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David Wilcock

01-22-2001, 04:21 PM

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>well, you guys, it may interest you to know that i got my message - embrace unity with the dm issue - in a very direct way. that should make it clear that i wasn't speaking for the higher forces in what i first said. nothing has changed about the truth but i shouldn't indulge in negative emotions when seeing the truth. if you're really "into" dm then please exercise free will and don't read this, as it will be my final statement on the whole issue. 
>
>here's the rundown of how my thought process worked, followed by what happened to me and then my resolution / final observations thereafter: 
>
>i was thinking of dm at the sink while washing some dishes and preparing lunch and again feeling angry about how he misled the public with this water that cost so much money. it was all "mr. perona" this and "mr. perona" that as my mind churned on it all. i started seeing that part of my anger was thathis eccentricity has quite definitelymade it more difficult for anyone else to go on the radio and talk about the shift of the ages without drawing crossfire. similar to how erich von daniken discredited the ancient astronauts field to the public, i feel that it is impossible to discuss the flower of life diagram or use the word "merkaba" without being lumped into a category that would immediately discreditone in the eyes of many. 
>
>somy books will never discuss that, even though he didn't create the data- i found it myself in manly hall's books. while some go on to embrace his work, my perception is that the majority who follow this field are either quite distant or just aloof, and can lump the idea of "ascension" in the four-letter word category as a result. 
>
>case in point was that alittle over a year ago i must have had 30 different people swamp me with the same huge email, saying that within six months to a year he would completely heal the planet with this water, et cetera. at the time i immediately knew it was a hoax because the higher forces wouldn't allow something like this waterto exist. though many would love to have a "quick fix,"we need this planetary catalyst that we have created and a "magic bullet" to make it all go away would be a great disservice to us in seeing the aftereffects of our own conscious creations. it's the same thing with why one of jesus' temptations in the desert from the negative forces was to turn rocks into bread and feed all the world. it was a temptation because it would take away others' free will, and each person needs to meditate on why that was an evil temptation offered to jesus.oftentimes the best catalysts in lifeare the most difficult, and we definitely need them. there is nothing on the fol website about this whole debacle. 
>
>anyway, whilemy thoughts of dislike for this person ran through my mind, my hand slipped and i shattered a plate. consciously i didn't intend to do it, but subconsciously it was obviously an important message. see it for what it is but don't have any negative emotions about it - just accept and clarify.i also cut my finger in the process, a slight nick that bled for about 30 minutes and has now stopped. it was one of only two plates and now i will need to go out and buy something different for sabrina and i to be able to share dinner together - so it is more than a brief inconvenience. the metaphor, of course, is that it takes away our unity andtogetherness until i can make reparations. 
>
>i'm not telling this to you so that those who were angered by my statements would derive pleasure from the idea that the universe "stuck it to me." i'm telling you this to see that, as i will keep making clear, i'm just as human as the rest of us, as fallible and still ever-proceeding further with my own learning curriculum. and based on information in the law of one series, when you've gone as far as i have to try to represent the opinions and beliefs of the higher forces to the public, the karmic 'stakes' rise much higher. that's why i will get really blasted for the slightest deviation from the unity path, whether dietary indiscretions or otherwise. and i bless those opportunities, as they continue to purify me of my apparent flaws. 
>
>just because i do these readings and study the law of one series doesn't mean that i've absorbed everything that they teach, and i think it's important for everyone to realize that. the reason why these e-journals don't make it on the webpage is that they represent me as a conscious ego identity, not necessarily my higher self talking. you come to the asc2k group, you get the monkey and his meditations on the higher self. the website posts, i hope, have consistent statements from my highest level. i think that what i really need to see here is more of the unity perspective, which larry henson explained so well in his recent email:
>
>"we need to accept the truth that drunvalo has brought into our lives, seeing the positive and the negative as equal expressions of our divine natures. "
>
>i will freely admit that my words betray the obvious fact that i'vedisliked this man for a long time, but i've got to heal that, even if he is doing unethical things. as ra says, "to a perfectly balanced entity there is no such thing as an emotionally charged situation - there is the choice to either be of service or withdraw from the situation." and if my words were not of service to all involved then i should have had the discernment to withdraw from such a discussion. so this is it, folks, and then i'm out of here on the whole topic. 
>
>obviously dm could use my material to strengthen his own case as this gets more popular and my making statements like these on a public forum will clearly not elicit cooperation. i would hope that he did not consciously intend to mislead people and perhaps someone else took advantage of him on the 700-dollar water deal; there's no way to know how much of that money went tothe fol, llccorporation or to some other person who took advantage of a potential scheme. it does stand to reason that if i were more open about this person then possibly a larger number of souls would see a much clearer case of how and why this ascension event will come to pass, and the science will go that much further in convincing the rational mind. yet on the other hand i can't support it for the reasons i must now state, to make my ultimate point clear. 
>
>accountability 
>
>i apologize to those of you who see only the positive in this person and did not want to hear the case as related to potentially self-serving behaviors.jeff rense speaks so often about accountability on his radio show and i think that any public spiritual figure should be accountable for all actions, not just having the public pick-and-choose among the ones that everyone appreciates the most. so let me make my final statement on this whole issue about the ultimate, most important reason why i must deal with this situation as though it were negative / cult-related - and from there try to better myself to work within ra's parameters, which would be to see all from the unity perspective with loving compassion. "thank them for their service while rejecting it as not being useful for your path at this time." 
>
>first let's consider who writes the message. when the global shift tour comes near your area you'll be able to get in, hear myself, dr. mandelker and ana rincon speak in person, and you'll only drop five bucks. count 'em on one hand, and don't add zeroes to the number. i hope that as we firm up more cities that many of you can stop in. if you need to travel to get there and stay somewhere that would be the only real expense. you'll meet us, see the whole presentation live, stay on saturday and ask your own questions, and have a great time. go to the website and all the readings and all the research are yours to peruse. i will be making published books available in the future but if you don't want to buy them you don't have to... just get to a computer and look it all up online. 
>
>now i'll share an observation in context. last year one of dm's students was going to come to the fellowship and show old *videotapes* of him talking and they wanted $555 for six days or $333 for three days i believe, depending on how much you participated. the $333 was for those who only wanted to go to the final sessionson the breathing technique with a warm body to show you the ropes. and all the rest was for a videotaped "workshop!" the legitimization for the whole thing was a faded picture of dm posing with the woman running it, both with big, warm smiles on their faces. 
>
>now in case you think i'm making this up i've taken an excerpt from http://www.floweroflife.com/workusa01.htm: 
>
>"original 6-day format: this format is offered in the usa and australia, but primarily in europe and other countries whose mother tongue is not english. it consists of approximately 20-35 hours of video (based on the work of drunvalo melchizedek) and live facilitation by an authorized flower of life workshop facilitator."

"shortened 3-day format: this format is offered primarily in the usa, canada, japan, and australia. the prerequiste for this format is that the participant must watch 28 hours of video based on the flower of life basic course. the fol office has these videos for sale and they are called the general public (or gp) videos. after the participant has viewed the videos, they may then take the 3-day workshop in which the teachings of the merkaba meditation are given live. (these teachings are not on video)." 

>[note: if you want the videos it's close to $300 dollars, as seen on the site elsewhere.] 
>
"pricing: though flower of life gives our facilitators a general guideline for workshop pricing, each facilitator will price their workshops differently. you will have to contact the coordinator or facilitator for the exact price of the workshop. "
>
>so, they will not tell you how much you must pay until you call up a trained salesperson. what i felt when i saw this was that regardless of how important this meditation technique, the sacred geometry or the final close of the precessional cycle might be, can this really be a good thing, using a smiling face and a "numerical synchronicity" big-ticket price to make it "feel" spiritual? accountability. 
>
>why do the higher forces strictly insist that i make the information free for everyone if others are guided to charge an entire month worth of disposable income for similar material? is it "wrong for me but right for someone else" to make fantastic profits on this information? of course, no one attended the proposed fellowship workshop but the point is, it must be working in some places or it wouldn't be so high priced. 
>
>how much did it cost to xerox say 1000 double-sided flyers and mail some of them to a tight-knit list, to duplicate those videotapes, rent the fellowship space ($25 / day) and travel down to vb for a few days, likely staying at a friend's house? how much money would be made if even five people signed up foryour full event? you do the math. you could drive home in a new car after it was over. if ten people go you could put a down payment on a house and have enough left over to install a hot tub in the back. i ran a workshop in richmond, did all those things and the total net income was about $400. half went to the center and half to myself and sabrina. we had good turnout and it went well for a weekend. keep this in mind please as we go along further. 
>
>check out the prices for each videotape from this list:
>
>http://www.floweroflife.com/rvideo01.htm
>
>materials and labor, how much left over? (notape there is under about $27.) 
>
>fol, llc is a huge organization, international and all across the fifty states, making staggering profits. poke around on the website and see how big it is for yourself. think about how much coordination and cashflow would have to be there for it to be that huge. 
>
>check this out from the website as well. interesting. 
>
>"though there are other teachers around the world who teach various merkaba techniques, these are the only facilitators qualified to teach the flower of life course and the teachings of the merkaba as presented by drunvalo melchizedek and flower of life research."
>
>"please note: any person who takes a workshop with an unauthorized facilitator will not be eligible to take further advanced courses with drunvalo melchizedek or flower of life research. (this is the only way we can insure the person has been taught the merkaba technology correctly)."

"notice: mr. jeff wein and mr. gianfranco dal bianco are no longer authorized flower of life facilitators. their classes are unauthorized and any individuals who take their classes are not eligible to enroll in advanced courses given by drunvalo melchizedek or flower of life research. "
>
>think when you read this. please. and compare it to known data regarding cults. doyou think there is a connection if you can separate yourself emotionally from the whole thing? would you be "tainted" if i did a workshop and suggested that you visualize sacred geometry in meditation? read again. you would be excommunicated if you "confessed" to it. 
>
>one more point. let's say thatas a member of fol, llc., you offer this information because you want to "save the world" in your own way, teaching compassion and love. let's say thatyou are one who sees the problems of the world and can make the clear connection to the abuses of capitalism and desire for maximized profit. why thendo you play the same game and try to make it seem like it's ok for you to behave the same because its "god's teachings" and it's on a much smaller scale than, say, the multinational corporations? accountability. 
>
>if everyone who had something to teach followed this example then we'd have abject spiritual starvation on this planet, people trading bread for knowledge. 
>
>so how do they justify it? read: 
>
>"why should i have to pay for a spiritual workshop? spiritual information should be free to all."

"spiritual information is indeed already free to all, for those who wish to take the time (perhaps years of meditation) to develop themselves and find these answers for themselves. if one wishes to receive information that was gathered and compiled by others who have put their hard work and resources into it, there is often an energy exchange. the information presented within these workshops is indeed ancient and shared by many that have attended the classes. it does, however, entail considerable expense for the facilitator who presents a workshop, such as space rental, travel costs, workshop supplies, technical equipment, handouts, mail correspondence, phone costs, advertising, etc. in addition, a small percentage of these fees is paid to the flower of life organization, which supports the main office and its staff in coordinating the international facilitator program, updating the web site, and keeping the workshop curriculum up to date. if a student is not willing to exchange energy with the facilitator and the organization that works hard to present this information, then we suggest the seeker find another means to gather this information that is more compatible with his or her own belief system."
>
>that's my main problem / observation / understanding and i hope i have stated it without judging or condemning. ten people go to the workshop, that's 11g - the things on the above list are nowhere near that much money to do. remember my richmond example.where is all this money going? look to the top of the pyramid folks... dmhas spawnedan *industry*. each person who finds dm and loves him is stepping into a very expensive domain. the more you read the site, find out what dm is now doing, the more you see how it only gets more and more expensive, and the more you want to learn the more you'll keep paying. this is all-too familiar sounding to me. 
>
>i guess that in the future i should offer data if requested without making an opinion statement. i also would hope that i can use this example as a way for me to further fine-tune the all-consuming importance of seeing all beings from the unity perspective, as equally divine sparks of the one. even confused entities deserve our compassion, and that goes for any level or any being that we might run into. sure, everybody needs money - but this much? 
>
>in closing, let's bless dm, fol and all involved, hoping that something positive is coming out of all this despite the profit-taking. personally i disagree with it, but each must make their free will choice and i will not judge you regardless of how you feel about it, or whether you agree with my assessments or not. it's up to you to use your own discernment. 
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david
>
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style="font: 10pt arial">----- original message -----
style="background: #e4e4e4; font: 10pt arial; font-color: black">from: clark stewart (fudoshin09@hotmail.com)
style="font: 10pt arial">to: asc2k@egroups.com
style="font: 10pt arial">sent: monday, january 22, 2001 4:09 pm
style="font: 10pt arial">subject: [asc2k] just a qoute
>
<tt>just to rectify the vibe that may have off set some of you..

