Why would a reincarnation have similar physical features?

[dazcox]

i believe that dw is the reincarnation of ec, i haven't finished the book yet, but it seems right to me.

what i don't understand is why those two (and others i assume) have to look similar. what's the reason? it's not biology as they aren't blood relatives.

is the similarity just for the publics benefit to help them understand and believe?

perhaps the soul itself helps fashion the physical body?

[Art]

i believe that dw is the reincarnation of ec, i haven't finished the book yet, but it seems right to me.

what i don't understand is why those two (and others i assume) have to look similar. what's the reason? it's not biology as they aren't blood relatives.

is the similarity just for the publics benefit to help them understand and believe?

perhaps the soul itself helps fashion the physical body?

yep! right on!

from my understanding, consciousness creates biology, not the other way around. correct? most of the material thats available points to the conclusion that we are not a static physical being, but a dynamic spiritual being having a physical experience. put another way, the new paradigm supports a holisitic view rather than a reductionist view - i.e.:

* - you are not just body; you're body replaces itself every 7 years or so
* - you are not just mind; people with brain damage still have consciousness
* - you are not just spirit; you can think, observe, and experience; and you do have a body (at this moment)...

so, while the body and "brain" are just temporary physical manifestations of consciousness, that consciousness transcends space and time (now start going into density, etc.).

how does consciousness then "create" the body? well, while there are 50 trillion individual cells that make up "you", each of these cells has dna - the common "link" for lack of a better word. the russian research david has pointed out (and is elsewhere) points to the conclusion that dna is similar to a microcomputer and also a receiver. a receiver of what? consciousness energy (for lack of a better term)... this is how all 50 trillion cells "behave in concert" so that you can experience reality in this plane, at this time...

there is tons of research and material out there (most links from this forum) that i used to form this perspective. and, although not complete per se, it is ever expanding and becoming more clear...

so, it kinda makes sense - same consciousness (at a higher level) , similar (if not same) biology...

tried to make it short... whatcha think?

art

[AmelieJolie]

i was watching an interview with wynn free, and he was saying that a channeling revealed that the soul remembers the dna from a previous life-time.....

i think this is possible, but i don't think it is necessary.

i think we a free to chose.
in some instances, this would be what the soul wants.

i personally feel that in instances with david and others, the facial similarities are signs to help guide.

[dazcox]

have there been other famous cases then? i think abe lincoln was said to have reincarnated into jf kennedy and someone showed facial similarities. anyone hear of any others? it seems unlikely like david is the only example of this.

[SuperManny]

you might find this (http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=274&itemid=30) interesting. ;)

[mellisamouse]

you might find this (http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=274&itemid=30) interesting. ;)

i know! that is wayyyyy cool! :) i just wish i had a bunch of their other pictures too look through and find me, lol....i googled "edgar cayce friends" images the other night and was loking through every picture i could find, lol. ;)

[Robert Riedel]

greetings campers-

the subject of this thread has, and continues to be the subject of much research on the web in recent years, with many contributing input and pictures.

our 2nd president, john adams has been back, and busy working on this topic for more than a few years now, and has accumilated quite a body of evidence, with pictures. his work parallels dw's method of presenting his own case, as well as hundreds of others, concentrating on the return of the many souls involved in our american revolution, as well as other compeling examples.

for a fun trip down "memory lane," check out-
http://www.johnadams.net/index.html

bob

[dazcox]

ahhhh so women can be reincarnated from men and viceversa? i mean i always figured that gender couldn't be the same in each reincarnation as there are specific challenges to face in each.

there seem to be a lot of gender issues, some of the more obvious are people who feel like they are actually the opposite sex and strive to 'change' with surgery and hormones etc, could past lives have anything to do with this confusion?

