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specialpeoples

03-23-2008, 09:54 AM

transiten

03-23-2008, 01:46 PM

?????

Have not read that yet, hope you did misread it because I'm not prepared to die that soon, I just started living some days ago!!! Tomorrow I'm going to rehearse "That's not the Shape of my Heart" by Sting with my violinist, but next week looks somewhat depressive in my transits...a lot of hard aspects to Saturn and other tension aspects too, hope it's not something with the forum....me being banned for being somewhat paranoid....hope I've evolved spiritually enough to make the best out of those transits...

Liliane

Silvanus Sanctus Germanus

03-23-2008, 02:02 PM

I believe even 3d earth will seem to "die" and then 4d space/time/time/space will emerge.:)

Sylvain

Through the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow, may the light shine !!

onething

03-23-2008, 07:41 PM

Basically, I want transfiguration.

Dying'll be OK if it involves going straight to 4D without loss of consciousness and with other people doing the same.

Silvanus Sanctus Germanus

03-23-2008, 08:21 PM

[QUOTE=QUESTION: As this transition continues into 4th density activation, in order to inhabit this 4th density earth it will be necessary for all 3rd density physical bodies to go through the process which we refer to as death. Is this correct? (B3, 92)
RA: This is correct."[/QUOTE]

Hello specialpeoples, welcome!

The "death" may simply be the death of our "form" which is an illusion along with this extremely limited memory in 3d.

When we go through this "death", we will enter "hyperspace" where time is eternal and we will get the opportunity to rejoin with our higher-selves temporarily, discuss our understanding and determine the level we are AT, then we are in a position to judge our own place in the octave, and then honorably take up that position at the start of the next cycle.

This "death" is something to welcome as part of the Logos' bleuprints.

During "Life" the idea is to take atvantage of every "Moment", in this the densest of illusions and hopefully achieve a level of Growth therefore taking one more step towards Oneness.

David speaks of a 3 way split or even more, if you count the timelines, of thease i'm not exacly sure but maybe someone may clairify.
1. ascention, as mentioned above to +4d earth.
2. ascention, as mentioned above to a -4d world.
3. ascention, as mentioned above to a 3d world in the case of repeaters.
?? 4. ?? might be an escape route of some sort, moon, underground, ETs, niburu, hollow earth, or there just might not be any escape per say if the "dimentional shift" affects the whole solar system at the same "time".

Sylvain

Through the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow, may the light shine !!!

eyez4096

03-24-2008, 12:02 PM

[Wow… this turned into a 4 page essay, but I hope that if this topic is important to anyone here then my input will be somehow valuable. It’s nothing more, and nothing less, than an outline of my perspective of the issue, including a small summary of Ra’s specific comment on the subject.]

[To the mods: I have no idea how you will react to this “essay” however, since it is certainly on topic, I’m sure it will be accepted. Furthermore, I would very much appreciate David’s input on this, and would hope that he gets word of its posting if you deem it of sufficient value. (you can omit this portion of the text)]

This is an interesting question – one which has been raised before and inevitably will be raised again – and one which I don't think anyone can truly answer. What I will do, since I've been thinking about this a lot recently, is try to tie in other information which can help to broaden the scope of what you are pondering.

There are several disjoint passages in the LoO which discuss this material from different perspectives and aspect angles. Let us consider some of them, though I won't be quoting any (it takes too long to dig them up).

First, in ~1940 the green ray vibrations began to enter the planetary system. Ra states that this process of increasing influx of green ray vibrations will continue, regardless of human intervention or harmonization, until approximately 2011. As of 1981, Ra stated that the planet was vibrating in green ray, but that there was great disharmony due to the primarily orange ray vibration of its 3d residents. They state that the disharmony would result in some inconveniences during the transition, and imply that this transition would be complete in ~2011. When asked if this ~2011 time will be the time of harvest, Ra states that this is a probable/likely time/space nexus for harvest, but they stress their difficulty in working within our concept of time.

In separate passages, Ra plainly states that the harvest is now (1981) and the process has already begun.

In yet a different set of passages, Ra suggests that the harvest process would continue for anywhere from 100 to 700 years due to the unpredictable nature of the future.

Ra states that 4d entities will not occupy the planet as wholly 4d beings until there are no remaining 3d entities – that 3d entities must go through the normal death process. They suggest that this includes the Indigos who are experiencing a dual-activated body to begin their 4d work during the transition.

Ra suggests that any non-incarnate entities from humanity would be included in the harvest process when it occurs – this passage was specifically related to the 2011 centered material.

Ra suggests that the 4d body complex would appear somewhat gradually due to the natural sexual reproduction process of evolution, but that it would -- as with the case of the transition from 2d to 3d – take only a couple generations (or a few hundred years, probably the same general figure from the 100-700 numbers). In a separate section they mention that the 4d body complex is made of different elements than the 3d body, implying that the change will be somewhat significant.

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Okay. Based on this somehow contradictory-seeming material, my thoughts have lead to the following conclusions which I will try to state plainly and cohesively.

The harvest is a process and not an all-at-once thing. However, there appears to be the concept of a focal or central point in the process. More than likely the harvest is a system with many parts. Some parts began ~70 years ago now. Some parts have not yet begun. But the system – the whole of harvest – is occurring even as I write.

If the previous statements are relatively correct – and I feel there is some evidence to support their validity – then the following hypotheses can also be considered:

We have been experiencing the portion of harvest related to the influx of new energies. We have been increasingly exposed to disharmony and the appearance of "insanity" as entities are unable to deal with the influx of this energy and its implications. The earth will be vibrating solely in green ray as of ~2011 (2012) and at this point another stage of harvest will begin.

Now, all of humanity cannot simply die, else how can the natural evolutionary process work, for the next few generations, to produce suitable fourth density body complexes? So there cannot be a single mass death of all human life. At least, it cannot be in the sense which the statement seems to imply.

Similarly, we cannot have both 4d and 3d entities incarnate at the same time since beginning 4d entities will not be able to "hide" their existence from 3d beings just yet. Here there is a major seeming contradiction in the Ra material as channeled. We can't be both alive and dead, but maybe this seeming contradiction stems from an incomplete synthesis of Ra’s statements. I think this can be resolved by suggesting that there will be two distinct portions of the death process of ascension, and I doubt either will seem overly traumatic.

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As of this point I have stayed firmly within the implications of the statements made by Ra. Now I will begin to more fully state my own vague set of half-conclusions which have been gradually forming in my mind for the last four years of studying the LoO as transcribed.

My suspicion, based on all of the evidence which I have been exposed to through David, my own intuition, and the gleaning of ripe intellectual fruits from this forum and other conversations, is that ~2011-13 will be a time when we experience a sort of singularity point in experiential reality. We will collectively – but as individuals – make a spontaneous and probably all-at-once shift from our current space/time into the corresponding time/space aspect of reality. At this point there will be the infamous three-way-split.

A possible scenario is one in which the 4d-positive-ready persons will go through their ascension process, the 4d-negative-ready ones their own process, and the non-harvested will experience the harvest only in so far as they will walk the line of light but be stopped within the 3d boundary. But this will be happening in time/space which, hypothetically, is singularly independent from space/time as we experience it. Basically, it could be a very long process but happen – as we measure time – instantaneously.

So then what happens? Well, one answer which would be consistent with the Ra material is as follows, though this is in no way the ONLY possible consistent scenario, nor necessarily the correct one: the beings, having completed the time/space aspect of harvest, return in consciousness to an appropriate space/time existence. It is conceivable that there would be no memory of the process. Consider also that there would likely be some significant "complications" in the earth's own transition and things like pole shifts et cetera are not out of the limits of possibility. Alternately, for those not harvested back into the earth plane, this singularity may mark the death process as well; in which case it would likely be completely sans trauma.

From here, my own personal explanation for the possible result looks something like this: We have three distinct experiences of reality after the singularity. One group remembers nothing, and their 3d earth experience simply ends, somehow "experienced" during time/space – no explainable 3d manifestation needs to account for this but something probably will. Their consciousness then is re-cycled into another planetary sphere to complete 3d work under the normal 3d conditions of forgetting.

A second group may experience any number of things – most likely a fantastic ascension process and the choice made in time/space to end their incarnation and begin their 4d experience elsewhere. They would have graduated 4d negative and would, for all intents and purposes, choose to leave their old 3d body behind to rot and recycle into the new earth. I suspect their consciousnesses would join some other sphere at an appropriate space/time during which a negatively harvested planet is going through a negative analog of the experience described below.

The third group perceives that there was a great metaphorical storm but that a great new light shines after its completion. {The necessity for this stormy experience depends solely on the degree of understanding a new 4d entity is allowed to have. Ra has not clarified this, so we can’t really know.} Many have died or otherwise disappeared, but those who remain rebuild their society finding only some unusually like-minded beings, as reality begins to become more transparent and there is an increasingly understood evolution of mind/body/spirit. There would hypothetically be a new capacity for understanding of what/why happened to those who departed because for this group the veil of 3d experience would be effectively lifted. They continue to work on the earth which seems increasingly new and magical and find that within a couple of generations they are wholly 4d in experience.

Most importantly, those not remaining on earth would likely “die” as a part of the ascension process. Those who were harvested to remain, would not “die” immediately, but would live out the rest of their now 4d-ready experience building the foundation for the 4d understanding which is to come. I strongly infer (which is a silly sounding statement) that the death process of those not making harvest would NOT be traumatic. It would be somehow sudden, but ideally quite harmonious and well supervised by the light. Once the shift to time/space occurs, the restrictions of the veil are hypothetically non-necessary; this may mean that a death-like process is an experience only of a somehow detached bodily complex. The mind/spirit complex may then experience the life review aspect – quite possibly as a part of the harvest.

This set of experiences seems consistent with the bulk of information in the Ra transcripts, but has one element which continues to wreak havoc with my psyche: it implies a single unmistakable event which all-too-easily may fail to happen as foreseen. As such, I try not to put my "faith" in anything quite so spectacular coming to pass. I simply don't want to be disappointed, and I want to be totally capable of completing my work in this density if such an event does NOT happen especially at this time or in such a sudden way. It is also, most notably, only one of many possible occurrences and the Ra material is simply not sufficient to say anything beyond the following: something will happen and somehow a three-way-split will follow. It would have been an abridgement of free will if they had been at all more precise than that.