"were there no potential for misunderstanding and therefore, understanding,
there would be no experience."

yes it is a ra qoute that i pulled out of's scott's book, "universal
vision"..it came at just the right time, and i sent this to dw just to make
sure he got..so be at peace yall, it's for the greater good we have these
distortions..

in l/l,
c

>
> thanks for all the great suggestions from everyone. it really is
>quite exciting when the discussion that takes place here has a personal
>effect on your life. i wish i could have thanked everyone sooner, but the
>email server is being moronic.
> i have not read any dm (on matters dealing with acronyms of names and
>abbreviated typing, i yield to fudo - the recognized authority). however,
>it seems to keep being shoved in my face. this may be a sign. one thing's
>for sure - the importance of meditation and meditating well is not going to
>diminish in the coming years, and the different perspectives we all bring
>to this dialogue can only help make us better spiritual citizens. so
>thanks again to david and all those who have helped me with love and
>guidance.
> i'm sorry that this thread took a turn towards, well, a more negative
>tone. i know that i get major negative vibes whenever there is an attack
>upon something that is dear to another's heart, no matter what the reason.
>there's got to be a way that we can have a discussion on this list without
>reverting to fallen behavioral patterns of attack / defend. although that
>pattern is the norm for most internet discussion lists (trust me on that
>one :-) we should strive to break the mold.
> i just get a panicky little anxious feeling whenever we're telling
>people that what they believe is wrong. if we're gonna be left-brained
>about the whole mess, we might as well revert to "logical positivism" and
>give up looking for anything beyond that. part of being beyond that is
>realizing that the whole story is not always known or knowable. part of
>where we're at is about trusting people to be masters of themselves. part
>of it is about admitting our own fallibility. a big part of it is about
>faith in that which we hold as the essence and foundation of everything we
>believe in (and argue over). as over-emotional and cliche as it sounds, we
>really do have infinitely more in common than different. (c'mon, dubya's in
>office now; he's a uniter, not a divider <lol>).
> c'mon. we're all charting unknown waters here - and given that
>universal fact, we can cut each other a little slack, can't we? until the
>next episode...
> in love and light,
> jeremy
> ----- original message -----
> from: david wilcock
> to: asc2k@egroups.com
> sent: friday, january 19, 2001 7:37 pm
> subject: re: [asc2k] meditation suggestions
>
>
> i had a conversation with christopher naughton, metaphysical radio talk
>show host, recently, and he said that the work of lazaris associated the
>"ear blast" with psychic sensitivity. specifically, he said that the
>temporal lobes of the brain become far more able to resonate with and sense
>minute changes in electromagnetic energy. i have noticed that there are
>times where it seems to happen as a result of an outside physical energy
>and not just spiritually-related events.
>
> as per the melchizedek (bernard perona) data it is fun to read as
>fantasy but completely unsubstantiated by anything other than his own
>channeling. show me david suzuki's own published papers, please, and let me
>decide for myself instead of believing. and i find it very interesting that
>almost as soon as he started channeling in 1972, he predicted the end of
>the world only a few months away that august. naturally when this didn't
>happen he channeled that into the model as well. as ra says, when negative
>entities go online in a positive channel the first thing they will do is
>give messages of doom that do not come true and thus delegitimize the
>channel. case in point.
>
> the various money-making schemes and duplicity that mr. perona has
>indulged in, especially in the last five years, are totally obvious signs
>of negative entity influence for self-aggrandizement. i know of many people
>who have turned away in the last few years from all involvement with him.
>these lies have earned him widespread condemnation from the metaphysical
>community and, you will notice, a total lockout from all the big-named
>international talk radio circuits.
>
> (i was disappointed that laura lee did an entire show with him about his
>"miracle" ascension water that "slices, dices and heals the planet in a
>jiffy!" you remember, right? "just a few drops will completely depollute an
>entire lake..." et cetera. and what happens if you drink the formula
>"specially formulated for the human body?" "well," says mr. perona, "that's
>the most exciting part but it's classified and i can't discuss it in public
>-- yet." the whole thing turned out to be a fake but not before many people
>bought literally 700-dollar vials of water thinking it would make them
>ascend.)
>
> i don't dislike him or anyone else as a person, and yes the two books of
>his are actually fairly decent, but there are some highly significant
>problems with his teachings that are not difficult to find.
>
> the only part of those two mailings that might have a possibility of
>being true in my eyes is the idea that artificial objects may not hold
>their matter frequency after the shift. but even that is a big stretch and
>does not conform with most other data points that indicate many artifacts
>from our world that will be rediscovered later.
>
> i know that ra's information seems just as "out there" but unlike mr.
>perona, all the channelings are freely available and they predicted many
>concrete scientific facts well before their official discoveries, as i will
>discuss in convergence iii. and l/l research has never veered from the
>positive polarity or tried to manipulate their readers in any way.
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david
> ----- original message -----
> from: clark stewart
> to: asc2k@egroups.com
> sent: friday, january 19, 2001 5:40 pm
> subject: re: [asc2k] meditation suggestions
>
>
> oh the ear buzzing, dw would know more than i, but it is assciated
>with
> overtone harmonics, and can be used for intuitional nudges..it has do
>with a
> deep sense of peace, that consists of bi-locational atomic bleed
>through..
> i am thinking about as a stimulation of a certain gland that may or
>may not
> be in this bio-shell but a parallel one..
> and the bleed through connects some of our glands, maybe pineal, and
> radiates outward from what seems to be a center pt. and reacts with
> something in the ears...it is like for me a dog whistle is going off,
>except
> for humans..
> i think of it as "spidy sences"..laughs..
> your on the rt track..your parents come from a different node of
> exsistance..no biggy, most of 'ours' do..
> any other comments , for this is just theoretical..?
>
> c
>
> >from: "jeremy weiland" <jweiland@nettalon.com>
> >reply-to: asc2k@egroups.com
> >to: "asc2kgroup" <asc2k@egroups.com>
> >subject: [asc2k] meditation suggestions
> >date: fri, 19 jan 2001 23:22:02 -0500
> >
> >hope everyone's doing alright!
> >
> >got a question for ya, in two parts.
> >
> >1. do you have any suggestions for establishing a daily meditation
> >routine? or, more importantly, how to go about the meditation
>process
> >(i.e. what works for you, good things to think about / concentrate
>on, body
> >position, etc.). i know i'm a perfectionist about this and always
>have to
> >do it "by the book" but i get a warm fuzzy feeling from hearing how
>other
> >people do this. i have a hard time with breathing regularly and
>swallowing
> >- i get so "still" that i forget to breathe, and once i remember i've
>lost
> >my concentration. any suggestions?
> >
> >2. frequently when i meditate (especially while laying in bed)
>when i
> >get deep into it, i find that my whole body gets a really wierd
>tingly
> >feeling, which is cool. it is however a sort of problem since the
>only way
> >to describe it is that my entire body feels "charged" like i'm a
>human
> >capacitor for virginia power. many times i also hear ringing in the
>ears.
> >it can be slightly uncomfortable at times and used to scare the
>beegeebies
> >out of me. although i've been dealing with it in my meditation, it
>is sort
> >of distracting b/c it is not neccessarily a relaxing feeling, if you
>know
> >what i mean.
> > my question is, is there a way i should be using this energy, or
>is
> >this a desirable feeling? is this energy coming in or stored energy
>(i.e.
> >stress that needs to be released)?does anyone know what i'm talking
>about?
> >my parents have been meditating for a while but they don't seem to
> >recognize what i'm talking about. i got the idea yesterday to ask
>the
> >group about this.
> >
> > the cool thing is that, after my meditation last night when i
>was
> >"charged" i had a series of dreams, and i only remembered the last
>one
> >completely but it was really cool, involving me spacewalking and
>robots and
> >falling through the atmosphere. the most uplifting thing that has
>happened
> >all year so far.
> >
> > oh, one other thing: anyone have any info on whether may 5, 2001
>is
> >important?
> >
> > take care,
> > jeremy
>
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01-22-2001, 05:41 PM

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>hope you're doing well, david, and your finger is healing. i wanted to touch base with you about your last post.
>
>i guess that in the future i should offer data if requested without making an opinion statement. 
>
> i think this would help. imho it is a waste of your time to participate in these back and forths - an ascension2000 policy statement and appropriate explanation would suffice. there was nothing wrong with your first comment on the whole deal, except for the fact that you kinda sounded defensive, rather than simply stating where you were coming from and leaving it at that, and that may have invited argument where you didn't desire it. 
> internet list groups are wierd; it's a new kind of diplomacy you have to engage in. you can sound very different in an email compared to a conversation - and therein lies 90% of the turmoil on lists. i was glad to see that you and clark were so gracious about what are apparently big differences of opinion. the way this whole thing has played out is a huge improvement on the last "fiasco" and i just wanted to let you know that i'm really happy to be a part of this list. it's coming together nicely, i think.
>
>in closing, let's bless dm, fol and all involved, hoping that something positive is coming out of all this despite the profit-taking. personally i disagree with it, but each must make their free will choice and i will not judge you regardless of how you feel about it, or whether you agree with my assessments or not. it's up to you to use your own discernment. 
>
>here is the key... once this idea is clear the majority of the tension is released. free will needs to be reinforced all the time so thatpeople do not feel marginalized and attacked.
>i'm glad that things work out and appreciate very much the opportunity to correspond with you. let me know if there's anything i can do to help (i really do mean that david). 
>love and light,
>jeremy
>
>p.s. on chapter 6 of shift and loving it! and i got ra material book1 for xmas...</blockquote>

Larry Henson

01-22-2001, 06:05 PM

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>david's honesty in expressing his thoughts and feelings shows he is making the bridge into merging with his shadow. i honor his example and hope i can do as well when presented with the opportunity. 
>
>to provide some perspective. let us look some at the view i have arrived at with this discussion. the usa is currently a 3d society as evidenced by electing president bush. he presents an opportunity to bring the country more into the heart, since he is a cancer. time will tell if he is up to the task. i pray that he succeeds. 
>
>dm seems to be in 4d. the people that have seen him recognize the compassionate energy he gives off. this, to me, is a representation of the new age movement. a lot of feelings of compassion.
>
>however, he foray into 5d seems to have not been successful. there seem to be a lot of "new agers" proposing spiritual technology to change your life and change the world. crystals, visualisations, dna restructuring, reiki, aromatherapy, etc. how do you know if they represent the truth? the "new agers" see some effect, like a good feeling, and fall head over heels for the presenting person. they know little of the 5d world. the presenting person knows only a little more. dm seems to know more than most, but still falters. the new age community is stumbing towardits evolution.
>
>as we evolve our higher level consciousness, we must honor the lower levels we had transcended. they are still a part of us. we see them from a new perspective. the 5d person knows that the compassion of the 4d person is the creative power in the universe. he wishes that they were able to use it as effectively as he does. if we try to suppress it, we create a shadow side of ourselves we will need to integrate in a later stage of our evolution. this shadow can become so strong to manifest as disease. if we accept it and allow ourselves to express it, we come to that place where we see the truth in everything.
>
>david is providing us with a well developed view of 5d consciousness. i am grateful to be able to read it. i am especially grateful of the integrity with which it is presented. thank you for the example.
>
>carolyn myss makes the statement that buddha is our guide into the 6th chakra. the synchrony of david's reading on moving into 6d consciousness and his relationship with scott, who writes so well about the buddhist perspective will help us in our evolution.
>
>in truth and beauty,
>larry

Christian

01-23-2001, 07:26 AM

hi david and all,

thank you david for your final comments, below is a transcript of e-mail
with a fol facilitator i had here in the uk,

i felt i should post this as it illustrates your points well from my
experience of trying to get help and the situation in the uk.

it is merely and observation and i do not intend to put anyone's nose
out of joint who follows drunvalo and no negativity is intended.

i could get free training if i was going to act as a 'rep' and get
10 people for them at £100 each!

i also expressed a need to give workshops for free once trained, and
you can read the response for yourselves.

dear michael.

i have been practicing the merkaba for about 6 months now and have
had a few memorable experiences and visions.

i have had one very lucid short ride in my merkaba vehicle which
i will never forget! (more luck than judgment!)

i have also been shown a star gate in the constellation of orion
back in november in which i was guided to use the merkaba technique.
i will not

go in to detail about the orion dream which i had analyzed but just
to say it led me on to merkaba study.