[Nina]

hi everyone,
one book that had an impact on me was [please e-mail for title and author] (his research is about birthmarks and how there appears to be a carryover from past-life related incidents, typically related to cause of death, into the current lifetime(stab wounds/now scar,etc).

have not read much about physical resemblence, but a steiner list friend shared this from occult science,p.318, related to change of gender and noted there are many variations. nina

see www.rsarchive.org
(books, occult science, ch 7, man's life after death)
when the ether-body is detached from the human being after death (see chapter iii,) something that may be described as a kind of extract or quintessence of it remains for the whole of his future evolution. this extract contains the fruits of the past life. it is the bearer of the “seed” of his coming life — the seed which is developing throughout man's spiritual evolution between death and a new birth.
the length of time between death and a new birth is determined by the fact that as a rule the i of man returns into the physical world only when this world has been so transformed as to give opportunity for new experiences. while the ego is in the spiritual worlds, man's earthly dwelling-place is changing. in one respect this change is connected with the changes that are taking place in the great universe — changes for example, in the relative position of the earth to the sun. periodic changes involving cosmic repetitions are connected with the development of new conditions on the earth. they find expression, for example, in the fact that the region of the heavens where the sun rises at the vernal equinox makes an entire circuit in about 26,000 years. throughout this period of the vernal point has therefore been moving from one region of the heavens to another, and in a twelfth of this period of time — that is to say, in about 2,100 years — conditions on the earth will have altered sufficiently for the soul to be able to have essentially new experiences upon earth. moreover as these experiences differ according to whether one is incarnating as a woman or as a man, two incarnations will as a rule take place during this time — one as a man, one as a woman. however, these things also depend upon the forces gathered during earthly life — forces the individual takes with him through the gate of death. therefore all such indications as have been given here are only valid in the most general sense; there will be many and manifold individual variations.

[dazcox]

when the ether-body is detached from the human being after death (see chapter iii,) something that may be described as a kind of extract or quintessence of it remains for the whole of his future evolution. this extract contains the fruits of the past life. it is the bearer of the “seed” of his coming life — the seed which is developing throughout man's spiritual evolution between death and a new birth.that makes sense, after all if we build on our past lives then we should retain some of the past ones!

but would a birthmark where a scar was on a former life be a clue then? a clue so that you could have a tangiable nugget of proof if you suspected you were reincarnated from a particular person?

if a birthmark where the previous incarnation was stabbed is noted and it isn't meant to be a clue is it just some kind of 'side effect'?

[Sal]

i did hear once of a regular guy who once visited an old church as a tourist and dicovered a statue of a past prominant church leader carved in his own present image. apparently everyone around him at the time, including present day church leaders at the church were astounded at the similarities.

after a reading he was told that he deliberately chose to incarnate in the same body in many of his lifetimes in order to leave himself messages and alert him to his past life experiences.
the funny thing was that he said that he wasn't even that spiritual in any way in his present life and didn't really know why he was at this old church in the first place...he said his life has taken a turn now towards spirituality, which was obviously the plan. maybe his higher self guided him to that church, knowing he would follow his intuition regardless of wether it made sense to him or not at the time.

[Nina]

dear daz and everyone,
sent you the book title and you can research further. author details much in the area of spiritual perception, for instance, what he calls "announcing dreams" where a soul presents itself to the future mother with specific info,etc.
had also checked out the books(re-famous persons reborn) that robert reidel linked in this thread.i was especially interested because the author, walter semkiw, makes the statement that rudolf steiner has reincarnated, identity not given.
have personally become very cautious about material given through trance work since i read "secret brotherhoods and the mystery of the human double" by steiner, which reveals more about occult politics and the wk of the brothers of the left-hand path. (this is not meant to question integrity of semkiw,etc, rather it is the process and the vulnerability to influences. we have a sense of this in david's 2012 video where he mentions cayce and hallaliel). i certainly cannot speak about the validity of trance sources semkiw used. i have become even more cautious about "who said what and why" in terms of motives, in everything i read. i am considering the claims given here in this article by martha keltz, "rudolf steiner returns":
http://www.geocities.com/steinerreturns/

"the author of this article, martha keltz, has a unique and very deep relationship with the being who was known as rudolf steiner, and has a sacred duty to tell you about it, to reveal as much about this relationship as is possible in accordance with her understanding."

