 years in pure speculation (not just astrology but all this stuff) - and have absolutely nothing to show for it but an enfeebled mind and dissociated personality.

this is being hard in some ways. i did realize i was reading stuff similar to novels and movies.

the major problem is that this stuff was and is cooked up. this has been admitted by pro astrologers...as well as ceremonial magicians in their systems as well.

now i'm not talking about the sea of energy and stuff like that.
maybe someone has a counter to that piece above? or anything......

and dreams. i now think this is like with anything else. Some folks are gifted this. while the rest are basically chasing shadows.

[litllady]

Hello to all,

Ive been pondering what you said Vithar about the Egyptian calendar being in reverse. I finally got the time to look some things up and I still find that the Egyptian calendars really seem to follow a solid source for their information, their source being the stars. I think some look at it as being backwards when looking at a Egyptian zodiac circle as a picture. With our eyes observing this circle of ages on a piece of paper lets say, we could easily interpret that it seems to be moving backwards. But when we take the circle idea and put it in our mind to observe with the logic that standing on earth and looking out at the sun, the constellations are the minute hand that does move in our logical way of thinking which is clockwise. (Not sure what you meant by moves in reverse) When we are an observer considering that the sun has been rising in the constellation Pisces for the last whatever number of years we see the minute hand slowing moving clockwise to the next age of Aquarius. Even though we wont be directly 'in' Aquarius, we wont be in Pisces either. Therefor we have the cusp of time in between these 2 ages. (Just my gathering here)

I still find it important that the Egyptian zodiac calenders show they new of precession. This is very important to us.If they didnt understand precession then why would we have different ages. We would remain in the same age. The Egyptians clearing did not think that we had one age or would stay in one age. This is not something one can observe in ones lifetime. This is knowledge that had to of been passed on or figured over great amounts of time. I find that almost every religion has stories that resemble the Egyptian stories of history and humans ect....The ideas of virgin births and a father God and a son born at a particular time of the stars and the tree of life and the serpent and the crucifixions a pone a tree at a certain time all go back to the Egyptian stories.

Now when looking at the Egyptian calendars I find it important to not only notice in what age the sun is rising but the fact that we could be at a half way point of a full great year. Does this have any significance for us? I dont know and no one probably does. That is where we have to remind ourselves to be careful when we speculate things like old images, calendars, language ect...for we truly cant read anything 100%. But I for one, feel very fortunate that my soul has the chance to live during a time of 'change in the ages'.

If you have any links that can help me see why some pro-astrologers think all of these stories were cooked up I would love to read them! For I am simply a person on a path and love to see others ideas!

Some astrologers think they can debunk the zodiac signs because they can prove that horoscopes and birth signs cant give a reading on a person. Well when you consider all the mis guided astrologers out there who think they can give horoscopes ect....you can see that true astrology has lost its meaning. There for we have all the secret little groups that claim they know the true knowledge ect ect....in a sense, they do. They know that you can read the stars like a clock and that geometry and numbers have special meanings. To me I feel that was the whole reason for the Egyptians keeping time with the star, it was to for-tell the time of ages that would come . If they only needed to know when to plant their crops or when to expect colder weather, they wouldnt need the stars for that. They could do that with the sun and moon. But they did use the stars because the stars keep the most accurate calendar in telling the times of past and future to come. They knew about the precession of the stars to the earth which they used to set up as a calendar more or less, the zodiac, the clock of ages.

I can sense that you are tired of the searching and muffeling through all this stuff Vithar:) . That is probably a sign that your more mature in your soul growth then those like me who seem to still enjoy the search of old stuff that ultimately leads us to know that all in all, its about your life and how you live it is what truly matters. You have referred to it(searching) as chasing shadows and I soo see what you mean by that. It really is true because nothing is for certain. But mabey, just mabey, the time of ages in the Great Year are truly the only thing we can know for certain. I know this doesnt mean there is factual significance for the time of ages but something tugs at me telling me there is!

Ill post a couple links that I found of interests, but just like with any link of any information, you must read between the lines for what feels right to you.

The second link is a site that has alot continuing pages that go over alot of ideas. The exact link I chose to post is in the middle of the continuing pages. So if you find it in itself interesting, then go to the home page to start from the first page. They all contain interesting stuff.