((note. thank you david for interpreting that dream way back in november,
i remember your comment on the time of message11:11))

i am a member of the golden flower of life mail groups, which gives
good feedback on other peoples experiences and up to date information etc.

i feel that i am making steady progress but at times i get 'blockages'
and am unable to meditate properly. the method i have learned was
from

drunvalo melchizedek, which i have been trying alone, as i said
i have had some very nice experiences but consistent results still fail
me. my

daily meditations are completed up to the creation of the spheres
of light at breath 14 where i usually wait for contact from the higher
self

to allow me to proceed to starting my merkaba. i have not
that i am aware of, received this permission or contacted my higher self
but had

many dreams featuring higher self. i have heard the there
are many workshops in the us and there are videos available for perfecting

technique, i have also seen that they charge £888 dollars
for the 8 day basic intensive!!!!!!

i was wondering if you teach basic and advanced merkaba techniques
and weather or not you charge for this teaching.

i am desperate to progress with my merkaba but feel that without
some sort of guidance i am fumbling in the dark so to speak.

i have very limited funds having had a really bad year but i wont
bore you with all that. i also understand that there are videos available,

can these be obtained in the uk? ideally i would like to learn first
hand from a qualified teacher or attend a group but cannot travel to the
us.

so if you could offer any help, advice or guidance i would be more
than grateful, i would also eventually like to teach the basic and advanced
merkaba

to others in free workshops locally but i need to perfect my own
technique first i feel!:)

i can provide you with full details of my experiences for analysis
if you like but i have not written here because of the volume of the material
and you may be a busy man.

i look forward to hearing from you and any help, guidance you may
be

able to offer.

thank you

christian

love and light and peace.

dear christian

thank you for your message. yes, i do teach basic and advanced merkaba,
usually in partnership with a dutch woman teacher, and yes, i do charge
for

workshops. if you are thinking of teaching free workshops, then
you must have much more money than i have. workshops involve expense -
travel,

accommodation, meals, phone calls and letters, photocopies of
handbooks, tapes, etc. etc. and the original training, as you know, is
quite expensive,

with plane fares, food and accommodation as well as the cost of
the workshops. and when i work, i do like to get paid, and teaching a two
day workshop is hard work.

if you would like to receive free training, then the best way is
to organize a workshop for me/us in your area. organizers have a free place,
and

expenses paid. the usual charge per participant is around one hundred
pounds, and i like to have a minimum of ten, though i can be flexible on

that if need be. a workshop includes the basic and advanced merkaba
techniques, learnt over the two days. on the first day i teach the
basic

merkaba techniques, along with initiations into the mahatma energies,
dna activation, removal of implants and karmic tie cutting. on the second
day i

teach the advanced techniques, activating five merkaba fields in
this universe, then traveling with our consciousness through to the new

universe, where a sixth merkaba field is activated. after this a
new technique for the chakra cleanse is addes, so that each student cleanses
31

chakras before activating their merkaba fields. we work with very
high energies, and healings are common at my workshops.

let me know if organizing a workshop interests you, and we can work
out dates and other details.

with love to you

michael

----- original message -----

from: <mfts@madasafish.com>

to: <mahatma@shamballa.f9.co.uk>

sent: tuesday, september 26, 2000 10:46 am

subject: uk merkabah.

i wish all the fol people well in their endeavors it's just a shame
their work is financially prejudiced. i like david live on a shoestring,
i don't work and also

have a bland diet of cheese and olive oil :), just joking, spiritual
diet, but i can tell you that after dropping out of commercial existence
14 months ago i have never

been so wealthy. i bathe in radox sleep easy flavour every morning
:) i am fit and healthy now from daily meditation and real food which i
get from local growers and its cheaper!

i have no stress whatsoever and i really see things when i look at
the world around me, and my thoughts are my own property, not some fat
cats in the managers office.

i hate capitalism and christmas this year left an even worse
taste in my mouth than other years, i was actually knocked down in a shop
by people rushing to make their

purchases, and no one even helped me up, they were so concerned about
shopping. also at this time i had some friends over from cephalonia
visiting and we all went

out for a few drinks in my town. we had a lovely time and started
to walk home, my father and our friends and my partner all went in to a
pizza place to get supper while i

remained outside in the street. i noticed a homeless guy in a
dark doorway near the pizza place, feeling full of christmas spirit warm
and fuzzy:)

i decided to go and offer some conversation and any small things i
had i could give. we had a nice little chat and my girlfriend came
over and we gave him some money and cigarettes. while we were crouched
down by this guy some 'lads' came along and started saying stuff,
i can't remember exactly what as i was listening to the homeless guy.
they then started kicking him and gathered round saying he was blocking
the highway!! they then dragged his sleeping bag from him tipping
him and his possessions on the pavement (sidewalk). well i had to
object to this, wouldn't you, there were 4 of them and i felt brave
and with good on my side and i said 'what the hell are you doing that is
that guys home'. my choice was made, you probably know what's coming,
the one guy came up to me the one who had taken the sleeping bag and got
me by the scruff of the neck and as i looked up at his face full of bitterness
he said to me 'you know what you're going to get now don't you', i replied
with a smile and a simple yes. the next thing i knew my girlfriend
was slapping my face and i had a blurred

view of the night sky my nose hurt soooo much. by the time i
came round they had gone and i found out they started attacking my girl
too but ran off when my friends came to help.

good job i was out cold!

the odd thing that sticks in my mind after all the fuss had died down
is that there was one guy left after the crowd had gone helping me stand
and was concerned for our well being, he said absolutely nothing until
we thanked him and started to go home and he said to me 'are you a christian'
well i had to laugh despite my pain because my name is christian,

i simply said if god only knew how much i believe.

we then parted and that's the last i saw of him or the others, i still
see the homeless guy on the street in my town and he's fine.

i just wanted to share that, not sure why? just part of life's rich
tapestry, i smile now in reflection on these things.

i love to study david's work and i am glad this group was set up to
exchange ideas and thoughts and i hope it will carry on. it's great
that we can have this medium for sharing even

though we might me thousands of miles apart.

i hope all of you are well and i hope you cut heals up quickly david
and look forward to reading any new material, although i did have
to laugh about your plate situation, i have some i can send :):) just jesting
with you, i hope others in the group send in some more postings so we can
all get to know each other better and have some great debates in these
ground breaking areas of knowledge.

on a lighter side do any of you like steven wright? i am a big
fan and if i need a good belly laugh i listen to his online stuff from
shows at:

http://hitcomedy.com/act/wright/

i love the joke about where he goes for a job interview and goes in
and sits down and starts reading a book, the interviewer 'says what the
hell are you doing'

steven says 'i have a question', ' if you are going at the speed of
light in your vehicle and you turn on the lights. does anything happen?'
the interviewer says ' i don't know'

steven says ' i don't think i can work here' and leaves.

love and light to you all

christian

more irony than a scrap yard :)

Clark stewart

01-23-2001, 06:40 PM

must also complete this discussion , as i can't say this is the last of my
letters regarding this issue, but denise has given us some incredible
insight to the argument at hand..
and as willing as dw is to wipe his hands free, we know this isn't
resolved, for those of you that don't know let me say a couple things...
>
"nothing has changed about the truth but i shouldn't indulge in negative
emotions when seeing the truth."
the "truth" that dw referres to is interesting, b/c i believe that everyones
truth is relative to there own perspective.

before i begin i am going to state my motives for doing this..
this is not to create bad vibes at all, i'm not into this, but a lot of
major changes in life will be the most painful (i'm also sure that alot of
the wanderers will see this and the like, karmically speaking)..
again i will use a ra's words, did ra not say that wanderers would be a high
priority target...
well what i am seeing is one positive channel vs another, like 2 positive
ends of a magnet being forced together..this is the ideal state of what the
sts entities are working soo hard to accomplish..
for i see dm and dw working together directly being a huge beam of light
shining forth in the darkest of chasms.

so were is dw's bad vibe about dm originated from..?
let us take a looksy..
"30 different people swamp me with the same huge email, saying that within
six months to a year he would completely heal the planet with this water, et
cetera"

here we see the toll of 'other' peoples opinion based on the source (dm)..
i personally believe that the water exsisted, as it is in my mind a aspect
of 4th d that are planet is allready vibrating at..as ra says again, it is
our perception that is still clinging to this old system..
and even if it exsisted, it wouldn't have been easy to implement, and that
is where the problem lyes..it is easy to hold a bias from outside/2nd/3rd
party sources, but until you get into the political crap that is intertwined
into this all you see the up hill battle that dm faced..

as i said prev, i had talked to a leading water researcher, just last week,
who has been testing with electrodes for cellular hydration..that being in
and out of the cells..he has been working on clustered water, and other
types, but the reason for me calling was initially about the 'super ionized
water' the dm was initially backing..i of course was curious about it's
legitimacy.

what he told me , was that there was a lot of negotiations between dm and
the ceo of this turkey water plant that was producing the water..
due to the control of how and where the water was used, negotiations didn't
go well..dm put alot of his time/money in trying toget this to work,
obviously knowing the repercussions of a solid deal with this company.
due to this control, the 'forces' decided to take away the 'special'
harmonic additive, and what remains was a water that didn't really perform
upto the grandere spoken of by dm..so of course this would weaken his
credibilty, what a wonderful neg. plan...?unfortunate really
the water was apparently shown at hush hush demos, and there are online
streamable videos i have seen, demonstrating it's ability to reverse
polution of all kinds ..which could be fakable...sure...

now when dm said he wouldn't comment on the personal use of it, it was b/c
he hadn't been instructed to do so yet, by his own forces..

>"i was thinking of dm at the sink while washing some dishes and preparing
>lunch and again feeling angry about how he misled the public with this
>water that cost so much money."

i personally have never seen any prices that dw has mentioned, what i have
heard , due to my own inqury in wanting to become a distributer, is a 3oz
bottle runs for $65 usd..and then is dilluted into 16-20l of water..
well...sure any one can get scammed now a days, and if in to sts/neg.
polarity then why not rip somebody off in the name of someone sto/pos.
polarity.

what happens is like what is happening rt now in this discussion group and
in dw's mind, and his research is now being hampered b/c of not wanting to
asscociate himself w the dm and the fol design..
which to me is the grandest of misfortunes as i repect both works and
realize the potential in the integration of the two...
but maybe you can all disaccount me b/c of this dw quote...

"while some go on to embrace his work, my perception is that the majority
who follow this field are either quite distant or just aloof, and can lump
the idea of "ascension" in the four-letter word category as a result."

sooo, i guess that means denise and i (and all others who see this
connection) even though follow and appreciate dw and dm's work we are still,
"lumped" together in the "quite distant" and "just aloof" category..

compassion....hmmmm

so now b/c of these sources that have been bombarding dw about, (what is to
me disinfo) now any and all correlations with the flower of life design are
not included b/c of the bad vibes that dm has apparently 'assciated himself
with'./

furtherly...the jesus temptation i understand..

but not all of those peeps that he was intending to feed all have bad karma
>
>but maybe i am mistaken, i just think this is a generalization..
a lot has been lost or distorted in is original teacings..
i have learnt some cool stuff in hurtak's new book ,"pistis sophia" with
regard to the original teachings...anyone who really wants to avoid the
current biblical distortions and arn't trained in massonic decoding 101
might want to look at this one..let's cont.
like the water at the scared sites, which is really what clustered water is
based upon..
from sources, such as the mayan shamen i met last yr..
http://www.galacticmaya.com/englisch/tlacotewater.htm
>
so his site says that 20% wern't healed for karma reasons..
to me this means that the 'bread' even if offered would appear like rock to
those who were karmically held..just a theory...?

another dw qoute
>
>"anyway, while my thoughts of dislike for this person ran through my mind,
>my hand slipped and i shattered a plate."

i did lol, as not at dw but as how these forces operate around us, all
things come around...
"when you've gone as far as i have to try to represent the opinions and
beliefs of the higher forces to the public, the karmic 'stakes' rise much
higher. that's why i will get really blasted for the slightest deviation
from the unity path, whether dietary indiscretions or otherwise."

this is a fully interesting as when ever i had slipped from my diet i would
be struch ten fold..normally, as i do talk a lot about food issues..
>
"we need to accept the truth that drunvalo has brought into our lives,
seeing the positive and the negative as equal expressions of our divine
natures. "
>
>word to that, but even though you say this, i don't know how you say the
>rest..
like there is a obvious integration/melding of ego's going on behind the
curtain.
which like it or not will effect the outcome of everything..
so i do this for dw and the compassion i have for him, not to pick at a
scab,but b/c i see this as being a open wound that needs healing..

"it does stand to reason that if i were more open about this person then
possibly a larger number of souls would see a much clearer case of how and
why this ascension event will come to pass, and the science will go that
much further in convincing the rational mind."

lets look at the end imparticular, w regards to the rational mind...
what bugs me out is that i just reread the latest reading on the ascension
site.
and it seems the forces are saying....