more articles at bottom of link, 'interview with gotthard killian, past lives of maitreya bodhisattva and rudolf steiner. plus, the group share link where their current research can be read. if any of this helps any of you, that is my intention. nina

[larissa]

i've researched thorugh observation, the genetic similarities in my own family, specially my kids and their resemblance in all sorts of quirky ways to other members of the family. to me it went beyond the realm of belief that there could be such strong resemblances. so it's not too difficult for me to make the transition to reincarnational characteristics.
recently a lady shaman told me my last incarnation was beethoven, which i totally reject. however, it just so happens that i adored beehoven as a teenager, had his statue on my piano, and learned as many pieces of his that i could. she didn't know that, of course. so what's that all about? i have no answers, but it's all very interesting....

[AmelieJolie]

my brother looks a lotlike someone too, a founder of a church. he also has the same birthday. i don't know what to make of it. i was also reading a book related to this person when another date jumped out at me- the day his brother was baptized- my birthday....

perhaps its just all a part of synchronicity, showing how we are all connected? :confused:

i believe there are soul groups....

i've always been so curious about reincarnation and i got this reading, this karmic astrology thing through the post from someone well known who has written a number of books. i'm not absolutely certain about these lives yet, but the astrology was spot on and i can certainly imagine being a nun in at least one life! lol.
she also said something about my moon conjunct pluto aspect relating to having been a high priestess sometime going way back, long ago?
hmmm......

[dazcox]

i wonder if a famous person (the soul that was once in one rather) would feel a sense of duty to reincarnate (and remember!) as many times as possible to spread the word perhaps?

[litllady]

i think the past self, which ultimately, is a part of the higher self, has certain opportunities to bring us here with symbols or certain things that will spark our minds and spirit. i think you could defiantly use a birth mark as a sign of a past scar or something.

my dad looks so much like albert einstein it isnt even funny, its kinda scary. i myself have a strong desire to have long hair, i think my long hair satisfies a tickle in a past self, or my whole ultimate higher self. i feel that our birth signs can be a big sign for this life's purpose. we dont need these reminders, but our higher self can choose to do so to help us be comfortable in this strange world that we feel we dont belong in. i dont find it just a happenstance that my father and i are both virgo/leos, we both are on this cusp. we both have this passion for the stars that is unshakable. i feel that i have been tied to this life on earth in the past with my father.

i told my father the other day that he looks like albert einstein. he laughed and said he wasn't that smart. but this is my dad being his humble self, because he is a genius, nothing less. he just simply has no time to explore with his genius mind for we are so consumed carrying for my mother.

my father started working at a factory right after high school. he learned through trial and errors, and with in a few years, was working as a journeyman electrician without a degree. he left alcoa(his first job) to go to caterpillar when i was about 10 yrs old, for his experience was far beyond what the degree would give someone. one night, like 2 in the morning, he received a call from alcoa. their whole computer system shut down and no one could get it going. right then and there at 2 in the morning, they offered him more or less what ever he wanted, if he would just come in and get their system back up and running. it made front page of the paper because it was considered a real astonishment, that one man alone was what it took to figure out what went wrong. ill never forget it.

i always saw the resemblance in my father and albert, but i didnt beleive in reincarnation till this past year. now, im not sure what to think about my father and albert. mabey i should google alberts birth date. its fun to think about things like this, but i try to stay grounded, for its easy to get carried away with assumptions.

peace to all,
lynette

[ouporblowup]

im aware that david looks just like edgar but does that mean everyone looks roughly (eye color, face, size) the same in every life?

if not do you go between species?

do we continue to reincarnate on earth until we reach 4d?

any info, opinions or links with this type of material?

.peace n love.

[dpaw]

amazingly enough i think i may have just discovered who i am from at least one of my past life experiences.

conscious life expo was a very culminating event chock full of wild synchronizations i did not expect.

but really it feels like more of a test than anything. getting caught up in an identity seems to be only a limiting factor. i doesn't really matter who i was back then because i am here now in this moment experiencing this life... doing the best that i believe i can do.

should i attempt to meet up with supposed ancient brethren? am i already surrounded by ancient brethren? what is my next move after discovering this information....

once again i find myself taking steps in the dark, knowing that great spirit will handle all accordingly.

i can do nothing but be as patient as possible, and while i may know nothing, revel in my invulnerability.