To me this means the following: it doesn’t matter which aspect of the three-way-split you would end up on, because it’s nothing to fear regardless. And, if you are on the positive path and a likely candidate for harvest, the MOST that you lose is your 3d playground of experience. And you gain ever so much more, including the potential, I assume, to continue playing in the sandbox of infinity if that is what you desire. As for wanderers, I strongly infer (I’m beginning to like that phrase) that a part of their continued mission may include the ability to begin to work as guides during the period of time immediately following graduation. The only reason I doubt this potential is that the veil would hypothetically be obsolete – allowing a wanderer to remember – which could potentially be an infringement even of 4d experience. Who knows? I certainly don’t, but I’m happy to share my confusion, out of love, with all of you.

-Charles Cox, PCV Ghana, though probably returning to the states in early august this year.

eyez4096

03-24-2008, 12:09 PM

mod: my net connection is very unstable in africa; if you did not receive a long post before this one please let me know and I will repost it. Thanks and/or sorry :D

-Charles

greywolf

03-24-2008, 02:45 PM

FooSnik

03-24-2008, 02:51 PM

This is the only thing that I am unclear about with this whole 2012 thing. I suppose to those of us who are being harvested it won't even seem like dying at all but a transformation out of the ashes like a phoenix. Especially if, like onething said, if we make the transformation along with our loved ones. If I go at the same time as my loved ones then I see no reason to stay here at all.

To the 3D'ers left behind it will seem like we have died. But really we have just advanced to a level out of their sight.

I would like to know if this death/transformation thing is going to happen all at once, the moment the clock strikes 2012? Or, are we going to continue the way we are until we have completed what we came here to do and then we move on as we please?

I suspect that we will continue with our lives past 2012 and move on when we are ready to.

Thanks for the great thread,
Foo :)

Art

03-24-2008, 03:57 PM

Well, none of us here have died yet, so its tough to say... (I know, I know, pretty obvious)

I'm not endorsing drug-use, but awhile back I read up on DMT. A source said that immediately before death that the bodies releases this chemical which is supposed to help with the transition to the afterlife. I believe it was released from the pineal, maybe the pituitary...

Well, supposedly anyone can harvest DMT from just about anywhere, smoke it, and have this experience (although can anyone say its the same experience?).

From what I've read it sounds pretty far out...and peaceful...

In relation to the 2012 event... I really don't know what to think. Is it going to be a rampup to that date? I think so. Is there going to be great change accelerating up to that date? I think so. Can any one of us imagine what the days up to and that day will be like? Uh, no. Not if you subscribe to the acceleration of change, etc.

I think it'll be a pretty crazy time - hoping to just be a beacon of light, radiating energy to those around me - kinda there, but not really interacting, just in an ecstatic trance of meditative bliss, a conduit of Light, a conduit of Love, energy flowing through me...

Kinda nice when you think about it... :rolleyes: In that state, the illusion of space and time is uncovered, the body is simply a vessel as our consciousness is completely free of the restrictions of the ego... :rolleyes: True energy, nothing more, nothing less...

Hoping these thoughts bring comfort and not fear - while we should be aware of the possibilities, there is nothing to fear.

Art

daresh

03-24-2008, 04:37 PM

David has made a nice article about it, the whole 2012 immediate ascension or 700 years gradualistic thing:
http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=332&Itemid=30
explains it pretty well

greets,
Filip

Silvanus Sanctus Germanus

03-24-2008, 04:58 PM

A near death experience.
Life or Death experience.
Accident.
Extreem stress.
Blow to the head. "Fall on your head"
Choking.
Drugs.
Discovery of Inteligent Energy.:)
Willfull Journey to Inteligent Infinity.:D

All are Paths among others, to experience !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(a crack in the Penal gland ???)

Maybe the illusion that we need to "die" to ascend is based on "fear" and the illusion of "time" might be based on "denial".

All I know is that there seems to be an explosion of catalyst, and it is ever increasing.

Sylvain

Through the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow, may the light shine !!!

transiten

03-24-2008, 05:21 PM

Hi Charles

Thanks for the effort you made to add some Good Old Commonsense to this question, exactly what I need with all my Neptunian transits. "The other side" always has a problem with timing, for that purpose, astrology is more reliable.

I think I'll die the ordinairy 3D-way, at least that's where I stand at the moment and yours is the only logical perspective I think. I always keep nagging about the imbalance between men an women also. F.i of all that can be "owned" here on Mother Earth, men own 98%. I don't think enough many will have changed until 2012 if that should be some definite point for ascension/harvest.

Interesting that "mater" is the same root as "materia". Nothing wrong with the material, it's the misuse of it and the imbalance between the material and spiritual realm that is problematic. We must not deny our bodies and glorify the spirit or we will end up like medieval dogmatic christians whippping themselves. Your body shall be your temple.

Bonne Nuit Liliane

FooSnik

03-24-2008, 06:20 PM

I keep forgetting what DW said. That you create your own destiny. If you imagine yourself in the midst of the apocalypse then you will be. So what do you really want??

I think I am finally ready for peace. I am ready to move on and experience life on the next loving level.

Cheers,
Foo :)

johnasmodeus

03-24-2008, 09:51 PM

I think that eyez gives a clear, coherent breakdown, and I concur with him that this is how I think it would be likely to play out. One of my problems this life is, and has always been, just not wanting to be here, so I think I look forward to leaving a bit too much and it is easy to grab hold of this 2012 idea and get all excited like with the 1998 deluge prophecies from Cayce and then when nothing happens (whether it be nothing happening or only seemingly nothing happening), get all disappointed and have to scramble to figure out what to do with all this time I have left that I don't want and am unprepared for.

To tell the truth, as long as I get a chance to relax (just being here taxes the life right out of you) and exist somewhere that is not as corrupt as here (I am beginning to believe that the whole "economy" we have is nothing more than a series of elaborate scams designed to concentrate anything of use or value into the fewest possible hands in the shortest possible time) where I can spend the majority of my time interacting honestly with others, instead of existing in a culture where one must endure long hours away from others and develop dishonesty as a skill in order to maintain employment and social viability (service with a smile, until their backs are turned, anyway...), I will be supremely happy.

twva

03-25-2008, 09:11 AM

AmelieJolie

03-25-2008, 04:56 PM

I haven't read the posts here, but I think if ascension takes place, we will leave our lower vibrational bodies and take on new, higher vibrational ones. This might happen instantly. But who knows?

One thing I do know is I don't feel scared.

I feel I have learned enough to know we must all be here for a reason. Life, in some ways is like a dream, and we are the dream-makers.

The soul cannot die.

soup

03-30-2008, 04:16 PM

Apparently from an astrological perspective, Pluto in 8th House or Scorpio, can have a sort of fascination with the concept of death. I think if you peel the onion skin layer off that then the deeper fascination is with regeneration. Here I feel as if a study of past life experience may be interesting. I also find the idea that the body is constantly regenerating interesting in this regard (renewed every 7 years?)

soup

Billuminous

03-31-2008, 06:02 AM

On a time/space level we may have already ascended, but all of us will still have to experience a physical death to get to 4D or wherever else we may be going.

It seems like hubris to think that any of us will actually be immune from the laws of the 3D physical universe.

We will each have to die from something. Given the accelerating rate of anthropogenic global warming, is it not possible that a series of cataclysmic events could cause a mass human extinction?

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Don't believe the hype from David Wilcock that humans are not responsible for causing global warming. It's a very convenient belief for somebody who may not want to be concerned about their high-carbon footprint.

Billuminous

04-03-2008, 06:48 AM

When I first read the Ra material regarding the 100-700 year transition, my interpretation of this is that it would take 100-700 years for all 4D STO entities to reincarnate back into the earth system from other planetary systems or after experiencing a physical death on 3D earth.

With many animals, a mass extinction has already begun on 3D earth, but so far the human population has managed to keep growing at about a rate of 210,000 per day. The growth rate cannot continue very much longer, especially with food prices starting to soar due to resource depletion and climate unpredictability. When the Arctic ice cap melts, runaway climate change will be triggered as gigatons of methane locked up in the permafrost and clathrates are released. It's equivalent to flipping a switch on the climate.

We are in code red emergency right now but very few people will acknowledge this. The Arctic ice cap lost over 50% of its perennial ice between Feb 07 and Feb 08 and much of this loss occurred doing the winter when ice usually rebuilds. Most of the ice there now is extremely thin and could easily melt off this summer. Many factors are accelerating the melt like lower salinity levels, an alteration of ocean currents sending the warm Gulf Stream farther north, and a major loss of albedo.

It's stunning to me that this is all happening in lockstep with Ra's statement that there will be a major harvest of souls within the next 4 years, and physical death will be a part of the process.

soup

04-06-2008, 03:16 PM

SuperManny

04-07-2008, 09:34 AM

Mark S

04-07-2008, 11:03 AM

Hello All, I'm new, so I'll be quick. Having watched and listened to Davids' observations from all incarnations, I have found that, for me, the understanding will come, when the entity is ready. To try to intellectually reason the whys, wherefores and timelines of a timeless transition is somewhat distracting. The transition will occur, individually, when the entity is ready, in ALL of its Being.
Love and Acceptance and Forgiveness, "Being" in the Now of Experience, releasing the Illusion of the Material, are all pre-requisites, but not ALL of the pre-requisites. These are determined by the entities incarnated experiences and lessons.

Billuminous

04-11-2008, 08:39 AM

I have been having some trouble with the predestiny aspect of the Ra material. There is a part of me that is looking forward to the earth changes and the 4D shift, but then it is quite difficult to go about one's day to day business knowing all present projects could be cancelled in the near future.

Over the last few years, I've been very involved with permaculture, organic farming and the intentional communities movement.

When considering possible dramatic earth changes and human dieoff, it's just hard to know whether or not it makes sense to go forward with long-term projects like planting an orchard or constructing a new building.

Sometimes I wish I had never come across the Ra material, but then again I find it quite illuminating.