"do this not for yourself but for the others; not for the skeptics, but for
those who already do believe but have not been able to rectify or clarify
their
beliefs with the logical, {here i think there was a missed 'the' to start a
new sentance}
'the' scientific mind that feels it must control its existence and define
and understand the outside world in piecemeal fashion.
>
i see why dw is not sure what they are saying here..
this is a obvious inner battle with the elements of the scientific consensus
and dw's concerns with getting the spotlight with his blood sweat and tears.
which to me seems to have caused a wee but of 'term oil'....?
the integration again, but on another 'note', w regards to pleasing the
rational thinkers that having been egging dw on..."you say bull****"..
the egging is what has dw, the outcome seems to be a retaliation, which is
why the forces say, "do this not for yourself..."

with regards to seminars and pricing., the distortion here lyes alot in my
eyes with those who are acting as facilators, who are capable of
over-charging for such secrets..thusly disemenating the appearance/motives
of dm, which could be mis-interpreted as his own doing. denise t/y, big hug
for your help as your strength helped me here.
>

" (no tape there is under about $27.)"

here is a nice example of how you can truely distort the very thing you
see/believe..and it seems that dw has this emotional charge that is not
allowing him to see it like it is..
there are several tapes under $27, the others over are mostly double tapes.
and from a multimedia bk ground , i know if you ain't pump'n these out like
hot cakes at your local block buster, they ain't going to be cheep..!
but i also assume they are of a decent quality..
i personally only have seen two of the listed videos, and they were ahight.
for what i paid, and howmany peeps i have showed it too, it is a small price
to pay, for inspiration, knowledge...etc
.
>last thing..
what dw is saying about the forces, not making money and doing things for
free.
this is great, but keep in mind that dw has to charge $150 for a reading to
support all the other free goodies....which i fully appreciate..but i do
hope you see where i am going with all this..
like denise said , we live in 3rd d, costs gotta come from some where.
so what might be rt. for dw is not rt. for dm, doesn't this sound like a
cosmic law being broken..aka, 'imposing thy will on others'
maybe dm needs money for other projects like the film they are talking about
on the www site where a lot of money has been allocated to help this
project.
somethings to think about ..
>
just trying to illuminate the other side of the fence, and if wasn't for
denise i wouldn't have had the umph as i am battling a cold that is around..

in light-love,
clark
>
>

>
>i guess that in the future i should offer data if requested without making
>an opinion statement. i also would hope that i can use this example as a
>way for me to further fine-tune the all-consuming importance of seeing all
>beings from the unity perspective, as equally divine sparks of the one.
>even confused entities deserve our compassion, and that goes for any level
>or any being that we might run into. sure, everybody needs money - but this
>much?
>
>in closing, let's bless dm, fol and all involved, hoping that something
>positive is coming out of all this despite the profit-taking. personally i
>disagree with it, but each must make their free will choice and i will not
>judge you regardless of how you feel about it, or whether you agree with my
>assessments or not. it's up to you to use your own discernment.
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david
>
> ----- original message -----
> from: clark stewart
> to: asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=ajzns3iqiledzsj_oen3mtdac1bsvsxsji6dgs cz3t4a3jk2bkmdd-yzl1ynqthhtt_qnbff4rk)
> sent: monday, january 22, 2001 4:09 pm
> subject: [asc2k] just a qoute
>
>
> just to rectify the vibe that may have off set some of you..
>
> "were there no potential for misunderstanding and therefore,
>understanding,
> there would be no experience."
>
> yes it is a ra qoute that i pulled out of's scott's book, "universal
> vision"..it came at just the right time, and i sent this to dw just to
>make
> sure he got..so be at peace yall, it's for the greater good we have
>these
> distortions..
>
> in l/l,
> c
>
>
> >
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John Markey

01-23-2001, 06:52 PM

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>david:
>
>i look at your recent comments as just another technique for us all to sharpen ourselves in reality much as a knifemaker uses a stone to put the critical sharp edge on a newly crafted tool. oftentimes a bit of ranting helps me see things clearer, so it is that i have come to respect others' rantings. it can be a form of channeling from one level into the emotional structure.
>
>on the topic of price: i was once caught up in an earlier movement in the '70's that i watched go from "reasonable" to costly - especially so at the time, as i was a student! over the years, i also came to watch folks inhe movement put up alters to the teacher. it was a good lesson, which i see some teachers repeating today with "new" students. eventually, they will learn that the teaching is within, but the money paid gave credence to what they are not allowing within their own self. later, they will transfer this trust to their own innerteacher. very important step. 
>
>in love,
>
>john markey
>
>
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>jeremy replied:
>
> i think this would help. imho it is a waste of your time to participate in these back and forths - an ascension2000 policy statement and appropriate explanation would suffice. there was nothing wrong with your first comment on the whole deal, except for the fact that you kinda sounded defensive, rather than simply stating where you were coming from and leaving it at that, and that may have invited argument where you didn't desire it</blockquote>
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Jeremy Weiland

01-23-2001, 07:44 PM

i can understand where you're coming from clark. there's two bodies of
work that, when combined, could validate each other and serve to strengthen
the entire movement that we are a part of.
however, there's just one problem with that:
david doesn't wanna.
and david is the only person (besides the forces) that gets to decide
how his research goes. i'm sure you weren't thinking that you should have a
say in how the research and work at asc2k is performed and the direction it
should take. i know you don't mean it like that. fudo's good people. but
i had to have it stated just to make the point concrete.
however, it's important that david be david and all of us hold our
beliefs with respect for another's. david not integrating fol teachings is
not going to ruin his work. to speculate on negative forces involvement
is... well, speculative. i'm sure they played a role in discrediting dm,
but that doesn't automatically make dw his redeemer. david's got his own
work to do.
just because dw has limited the scope of his data, that in no way means
that you must in your personal search for truth; in fact, you are compelled
to follow the path that you are led upon. however, you have to respect
david's own conviction to obey the dictate of his conscience as well.
i have enjoyed hearing about fol stuff (since it seems to have so much
to do with meditation, my current study) and will look into it myself at
some vague future point in time (when anthropology and computer science
classes and all the stuff i'm reading right now is over... who knows
when...). in the meantime, i don't think that it's out of place at all for
you to integrate fol and asc2k teachings into your own personal philosophy
and to share that philosophy with the list. in fact, i look forward to it.
just don't expect david to jump on the bandwagon.
"fudo, keepin it real..."
l/l
jeremy
-----original message-----
from: clark stewart <fudoshin09@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=bvhjscniwi_tw79ccstthxjbwg3ybkw4cbvs1y wvdf3qcpwilvqe-z9dou2o8rqbybtxy00fovf1nruy)>
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date: tuesday, january 23, 2001 7:22 pm
subject: re: [asc2k] final statement on dm / fol

>must also complete this discussion , as i can't say this is the last of my
>letters regarding this issue, but denise has given us some incredible
>insight to the argument at hand..
>and as willing as dw is to wipe his hands free, we know this isn't
>resolved, for those of you that don't know let me say a couple things...
>>
>"nothing has changed about the truth but i shouldn't indulge in negative
>emotions when seeing the truth."
>the "truth" that dw referres to is interesting, b/c i believe that
everyones
>truth is relative to there own perspective.
>
>before i begin i am going to state my motives for doing this..
> this is not to create bad vibes at all, i'm not into this, but a lot of
>major changes in life will be the most painful (i'm also sure that alot of
>the wanderers will see this and the like, karmically speaking)..
>again i will use a ra's words, did ra not say that wanderers would be a
high
>priority target...
>well what i am seeing is one positive channel vs another, like 2 positive
>ends of a magnet being forced together..this is the ideal state of what the
>sts entities are working soo hard to accomplish..
>for i see dm and dw working together directly being a huge beam of light
>shining forth in the darkest of chasms.
>
>so were is dw's bad vibe about dm originated from..?
>let us take a looksy..
>"30 different people swamp me with the same huge email, saying that within
>six months to a year he would completely heal the planet with this water,
et
>cetera"
>
>here we see the toll of 'other' peoples opinion based on the source (dm)..
>i personally believe that the water exsisted, as it is in my mind a aspect
>of 4th d that are planet is allready vibrating at..as ra says again, it is
>our perception that is still clinging to this old system..
>and even if it exsisted, it wouldn't have been easy to implement, and that
>is where the problem lyes..it is easy to hold a bias from outside/2nd/3rd
>party sources, but until you get into the political crap that is
intertwined
>into this all you see the up hill battle that dm faced..
>
>as i said prev, i had talked to a leading water researcher, just last week,
>who has been testing with electrodes for cellular hydration..that being in
>and out of the cells..he has been working on clustered water, and other
>types, but the reason for me calling was initially about the 'super ionized
>water' the dm was initially backing..i of course was curious about it's
>legitimacy.
>
>what he told me , was that there was a lot of negotiations between dm and
>the ceo of this turkey water plant that was producing the water..
>due to the control of how and where the water was used, negotiations didn't
>go well..dm put alot of his time/money in trying toget this to work,
>obviously knowing the repercussions of a solid deal with this company.
>due to this control, the 'forces' decided to take away the 'special'
>harmonic additive, and what remains was a water that didn't really perform
>upto the grandere spoken of by dm..so of course this would weaken his
>credibilty, what a wonderful neg. plan...?unfortunate really
>the water was apparently shown at hush hush demos, and there are online
>streamable videos i have seen, demonstrating it's ability to reverse
>polution of all kinds ..which could be fakable...sure...
>
>now when dm said he wouldn't comment on the personal use of it, it was b/c
>he hadn't been instructed to do so yet, by his own forces..
>
>
>>"i was thinking of dm at the sink while washing some dishes and preparing
>>lunch and again feeling angry about how he misled the public with this
>>water that cost so much money."
>
>i personally have never seen any prices that dw has mentioned, what i have
>heard , due to my own inqury in wanting to become a distributer, is a 3oz
>bottle runs for $65 usd..and then is dilluted into 16-20l of water..
>well...sure any one can get scammed now a days, and if in to sts/neg.
>polarity then why not rip somebody off in the name of someone sto/pos.
>polarity.
>
>what happens is like what is happening rt now in this discussion group and
>in dw's mind, and his research is now being hampered b/c of not wanting to
>asscociate himself w the dm and the fol design..
>which to me is the grandest of misfortunes as i repect both works and
>realize the potential in the integration of the two...
>but maybe you can all disaccount me b/c of this dw quote...
>
>"while some go on to embrace his work, my perception is that the majority
>who follow this field are either quite distant or just aloof, and can lump
>the idea of "ascension" in the four-letter word category as a result."
>
>sooo, i guess that means denise and i (and all others who see this
>connection) even though follow and appreciate dw and dm's work we are
still,
>"lumped" together in the "quite distant" and "just aloof" category..
>
>compassion....hmmmm
>
>so now b/c of these sources that have been bombarding dw about, (what is to
>me disinfo) now any and all correlations with the flower of life design are
>not included b/c of the bad vibes that dm has apparently 'assciated himself
>with'./
>
>furtherly...the jesus temptation i understand..
>
>but not all of those peeps that he was intending to feed all have bad karma
> >
>>but maybe i am mistaken, i just think this is a generalization..
>a lot has been lost or distorted in is original teacings..
>i have learnt some cool stuff in hurtak's new book ,"pistis sophia" with
>regard to the original teachings...anyone who really wants to avoid the
>current biblical distortions and arn't trained in massonic decoding 101
>might want to look at this one..let's cont.
>like the water at the scared sites, which is really what clustered water is
>based upon..
>from sources, such as the mayan shamen i met last yr..
>http://www.galacticmaya.com/englisch/tlacotewater.htm
>>
>so his site says that 20% wern't healed for karma reasons..
>to me this means that the 'bread' even if offered would appear like rock to
>those who were karmically held..just a theory...?
>
>another dw qoute
>>
>>"anyway, while my thoughts of dislike for this person ran through my mind,
>>my hand slipped and i shattered a plate."
>
>i did lol, as not at dw but as how these forces operate around us, all
>things come around...
>"when you've gone as far as i have to try to represent the opinions and
>beliefs of the higher forces to the public, the karmic 'stakes' rise much
>higher. that's why i will get really blasted for the slightest deviation
>from the unity path, whether dietary indiscretions or otherwise."
>
>this is a fully interesting as when ever i had slipped from my diet i would
>be struch ten fold..normally, as i do talk a lot about food issues..
>>
>"we need to accept the truth that drunvalo has brought into our lives,
>seeing the positive and the negative as equal expressions of our divine
>natures. "
>>
>>word to that, but even though you say this, i don't know how you say the
>>rest..
>like there is a obvious integration/melding of ego's going on behind the
>curtain.
>which like it or not will effect the outcome of everything..
>so i do this for dw and the compassion i have for him, not to pick at a
>scab,but b/c i see this as being a open wound that needs healing..
>
>"it does stand to reason that if i were more open about this person then
>possibly a larger number of souls would see a much clearer case of how and
>why this ascension event will come to pass, and the science will go that
>much further in convincing the rational mind."
>
>lets look at the end imparticular, w regards to the rational mind...
>what bugs me out is that i just reread the latest reading on the ascension
>site.
>and it seems the forces are saying....
>
>"do this not for yourself but for the others; not for the skeptics, but for
>those who already do believe but have not been able to rectify or clarify
>their
>beliefs with the logical, {here i think there was a missed 'the' to start a
>new sentance}
>'the' scientific mind that feels it must control its existence and define
>and understand the outside world in piecemeal fashion.
>>
>i see why dw is not sure what they are saying here..
>this is a obvious inner battle with the elements of the scientific
consensus
>and dw's concerns with getting the spotlight with his blood sweat and
tears.
>which to me seems to have caused a wee but of 'term oil'....?
>the integration again, but on another 'note', w regards to pleasing the
>rational thinkers that having been egging dw on..."you say bull****"..
>the egging is what has dw, the outcome seems to be a retaliation, which is
>why the forces say, "do this not for yourself..."
>
>with regards to seminars and pricing., the distortion here lyes alot in my
>eyes with those who are acting as facilators, who are capable of
>over-charging for such secrets..thusly disemenating the appearance/motives
>of dm, which could be mis-interpreted as his own doing. denise t/y, big
hug
>for your help as your strength helped me here.
>>
>
>" (no tape there is under about $27.)"
>
>here is a nice example of how you can truely distort the very thing you
>see/believe..and it seems that dw has this emotional charge that is not
>allowing him to see it like it is..
>there are several tapes under $27, the others over are mostly double tapes.
>and from a multimedia bk ground , i know if you ain't pump'n these out like
>hot cakes at your local block buster, they ain't going to be cheep..!
>but i also assume they are of a decent quality..
>i personally only have seen two of the listed videos, and they were ahight.
>for what i paid, and howmany peeps i have showed it too, it is a small
price
>to pay, for inspiration, knowledge...etc
>.
>>last thing..
>what dw is saying about the forces, not making money and doing things for
>free.
>this is great, but keep in mind that dw has to charge $150 for a reading to
>support all the other free goodies....which i fully appreciate..but i do
>hope you see where i am going with all this..
>like denise said , we live in 3rd d, costs gotta come from some where.
>so what might be rt. for dw is not rt. for dm, doesn't this sound like a
>cosmic law being broken..aka, 'imposing thy will on others'
>maybe dm needs money for other projects like the film they are talking
about
>on the www site where a lot of money has been allocated to help this
>project.
>somethings to think about ..
>>
>just trying to illuminate the other side of the fence, and if wasn't for
>denise i wouldn't have had the umph as i am battling a cold that is
around..
>
>in light-love,
>clark
>>
>>
>
>>
>>i guess that in the future i should offer data if requested without making
>>an opinion statement. i also would hope that i can use this example as a
>>way for me to further fine-tune the all-consuming importance of seeing all
>>beings from the unity perspective, as equally divine sparks of the one.
>>even confused entities deserve our compassion, and that goes for any level
>>or any being that we might run into. sure, everybody needs money - but
this
>>much?
>>
>>in closing, let's bless dm, fol and all involved, hoping that something
>>positive is coming out of all this despite the profit-taking. personally i
>>disagree with it, but each must make their free will choice and i will not
>>judge you regardless of how you feel about it, or whether you agree with
my
>>assessments or not. it's up to you to use your own discernment.
>>
>>peace be with you -
>>
>>- david
>>
>> ----- original message -----
>> from: clark stewart
>> to: asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=lnfdrkf3wdjslseadjwg9bpvscvgykbwms_buq unmkolmt4o_jkfgk39tkxleppvxiyshair8q)
>> sent: monday, january 22, 2001 4:09 pm
>> subject: [asc2k] just a qoute
>>
>>
>> just to rectify the vibe that may have off set some of you..
>>
>> "were there no potential for misunderstanding and therefore,
>>understanding,
>> there would be no experience."
>>
>> yes it is a ra qoute that i pulled out of's scott's book, "universal
>> vision"..it came at just the right time, and i sent this to dw just to
>>make
>> sure he got..so be at peace yall, it's for the greater good we have
>>these
>> distortions..
>>
>> in l/l,
>> c
>>
>>
>> >
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Clark stewart