:)

[pclunatix]

some pretty informative replys and i figured i'd post how i would answer this question, maybe it's helpful in some way. someone mentioned in earlier post that consciousness energy creates the body which i guess is basicly what it is and my idea is that you always have a type of viberation that you carry in this energy which your physical fetures resembles and which only changes so much over time therefor you may appear similar after incarnations. obviously there are many factors as others pointed them out before me but to me this seems to be one of the main ones.

[12thUranus]

i think the only reason dw looks like ec is because of the very similar astrological charts and not because they are the same entity. they may be the same entity, but i don't think this is why they look similar.

i see facial similarities between persons across races, across nations, and across the globe. these people with real similarities exist today, and not in different generations.

i've had past life regression of being a gorilla, of being female, and of being an unusual et. i don't look like any of them today. most likely, my astrological chart doesn't match any of them either.

if the majority of humans have incarnated on other planets, are we to assume we look like we did then? i don't think so.

[onething]

it seems to me that the best books to evaluate some of these questions are michael newton's books, which david has mentioned at least twice on his radio shows. lots of data from thousands of real hypnosis sessions.

people definitely do change it up in the incarnation experiences, but it might also be a pattern to repeat a similar mental-physical type for a few incarnations, until all the lessons are learned. one lifetime is just so short!

it seems to me that being able to pull off a similar appearance must be a combination of dna with soul force. i recently read something about buddha's teachings on what reincarnates. there were five things, not just the consciousness, but also the will, emotional impressions/opinions and "form." the possibility of astrological influences are also interesting.

[LightSighted]

what about the idea that each person writes their own life history......if someones energy signature affected the outward appearance of their physical body...then thats the same as saying there is no choice when it comes to how we can learn what it means to be beautiful, or ugly....tall or short....fat skinny...etc...if our energy dedremines our looks..then the whole idea of us as our spiritual selves reincarnating go out the window.
creator beings of light energy...or whatever ya wanna call what we really are...we can do whatever we want to whatever we want to do it to.....change, rearrange, create all things...in this incarnation you look and talk and your personality traits were hand picked just by you.
its hard to really grasp what we are......i was watching star trek, the next generation...with captain john luke...data...worph..etc.....the show i was watching indroduced a new character that was called que......if you ever get the chance to watch an episode with que in it ....watch it, gene rodenbury must have known something. maybe he created the character que to help our 3d minds to see what we really are.
just a thought.

[SpiralCycle]

well also the characteristics of any form seem to also usually represent what that thing is. i seem to have noticed that things don't look certain ways randomly and usually they way they are build is a representation of the internal manifesting itself as an expression externally.

i think this is very true with people. even though they say don't judge a book by the cover which is true in some situations i think also when you look at people and take in their total appearance and they way the move ect... you can gain a lot of insight into the soul that inhabits that person (if you are a keen observer).

so i think it is a matter of pure science and the way things form. although astrology might contribute i think some people that incarnate choose to make different choices in their birth as far as their astrological influences because it might give them a different perspective to operate their souls pattern in.

i am sure eventually who know how long or if it is on this planet or not but eventually science will reveal there are strong correlations between the less dense forms that logarithmically grow or show into a more dense form.

kind of like you shall know the tree by its fruits kind of deal.

hope this helps good discussion though. glad to read everyone's contribution.

[scottki]

this is something that i do not accept until i see a ra passage on it. to me people look like their parents so how does that work?

what ra did say though is that negatives not only choose to incarnate in to positions of power, but try to incarnate in to a beautiful body. this would tie in with the theory as beautiful people will tend to have similar lives. that is the ironic thing, to the atheist being beautiful is a blessing, but to the loo student, we know that it is one of the easiest ways to be tempted to feeling superior and therefore separate and elite.