Silvanus Sanctus Germanus

04-11-2008, 11:11 AM

When considering possible dramatic earth changes and human dieoff, it's just hard to know whether or not it makes sense to go forward with long-term projects like planting an orchard or constructing a new building.

Sometimes I wish I had never come across the Ra material, but then again I find it quite illuminating.

If I may comment, the shif is happening as we speek and we are all part of it, contributing in our own way, some on the etheric level, some on other levels. I believe that our state of mind/body/spirit is much more important than any material involvement. Our state of mind/body/spirit while continuing with everyday life is what is being recorded and not so much what we are doing, no matter what we do. I trust that my higher-self is growing from what ever experience subjected to. I raise to the occasion of participating in projects even if they are scheduled for cancelation or even destruction. The knowlege and wisdom gained could always be built upon in a future project, perhaps in 4D:D .....Sylvain.....

transiten

04-11-2008, 11:28 AM

Silvanus Sanctus Germanus

04-11-2008, 12:40 PM

Hi all you weirdos!

Today I can easily identify with my mocking, denying, debunking friends and relatives, especially when reading this thread. A shrink would say only emotionally disturbed and starving pple would have a longing to"die" from their body and being "raptured" into invisibility..."Sectwarning", and all the same I have masses of proffs that life has much more to it than we can touch and seee. I've been to mediums, I do astrology, I experience synchronicity every single day...but this I have a hard time "digesting" <smile> Liliane

I think the EGO has a hard time "digesting" it's inevitable "death".:( And I think the Spirit longs for expression through an eventual new birth in 4D.:) It does'nt mean that our conscious being wants to die tomorrow, "au contraire" my lady. Maybe these people around you are subconsciously serrendering their Ego, making room for Higher Power, Divine Abilities and opening their genetic makup to a quantum leap in evolution. Weird enough for you?:D The "death" is symbolic, not literal, but the Ego turns It into a catastrophy. Turns out, there may be life after the "Death" of the Ego.:eek: .....Sylvain......

transiten

04-11-2008, 02:05 PM

Hi Sylvain!

Sure! i have no doubts about the souls survival of the physical bodys death. What I find hard to "digest" is that we suddenly, in the flower of our lives, should "die" from our physical bodies and instantly "disappear" into 4D.

My referring to mocking friends was also to show that it can be healthy to understand their feelings and fears. I don't know the answer to this so I just express my scepticism which doesn't mean I say it's all rubbish. it's actually impossible to prove anything to anyone when it comes to these things. The only option is to be open and hope for first hand experience eventually.

Liliane

Silvanus Sanctus Germanus

04-11-2008, 03:17 PM

Hi Sylvain!

Sure! i have no doubts about the souls survival of the physical body's death. What I find hard to "digest" is that we suddenly, in the flower of our lives, should "die" from our physical bodies and instantly "disappear" into 4D.
Liliane

Hi Liliane,

Yes, I see your point now.:) Well maybe we do both, the progression of accumulated experiences eventualy build up to a critical point and then yes, everything points to a sudden Quantum Leap. I know I is very, very hard to wrap our heads around but maybe it is because we are so used to the progression that we totaly ignore the Moments of Creation which are born out of "Death" or "Ends". The gradual progression gives us a chance to say farewell to our ego in a respectfull manner, honoring it's duty well served and preparing our soul for intergration in 4D all the while anticipating the birth of a New Spirit (Higher-Self) which I suspect nudges the Ego along It's eventual demise. You see I think It might be all connected, out with the old - in with the new. Meaning our Self in 3D might have been our spirit in 2D, our self in 4D might be our spirit that we have right now and the self in 5d will ultimatly be :D born:D as a spirit when we Leap to 4D. Hope I'm not too confusing:confused: , this is just the way I see it at this time......Sylvain.......

Debbie

04-11-2008, 04:38 PM

That makes sense, Sylvain. I am another one of those people that is looking forward so much to being in the 4th dimension that I am more than willing to leave the 3rd, no matter what it takes. I am just so tired of the selfishness that I see go on around me all of the time, and the manipulation of other people too. I won't be sorry to see either two of these things fade away.

Billuminous

04-11-2008, 05:30 PM

Hi Sylvain!

Sure! i have no doubts about the souls survival of the physical bodys death. What I find hard to "digest" is that we suddenly, in the flower of our lives, should "die" from our physical bodies and instantly "disappear" into 4D.
Liliane

I also tend to think that is wishful thinking. A lot of us are already starting to feel the pain of higher food prices, higher gas prices, and all the other problems associated with climate change and resource depletion... so if we are not immune to the pain of earth changes now, it seems to me that we won't be immune until the day we die a physical death.

Billuminous

04-11-2008, 05:47 PM

I raise to the occasion of participating in projects even if they are scheduled for cancelation or even destruction. The knowlege and wisdom gained could always be built upon in a future project, perhaps in 4D:D .....Sylvain.....

Well,according to Ra, if you are a wanderer, you won't be reincarnating again in the earth system so the knowledge may not carry forward.

I must say I'm impressed with your ethic...as for myself, I'm still quite willing to help people with their projects, but I tend to be very hesitant about starting my own projects now.

Billuminous

04-11-2008, 06:13 PM

I think part of the global change is related to the accelerated growth of technology - that on one hand we've created more polution and on the other we've created better septic and health systems. As the population grows, it seems as if the density of people on the surface grows, i.e. there's more people per unit surface area. As this density grows, i wonder if there's a greater chance of the collective "consciousness density" to likewise grow.
soup

I disagree with you about the better septic systems. The most environmental way of dealing with human waste is to use composting toilets, not flushing it down a pipe with our drinking water and then using huge amounts of energy and chemicals to process it. I have experience both working in a sewage treatment plant and managing composting toilets.

[These last posts here may be moved, having veered from the LoO thread theme-FYI from moderator]
The flush toilet is a product of man's total disconnection from the natural environment whereas composting toilets mimic the processes of nature.

Also, it seems very unlikely to me that the collective "consciousness density" will grow with population growth. More and more people will put more and more pressure on finite natural resources, and the end result of this could only be more and more violence.

Humans need to make less room for themselves and more room for 1D and 2D consciousnesses which help to sustain them. The environmental crisis we face is due to a collective lack of recognition of the full spectrum of consciousness both below 3D and above 3D.

Silvanus Sanctus Germanus

04-11-2008, 07:40 PM

Well,according to Ra, if you are a wanderer, you won't be reincarnating again in the earth system so the knowledge may not carry forward.

You are right, our current form and It's limited knowledge might very well be overshadowed by the wisdom and also when we regain the memories and experiences of all our incarnations. I guess it might be wishfull thinking on my part but I still hang on to the hope that I'm somehow keeping a secret diary on the Etheral Plane, If so then All projects are beneficial.;) ....Sylvain.....

Billuminous

04-13-2008, 08:09 AM

Silvanus Sanctus Germanus

04-13-2008, 11:52 AM

So what will the earth look like to an STO who has shifted from 3D space/time to 4D space/time? How will incarnated 4D beings relate to 2D and 1D? Will they need to depend on 1D and 2D for housing, transportation, clothing, food etc...if so, will they rely at all on the remnants of 3D human civilization such as abandoned buildings and roads. Will 4D beings need to dedicate themselves to repairing the biosphere destroyed by 3D beings?

In my opinion, pretty much all of the above. This is where service to others really comes in. Wanderers unite, share, and honor each other's diverse talents returning prosperity to Spiritual regions. Construction projects of all kinds including recycling and reguvenation will attract those who's vibrations are in line with the tasks. Once our primary tasks are aligned we will begin to explore our new found connection with the etheral plane, communication with our own counterparts on different levels will ultimately open our consciousness to a freedom of unimaginable proportions. A Spiritual Hierarchy (those of RA perhaps) will be there to help if requested. Once we embrace Oneness we will soon learn how to nurture Consciousness. The energy of the whole will be available to individuals exploring divine faculties. Not only will we feel what others feel, see what others see, know what others know or love as others love but we will also learn to think what others think. This is when we start sending each other thoughts, pretty soon we start sending each other thought forms, and eventualy we will be able to turn our own body/mind/form into a thought and project it anywhere we want. This is when some of the old 3D structures like, big Cities, roads, cars, planes, become uterly useless. Evolution will seem to speed up, it will pick us off our feet and carry us into the Golden Age:D . Along the way we will learn to feed on energy and do away with most foodstuff. Precipitation (materialising forms out of thoughts) will be Mastered and ease the pressure on Mother Earth(1D/2D/3D). She will finally be free to consciously transform into her Divine 4D Destiny.:D

OR, you can ignore this Nutty New Age concept and simply dream one up yourself because everything points to a LEAP of some kind. Maybe an expansion in Consciousness will ease the transition:) ..........Sylvain...........

Billuminous

04-13-2008, 04:35 PM

What kind of soul-carrying vehicle will STO entities assume upon reincarnation or shedding of the 3D aspect of their dual body? Is the hybrid breeding program described by authors like David Jacobs somehow related to the New Age on Earth? Or is this a program being conducted by the Orion STS so as to create a physical body fit for transplanting to the Orion space/time system. I know a lot of Jacobs material is fear-based, but how much of that fear comes from Jacobs own slant on the subject. From what I understand, a lot of abductees feel strongly bonded with the hybrid babies and children they have helped give life to and have come to terms with their abductees as far as consenting to their participation in the program.

Here is an interesting article on the subject: Humanity, Extraterrestrials and the Mayan Calendar (http://www.treurniet.ca/MayanCal/ETMC.htm)

I tend to be greatly interested in the actual mechanics/logistics of the shift to the 4D earth system... possibly because I've been intimately involved with the ecovillage movement over the last several years. I see the present-day ecovillages as the spawn material for a new fully STO society on earth. It's just hard to see how we go from A to B at this point.

Maybe, I just need to let live and allow the universal consciousness to act through its own intelligence. It's no fun to watch a movie if you already know how it consummates.

Billuminous

04-13-2008, 05:03 PM

A Spiritual Hierarchy (those of RA perhaps) will be there to help if requested.