01-23-2001, 11:34 PM

i feel that jer..

and appologize i do come off strong sometimes.
.must be the fire dragon within me...
i realized tonight when i watched a movie , jacky chang's "drunken
master"..that chinese kickboxing has lit a fire in side me that is invoked
from time to time..i am working on the descretion of these
influences..hence, wher fudoshin comes into play.

"a spirit of unshakable calm and determination. it is courage without
recklessness.."

my interpretation of this , you allow your emotion to express it self, but
not control your heart/fate.
via anger, sorrow, yes even love can blind....total awareness...
essentially living in harmony with all aspects/archetypes.
don't believe in singular astrological forces, and what came to me lately in
"pistis sophia" is that jesus released us from this..
meaning, we do have major influences, but not restricted to any which one..
when i think about those who base there character on one
sign/house/arcana..whatever..
it is limiting.
like my buisness partner told me today, he can't do double dates, b/c he
changes his personality around me/others..
cause he's gemini..?
let us be set free of these limitations..

any astrologers out there...

no intentions regarding integration of any material, other then myself..free
will...yes...

"free like fudoshin is a tree with no motion..."
in l/l
fudo

> i can understand where you're coming from clark. there's two bodies
>of
>work that, when combined, could validate each other and serve to strengthen
>the entire movement that we are a part of.
> however, there's just one problem with that:
> david doesn't wanna.
> and david is the only person (besides the forces) that gets to decide
>how his research goes. i'm sure you weren't thinking that you should have
>a
>say in how the research and work at asc2k is performed and the direction it
>should take. i know you don't mean it like that. fudo's good people. but
>i had to have it stated just to make the point concrete.
> however, it's important that david be david and all of us hold our
>beliefs with respect for another's. david not integrating fol teachings is
>not going to ruin his work. to speculate on negative forces involvement
>is... well, speculative. i'm sure they played a role in discrediting dm,
>but that doesn't automatically make dw his redeemer. david's got his own
>work to do.
> just because dw has limited the scope of his data, that in no way
>means
>that you must in your personal search for truth; in fact, you are compelled
>to follow the path that you are led upon. however, you have to respect
>david's own conviction to obey the dictate of his conscience as well.
> i have enjoyed hearing about fol stuff (since it seems to have so much
>to do with meditation, my current study) and will look into it myself at
>some vague future point in time (when anthropology and computer science
>classes and all the stuff i'm reading right now is over... who knows
>when...). in the meantime, i don't think that it's out of place at all for
>you to integrate fol and asc2k teachings into your own personal philosophy
>and to share that philosophy with the list. in fact, i look forward to it.
> just don't expect david to jump on the bandwagon.
> "fudo, keepin it real..."
> l/l
> jeremy
>-----original message-----
>from: clark stewart <fudoshin09@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=vpeb6_kc2mefdwv1h3lq9kneitd_kw0jnnu4o_ g8bm1za-kplt0rifr4cp8xfgpbidthrfaf0ciuauvi5af0)>
>to: asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=cfodgankvc4mk7c-p0yhoitboywnl4stu24derm6retkwd-5chqwkwodfpjqcxgx5myp4yhwplbjmj0q) <asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=cfodgankvc4mk7c-p0yhoitboywnl4stu24derm6retkwd-5chqwkwodfpjqcxgx5myp4yhwplbjmj0q)>
>date: tuesday, january 23, 2001 7:22 pm
>subject: re: [asc2k] final statement on dm / fol
>
>
> >must also complete this discussion , as i can't say this is the last of
>my
> >letters regarding this issue, but denise has given us some incredible
> >insight to the argument at hand..
> >and as willing as dw is to wipe his hands free, we know this isn't
> >resolved, for those of you that don't know let me say a couple things...
> >>
> >"nothing has changed about the truth but i shouldn't indulge in negative
> >emotions when seeing the truth."
> >the "truth" that dw referres to is interesting, b/c i believe that
>everyones
> >truth is relative to there own perspective.
> >
> >before i begin i am going to state my motives for doing this..
> > this is not to create bad vibes at all, i'm not into this, but a lot of
> >major changes in life will be the most painful (i'm also sure that alot
>of
> >the wanderers will see this and the like, karmically speaking)..
> >again i will use a ra's words, did ra not say that wanderers would be a
>high
> >priority target...
> >well what i am seeing is one positive channel vs another, like 2 positive
> >ends of a magnet being forced together..this is the ideal state of what
>the
> >sts entities are working soo hard to accomplish..
> >for i see dm and dw working together directly being a huge beam of light
> >shining forth in the darkest of chasms.
> >
> >so were is dw's bad vibe about dm originated from..?
> >let us take a looksy..
> >"30 different people swamp me with the same huge email, saying that
>within
> >six months to a year he would completely heal the planet with this water,
>et
> >cetera"
> >
> >here we see the toll of 'other' peoples opinion based on the source
>(dm)..
> >i personally believe that the water exsisted, as it is in my mind a
>aspect
> >of 4th d that are planet is allready vibrating at..as ra says again, it
>is
> >our perception that is still clinging to this old system..
> >and even if it exsisted, it wouldn't have been easy to implement, and
>that
> >is where the problem lyes..it is easy to hold a bias from outside/2nd/3rd
> >party sources, but until you get into the political crap that is
>intertwined
> >into this all you see the up hill battle that dm faced..
> >
> >as i said prev, i had talked to a leading water researcher, just last
>week,
> >who has been testing with electrodes for cellular hydration..that being
>in
> >and out of the cells..he has been working on clustered water, and other
> >types, but the reason for me calling was initially about the 'super
>ionized
> >water' the dm was initially backing..i of course was curious about it's
> >legitimacy.
> >
> >what he told me , was that there was a lot of negotiations between dm and
> >the ceo of this turkey water plant that was producing the water..
> >due to the control of how and where the water was used, negotiations
>didn't
> >go well..dm put alot of his time/money in trying toget this to work,
> >obviously knowing the repercussions of a solid deal with this company.
> >due to this control, the 'forces' decided to take away the 'special'
> >harmonic additive, and what remains was a water that didn't really
>perform
> >upto the grandere spoken of by dm..so of course this would weaken his
> >credibilty, what a wonderful neg. plan...?unfortunate really
> >the water was apparently shown at hush hush demos, and there are online
> >streamable videos i have seen, demonstrating it's ability to reverse
> >polution of all kinds ..which could be fakable...sure...
> >
> >now when dm said he wouldn't comment on the personal use of it, it was
>b/c
> >he hadn't been instructed to do so yet, by his own forces..
> >
> >
> >>"i was thinking of dm at the sink while washing some dishes and
>preparing
> >>lunch and again feeling angry about how he misled the public with this
> >>water that cost so much money."
> >
> >i personally have never seen any prices that dw has mentioned, what i
>have
> >heard , due to my own inqury in wanting to become a distributer, is a 3oz
> >bottle runs for $65 usd..and then is dilluted into 16-20l of water..
> >well...sure any one can get scammed now a days, and if in to sts/neg.
> >polarity then why not rip somebody off in the name of someone sto/pos.
> >polarity.
> >
> >what happens is like what is happening rt now in this discussion group
>and
> >in dw's mind, and his research is now being hampered b/c of not wanting
>to
> >asscociate himself w the dm and the fol design..
> >which to me is the grandest of misfortunes as i repect both works and
> >realize the potential in the integration of the two...
> >but maybe you can all disaccount me b/c of this dw quote...
> >
> >"while some go on to embrace his work, my perception is that the majority
> >who follow this field are either quite distant or just aloof, and can
>lump
> >the idea of "ascension" in the four-letter word category as a result."
> >
> >sooo, i guess that means denise and i (and all others who see this
> >connection) even though follow and appreciate dw and dm's work we are
>still,
> >"lumped" together in the "quite distant" and "just aloof" category..
> >
> >compassion....hmmmm
> >
> >so now b/c of these sources that have been bombarding dw about, (what is
>to
> >me disinfo) now any and all correlations with the flower of life design
>are
> >not included b/c of the bad vibes that dm has apparently 'assciated
>himself
> >with'./
> >
> >furtherly...the jesus temptation i understand..
> >
> >but not all of those peeps that he was intending to feed all have bad
>karma
> > >
> >>but maybe i am mistaken, i just think this is a generalization..
> >a lot has been lost or distorted in is original teacings..
> >i have learnt some cool stuff in hurtak's new book ,"pistis sophia" with
> >regard to the original teachings...anyone who really wants to avoid the
> >current biblical distortions and arn't trained in massonic decoding 101
> >might want to look at this one..let's cont.
> >like the water at the scared sites, which is really what clustered water
>is
> >based upon..
> >from sources, such as the mayan shamen i met last yr..
> >http://www.galacticmaya.com/englisch/tlacotewater.htm
> >>
> >so his site says that 20% wern't healed for karma reasons..
> >to me this means that the 'bread' even if offered would appear like rock
>to
> >those who were karmically held..just a theory...?
> >
> >another dw qoute
> >>
> >>"anyway, while my thoughts of dislike for this person ran through my
>mind,
> >>my hand slipped and i shattered a plate."
> >
> >i did lol, as not at dw but as how these forces operate around us, all
> >things come around...
> >"when you've gone as far as i have to try to represent the opinions and
> >beliefs of the higher forces to the public, the karmic 'stakes' rise much
> >higher. that's why i will get really blasted for the slightest deviation
> >from the unity path, whether dietary indiscretions or otherwise."
> >
> >this is a fully interesting as when ever i had slipped from my diet i
>would
> >be struch ten fold..normally, as i do talk a lot about food issues..
> >>
> >"we need to accept the truth that drunvalo has brought into our lives,
> >seeing the positive and the negative as equal expressions of our divine
> >natures. "
> >>
> >>word to that, but even though you say this, i don't know how you say the
> >>rest..
> >like there is a obvious integration/melding of ego's going on behind the
> >curtain.
> >which like it or not will effect the outcome of everything..
> >so i do this for dw and the compassion i have for him, not to pick at a
> >scab,but b/c i see this as being a open wound that needs healing..
> >
> >"it does stand to reason that if i were more open about this person then
> >possibly a larger number of souls would see a much clearer case of how
>and
> >why this ascension event will come to pass, and the science will go that
> >much further in convincing the rational mind."
> >
> >lets look at the end imparticular, w regards to the rational mind...
> >what bugs me out is that i just reread the latest reading on the
>ascension
> >site.
> >and it seems the forces are saying....
> >
> >"do this not for yourself but for the others; not for the skeptics, but
>for
> >those who already do believe but have not been able to rectify or clarify
> >their
> >beliefs with the logical, {here i think there was a missed 'the' to start
>a
> >new sentance}
> >'the' scientific mind that feels it must control its existence and define
> >and understand the outside world in piecemeal fashion.
> >>
> >i see why dw is not sure what they are saying here..
> >this is a obvious inner battle with the elements of the scientific
>consensus
> >and dw's concerns with getting the spotlight with his blood sweat and
>tears.
> >which to me seems to have caused a wee but of 'term oil'....?
> >the integration again, but on another 'note', w regards to pleasing the
> >rational thinkers that having been egging dw on..."you say bull****"..
> >the egging is what has dw, the outcome seems to be a retaliation, which
>is
> >why the forces say, "do this not for yourself..."
> >
> >with regards to seminars and pricing., the distortion here lyes alot in
>my
> >eyes with those who are acting as facilators, who are capable of
> >over-charging for such secrets..thusly disemenating the
>appearance/motives
> >of dm, which could be mis-interpreted as his own doing. denise t/y, big
>hug
> >for your help as your strength helped me here.
> >>
> >
> >" (no tape there is under about $27.)"
> >
> >here is a nice example of how you can truely distort the very thing you
> >see/believe..and it seems that dw has this emotional charge that is not
> >allowing him to see it like it is..
> >there are several tapes under $27, the others over are mostly double
>tapes.
> >and from a multimedia bk ground , i know if you ain't pump'n these out
>like
> >hot cakes at your local block buster, they ain't going to be cheep..!
> >but i also assume they are of a decent quality..
> >i personally only have seen two of the listed videos, and they were
>ahight.
> >for what i paid, and howmany peeps i have showed it too, it is a small
>price
> >to pay, for inspiration, knowledge...etc
> >.
> >>last thing..
> >what dw is saying about the forces, not making money and doing things for
> >free.
> >this is great, but keep in mind that dw has to charge $150 for a reading
>to
> >support all the other free goodies....which i fully appreciate..but i do
> >hope you see where i am going with all this..
> >like denise said , we live in 3rd d, costs gotta come from some where.
> >so what might be rt. for dw is not rt. for dm, doesn't this sound like a
> >cosmic law being broken..aka, 'imposing thy will on others'
> >maybe dm needs money for other projects like the film they are talking
>about
> >on the www site where a lot of money has been allocated to help this
> >project.
> >somethings to think about ..
> >>
> >just trying to illuminate the other side of the fence, and if wasn't for
> >denise i wouldn't have had the umph as i am battling a cold that is
>around..
> >
> >in light-love,
> >clark
> >>
> >>
> >
> >>
> >>i guess that in the future i should offer data if requested without
>making
> >>an opinion statement. i also would hope that i can use this example as a
> >>way for me to further fine-tune the all-consuming importance of seeing
>all
> >>beings from the unity perspective, as equally divine sparks of the one.
> >>even confused entities deserve our compassion, and that goes for any
>level
> >>or any being that we might run into. sure, everybody needs money - but
>this
> >>much?
> >>
> >>in closing, let's bless dm, fol and all involved, hoping that something
> >>positive is coming out of all this despite the profit-taking. personally
>i
> >>disagree with it, but each must make their free will choice and i will
>not
> >>judge you regardless of how you feel about it, or whether you agree with
>my
> >>assessments or not. it's up to you to use your own discernment.
> >>
> >>peace be with you -
> >>
> >>- david
> >>
> >> ----- original message -----
> >> from: clark stewart
> >> to: asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=cfodgankvc4mk7c-p0yhoitboywnl4stu24derm6retkwd-5chqwkwodfpjqcxgx5myp4yhwplbjmj0q)
> >> sent: monday, january 22, 2001 4:09 pm
> >> subject: [asc2k] just a qoute
> >>
> >>
> >> just to rectify the vibe that may have off set some of you..
> >>
> >> "were there no potential for misunderstanding and therefore,
> >>understanding,
> >> there would be no experience."
> >>
> >> yes it is a ra qoute that i pulled out of's scott's book, "universal
> >> vision"..it came at just the right time, and i sent this to dw just
>to
> >>make
> >> sure he got..so be at peace yall, it's for the greater good we have
> >>these
> >> distortions..
> >>
> >> in l/l,
> >> c
> >>
> >>
> >> >
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01-24-2001, 08:40 AM