[scottki]

giving it more thought the similarities between parent and child could be due to the possibility that families tend to incarnate together. the best way to resolve karma between people is to replay it right? the thai budhists often believe they are a deceased ancestor for example.

[12thUranus]

i was going to link to this thread because eramthin* came up with some interesting, mind-popping realizations. nay, they were all lost in the first meltdown of the dc site this year.
http://divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?p=58860#post58860


sure, we incarnate with the same entities. how deep can we go with that? possibilities: multiple entities in one body. one entity spread throughout multiple bodies. a mixture of the two. a mixture across timelines. a mixture across galaxies. we aren't necessarily neat packages shoved in a box in the time/space manufacturing plant. the universe is more fluid, isn't it?

weren't we all 2d vibrations at one point as well? i mean, is there a sycamore from long ago with my nose and chin? :p

[billybobbutterball]

[quote=12thuranus

snip

sure, we incarnate with the same entities. how deep can we go with that? possibilities: multiple entities in one body. one entity spread throughout multiple bodies. a mixture of the two. a mixture across time-lines. a mixture across galaxies. we aren't necessarily neat packages shoved in a box in the time/space manufacturing plant. the universe is more fluid, isn't it?

weren't we all 2d vibrations at one point as well? i mean, is there a sycamore from long ago with my nose and chin? :p[/quote]

sycamore? no way! more likely a lonesome, old stubborn texas pine; much twisted and bent from facing up to the elements!

the last 50 pages in dolores' cannon's 2nd volume of the convoluted universe touches on some peculiarities of the human condition... it turns out on investigation that the soul is one thing, the spirit another -- surprise! they are not synonymous! mainly, the term, 'spirit' applies in general to the immediate and more obvious personal attributes of an entity...the soul is the underlying god principle that has been around for a couple of eternities busy doing it main job -- which as the ra has pointed out is in soaking up first-hand experiences.

an awesome fact that dolores ran into -- using her special brand of hypnotic regression -- was that many individuals were living multiple lives...the mundane housewife may have been unaware that her night job may have been that of saving a galaxy from a voracious time-worm...or even something more exotic. (well, okay, i'm guilty of overdoing my literary license)

anyway, the main point is that the soul extends through times and density. only a small part of the soul is incorporated into the human experience of the moment..(if the whole soul attempted to come into the 3d body it would be killed dead.)

...the portion of the soul coming in must blend with the human ego/personality...that is not so easily done...the human aspect has got its own agenda... sometimes the tail ends up wagging the dog! it is a delicate balance...if the soul comes in with too much power then events run too smoothly and nothing is learned via mistakes...(our most prized experiences are the difficult bumps in the road)

of course most here are familiar with the concept of walk-ins...but it seems that there is more involved...souls can smoothly drop in to help out...there might be several different ones helping out at particular times...childhood, teeny-bopper, mid-life crisis....hopefully even for old age :o

more strange stuff going on than i ever imagined!

of course the best i can hope to accomplish here today is to encourage further searching (apologies..my literary soul overseer editor is off busy on another project.)

the usual declaimer..."if it don't fit, don't wear it!"

your humble servant, bbb

[scottki]

what is the dc community's take on parallel universes and the spirit, karma and reincarnation?

[kanonathena]

i thought about the same question a long time ago. i think your look is the projection of your conciousness. ie. people who look alike tend to have same personality. this is an important mechanism in relationship between male and female, if a guy likes the looks of a woman, chances are they will have a good personality fit (love at the first sight, sleepless in seattle). in many cases, a couple do look similar to each other.

[Manna]

what ra did say though is that negatives not only choose to incarnate in to positions of power, but try to incarnate in to a beautiful body. this would tie in with the theory as beautiful people will tend to have similar lives. that is the ironic thing, to the atheist being beautiful is a blessing, but to the loo student, we know that it is one of the easiest ways to be tempted to feeling superior and therefore separate and elite.

by that same token you might feel superior being ugly. that you chose a humble vessel. some "ugly" people are bitter and elitist toward people with what they see as more beautiful looks. there are temptations everywhere.

i think beauty in body is the same as in art, it brings joy to the world. i love how different people look, and there's beauty in all if you see it that way. positives incarnate into beautiful bodies too. and the beauty one sees is not what another sees. it's all very subjectve, and i think the beauty of the soul radiating from inside is what makes anyone shine. and they become beautiful in their own way.

i think david's beautiful, but he's not elitist. and many beautiful people are insecure and have struggles with people only liking them for their looks. some don't even notice their own beauty and are occupied with other people and helping them.