If wanderers have no role in 4D STO society, it is not clear to me in what form this spiritual heirarchy will be accessed...maybe through dream and channeling. It makes you wonder about the sleep cycles and dreaming capacity of the new 4D vehicle.

This is unrelated to the above comment, but I also wonder what the main forms of catalyst are in a 4D STO society. Without the physical and social demands of sustaining one's 3D existance through cooperation AND the nuisance of STS behavior, it seems to me that there won't be much in the way of catalyst.

Silvanus Sanctus Germanus

04-13-2008, 06:34 PM

If wanderers have no role in 4D STO society, it is not clear to me in what form this spiritual heirarchy will be accessed...maybe through dream and channeling. It makes you wonder about the sleep cycles and dreaming capacity of the new 4D vehicle.

This is unrelated to the above comment, but I also wonder what the main forms of catalyst are in a 4D STO society. Without the physical and social demands of sustaining one's 3D existance through cooperation AND the nuisance of STS behavior, it seems to me that there won't be much in the way of catalyst.

The catalyst will be One which can be categorised up there among one of the Greats, we can feel this catalyst down in the very core of our being, we call it Freedom. Once the fog subsides, Freedom will bring catalysts of all forms. But the greatest one of all will the transition from 3D to 4D. Remember, we will carry remenance of 3D for generations, it's is a transition that will ultimately be eased into by the radiation of consciousness emminating from Lightbearing Wanderers all over the world. There have been lightbearers incarnating in all forms all over the planet, these will Naturaly connect with their etheral counterparts and serve as conduits for honest communication between groups and also to Higher Enteties if needed. These will also serve as examples allowing growth for all. We will all eventually adopt this mode of communication bringing us closer to Oneness.

Without the physical and social demands of sustaining one's 3D existance through cooperation

Well maybe not so much physical, but definitely social. Social cooperation IS ,in my mind, our only salvation, Now and for a great part our Journey. Those of RA are a good example of such cooperation, they are the equivalent of a whole planet's worth of enteties fused into One Social Memory Complex......Sylvain......

Silvanus Sanctus Germanus

04-13-2008, 07:33 PM

What kind of soul-carrying vehicle will STO entities assume upon reincarnation or shedding of the 3D aspect of their dual body? QUOTE]

The vehicle is always a mental projection through a density. Think of it as your blueprint carried over through the octave resonating to a certain frequency as we pause in existance(cardinal points or quantum leaps). This resonance is unique in each density therefore projecting a coresponding vehicle. LoO describes our vehicle as having resembling features, lighter, and a bit fuzzy.

[QUOTE]Maybe, I just need to let live and allow the universal consciousness to act through its own intelligence. It's no fun to watch a movie if you already know how it consummates.

What if we could make the movie adapt to our thoughts as it is playing. That is what conscious awareness is capable of, that is the responsibility placed on every entety on this planet when the shift unfolds. 3D to 4D is no picnique but that is the whole purpose of Spiritual Awakening, to awaken the "Wanderer" in each and every one of us and embrace Infinite Creation.....Sylvain......

Billuminous

04-13-2008, 08:20 PM

There have been lightbearers incarnating in all forms all over the planet, these will Naturaly connect with their etheral counterparts and serve as conduits for honest communication between groups and also to Higher Enteties if needed. These will also serve as examples allowing growth for all. We will all eventually adopt this mode of communication bringing us closer to Oneness.

I tend to think the veil will remain stronger than what you envision. The wanderers will be departing. Then again, Ra says that the veil will be dropped...but I'm not exactly sure what this means other than having full view of each other's reincarnational history and a full color picture of each other's aura.

Well maybe not so much physical, but definitely social. Social cooperation IS ,in my mind, our only salvation, Now and for a great part our Journey. Those of RA are a good example of such cooperation, they are the equivalent of a whole planet's worth of enteties fused into One Social Memory Complex......Sylvain......

As long as 4D STO incarnated beings retain an ego/separate self there will be the potential for conflict and the need for conflict resolution. Just like 3D earth, I imagine there will be constraints placed upon everybody's freedom and these constraints will be catalytic. Not everyone will be able to design their own spaceship...in other words individuals will need to sacrifice a certain degree of their freedom of self-expression in order to contribute to the greater whole.

Silvanus Sanctus Germanus

04-14-2008, 09:37 AM

As long as 4D STO incarnated beings retain an ego/separate self there will be the potential for conflict and the need for conflict resolution. Just like 3D earth, I imagine there will be constraints placed upon everybody's freedom and these constraints will be catalytic.Not everyone will be able to design their own spaceship...in other words individuals will need to sacrifice a certain degree of their freedom of self-expression in order to contribute to the greater whole.

Yes precicely, if I may build on that. The self longs to express it-self without the ego, this is Soul Liberation ( The Great Work ). The sacrafice IS diluting the ego. And yes this will be the catalyst most shared, worked on, and appreciated by ALL. The seperate/self only becomes ego when it is not resonating with the Spirit. Ego is a name we give to the complete Identification with the self. When the self shares the present moment (conscious Awareness) with the Spirit then "ego" returns to non-existance.

in other words individuals will need to sacrifice a certain degree of their freedom of self-expression in order to contribute to the greater whole

Au contraire, the overwhelming urge to contribute will soon help you realise that true self-expression is embrassing Freedom. Freedom from the grips of the Ego. Releasing ego, expresses Freedom. So everyone will benefit from the turmoils brought about when letting go of the ego, every bit we let go will nurture consciousness in individuals and as a whole. This nurturing of consciousness is what compelled Wanderers to pause their own Spiritual Journey and sacrafice so much in the hope that consciousness will finally emerge as the Great Divine Entety she so despretely longs for. It's been a long, long Journey, so much work invested for literally thousands of years, the time is near, Ra and the Confederation will finally see us coming over the Hills, we will all join hands and gracefully glide down into a new world, new challenge, new sea of catalyst, anticipating the new potentials for Growth and Unity......Sylvain.........

moomoo

04-15-2008, 07:43 AM

Do you think we will come back looking physically the same or completly different?

Silvanus Sanctus Germanus

04-15-2008, 09:56 AM

Do you think we will come back physically looking the same(as in humans) or will we look completly different?

You can compare it to the look you have now as just a passing phase and you will simply move on the the next phase. Similar in some ways and very different in others. Ra says we retain our general features but the matter composing our phisical vehicle will resonate to a higher frequency, thus looking different. Our appearence other than physical will also change, mental, astral, etheral, and conscious awareness itself will evolve and mature lifting the veil..........Sylvain...........

Liam

04-16-2008, 01:05 PM

You can compare it to the look you have now as just a passing phase and you will simply move on the the next phase. Similar in some ways and very different in others. Ra says we retain our general features but the matter composing our phisical vehicle will resonate to a higher frequency, thus looking different. Our appearence other than physical will also change, mental, astral, etheral, and conscious awareness itself will evolve and mature lifting the veil..........Sylvain...........

Absolutely, and from what I can gather we will be able to change our physical appearance to suit our own preferences. I have heard that this is done as an expression of creativity in 4d, I think I am right in saying that our appearance will reflect our true selves far more closely in 4d than it does now.

Billuminous

04-16-2008, 04:14 PM

I'm curious... how would Ra actually know that all humans are going to vacate their 3D physical bodies during the next few years? They have stated in various ways that they can't see into the future, but in this instance they seem to know 30 years in advance that 3D humans can't survive past 2012. Right now, the earth is inhabited by approximately 6.65 billion humans.

Are they basing their statements on an understanding that 3D humans will not be able to survive because the insteaming energy from the center of the galaxy will be too great to withstand? Why can't the 3D human body inhabited by an 4D STO entity survive along with the 4D body inhabited by another 4D STO entity in 4D space-time?

mellisamouse

04-16-2008, 08:51 PM

Who's to say we can't just "walk out" of our bodies, the same way we do in astral travel, and then "walk right into" the new one? just like passing through a hallway, turn the light off in the room you are leaving, pass through the hallway and turn the light on in the next room. REALLY not a big deal....

Plus, the new body will be all nice and fresh and clean and free from pollution etc......nice exteme makeover for free if you ask me! I am pretty sure we designed the blueprint for the bodies we're in now, so we can use our own blueprint/design again probly.;)

Why worry about something everyone "feels/senses" is going to be a step forward into beauty, wonder and awe?

again I say..."don't worry, be happy" ;)

SuperManny

04-16-2008, 09:37 PM

I'm curious... how would Ra actually know that all humans are going to vacate their 3D physical bodies during the next few years? They have stated in various ways that they can't see into the future...
They based these statements on their knowledge of the grand cycles of evolution. When the time comes 3D earth will be transmuted into 4D, and Gaia will no longer host 3D life as we know it. ... in this instance they seem to know 30 years in advance that 3D humans can't survive past 2012. Well, of course 3D humans will survive past 2012, we'll just shift our frequency into a slightly higher one.

mellisamouse

04-17-2008, 12:06 PM

They based these statements on their knowledge of the grand cycles of evolution. When the time comes 3D earth will be transmuted into 4D, and Gaia will no longer host 3D life as we know it. Well, of course 3D humans will survive past 2012, we'll just shift our frequency into a slightly higher one.

Yes, that is great way of looking at it too. :) Either way, however it ends up happening, it will be a freedom and a good thing, so again, nothing to fear or worry about. :)

We might not even notice anything different when we wake up that morning, we may just notice that things are more peceful and less of a struggle etc.....can't wait to see. :)

Billuminous

04-17-2008, 07:13 PM

Lance_Lawlor

04-20-2008, 01:09 AM

there is nothing to fear, given the choice of continuing in this way, or desolving into the ether to another world, theres no real competition.
i do have alot to leave behind (2 children and a Mrs) but, at the same time i know that we will always be safe, how can we not be if everything stems from oneness?
thanks for being you
peace, love and harmony :cool: :D :confused:

transiten

04-20-2008, 03:34 AM

transiten

04-20-2008, 04:09 AM

Hi Lance

How do you know you're going to leave your children and wife behind??? They might be ripe for harvest too, right? or what do you mean??