whoops ..yah, jacky chan....that was a very inspiring movie, if you
like/appreciate the art...
that and crouching tiger hidden dragon..

the fire within keeps thy heart warm, but if too hot (out of control) would
burn thyself..

all is one,
fudo

>from: "jeremy weiland" <jweiland@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=m0ooxplqunrx3u2ufktyteypefx2tjo6hrrknj t7wumorfxcza1mzszvpyyrlvkwnxlq7kvrc2khguywra)>
>reply-to: asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=b0o9kcbtxuqbld4oinlfuuuquchkct-m7e30tj-zmzvkhh0_b7g2yotefryu38e1ywi0fb-dxa6jxw)
>to: <asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=b0o9kcbtxuqbld4oinlfuuuquchkct-m7e30tj-zmzvkhh0_b7g2yotefryu38e1ywi0fb-dxa6jxw)>
>subject: re: [asc2k] final statement on dm / fol
>date: wed, 24 jan 2001 20:09:28 -0500
>
> ahh... jackie chan (right?) is the bomb-diggity. if you have to watch
>a
>movie... hell yeah.
> i'm very pleased with the integration being achieved by the list... i
>think this is healthy for everyone.
> in fact, it's really cool!
> we can handle this type of discussion, and that's cool.
> l/l
> jeremy
>----- original message -----
>from: "clark stewart" <fudoshin09@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=arlys6mswve55h3dfmh6pazvnuvtzxesriy0ux acfkk81taklhzqcajgk4edxuydqidtne8iy6ldt4or8qg)>
>to: <asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=b0o9kcbtxuqbld4oinlfuuuquchkct-m7e30tj-zmzvkhh0_b7g2yotefryu38e1ywi0fb-dxa6jxw)>
>sent: wednesday, january 24, 2001 2:34 am
>subject: re: [asc2k] final statement on dm / fol
>
>
> > i feel that jer..
> >
> > and appologize i do come off strong sometimes.
> > .must be the fire dragon within me...
> > i realized tonight when i watched a movie , jacky chang's "drunken
> > master"..that chinese kickboxing has lit a fire in side me that is
>invoked
> > from time to time..i am working on the descretion of these
> > influences..hence, wher fudoshin comes into play.
> >
> > "a spirit of unshakable calm and determination. it is courage without
> > recklessness.."
> >
> > my interpretation of this , you allow your emotion to express it self,
>but
> > not control your heart/fate.
> > via anger, sorrow, yes even love can blind....total awareness...
> > essentially living in harmony with all aspects/archetypes.
> > don't believe in singular astrological forces, and what came to me
>lately
>in
> > "pistis sophia" is that jesus released us from this..
> > meaning, we do have major influences, but not restricted to any which
>one..
> > when i think about those who base there character on one
> > sign/house/arcana..whatever..
> > it is limiting.
> > like my buisness partner told me today, he can't do double dates, b/c he
> > changes his personality around me/others..
> > cause he's gemini..?
> > let us be set free of these limitations..
> >
> > any astrologers out there...
> >
> > no intentions regarding integration of any material, other then
>myself..free
> > will...yes...
> >
> > "free like fudoshin is a tree with no motion..."
> > in l/l
> > fudo
> >
> > > i can understand where you're coming from clark. there's two
>bodies
> > >of
> > >work that, when combined, could validate each other and serve to
>strengthen
> > >the entire movement that we are a part of.
> > > however, there's just one problem with that:
> > > david doesn't wanna.
> > > and david is the only person (besides the forces) that gets to
>decide
> > >how his research goes. i'm sure you weren't thinking that you should
>have
> > >a
> > >say in how the research and work at asc2k is performed and the
>direction
>it
> > >should take. i know you don't mean it like that. fudo's good people.
>but
> > >i had to have it stated just to make the point concrete.
> > > however, it's important that david be david and all of us hold our
> > >beliefs with respect for another's. david not integrating fol
>teachings
>is
> > >not going to ruin his work. to speculate on negative forces
>involvement
> > >is... well, speculative. i'm sure they played a role in discrediting
>dm,
> > >but that doesn't automatically make dw his redeemer. david's got his
>own
> > >work to do.
> > > just because dw has limited the scope of his data, that in no way
> > >means
> > >that you must in your personal search for truth; in fact, you are
>compelled
> > >to follow the path that you are led upon. however, you have to respect
> > >david's own conviction to obey the dictate of his conscience as well.
> > > i have enjoyed hearing about fol stuff (since it seems to have so
>much
> > >to do with meditation, my current study) and will look into it myself
>at
> > >some vague future point in time (when anthropology and computer science
> > >classes and all the stuff i'm reading right now is over... who knows
> > >when...). in the meantime, i don't think that it's out of place at all
>for
> > >you to integrate fol and asc2k teachings into your own personal
>philosophy
> > >and to share that philosophy with the list. in fact, i look forward to
>it.
> > > just don't expect david to jump on the bandwagon.
> > > "fudo, keepin it real..."
> > > l/l
> > > jeremy
> > >-----original message-----
> > >from: clark stewart <fudoshin09@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=arlys6mswve55h3dfmh6pazvnuvtzxesriy0ux acfkk81taklhzqcajgk4edxuydqidtne8iy6ldt4or8qg)>
> > >to: asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=b0o9kcbtxuqbld4oinlfuuuquchkct-m7e30tj-zmzvkhh0_b7g2yotefryu38e1ywi0fb-dxa6jxw) <asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=b0o9kcbtxuqbld4oinlfuuuquchkct-m7e30tj-zmzvkhh0_b7g2yotefryu38e1ywi0fb-dxa6jxw)>
> > >date: tuesday, january 23, 2001 7:22 pm
> > >subject: re: [asc2k] final statement on dm / fol
> > >
> > >
> > > >must also complete this discussion , as i can't say this is the last
>of
> > >my
> > > >letters regarding this issue, but denise has given us some incredible
> > > >insight to the argument at hand..
> > > >and as willing as dw is to wipe his hands free, we know this isn't
> > > >resolved, for those of you that don't know let me say a couple
>things...
> > > >>
> > > >"nothing has changed about the truth but i shouldn't indulge in
>negative
> > > >emotions when seeing the truth."
> > > >the "truth" that dw referres to is interesting, b/c i believe that
> > >everyones
> > > >truth is relative to there own perspective.
> > > >
> > > >before i begin i am going to state my motives for doing this..
> > > > this is not to create bad vibes at all, i'm not into this, but a
>lot
>of
> > > >major changes in life will be the most painful (i'm also sure that
>alot
> > >of
> > > >the wanderers will see this and the like, karmically speaking)..
> > > >again i will use a ra's words, did ra not say that wanderers would be
>a
> > >high
> > > >priority target...
> > > >well what i am seeing is one positive channel vs another, like 2
>positive
> > > >ends of a magnet being forced together..this is the ideal state of
>what
> > >the
> > > >sts entities are working soo hard to accomplish..
> > > >for i see dm and dw working together directly being a huge beam of
>light
> > > >shining forth in the darkest of chasms.
> > > >
> > > >so were is dw's bad vibe about dm originated from..?
> > > >let us take a looksy..
> > > >"30 different people swamp me with the same huge email, saying that
> > >within
> > > >six months to a year he would completely heal the planet with this
>water,
> > >et
> > > >cetera"
> > > >
> > > >here we see the toll of 'other' peoples opinion based on the source
> > >(dm)..
> > > >i personally believe that the water exsisted, as it is in my mind a
> > >aspect
> > > >of 4th d that are planet is allready vibrating at..as ra says again,
>it
> > >is
> > > >our perception that is still clinging to this old system..
> > > >and even if it exsisted, it wouldn't have been easy to implement, and
> > >that
> > > >is where the problem lyes..it is easy to hold a bias from
>outside/2nd/3rd
> > > >party sources, but until you get into the political crap that is
> > >intertwined
> > > >into this all you see the up hill battle that dm faced..
> > > >
> > > >as i said prev, i had talked to a leading water researcher, just last
> > >week,
> > > >who has been testing with electrodes for cellular hydration..that
>being
> > >in
> > > >and out of the cells..he has been working on clustered water, and
>other
> > > >types, but the reason for me calling was initially about the 'super
> > >ionized
> > > >water' the dm was initially backing..i of course was curious about
>it's
> > > >legitimacy.
> > > >
> > > >what he told me , was that there was a lot of negotiations between dm
>and
> > > >the ceo of this turkey water plant that was producing the water..
> > > >due to the control of how and where the water was used, negotiations
> > >didn't
> > > >go well..dm put alot of his time/money in trying toget this to work,
> > > >obviously knowing the repercussions of a solid deal with this
>company.
> > > >due to this control, the 'forces' decided to take away the 'special'
> > > >harmonic additive, and what remains was a water that didn't really
> > >perform
> > > >upto the grandere spoken of by dm..so of course this would weaken his
> > > >credibilty, what a wonderful neg. plan...?unfortunate really
> > > >the water was apparently shown at hush hush demos, and there are
>online
> > > >streamable videos i have seen, demonstrating it's ability to reverse
> > > >polution of all kinds ..which could be fakable...sure...
> > > >
> > > >now when dm said he wouldn't comment on the personal use of it, it
>was
> > >b/c
> > > >he hadn't been instructed to do so yet, by his own forces..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>"i was thinking of dm at the sink while washing some dishes and
> > >preparing
> > > >>lunch and again feeling angry about how he misled the public with
>this
> > > >>water that cost so much money."
> > > >
> > > >i personally have never seen any prices that dw has mentioned, what i
> > >have
> > > >heard , due to my own inqury in wanting to become a distributer, is a
>3oz
> > > >bottle runs for $65 usd..and then is dilluted into 16-20l of water..
> > > >well...sure any one can get scammed now a days, and if in to sts/neg.
> > > >polarity then why not rip somebody off in the name of someone
>sto/pos.
> > > >polarity.
> > > >