[kanonathena]

imo that really depends on how you define beauty. one has to do with golden ratio (technical aspect), one has to do with the subtle difference in the configuration of your facial feature (vibrational aspect).

[12thUranus]

tap tap. hello? is this thing on? beeeep. oh. here we go. ....

beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

.... thanks folks. i'll be here all week.

----
how about a mesquite tree. three inch thorns. no shade value. good for injecting nitrogen into the soil. drought tolerant. best of all- burns hotter than any other wood. :d

[scottki]

by that same token you might feel superior being ugly. that you chose a humble vessel. some "ugly" people are bitter and elitist toward people with what they see as more beautiful looks. there are temptations everywhere.

absolutely. but good looking people in our society tend to be treated differently, put on a pedestal. we all like to look at beautiful things right? and it is this that may make them start to feel different, superior. i happen to have been born in to a physical vehicle that people have referred to as very good looking (i still feel guilty about saying it even when i know that we are all one, there is no skill in it and my current vehicle is only one of millions probably) . it also intimidates people again leading to the temptation to dominate people. you are right, certain people take an instant dislike, feeling superior themselves. usually big men who i guess feel that they could kill me and take the imagined beautiful girl friend for themselves! because i got als at 25, perhaps the lesson i am here to learn is that appearances are not important.

i have just gone back looking for the quote and i think i misinterpreted it, for although negatives tend to incarnate for wealth, ease of existence, and the utmost opportunity for power:



54.21 questioner: would a negatively oriented entity do anything like this? could you give me an example?

ra: i am ra. a negatively oriented individual mind/body/spirit complex will ordinarily program for wealth, ease of existence, and the utmost opportunity for power. thus many negative entities burst with the physical complex distortion you call health.


i misinterpreted the below quote. i think ra is saying that all fifth density entities are very fair to look upon in your standard of beauty.



62.21 questioner: when the orion entity who waits us seeking the opportunity to attack is with us here can you describe his method of coming here, what he looks like, and what his signs are? i know that this isn’t too important, but it might give me a little insight into what we are talking about.



ra: i am ra. fifth-density entities are very light beings although they do have the type of physical vehicle which you understand. fifth-density entities are very fair to look upon in your standard of beauty.

[onething]

what ra did say though is that negatives not only choose to incarnate in to positions of power, but try to incarnate in to a beautiful body. this would tie in with the theory as beautiful people will tend to have similar lives. that is the ironic thing, to the atheist being beautiful is a blessing, but to the loo student, we know that it is one of the easiest ways to be tempted to feeling superior and therefore separate and elite.

giving it more thought the similarities between parent and child could be due to the possibility that families tend to incarnate together. the best way to resolve karma between people is to replay it right? the thai budhists often believe they are a deceased ancestor for example.

i have known many very beautiful people who are very good. there are actually lots of beautiful people so there may be several reasons to end up beautiful. newton thinks that less mature souls want to have a fun life and often try to get beautiful bodies, whereas more serious souls take on life tasks that will help them develop and overcome the need to incarnate.

soul families incarnate together, but they don't come back to the same genetic line over and over.
i think we would be silly to decide that genetics are somehow not important in how one looks. some of these famous cases of reincarnations with a similar face take place many generations later and even in different countries. if the person wanted to keep a certain type of appearance then perhaps they had to shop for the right genetic parents. but then the personality could mold the appearance quite a lot, and we all know many people who don't look like their siblings, or who do but their very different personalities make a huge difference despite the genetic similarity. i know a pair of identical twins who are living very different lives and the difference in appearance has grown ever larger over the years, and you might not even notice that they are twins any more.

billybob, i have thought about whether there is both a soul and a spirit, but i had them sort of reversed from the way you have them. i see the soul as the individuality and personality and it is the part of us that becomes ever more pure over the millenia. the spirit is pure, uncorrupted and uncorruptable and is a godly substance.