Trying to lift my post from the "complaining "Marilyn Monroe/Elivs Presely-complex" (in my case it's more Joni Mitchell/Bob Dylan-complex):

How do I know that what I'm now experiencing: Being alone, most of my friends and family debunking or not being interested in my spiritual seeking/astrology etc, having lost my caréer, fearing I will never manage to earn my living from that again, not being able to use my full potential is not just what many pple experience in their lives?

Isn't it easy to think that as a spiritual seeker, it's jsut longing for "Pie in the sky when you die" just because you can't manifest your dreams and potential here in
3D? By the way "Joe Hill" was a swede who started the tradeunions in the US, and he used singing to unite the workers.

Beware of sectlike behaviours like not caring about your life here and now beacause it will be so much better in 4D. Thinking of the Jonestowndisaster, pple living in isolation fromn the rest of society, believing a spaceship would come and gather them, or the recent russian sect coming out of a cave, hoping for the same thing. I can totally identify with starving, unhappy or mentally disabled pple though who just want to leave a hellish life. We must beware of spiritual hubris here; not isolating ourselves in mental caves or forums on the internet. I'm the first to know this, because I've broken out of similar experiences and have a hubris/selfdenialcomplex I'm still working on.

Is this the hardships all seekers on this forum will meet, just because of the occurring change? How can you tell the difference? Perhaps it doesn't matter. You've got to deal with it anyway in the most loving and wise way you can, and not be angry with those who can't, to avoid falling into the Edgar Cacey-trap.

Liliane

Billuminous

04-20-2008, 10:28 AM

Well Billuminous, I resonate very much with your Krishnamurti-inspirated inquisitive mind, also involved in the eco/peace/spiritual-movement since early 80:ies.

Just a mind-play...¨How would you all think, react and do if this haevest didn't happen in the way you believe? Beacause it IS a belief, right? Does anyone here have a PROOF of what is channeled through Ra?

Anyway, the path is the goal, and the ethics, the love and the wisdom is all I can hope for...but it will be interrupted by doubts..and Ra actually tell us not to believe anything we cannot resonate with....

Liliane

:cool: Yes, perhaps it does seem a little incongruous for a K reader to be dabbling in the channeled works of an entity which claims the high pedestal of a 6th dimensional existance. K was definitely not into the whole spiritual hierarchy thing. K was very careful not to provide any kind of sustenance for the ego and went as far as admonishing people who followed him around a lot.

However, I'm comfortable with the Law of One material as esoteric (yet universal) information designed for a niche population. Ra's "death clause" provided some insurance against those who would use it for sinister purposes. Yes, there have been and will continue to be suicide cults, but they simply are not very popular since they border on advocating death of the ego. Also, the part in the Ra Material about how STS tend towards wealth, ease of living and a focus on personal health, is a warning to those who may want to misuse or be misused by the material.

I am interested in the Ra Material more from a scientific perspective, understanding principles of universal evolution. I really could care less what Ra says about what it means to be STS vs. STO, as the word and the understanding/practice have very little in common.

As somebody who is quite tuned in to how mankind is precipitating an ecological apocalypse, I am curious about what is next. I maintain a very skeptical attitude towards Ra and I really don't have any beliefs about how the future will unfold, although I have some deep hunches rooted in spirit.

Billuminous

04-20-2008, 11:23 AM

There are zillions of small loosely-networked intentional communities (http://www.ic.org)/ecovillages (http://ena.ecovillage.org/English/index.html) throughout the world...three of the larger communities that come to mind as far as providing examples of 4D STO societies that are working towards full integration spiritually and ecologically are Findhorn Community (http://www.findhorn.org/whatwedo/vision/vision.php) in Scotland, The Federation of Damanhur (http://www.damanhur.org/) in Italy, and Auroville (http://www.auroville.org/) in Southern India.

Perhaps, social networks like these will reorganize quite quickly after a 3D physical world apocalypse since they are already so rooted in 4D STO space/time. The organizational blueprint is what matters most. As with a starfish that has just lost all its limbs, humanity will regenerate its limbs according to an existing blueprint.

soup

04-20-2008, 02:42 PM

...to be dabbling in the channeled works of an entity which claims the high pedestal of a 6th dimensional existance....

I don't think Ra claims such a high pedastal - Ra seems to strive toward humility - seems to reflect a sort of disdain or remorse towrard hierarchal ellites related to something that happened in the past.

soup

Silvanus Sanctus Germanus

04-20-2008, 02:54 PM

..and Ra actually tell us not to believe anything we cannot resonate with....Liliane

Hi Lilian,

Nobody is asking anyone to believe in anything, RA actualy says to cast the information aside, having no relevance on your path at this time.
Please give RA a little more credit guys/girls, come on, what would you be doing here on this forum if you did not know that proof is in your gut, Not from someone else's word. If you do not resonate one bit with RA then why would you bother. Sorry but I don't buy that. Yes we all have beliefs, dreams, ambitions but none of that compares with Truth, Justice and Righteousness. What we find that truely resonates with us is Intuition and, to me, it is a mistake to identify this resonance as a belief, think about it.

Let's wake up! Iv'e come to understand that any belief is a trap because it does not truly resonate with our "Internal Spark of the Divine" only Intuition does. I find that it is imperative that we finally recognise this difference and it's implications, this is important, we have come to a point where we have a chance to take our thumbs out of our butts and actually get serious with our perspectives and peak out the veil. It is this constant bickering about "show me the proof" kind of stuff that totally loops the whole effort back on itself creating a never ending case of "will there ever be any hope?". Come on, I suggest we try to get a little more in touch with our Higher-Self and develop abilities to discern between beliefs and intuition. That is the whole reason I speak of the Ego, because it is the easiest way for me to discern a belief from Intuition. I know that I'm probably talking to the wall in most cases but for those of us who do find some "relevance on their path", I would suggest to trust our Intuition above all and treat beleifs as the ultimate Catalyst.;)............Sylvain...........

Billuminous

04-21-2008, 05:13 AM

Yesterday, I came across this transcript of a seminar in Louisville, KY in 2002 dealing with the Time of the Global Shift. Scott, Carla, and David all go into some detail describing their vision of how things will go down according to their interpretation of the Ra Material.

Scott's take on it stood out to me because I also see the discontinuous event scenario (excerpt provided below). After reading what Scott has to say, I'm still left trying to imagine what the earth will look like to a 4D STO after the shift occurs. I'm not quite sure why 3rd density artifacts would disappear. If 1st, 2nd, and 4th density are going to activated...why would 1st density (including human artifacts and rocks) simply disappear after the dimensional shift. Why does it matter that human artifacts and rocks lack seven bodies?

I know this is all intellectual masturbation at this point...but hey isn't this all one big love orgy??;)

Discussion of Global Shift 2012 with Scott Mandelker, Carla Ruekert and David Wilcock among others (http://www.scottmandelker.com/TGS/SemTrans/index.html)

Excerpt from Scott Mandelker's take on the global shift:
So let’s say the date indicates the initiation of a completed or relatively completed 4th density grid. In my read, they said that at that time there will be a 4th density civilization beginning, and when that happens, there won’t be any 3rd density civilization co-existing. They said that the planet would be activated 1st, 2nd, and 4th density, and that a 3rd density group would not be here – that there wouldn’t be a 3rd density group, nor would there be the artifacts of 3rd density civilization. To me, that points to a discontinuous shift, not a gradual movement into 4th density life.

All beings have seven bodies – animals and plants of course – but our 3rd density artifacts don’t have seven bodies, so in a 4th density field, they would be gone, they just wouldn’t be present. And Ra said that there will be a de-activation of the third density field, meaning that there will be no more 3D conscious souls living on Earth for a while. So personally I think that there will be something like a dissolving into white light, which is what may happen as THE discontinuous event within the period 2010-2013.

litllady

04-21-2008, 06:22 AM

"Please give RA a little more credit guys/girls, come on, what would you be doing here on this forum if you did not know that proof is in your gut, Not from someone else's word. If you do not resonate one bit with RA then why would you bother."

Im sorry, but I must speak up for those that are here due to the science of DW work. Some of us are not here because of the RA material.

I simply state this for I dont want the ones that are here for the same reasons as I am to leave the forum because RA doesnt sit right with them. Lets give everyone their space...there are some of us that are here only for DW great work of science and understanding.

Much love and best intentions....
Lynette

Silvanus Sanctus Germanus

04-21-2008, 01:28 PM

[QUOTE=litllady;31703
Im sorry, but I must speak up for those that are here due to the science of DW work. Some of us are not here because of the RA material.

I simply state this for I dont want the ones that are here for the same reasons as I am to leave the forum because RA doesnt sit right with them. Lets give everyone their space...there are some of us that are here only for DW great work of science and understanding.

Much love and best intentions....
Lynette[/QUOTE]

Hi Lynette, point well taken, thanks. Also, there are many different discussions and forums on this site, I was refering to this forum that we are on, the LoO forum, but you are right, regardless.
I get a little edgy when I see too much of "show me the proof" isn't that how RA got in trouble in the first place? I find that soooo much understanding goes to the waste side because of this.
B.T.W. I resonate with everything DW stands for, all the way............Sylvain.....................

soup

04-21-2008, 09:04 PM

There's an old saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." I think that giving distance to something that doesn't resonate well can be a good practice for sustaining balance. There can be a "separative" component there, that may be on some level - an illusion, hence some Devil component. In the practice of wholeness there seems the management of trade-offs and the resolution of dualities. There can be the paradox of the jagged pill - that some dissonance can allow contrast for other ways of being. So I'll offer that "the road to heaven may likewise be paved with less than good intentions..."

soup

SEGURELHA

05-03-2008, 10:40 AM

Hello everyone,

I am new at this discussion forum
I've been into 2012 and Ra material from the past 7 years.

Actually I believe if we are truly connected, following our intuition, everything will go fine, just as we are supposed to do.

So, get involved with that permaculture project, that change of job, that group, if that is following your own intuition or your own heart.

There are others already there, so why not?
The key is to follow our present moment, our heart, and our intuition.