> > > >what happens is like what is happening rt now in this discussion
>group
> > >and
> > > >in dw's mind, and his research is now being hampered b/c of not
>wanting
> > >to
> > > >asscociate himself w the dm and the fol design..
> > > >which to me is the grandest of misfortunes as i repect both works and
> > > >realize the potential in the integration of the two...
> > > >but maybe you can all disaccount me b/c of this dw quote...
> > > >
> > > >"while some go on to embrace his work, my perception is that the
>majority
> > > >who follow this field are either quite distant or just aloof, and can
> > >lump
> > > >the idea of "ascension" in the four-letter word category as a
>result."
> > > >
> > > >sooo, i guess that means denise and i (and all others who see this
> > > >connection) even though follow and appreciate dw and dm's work we are
> > >still,
> > > >"lumped" together in the "quite distant" and "just aloof" category..
> > > >
> > > >compassion....hmmmm
> > > >
> > > >so now b/c of these sources that have been bombarding dw about, (what
>is
> > >to
> > > >me disinfo) now any and all correlations with the flower of life
>design
> > >are
> > > >not included b/c of the bad vibes that dm has apparently 'assciated
> > >himself
> > > >with'./
> > > >
> > > >furtherly...the jesus temptation i understand..
> > > >
> > > >but not all of those peeps that he was intending to feed all have bad
> > >karma
> > > > >
> > > >>but maybe i am mistaken, i just think this is a generalization..
> > > >a lot has been lost or distorted in is original teacings..
> > > >i have learnt some cool stuff in hurtak's new book ,"pistis sophia"
>with
> > > >regard to the original teachings...anyone who really wants to avoid
>the
> > > >current biblical distortions and arn't trained in massonic decoding
>101
> > > >might want to look at this one..let's cont.
> > > >like the water at the scared sites, which is really what clustered
>water
> > >is
> > > >based upon..
> > > >from sources, such as the mayan shamen i met last yr..
> > > >http://www.galacticmaya.com/englisch/tlacotewater.htm
> > > >>
> > > >so his site says that 20% wern't healed for karma reasons..
> > > >to me this means that the 'bread' even if offered would appear like
>rock
> > >to
> > > >those who were karmically held..just a theory...?
> > > >
> > > >another dw qoute
> > > >>
> > > >>"anyway, while my thoughts of dislike for this person ran through my
> > >mind,
> > > >>my hand slipped and i shattered a plate."
> > > >
> > > >i did lol, as not at dw but as how these forces operate around us,
>all
> > > >things come around...
> > > >"when you've gone as far as i have to try to represent the opinions
>and
> > > >beliefs of the higher forces to the public, the karmic 'stakes' rise
>much
> > > >higher. that's why i will get really blasted for the slightest
>deviation
> > > >from the unity path, whether dietary indiscretions or otherwise."
> > > >
> > > >this is a fully interesting as when ever i had slipped from my diet i
> > >would
> > > >be struch ten fold..normally, as i do talk a lot about food issues..
> > > >>
> > > >"we need to accept the truth that drunvalo has brought into our
>lives,
> > > >seeing the positive and the negative as equal expressions of our
>divine
> > > >natures. "
> > > >>
> > > >>word to that, but even though you say this, i don't know how you say
>the
> > > >>rest..
> > > >like there is a obvious integration/melding of ego's going on behind
>the
> > > >curtain.
> > > >which like it or not will effect the outcome of everything..
> > > >so i do this for dw and the compassion i have for him, not to pick at
>a
> > > >scab,but b/c i see this as being a open wound that needs healing..
> > > >
> > > >"it does stand to reason that if i were more open about this person
>then
> > > >possibly a larger number of souls would see a much clearer case of
>how
> > >and
> > > >why this ascension event will come to pass, and the science will go
>that
> > > >much further in convincing the rational mind."
> > > >
> > > >lets look at the end imparticular, w regards to the rational mind...
> > > >what bugs me out is that i just reread the latest reading on the
> > >ascension
> > > >site.
> > > >and it seems the forces are saying....
> > > >
> > > >"do this not for yourself but for the others; not for the skeptics,
>but
> > >for
> > > >those who already do believe but have not been able to rectify or
>clarify
> > > >their
> > > >beliefs with the logical, {here i think there was a missed 'the' to
>start
> > >a
> > > >new sentance}
> > > >'the' scientific mind that feels it must control its existence and
>define
> > > >and understand the outside world in piecemeal fashion.
> > > >>
> > > >i see why dw is not sure what they are saying here..
> > > >this is a obvious inner battle with the elements of the scientific
> > >consensus
> > > >and dw's concerns with getting the spotlight with his blood sweat and
> > >tears.
> > > >which to me seems to have caused a wee but of 'term oil'....?
> > > >the integration again, but on another 'note', w regards to pleasing
>the
> > > >rational thinkers that having been egging dw on..."you say
>bull****"..
> > > >the egging is what has dw, the outcome seems to be a retaliation,
>which
> > >is
> > > >why the forces say, "do this not for yourself..."
> > > >
> > > >with regards to seminars and pricing., the distortion here lyes alot
>in
> > >my
> > > >eyes with those who are acting as facilators, who are capable of
> > > >over-charging for such secrets..thusly disemenating the
> > >appearance/motives
> > > >of dm, which could be mis-interpreted as his own doing. denise t/y,
>big
> > >hug
> > > >for your help as your strength helped me here.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >" (no tape there is under about $27.)"
> > > >
> > > >here is a nice example of how you can truely distort the very thing
>you
> > > >see/believe..and it seems that dw has this emotional charge that is
>not
> > > >allowing him to see it like it is..
> > > >there are several tapes under $27, the others over are mostly double
> > >tapes.
> > > >and from a multimedia bk ground , i know if you ain't pump'n these
>out
> > >like
> > > >hot cakes at your local block buster, they ain't going to be cheep..!
> > > >but i also assume they are of a decent quality..
> > > >i personally only have seen two of the listed videos, and they were
> > >ahight.
> > > >for what i paid, and howmany peeps i have showed it too, it is a
>small
> > >price
> > > >to pay, for inspiration, knowledge...etc
> > > >.
> > > >>last thing..
> > > >what dw is saying about the forces, not making money and doing things
>for
> > > >free.
> > > >this is great, but keep in mind that dw has to charge $150 for a
>reading
> > >to
> > > >support all the other free goodies....which i fully appreciate..but i
>do
> > > >hope you see where i am going with all this..
> > > >like denise said , we live in 3rd d, costs gotta come from some
>where.
> > > >so what might be rt. for dw is not rt. for dm, doesn't this sound
>like
>a
> > > >cosmic law being broken..aka, 'imposing thy will on others'
> > > >maybe dm needs money for other projects like the film they are
>talking
> > >about
> > > >on the www site where a lot of money has been allocated to help this
> > > >project.
> > > >somethings to think about ..
> > > >>
> > > >just trying to illuminate the other side of the fence, and if wasn't
>for
> > > >denise i wouldn't have had the umph as i am battling a cold that is
> > >around..
> > > >
> > > >in light-love,
> > > >clark
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>i guess that in the future i should offer data if requested without
> > >making
> > > >>an opinion statement. i also would hope that i can use this example
>as
>a
> > > >>way for me to further fine-tune the all-consuming importance of
>seeing
> > >all
> > > >>beings from the unity perspective, as equally divine sparks of the
>one.
> > > >>even confused entities deserve our compassion, and that goes for any
> > >level
> > > >>or any being that we might run into. sure, everybody needs money -
>but
> > >this
> > > >>much?
> > > >>
> > > >>in closing, let's bless dm, fol and all involved, hoping that
>something
> > > >>positive is coming out of all this despite the profit-taking.
>personally
> > >i
> > > >>disagree with it, but each must make their free will choice and i
>will
> > >not
> > > >>judge you regardless of how you feel about it, or whether you agree
>with
> > >my
> > > >>assessments or not. it's up to you to use your own discernment.
> > > >>
> > > >>peace be with you -
> > > >>
> > > >>- david
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- original message -----
> > > >> from: clark stewart
> > > >> to: asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=b0o9kcbtxuqbld4oinlfuuuquchkct-m7e30tj-zmzvkhh0_b7g2yotefryu38e1ywi0fb-dxa6jxw)
> > > >> sent: monday, january 22, 2001 4:09 pm
> > > >> subject: [asc2k] just a qoute
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> just to rectify the vibe that may have off set some of you..
> > > >>
> > > >> "were there no potential for misunderstanding and therefore,
> > > >>understanding,
> > > >> there would be no experience."
> > > >>
> > > >> yes it is a ra qoute that i pulled out of's scott's book,
>"universal
> > > >> vision"..it came at just the right time, and i sent this to dw
>just
> > >to
> > > >>make
> > > >> sure he got..so be at peace yall, it's for the greater good we
>have
> > > >>these
> > > >> distortions..
> > > >>
> > > >> in l/l,
> > > >> c
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > >
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Jeremy Weiland

01-24-2001, 05:09 PM

ahh... jackie chan (right?) is the bomb-diggity. if you have to watch a
movie... hell yeah.
i'm very pleased with the integration being achieved by the list... i
think this is healthy for everyone.
in fact, it's really cool!
we can handle this type of discussion, and that's cool.
l/l
jeremy
----- original message -----
from: "clark stewart" <fudoshin09@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=razyhdtpz2axnalupigf_8ph_9mieb3blisray 52yeqtrbrnsybs6sdgqmaevzhbikexoshjfhu9jj8wvw)>
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sent: wednesday, january 24, 2001 2:34 am
subject: re: [asc2k] final statement on dm / fol