I also want to say that the Egyptians talk about the time of purification. This time of purification seems to be parallel with a time of ages changing. The time of purification can be parallel with the time of creation as well. Time of purification can be the time of the sudden changes we see in our past of sudden evolution. Could we be right around the corner of aother time of purification?

http://ancientegypt.hypermart.net/treasuremap/index.htm

http://www.siloam.net/jenkins/5thsun3.html#top



Peace to all,
Lynette

[vithar]

thanks for the lovely post. i think perhaps the egyptian's lore is older. they inherited it from pre cataclysmic peoples (surviving initiates). i hear there were factions back then. the well meaning initiates and the ancestors of today's ptb types. something like that. the latter did a good job in "purifying" the former.

we love the stars to. and it's funny you mention the two hands of a clock. L. Graham has this in his model, tho where the less commonly referred to hand is actually where we are at; the zodiacal night (of materialsm).

these cycles are too long, as you say. but i don't think it was the direction of the course through the zodiac itself. it was the (resultant) quality of consciousness that was on a down swing. again, does'nt this coincide with the kali yuga? maybe i got that wrong.

...... but last night i was able to slightly influence my dreams again. without getting lucid that is. this is new for me.

just hit up skeptic sites (on astrology). alas, their arguments are fair and good. unless of course we are really dealing with somekinda quantum holographic puzzle maze time wheel...
yesterday i went back to astrolabe for another free natal chart
brief. this time i put in some other time and local. there was still stuff i could really relate to in that report.
my own report seems fairly on. but if you play them off each other they come out (% wise) the same in misses and hits...
some astrologers do seem to have profound insight tho.

another thought i had was about STO. when did this Phrase become so vogue? i think this is mainly an american (new age) thing. most anyone is for this but i find it very coincidental that the ptb's Intent is to make the US a ....service oriented economy. to wipe out factories and manufacturing (off to china etc). this is what brings countries down. this was the plan. and their main weapon as of recent has been psy-ops. that's all they need these days! just a nutty thought.....

[LightEye]

Dear Friends,

http://bilgeileyaveri.blogcu.com/1769977/

Be Well, Be Love.

David

2012 & The Secret of the Venus Node Movement
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2012 & The Secret of the Venus Node Movement
(An English Translation of the original German essay by Karl-Heinz Homann)

What do Maya-Researchers, „2012 Prophets” and Astronomers have in common? Answer: They all know very little about the mysterious and harmonious node movement of Venus and its significance for Earth!

The experts at NASA believe that the universe was created with a Big Bang. Thus any observed phenomenon that cannot be categorized by conventional physics is attributed to chaos and coincidence. This kind of thinking is also being applied to the node movement of the almost circular orbit of Venus, for which there is still no plausible scientific explanation.

According to the lunisolar precession model, the complete revolution of the Earth around the Sun is approximately 50.26" less than 360°. This means that the value of the Right Ascension of any fixed reference star increases annually by 50.26”, and thus it takes about 25800 years for the Earth to make one complete retrograde motion around the Sun. In this model, the inclined orbital plane of Venus also moves retrograde around the Sun* – i.e. against the direction of the orbital motion of the planets. However, reality proves that the node line of Venus migrates forward through the Earth’s seasons ( tropical year) in the direction of the planetary movement.

Since astronomers believe that the true 360° orbit of the Earth around a “fixed” Sun is about 20 minutes longer than the tropical year, they try to explain the presumed retrograde motion of the planetary orbital planes by the gravitational influences of the planets themselves. They do not recognize that such a retrograde motion is merely an apparent motion, because the entire solar system rotates in space ( probably around another star). The movement of our solar system is therefore, the actual cause for the gradual progression of the fixed stars from the vernal equinox – a phenomenon that has been observed for thousands of years.

[LightEye]

Dear Friends,

http://www.december212012.com/articles/solar/2012_The_Astronomy_Connection.htm

Be Well, Be Love.

David

2012 The Astronomy Connection
The following article was written by Roderick Marling and posted on his Kamakala.com website.

Mr Marling gives an excellent explanation of the astronomy behind the Winter Solstice 2012 event, and the possible symbolism behind the mystery of this much-discussed occurance, the Mayan calendar date of 13.0.0.0.0 that corresponds to the winter solstice date of 12-21-12 at 11:11 PM UT (which in itself is an interesting set of numbers!)

From the beginning of Time human beings, from the most primitive to the most culturally sophisticated, have followed and recorded the natural rhythms and cycles of the Earth. The intricate dance between the Earth and the other heavenly bodies has been the source of wonder and amazement giving rise to innumerable stories and myths all over the world. Many of these stores are still passed on today.

Ancient people of the Earth were concerned with these natural rhythms and cycles because their lives and livelihood depended on them. In certain times of the year food was plentiful in certain regions and not in others. At certain times the rains would come, at others they could expect the heat and drought. They also observed that fertility was somehow linked with the cycles of the Moon.