Finally, I believe that by 2012 major things may happen, maybe not a global extinction, but a sort of key events, key choices :eek: (as we are already seeing nowadaws; a spiritual awakening, a rising to service to others, the appearance of a community and ecological-oriented living)

From my dreams, I guess a lot of people will change drastically their lives around 2010 and 2012, key events will happen and maybe thats the 3way split. But nothing of that matters. It solely matters following our hearts, intuitons and grouping with others, if that is our purpose. :cool:

I also believe this is most of us, possibly our last 3D life. We are finishing th round, and by next century, or by 2700 at latest, we will be deeply in a 4D planet :o , learning the ways of heart, group living and spiritual union.

Best for everyone, ;)

There are zillions of small loosely-networked intentional communities (http://www.ic.org)/ecovillages (http://ena.ecovillage.org/English/index.html) throughout the world...three of the larger communities that come to mind as far as providing examples of 4D STO societies that are working towards full integration spiritually and ecologically are Findhorn Community (http://www.findhorn.org/whatwedo/vision/vision.php) in Scotland, The Federation of Damanhur (http://www.damanhur.org/) in Italy, and Auroville (http://www.auroville.org/) in Southern India.

Perhaps, social networks like these will reorganize quite quickly after a 3D physical world apocalypse since they are already so rooted in 4D STO space/time. The organizational blueprint is what matters most. As with a starfish that has just lost all its limbs, humanity will regenerate its limbs according to an existing blueprint.

SEGURELHA

05-04-2008, 10:59 AM

Quo has clearly stated (in LLresearch) that things would continue post 2012.

In a channeling in 7 May 2006, Quo has stated that there is indeed a "set cut and dried" shift point around 2012 winter solstice, where the planet makes a transit, posibly due to astronomical events (they state of a brown companion star, a comet cluster and a galactic energy influx).
Concerning the basic setup of the transition, there is a moment of transition in terms of the planet itself. That moment of transition is at some point near to the winter solstice of 2012. It is fairly set—cut and dried, as this instrument would say.

Then, they say "For the human tribe that inhabits the surface of Planet Earth, things are not so cut and dried. (...) This is something that you may choose and you may do completely and well in the next few years. For most of you, indeed, as we said, the choice has been made. (...)"

Quo states we may live in years following after 2012:
"After these years of choice have been lived through, you may well live for quite some time thereafter. You will not notice changes in your own ability to breath and eat and do the natural functions of a human being. You will be able to live out your life."

Then: "Once third density winds down on planet Earth, it shall be inactive for a time."

1. So I assume a transition period that started in 1936, gained momentum by early seventies and eighties again, and
2. will peak in a clearly defined moment shift in 2012, the Earth becomes 4D. A pole shift and energetic leap occurs.
3. Humans may find that still eat and breath the same way afterwards, in years following (say 2014, 2020 or 2030), in a 100-700 transitional period, during which "3D winds down" as the say.
We have a complicated situation where Earth is already 4D and humans still 3D even with the shift (this is my assumption, not Ra or Quo statements). Maybe we would be easily manifesting our thoughts and gathering in communities but already shifting into 4D (this I cant really grasp). :confused: However all these stages are exactly what I am receiving in my dreams.
4. But eventually, the Earth would have to become inhabitable afterwards since no 3D and 4D can co-exist. Our next incarnation is probably STO 4D or further 3D new cycle.

This still seems with lots of paradoxs. But my patience and heart tells me it is still a good time to start good new things and projects. Why not?

It is the same as if you are 60 years old and you know you are getting old and death is unavoidable and the time of it is uncertain (it could be at 60 years old or 60 years later, at 120 years old!)

soup

05-04-2008, 04:24 PM

...But eventually, the Earth would have to become inhabitable afterwards since no 3D and 4D can co-exist....

That seems an odd use of words for some reason or another. I'll offer that possibly there's some situation where 3D and 4D seem incompatible and possibly other situations where space seems shared in a sustainable way.

My impression is that some element of an unsustainable nature may be due to a consequence of lower consciousness choice, not otherwise.

soup

PriestOfLight

05-05-2008, 08:24 PM

In this instance of ascension, how ever long it takes, is there any references to the possibility of receiving coding through the perrenial gland (our third eye) to change our DNA over a period of time till we evolve fully? And maybe we evolve through this coding at an equal rate till we change all at the same time?

After reading most of Edger Cayce book, some of more recent RA material infers David should be able to prove all this scientifically. And though it is far beyond us to believe that so many can be changed so precisely, my imagination tells me it can as everything that is happening is perfect in it's own right.

I admit I have no references for this and it is mostly a theory based on wandering thoughts, day dreams and an accumlation of information.

In the love and light of the One Creator!

loveisthekey

05-10-2008, 11:24 PM

Or it could just be a shifting of resonance, like tuning a radio, and we'll all think that life just goes on. Remember those Star Trek episode where there were multiple timelines all out of phase with one another? Like that, sort of.

solarwindspirit

05-20-2008, 11:18 PM

Well I'm probably a born agnostic and maybe will be a heretic here and banned but I don't think any one source ever has the whole truth, there will always be biases and "distortions". Maybe that's why I always cross-reference some teaching. Alice Bailey and Rudolf Steiner both say Armageddon or the "war of all against all" will come in the age of Capricorn (2000 years from now). After that those with negative polarization won't incarnate on this planet anymore. Neither is orthodox Christian. Capricorn is astrologically the Reaper/Death/Choice/Judgement. For Ra 2000 years is probably the blink of an eye and they many times say they have difficulty with 3d dimension time and numbers. Also they say they are unwilling to be too involved with 3d density distortions, which I think would also make them less able to predict the choices that will be made.

Yah well, I use to be an agnostic, today I can say I have experienced some gnosis. I believe my path started out trying to help another raise his vibrations. But altogether I think it was with some success, and I raised mine too. I think it's an experience we all must go through to evolve. . .enmass, here on the earth plane. But I think the higher self is in essense, perfect, like infinity folding upon oneself once firing that divine spark within oneself and experiencing the one without end like the golden mean of life coming through the heart of one's own soul. It's like divine love with a love and life all it's own. Then it unfolds upon this earth plane. The earth is a priceless gift. That is why I'm making a comment here. We who desire the highest will be given that experience. The polarization that you see here on earth reflects a disharmony and equilbrium from the true source. The earth today isn't in perfect equilbrium and reflects well this. . .that which is farthest from the true self or spirit. I'm writing this because I have seen much unfold and you are all witnesses to it.

This young man too came to my mind during such a time. . . so I too am one with his message. He (David Wilcock) is using his highest self and will in stating that the message stays the same, there is only a message of healing. The message is that there will be no great cataclysims or breaking up of the earth's crust. I don't foresee a great cleansing or moving of the poles. I also knew of the poles becoming still. The wobble dissappearing which is only a gentle correction.

Science will tell you that a dramatic change in the wobble of the poles can cause mass extinction of animals. This chandler wobble was a correction and has proven to be a hinderance in all sorts of navigation. It was a mercy. It causes earthquakes, volcanism and adds to global warming. In the future all I see is a gentle flooding. When the earth re aligns herself with the milky way (in much the same way we re align ourselves with the truth of the spirit) There will be a great many numbers of people who will do exactly this. . .re align themselves to the truth of their spirit. I believe 'god' is more concerned with the mind... the mind of god. If I have the ability each and every soul has that ability. The earth will begin to reflect this truth. We have been given a most priceless possession. . .that of life. . .and this good earth. The vision was the earth being wrapped in pure clarity of that universal life force many times over. May grace unfold upon us as well. . .like seen in my prayer. The physical really does reflect the spiritual and so does man effect this plane of existence. It's about rebirth. . .enmass.

soup

06-08-2008, 04:19 PM

from law of One "BODIES ON EARTH THAT ARE STILL PHYSICAL MUST BE VACATED ("DIE”) BEFORE THOSE BEINGS CAN INHABIT THE 4TH DENSITY EARTH
QUESTION: As this transition continues into 4th density activation, in order to inhabit this 4th density earth it will be necessary for all 3rd density physical bodies to go through the process which we refer to as death. Is this correct? (B3, 92)
RA: This is correct."

Where does this fit in the scheme of Wilcock's 2012 enigma ?

I wonder about "near death" experiences and the definition of "death." Possibly, as one goes through some "near death" experience, they emerge with their heart still beating as alive - though they can no longer live life in the same way, as if a part of them has certainly died - the part that was interfering in some important way. In the context that many "near death" experiences act as spritual turningpoints, it seems reasonable to consider such events as examples of such transitions. I suggest this from the perspective that 4D experience may seem as more spiritually influenced relative to that of 3D experience.

soup

Deambor

06-13-2008, 09:54 AM

Hi, folks.
My own intuitive experience (coming from a series of reality-dreams) plus folowing David's RA readings of recent days and also reading other sources - all point at a "good case scenario" of the transition.
Note that the reading of May 27th states that there is something great is hapenning which had not not been excpected by Ra before (back in 1981-83).

To give you an intuitive example - in one of the dreams I "woke up" as ussual, and quickly realized that something was different, but couldn't first figure it out.
Without boring you with the dream details - the bottom line is this - I was alive and well, in fact feeling great, light and joyful, and able to manifest material things. And it was an unusally beuatiful winter outside = like beyond any description. Important thing also - our family got a visitor (out of thin air by our measurements) - he was explaing how things work now and that we don;t need to worry about anything. So he was like a guide assigned to those who woke up into this new reality - so that people don't freak out.
Winter with a lot of snow - possibly 12/2012
I didn't see my own or any dead 3D bodies - so it was literaly a waking up - into 4D. My interpration that I got a glimpse of 4D world somehow. If my assesement is correct - it's joy beyond our limited 3D imaginations, my friends.

Love to all

Deambor

soup

06-15-2008, 02:45 PM

...If my assesement is correct - it's joy beyond our limited 3D imaginations, my friends....