[Manna]

i think it's an opportunity for a lesson in itself, to be beautiful, be proud, and then notice through life circumstances that it doesn't make you a better person. if you are "ugly" then what are you gonna learn except that you never had the chance to be beautiful? if you have that chance you can learn to be humble in a beautiful body, that i think is more of an achievement in some way.

and it's not always immature to take a beautiful body, i see nothing wrong with that, especially if the soul is already advanced in humility, it does not need to learn lessons there, so why not take a beautiful body for the sake of bringing beauty into this world? i see bodies as art, i'm sort of a sculptor.;) all forms of beauty are spiritual to me and art and love. if someone has a beautiful singing voice, that could make them proud, but isn't that also a way to bring beauty to this world? an artist brings beauty with his creations. also, people choose what they see, if you're vibrating high you see beauty in things others ignore.

i agree about the spirit and soul. to me spirit is the part that is pure and uncorruptable, the consciousness of god looking through us, and then the soul is the personality complex that goes from life to life learning and expanding and individualizing.

[billybobbutterball]

inspired by comments from onething anna and the manna guy (?)

thoughts on soul and spirit gathered from dolores cannon's 2nd volume, "the convoluted universe"

after spending 16 pages describing multiple souls filling in to help out struggling individuals, dolores stops to take a breath then begins to pull things together on p 614.

she says: that at her lectures a common question concerns the difference between soul and spirit. "are they the same thing? are the terms interchangeable --or are they two separate things?:confused:

dolores admits that she didn't have a real answer at first, because she was caught off guard. at that time she has assumed that they were just two different words describing the same splintered spark from the divine...and her first volume naively treats the two as such..

the point she makes is this: "you are not a body! you have a body! the physical body is only a temporary trapping...a suit of cloths (admittedly, some more fashionable than others!)

the real you is that little soul/spark of the divine that goes from body to body.the spirit is the individualized representation of the soul in an embodiment...therefore the spirit has its limitations by being cut off from the "larger', more encompassing soul. (thinking veil of forgetfulness, et al as featured in this special realm of free will )

--two dense pages later -- snip

.....it can be thought of a stepping-down system from the "all that is one creator" down the cosmic line to group souls, over souls...and of course including our temporarily differentiated examples -- one being 'me', e.g., the billybobbutterball.spirit.

snip two more pages good reading.

of course the post above is a hash of my own words overlaying those of the remarkable mrs cannon...understand, the good stuff belongs to her...the crummy parts? please attribute lame parts to that temp squatter residing in the bbb shell.

thanks guys! (gurls?) for bearing with me...bill g




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[Xisto]

i guess this might make us available with two einsteins!

[Manna]

lol thanks bbb for that.:p i forgot our soul is bigger than the meatsuit. good to be reminded!

[12thUranus]

i've considered the soul and spirit to be separately defined. i like this added perspective.

i came to view the soul as the soil in which seeds of the spirit grow. i can relate this to what you have relayed from dolores, bbb.

i think my view flip-flopped the roles compared to dolores's. ( maybe not? it can get confusing.) it really doesn't matter as long as two agree that one is localized and the other wide and encompassing.

either way, it is an interesting point to mention.

[xpectmiracles]

i am very intrigued by this topic. i have a different kind of question stemming from an interesting and strange thing my husband and the two serious boyfriends before him have in common . all of them have a scar from an injury to the tip of one of their fingers. i noticed this similarity between all of the significant men in my life, but have never spoken of it to anyone until now. could this be from some past life experience they have had? why is it that they all have this same kind of injury?
my intuition says there is something to it. when i met my husband-to-be and saw the scar on his finger, i was aghast! there was a feeling of de ja vu. we hadn't been dating long, but when i saw the scar i knew he would be a significant partner to me.
any comments or explanations?