I wonder if some sort of noviolent rebellion could come in the form of mass name changing whereupon they simply deny any association to their past names. So a bill comes in with their old name on it and they simply don't recognize it as themselves anymore and so just throw it away. Say a few hundred million people simply change their names in the same year - wouldn't that be confusing or chaotic somehow?

soup

Deambor

06-20-2008, 06:49 AM

My limited insight is that there will be no monetary system, no bills to pay etc. Not sure the mechanics of dissimilating of current structures/institutions, but they are irrelevant for 4D. I also believe there is a lot of teaching/guiding that will be provided.
I have been having "strange ideas", like how the cars could run on love instead of gas, or a hybrid would be love/light mixture. It soounds like joke now but in 4D maybe it would not be such a joke, although I hope we don't need cars at all in fully manifested
4D world.

soup

06-22-2008, 03:30 PM

I think that there will be a new "death" industry, where people will go in and under very strict controls be rendered clinically "dead" to a point at which a "death certificate" can be drawn up. Immediately afterwards, the body is transferred to a resurrection team who thaws out and ressusitates the person who is subsequently reborn to a completely fresh identity, a new "birth certificate" is drawn up and new SS number is issued...free of any past transgressions from the perspective of the over restrictive social sytem in place at the moment...

soup

Olam

06-23-2008, 06:18 AM

I would just like to chip in a bit and explain a moment I experienced in 2006 on December 25 that might explain how we will go from 3D to 4D....the date is special too, I like to think that it would of not happened on another day.
Whenever I go back to my hometown about once a year around Christmas to see my family, I usually end up paying a visit to my favorite "Power spot". Its a natural spring that comes out of the land, was discovered 300 years ago by a Native and was used for a number of years as the city's water supply. I used to go there maybe 3-4 times a week in my junior years and simply sit there. It was very peaceful and relaxing, also very soothing to calm my anxieties that I then had.
Now when I go there, I sit and meditate, listening to the flow of water coming out of the ground. I usually spend anywhere from 1 to 3 hours sitting there.
This particular time on Dec 25 2006 was very special and feel that nature/universe gave me a little gift/glimpse of what was in store for me in the futur!
I layed down in the snow right next to the spring, meditated for maybe a half hour...when I do that, I like to sheild my eyes from the light as to help in "seeing" with my third eye. I am not very skilled for that and don't really come up with images but more like synapses of light morphing in and out...reminds me of some nebula in the heavens.
Anyway, here is where it got real freaky, I sat up, took my hat off of my eyes and opened my eyes.....I could not see furthur than maybe 3-4 inches in focus.....
I have 21/20 vision, never needed any glasses and still don't......I was a bit freaked out and was wondering what was happening. It felt a bit like if you have spent alot of time in darkness and some light comes on, its hard to adjust instantly and takes maybe a minute to adjust.
Only now, I was near sighted for maybe 20-30 minutes!...its hard to evaluate as it took a while to try and relax as I was panicking a bit wondering what was happening.
Now the details of this are interesting, eventhough I was nearsighted, everything that was in focus was extremely sharp and "energized", I remember looking up close at the texture of a tree and seeing it like I never did before. The water had a magical quality to it, almost like flowing gold, or molten metal flowing, it seemed a bit thicker but still free flowing. I also seemed to hear alot better or more in stereo, its hard to explain. In general everything was more vibrant and sharp.
I was in for another surprise though, after maybe 25 minutes, my energy shifted and then it was the opposite, the shift took maybe 30 seconds, then after that, I could literally see for miles!
I remember looking and the small nodes on tree branches maybe 1000 feet away, seeing them up close as if they were right in front of me.....also very sharply detailed, all the colors were very bright and vibrant. I could not beleive what was happening, I had another moment of panic as I wondered if this was ever going to end and how would I end up. This phase lasted for about 10 minutes, after that, I gradually came back to normal.
I just sat there and was very messed up emotionally, I prayed and thanked the universe for having brought me back to normal.

The reason Im saying all this is that the first thing I did when i got back home was to contact my trusted 70 year old Native Shaman lady that I have been working with for 4 years......she bursted in all exitement and congradulated me for having experienced 4D!!!
She said that nature gave me partial acsess to 4D and that I had one foot in the 4D and one foot in 3D.....
She asked me if I noticed the multiple living entities that constitute matter.....she explained that they are wormlike, maybe a half inch long, I dont really remember the sizes she mentioned, they are vibrating and moving about in the matter, whatever it is. I don't recall seeing this....she explained that for example on trees, whenever a human passes by a tree, these living entities will move away on another part of the tree, as they are weary of man.....just because we tend to not respect nature......she said they are present everywhere and that you can see them when in 4D.
Considering that I had then not yet awakened to all of this, and not been reading everything here and everywhere...I did not grasp what she was saying. Now, it all makes sense. Especially the detail of everything being very sharp and colors vibrating at a different level. The notion of 4D having energy vibrate at a higher level makes sense to me now when I think about my experience.

Lastly, what I really wanted to say was that based on what I experienced, I think that our assention to 4D will be painless and quite fast and easy when we are ready. I don't think that you have to die in 3D to resurrect in 4D. It should be a shift in energy that could gradually happen in maybe minutes or a couple of hours....maybe instantly too, I don't know. Whatever it is, boy, it will be beutiful! I think all our senses will go in over sensitive mode!

Cheers

Bobbie

06-23-2008, 02:58 PM

One day several years ago I opened up the back door and walked out onto our back patio and as I looked around I was amazed at how sharp everything appeared - how clear everything appeared. It was like everything was in extreme focus. I soaked it all in as long as it lasted. It was one of those spring days when the temperature was just right. I'll never forget it.

Deambor

06-23-2008, 04:22 PM

HI, Olam. THat's a beautiful experience, it seems.
Now I think it may be a glimpse of 4D vision, but it's only one aspect of the novalty of 4D.
Regarding whether or not we have to die - it's different question. I mysef think we just wake up into it, but everyone speak from his/her experiense. As some gurus say, the purpose of life (3D life mind you) is to awaken, or the eqivalent of it - to die before you die. In other words, get through to 4D before it gets to you. Does it mean that when it gets to you, death is inevitable - I don't know. I don;t think anyone knows really. I'm reading and reading Q'uo, for example, and in some places it 's clearly that physical death is not avoidable, in other places they state nothing to worry about. Yet in a different place they say it's hard to say how it will be manifested in physical Earth.
I'm not surprised even they can't tell with 100% confidence. It's a complicated 3D situation here.
Important thing is that each and everyone of us is responsible through our thoughts and feeling for how it will be - I understand and know at least that much.

Love

Deambor

transiten

06-23-2008, 07:49 PM

Hello Deambor

Wonderful sharing! Sounds a lot like what is described in James Redfields books!

Liliane

transiten

06-24-2008, 03:27 AM

Hi Olam

Excuse me, I mixed you up with Deambor, nothing wrong with that post either though!

Liliane

Deambor

06-24-2008, 07:07 AM

Thanks, Liliane. I think your comment was directed more to Olam? is that right? It was his dream which was very much like Redfield's vision of nature.

Yes I did read Redfiled's "Celestine prophecy" I think it was called.
I'm more and more convinced we need to stop guessing at what will happen and how it will happen, and start focus on what we WANT to happen and how we WANT it to happen. And it will happen so if we are focused enough. I have read enough of different authors and prophecies, including channeled material (which I still consider the best), NDE material, but also a lot of things of Redfield's type, which is more of a fiction. But it's an intuitively inspired fiction, which is also in part channeled, I believe. And being familiar with poetry myself, and having read a lot of it, I conclude that all humans search the same "database" so to speak, the same field of consciousness. Therefore it's no wonder ther are alot of overlapping views. Filtered through the lense of individual perception, they differ in some details and aspects, but share the same basis - life is much grander than what we are able to see and sense here. Scince is slowly coming to discover that which poets and artists knew for ages and eons.
Unfortunately there are no words in human set of languages to adequately describe the wonder of that love which is the basis of everything, it can only be experienced, but can't be explained. But when we get to that experience, it's a joy beyond our imagination. From this point of view - believe me it's much "worth dying for".

Sending you love

Deambor

darth_rothscum

06-24-2008, 10:02 PM

Hi Art,

DMT is dimethytryptamine and it is a psychostimulant. It may be released from the pineal gland (it's mostly known to be derived from the ayahuasca plant). The pineal mainly releases melatonin when it gets dark and when there is light, your body releases cortisol from your adrenal glands sitting atop your kidneys (these two keep your circadian rhythms going).

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As for the death experience: I don't think Ra meant that we'll all just drop dead when it becomes midnight, December 21st, 2012 or anything. If you're 30 years old when it's 2012 and you live to be 80, you'll ascend into 4D when it's 2062. (I think).

darth_rothscum

06-25-2008, 12:42 AM

from law of One "BODIES ON EARTH THAT ARE STILL PHYSICAL MUST BE VACATED ("DIE”) BEFORE THOSE BEINGS CAN INHABIT THE 4TH DENSITY EARTH
QUESTION: As this transition continues into 4th density activation, in order to inhabit this 4th density earth it will be necessary for all 3rd density physical bodies to go through the process which we refer to as death. Is this correct? (B3, 92)
RA: This is correct."

Where does this fit in the scheme of Wilcock's 2012 enigma ?

Drat,

You know, I think I was wrong in my previous post (mods, feel free to simply delete it). Sometime in 2012 (almost 2013 I think), those who can ascend to 4D+ will, 3D folk, according to DW will "hang out in the astral planes for a while" and Ra has stated that they will end up going to a different planet which houses 3D life; and the 4D- folk will go to Orion I think (or another completely negative planet).

etereys

06-25-2008, 11:54 AM

Capricorn is astrologically the Reaper/Death/Choice/Judgement.

I'm glad to hear someone else with the same realization. ;) Capricorn is also the Goat, which brings me to some understanding concerning the implications of Crowley's Liber XV transmission/ritual, where Capricorn is the Goat and also representing the Devil card in the tarot, implying an introduction of Capricorn-influenced energies for the Age of Aquarius in the same way that Aquarian transmissions/rituals were introduced for Pisces and so forth for Aries.

But I can only assume that this pattern is directly involved with 3D experience that continues after the nexus point in 2011/2012(?).

According to the Mayan calendar (NOT Dreamspell), to my understanding, October 28th 2011 (according to consciousness evolution, not according to archaeological methods) marks the end of an entire cycle of 17,263,107,394 years, 180 days (rounded to the nearest whole number), which covers all 9 Underworlds of one entire Creation Cycle.

As for everyone dying physically, I couldn't say, but the Ra Material in general certainly has some valuable points to understand in the mix of all of this confusion. :D

Not to mention the TIMING of any serious transmission. As consciousness evolves in a quickening rate towards this nexus point, or singularity point, and the cycles become shorter and shorter, the translations of any of these transmissions becomes, in a felt sense, out-of-date with NOW understanding. This is probably the number one point my mind seems to have with LoO material. In other words, the language of a transmission is uniquely for its own time, is it not? :rolleyes: Consciousness is constantly updating itself moment-by-moment.

transiten

06-25-2008, 03:57 PM

Hi

Funny sync today..had been picking strawberries in my allotment, walking home I realized I could not focus on the distance, had been staring closely into the "strawberryfield-forever" -too long <Lol>

Liliane

Liliane

kilork

06-25-2008, 07:18 PM

Forgive me but what is an allotment?

conundrum

06-26-2008, 12:56 AM

I have found it funny how every one wishes to take there bodies with them into 4d
when it occurs... most of my life has revolved around trying to fix or perfect my body so I could get some mileage out of it, but I have found as soon as I fix one thing some thing else breaks or goes wrong.

As stated in the RA material these bodies we currently inhabit are designed to break and designed to feel excessive pain and confusion in order to allow catalysts for spiritual growth or accelerate our searching for oneness or polarization if we choose to do so.

The biggest problem seems to be that we wont polarize be + or - so all these worldly changes that we are experiencing are a catalyst or a prod for us to make the choice.
Most of us are sitting on our hands not participating sitting back waiting for some thing to occur which in effect may be the worst thing we can do as we are the light workers we are supposed to be generating light either + or - light or dark worker means work not neutral.

Personally leaving this body behind is not the issue its the pain or the actually process of death which is what every one is afraid of my self included as it obviously can hurt like hell depending on how one actually dies, so my observation would be focusing on death is
a waste of ones time its built into us to avoid it for a reason.. its a primal survival instinct.

The RA material also talks about pyramids and how they concentrate the ether energy by memory two types of energy maybe positive and negative which then unite into a third energy which then leaves the apex of the pyramid.
RA also refers to the pyramid as nothing more than a gadget a mere play thing to teach the fundamentals or possibly basics of consciousness.

Obviously this is my distorted point of view and should be disregarded if it doesn't sit well
with you then again it may help you to polarize - + :D

Dagaz

06-27-2008, 09:36 AM

I am certainly glad I read this thread because I woke up with several questions that it answered.
I read DW's Law of One and 2012: The facts! and would highly suggest it; it helped me a lot in my understanding.
I knew about the three way split so parts were not new, but it explained much that I wondered about.
I am looking forward to graduating or moving on with all my heart and soul. My ego does not want to go through pain and so wishes for a painless removal from this world. This reality has been interesting and a great experience, but I have felt like I have done all I want to do here. I am ready for something new!
Some may call this selfish and that I should be helping people and I would be glad to, but I think people that want help now will ask for it. There is no end of help available for those that want it and they will probably be told to look within for the most part.
DW also said that all will be harvested regardless if they are in this world or the so-called afterlife. Great Thread!

Best to all,

Dagaz :)

Dagaz

06-27-2008, 12:35 PM

This could go in the synchronicity thread or it could go in one of the 1111 threads, but me wanted to put it here to show what me is talking about. Notice the I's all the way down in me thread above. It never ends. 1111 or simple 11 in everything, everywhere. :) I hope, or :eek:

MarkM

06-27-2008, 05:29 PM

Personally leaving this body behind is not the issue its the pain or the actually process of death which is what every one is afraid of my self included as it obviously can hurt like hell depending on how one actually dies, so my observation would be focusing on death is
a waste of ones time its built into us to avoid it for a reason.. its a primal survival instinct.

Very true, and cuts to the quick of our fears. We're all still living in primate body paradigms, and as such, we instinctively fear death - whether it be the pain of death, or ceasing to exist. It's almost as if the fear of being no more is at the root of our survival instinct.

For me, this has boiled down to one simple core issue; in that the common 3D human, simian take on reality is to view the physical universe as being supreme in that consciousness arises from materiality, as some huge cosmic accident.

We also have a spiritual side, awakening, that tells a very different story. This is that consciousness is supreme, and all the Universe; indeed, all experience arises from consciousness.

Really, it's a chicken or the egg issue; what came first - Consciousness, or our Universe?

Has the Universe caused awareness, or does Awareness cause the universe?

I find this a very interesting question to pose to people. Many times, such a queston has never occured to them before. I have had people really become emotional when posed with this question, because if they consider the possibilities inherent within the question, they sometimes consider that maybe consciousness is the constant, and all manifestation, transient as it is, may be that which is perishable or mutable, and awareness itself is eternal, and the constant factor.

In the Law of One, there is only one Consciousness, and each of us embodies the fullness of this one infinite being - forever, and immortal. Death is nothing more than an illusary issue, and amounts to nothing more than an opportunity to partake of universal reality from a different perspective, as your consciousness is immutable; growable, yet eternal.

One need fear death no more than a change in life's circumstance; a move from one home to another, or from a love to more - after all, it's You who created this Universe; you are the Creator, revelling in your Creation. You need never fear anything... at all - your consciousness will only grow.

Be love, and acceptance of all; really, life experience is much more real than your impending 'death'. :D Mark

1VibrationalEnergy

06-27-2008, 11:09 PM

Really, it's a chicken or the egg issue; what came first - Consciousness, or our Universe?

Has the Universe caused awareness, or does Awareness cause the universe?

In the Law of One, there is only one Consciousness, and each of us embodies the fullness of this one infinite being - forever, and immortal. Death is nothing more than an illusary issue, and amounts to nothing more than an opportunity to partake of universal reality from a different perspective, as your consciousness is immutable; growable, yet eternal.

Be love, and acceptance of all; really, life experience is much more real than your impending 'death'. :D Mark

The Universe is the Law, we (meaning consciousness) can become aware in it. What is consciousness?? not from our body view point...
There will be Death, but death is so amazed with our life, it loves when we connect with it i.e. contacting your higher self.

soup

06-29-2008, 11:29 AM

Part of the "death" issue may be related to bandwidth. By analogy, some argue that there is some limit to the number of people that one person can be in relationship to. Managers who have studied what the optimal number of subordinates are may have found there's a point of deminishing return where their ability to manage people becomes impossible without the act of delegation. Another example is the mother with thirteen kids who has the eldest children do most of the work for her while she breastfeeds the youngest. So with that in mind, is there some bandwidth limitation related to the planet and importantly to the unseen influences that help manage it?

In my study of regeneration I found it seems a process happening all the time within the human body by way of digestion, assimilation, and elimination processes. There seems a sadness related to the efficiency of the system, that there's wasted nutrient being flushed down the toilet. Here, there's an element of finite capacity - that the body can only absorb so much valuable nutrient and the rest has to go in order for the cycles to go on. Another example seems the layoff where people with valuable skills walk out the door because there currently isn't any room for them to address whatever problem at hand needs to be handled.

Likewise, it does seem possible that at some point humanity will need to step asside, as the dinosaurs did - to make room for some sort of planetary regeneration. Here, the opportunity seems one of adopting a transmigration of soul idea. Where, as liberated from human lifeforms than individuals are freed to experience other lifeforms which may offer some advantage over the limitations a human form offers.

I admire Dr. Laurie Moore's animal intuitive insights - that within her communications she often discovers a detachment to lifeform (for example as within the beached whale incidents.) Maybe this is something that humanity needs to rediscover, as related to some schism people often hold between physical and spiritual realities.

soup

kt_HiddenLightworker

07-02-2008, 07:17 AM

hello - my first post.

i've got this image just yesterday.

At this moment, we will change our frequency to higher rate.

3rd density vibration is lower, and with physical eyes, they wont see 4th density.

With less ego, your heart/mind will be lighter, the body will follow suit since mind/heart creates symptoms via telekinesis, like cancer, since 1936 green ray activation.

That may mean your thoughts really reflect your body state.

Hence lighter the mind, lighter the body - levitation.

Up into the atmosphere ...

would be fun :)

world peace -kt

Billuminous

07-07-2008, 01:38 PM

Apologies for the brevity of this post as my computer time has been limited. Currently, I'm living at [a spiritual] Community in Shutesbury, MA, and working as the garden intern. While there seems to be a lot of awareness of Law of One principles , there are no copies of the Law of One books. As somebody with very limited funds, I'm just wondering if anybody here would be willing to donate a set of books .

Thanks! Bill

[Moderator note: the books are available online free at llresearch.org and lawofone.info]

Hello everyone,

I am new at this discussion forum
I've been into 2012 and Ra material from the past 7 years.

Actually I believe if we are truly connected, following our intuition, everything will go fine, just as we are supposed to do.

So, get involved with that permaculture project, that change of job, that group, if that is following your own intuition or your own heart.

There are others already there, so why not?
The key is to follow our present moment, our heart, and our intuition.

Finally, I believe that by 2012 major things may happen, maybe not a global extinction, but a sort of key events, key choices :eek: (as we are already seeing nowadaws; a spiritual awakening, a rising to service to others, the appearance of a community and ecological-oriented living)

From my dreams, I guess a lot of people will change drastically their lives around 2010 and 2012, key events will happen and maybe thats the 3way split. But nothing of that matters. It solely matters following our hearts, intuitons and grouping with others, if that is our purpose. :cool:

I also believe this is most of us, possibly our last 3D life. We are finishing th round, and by next century, or by 2700 at latest, we will be deeply in a 4D planet :o , learning the ways of heart, group living and spiritual union.

Best for everyone, ;)

twva

07-08-2008, 06:14 AM

Donation sought

You might try asking LL Research directly. I believe they donate books on occasion to organizations like yours.

Adam of All

07-09-2008, 09:31 AM

[Moderator note: the books are available online free at llresearch.org and lawofone.info]

These are, rather, compilations of information. A book has itself a physical manifestation :-) More useful in a group context