> i feel that jer..
>
> and appologize i do come off strong sometimes.
> .must be the fire dragon within me...
> i realized tonight when i watched a movie , jacky chang's "drunken
> master"..that chinese kickboxing has lit a fire in side me that is invoked
> from time to time..i am working on the descretion of these
> influences..hence, wher fudoshin comes into play.
>
> "a spirit of unshakable calm and determination. it is courage without
> recklessness.."
>
> my interpretation of this , you allow your emotion to express it self, but
> not control your heart/fate.
> via anger, sorrow, yes even love can blind....total awareness...
> essentially living in harmony with all aspects/archetypes.
> don't believe in singular astrological forces, and what came to me lately
in
> "pistis sophia" is that jesus released us from this..
> meaning, we do have major influences, but not restricted to any which
one..
> when i think about those who base there character on one
> sign/house/arcana..whatever..
> it is limiting.
> like my buisness partner told me today, he can't do double dates, b/c he
> changes his personality around me/others..
> cause he's gemini..?
> let us be set free of these limitations..
>
> any astrologers out there...
>
> no intentions regarding integration of any material, other then
myself..free
> will...yes...
>
> "free like fudoshin is a tree with no motion..."
> in l/l
> fudo
>
> > i can understand where you're coming from clark. there's two bodies
> >of
> >work that, when combined, could validate each other and serve to
strengthen
> >the entire movement that we are a part of.
> > however, there's just one problem with that:
> > david doesn't wanna.
> > and david is the only person (besides the forces) that gets to
decide
> >how his research goes. i'm sure you weren't thinking that you should
have
> >a
> >say in how the research and work at asc2k is performed and the direction
it
> >should take. i know you don't mean it like that. fudo's good people.
but
> >i had to have it stated just to make the point concrete.
> > however, it's important that david be david and all of us hold our
> >beliefs with respect for another's. david not integrating fol teachings
is
> >not going to ruin his work. to speculate on negative forces involvement
> >is... well, speculative. i'm sure they played a role in discrediting dm,
> >but that doesn't automatically make dw his redeemer. david's got his own
> >work to do.
> > just because dw has limited the scope of his data, that in no way
> >means
> >that you must in your personal search for truth; in fact, you are
compelled
> >to follow the path that you are led upon. however, you have to respect
> >david's own conviction to obey the dictate of his conscience as well.
> > i have enjoyed hearing about fol stuff (since it seems to have so
much
> >to do with meditation, my current study) and will look into it myself at
> >some vague future point in time (when anthropology and computer science
> >classes and all the stuff i'm reading right now is over... who knows
> >when...). in the meantime, i don't think that it's out of place at all
for
> >you to integrate fol and asc2k teachings into your own personal
philosophy
> >and to share that philosophy with the list. in fact, i look forward to
it.
> > just don't expect david to jump on the bandwagon.
> > "fudo, keepin it real..."
> > l/l
> > jeremy
> >-----original message-----
> >from: clark stewart <fudoshin09@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=razyhdtpz2axnalupigf_8ph_9mieb3blisray 52yeqtrbrnsybs6sdgqmaevzhbikexoshjfhu9jj8wvw)>
> >to: asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=ju1fo9z8dalpf4ankobygtw4pxl7a3zzst-g829ihpz04x9jgfvasyyqiwv-rjm4y75rvdectxoa_a) <asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=ju1fo9z8dalpf4ankobygtw4pxl7a3zzst-g829ihpz04x9jgfvasyyqiwv-rjm4y75rvdectxoa_a)>
> >date: tuesday, january 23, 2001 7:22 pm
> >subject: re: [asc2k] final statement on dm / fol
> >
> >
> > >must also complete this discussion , as i can't say this is the last of
> >my
> > >letters regarding this issue, but denise has given us some incredible
> > >insight to the argument at hand..
> > >and as willing as dw is to wipe his hands free, we know this isn't
> > >resolved, for those of you that don't know let me say a couple
things...
> > >>
> > >"nothing has changed about the truth but i shouldn't indulge in
negative
> > >emotions when seeing the truth."
> > >the "truth" that dw referres to is interesting, b/c i believe that
> >everyones
> > >truth is relative to there own perspective.
> > >
> > >before i begin i am going to state my motives for doing this..
> > > this is not to create bad vibes at all, i'm not into this, but a lot
of
> > >major changes in life will be the most painful (i'm also sure that alot
> >of
> > >the wanderers will see this and the like, karmically speaking)..
> > >again i will use a ra's words, did ra not say that wanderers would be a
> >high
> > >priority target...
> > >well what i am seeing is one positive channel vs another, like 2
positive
> > >ends of a magnet being forced together..this is the ideal state of what
> >the
> > >sts entities are working soo hard to accomplish..
> > >for i see dm and dw working together directly being a huge beam of
light
> > >shining forth in the darkest of chasms.
> > >
> > >so were is dw's bad vibe about dm originated from..?
> > >let us take a looksy..
> > >"30 different people swamp me with the same huge email, saying that
> >within
> > >six months to a year he would completely heal the planet with this
water,
> >et
> > >cetera"
> > >
> > >here we see the toll of 'other' peoples opinion based on the source
> >(dm)..
> > >i personally believe that the water exsisted, as it is in my mind a
> >aspect
> > >of 4th d that are planet is allready vibrating at..as ra says again, it
> >is
> > >our perception that is still clinging to this old system..
> > >and even if it exsisted, it wouldn't have been easy to implement, and
> >that
> > >is where the problem lyes..it is easy to hold a bias from
outside/2nd/3rd
> > >party sources, but until you get into the political crap that is
> >intertwined
> > >into this all you see the up hill battle that dm faced..
> > >
> > >as i said prev, i had talked to a leading water researcher, just last
> >week,
> > >who has been testing with electrodes for cellular hydration..that being
> >in
> > >and out of the cells..he has been working on clustered water, and other
> > >types, but the reason for me calling was initially about the 'super
> >ionized
> > >water' the dm was initially backing..i of course was curious about it's
> > >legitimacy.
> > >
> > >what he told me , was that there was a lot of negotiations between dm
and
> > >the ceo of this turkey water plant that was producing the water..
> > >due to the control of how and where the water was used, negotiations
> >didn't
> > >go well..dm put alot of his time/money in trying toget this to work,
> > >obviously knowing the repercussions of a solid deal with this company.
> > >due to this control, the 'forces' decided to take away the 'special'
> > >harmonic additive, and what remains was a water that didn't really
> >perform
> > >upto the grandere spoken of by dm..so of course this would weaken his
> > >credibilty, what a wonderful neg. plan...?unfortunate really
> > >the water was apparently shown at hush hush demos, and there are online
> > >streamable videos i have seen, demonstrating it's ability to reverse
> > >polution of all kinds ..which could be fakable...sure...
> > >
> > >now when dm said he wouldn't comment on the personal use of it, it was
> >b/c
> > >he hadn't been instructed to do so yet, by his own forces..
> > >
> > >
> > >>"i was thinking of dm at the sink while washing some dishes and
> >preparing
> > >>lunch and again feeling angry about how he misled the public with this
> > >>water that cost so much money."
> > >
> > >i personally have never seen any prices that dw has mentioned, what i
> >have
> > >heard , due to my own inqury in wanting to become a distributer, is a
3oz
> > >bottle runs for $65 usd..and then is dilluted into 16-20l of water..
> > >well...sure any one can get scammed now a days, and if in to sts/neg.
> > >polarity then why not rip somebody off in the name of someone sto/pos.
> > >polarity.
> > >
> > >what happens is like what is happening rt now in this discussion group
> >and
> > >in dw's mind, and his research is now being hampered b/c of not wanting
> >to
> > >asscociate himself w the dm and the fol design..
> > >which to me is the grandest of misfortunes as i repect both works and
> > >realize the potential in the integration of the two...
> > >but maybe you can all disaccount me b/c of this dw quote...
> > >
> > >"while some go on to embrace his work, my perception is that the
majority
> > >who follow this field are either quite distant or just aloof, and can
> >lump
> > >the idea of "ascension" in the four-letter word category as a result."
> > >
> > >sooo, i guess that means denise and i (and all others who see this
> > >connection) even though follow and appreciate dw and dm's work we are
> >still,
> > >"lumped" together in the "quite distant" and "just aloof" category..
> > >
> > >compassion....hmmmm
> > >
> > >so now b/c of these sources that have been bombarding dw about, (what
is
> >to
> > >me disinfo) now any and all correlations with the flower of life design
> >are
> > >not included b/c of the bad vibes that dm has apparently 'assciated
> >himself
> > >with'./
> > >
> > >furtherly...the jesus temptation i understand..
> > >
> > >but not all of those peeps that he was intending to feed all have bad
> >karma
> > > >
> > >>but maybe i am mistaken, i just think this is a generalization..
> > >a lot has been lost or distorted in is original teacings..
> > >i have learnt some cool stuff in hurtak's new book ,"pistis sophia"
with
> > >regard to the original teachings...anyone who really wants to avoid the
> > >current biblical distortions and arn't trained in massonic decoding 101
> > >might want to look at this one..let's cont.
> > >like the water at the scared sites, which is really what clustered
water
> >is
> > >based upon..
> > >from sources, such as the mayan shamen i met last yr..
> > >http://www.galacticmaya.com/englisch/tlacotewater.htm
> > >>
> > >so his site says that 20% wern't healed for karma reasons..
> > >to me this means that the 'bread' even if offered would appear like
rock
> >to
> > >those who were karmically held..just a theory...?
> > >
> > >another dw qoute
> > >>
> > >>"anyway, while my thoughts of dislike for this person ran through my
> >mind,
> > >>my hand slipped and i shattered a plate."
> > >
> > >i did lol, as not at dw but as how these forces operate around us, all
> > >things come around...
> > >"when you've gone as far as i have to try to represent the opinions and
> > >beliefs of the higher forces to the public, the karmic 'stakes' rise
much
> > >higher. that's why i will get really blasted for the slightest
deviation
> > >from the unity path, whether dietary indiscretions or otherwise."
> > >
> > >this is a fully interesting as when ever i had slipped from my diet i
> >would
> > >be struch ten fold..normally, as i do talk a lot about food issues..
> > >>
> > >"we need to accept the truth that drunvalo has brought into our lives,
> > >seeing the positive and the negative as equal expressions of our divine
> > >natures. "
> > >>
> > >>word to that, but even though you say this, i don't know how you say
the
> > >>rest..
> > >like there is a obvious integration/melding of ego's going on behind
the
> > >curtain.
> > >which like it or not will effect the outcome of everything..
> > >so i do this for dw and the compassion i have for him, not to pick at a
> > >scab,but b/c i see this as being a open wound that needs healing..
> > >
> > >"it does stand to reason that if i were more open about this person
then
> > >possibly a larger number of souls would see a much clearer case of how
> >and
> > >why this ascension event will come to pass, and the science will go
that
> > >much further in convincing the rational mind."
> > >
> > >lets look at the end imparticular, w regards to the rational mind...
> > >what bugs me out is that i just reread the latest reading on the
> >ascension
> > >site.
> > >and it seems the forces are saying....
> > >
> > >"do this not for yourself but for the others; not for the skeptics, but
> >for
> > >those who already do believe but have not been able to rectify or
clarify
> > >their
> > >beliefs with the logical, {here i think there was a missed 'the' to
start
> >a
> > >new sentance}
> > >'the' scientific mind that feels it must control its existence and
define
> > >and understand the outside world in piecemeal fashion.
> > >>
> > >i see why dw is not sure what they are saying here..
> > >this is a obvious inner battle with the elements of the scientific
> >consensus
> > >and dw's concerns with getting the spotlight with his blood sweat and
> >tears.
> > >which to me seems to have caused a wee but of 'term oil'....?
> > >the integration again, but on another 'note', w regards to pleasing the
> > >rational thinkers that having been egging dw on..."you say bull****"..
> > >the egging is what has dw, the outcome seems to be a retaliation,
which
> >is
> > >why the forces say, "do this not for yourself..."
> > >
> > >with regards to seminars and pricing., the distortion here lyes alot in
> >my
> > >eyes with those who are acting as facilators, who are capable of
> > >over-charging for such secrets..thusly disemenating the
> >appearance/motives
> > >of dm, which could be mis-interpreted as his own doing. denise t/y,
big
> >hug
> > >for your help as your strength helped me here.
> > >>
> > >
> > >" (no tape there is under about $27.)"
> > >
> > >here is a nice example of how you can truely distort the very thing you
> > >see/believe..and it seems that dw has this emotional charge that is not
> > >allowing him to see it like it is..
> > >there are several tapes under $27, the others over are mostly double
> >tapes.
> > >and from a multimedia bk ground , i know if you ain't pump'n these out
> >like
> > >hot cakes at your local block buster, they ain't going to be cheep..!
> > >but i also assume they are of a decent quality..
> > >i personally only have seen two of the listed videos, and they were
> >ahight.
> > >for what i paid, and howmany peeps i have showed it too, it is a small
> >price
> > >to pay, for inspiration, knowledge...etc
> > >.
> > >>last thing..
> > >what dw is saying about the forces, not making money and doing things
for
> > >free.
> > >this is great, but keep in mind that dw has to charge $150 for a
reading
> >to
> > >support all the other free goodies....which i fully appreciate..but i
do
> > >hope you see where i am going with all this..
> > >like denise said , we live in 3rd d, costs gotta come from some where.
> > >so what might be rt. for dw is not rt. for dm, doesn't this sound like
a
> > >cosmic law being broken..aka, 'imposing thy will on others'
> > >maybe dm needs money for other projects like the film they are talking
> >about
> > >on the www site where a lot of money has been allocated to help this
> > >project.
> > >somethings to think about ..
> > >>
> > >just trying to illuminate the other side of the fence, and if wasn't
for
> > >denise i wouldn't have had the umph as i am battling a cold that is
> >around..
> > >
> > >in light-love,
> > >clark
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >>
> > >>i guess that in the future i should offer data if requested without
> >making
> > >>an opinion statement. i also would hope that i can use this example as
a
> > >>way for me to further fine-tune the all-consuming importance of seeing
> >all
> > >>beings from the unity perspective, as equally divine sparks of the
one.
> > >>even confused entities deserve our compassion, and that goes for any
> >level
> > >>or any being that we might run into. sure, everybody needs money - but
> >this
> > >>much?
> > >>
> > >>in closing, let's bless dm, fol and all involved, hoping that
something
> > >>positive is coming out of all this despite the profit-taking.
personally
> >i
> > >>disagree with it, but each must make their free will choice and i will
> >not
> > >>judge you regardless of how you feel about it, or whether you agree
with
> >my
> > >>assessments or not. it's up to you to use your own discernment.
> > >>
> > >>peace be with you -
> > >>
> > >>- david
> > >>
> > >> ----- original message -----
> > >> from: clark stewart
> > >> to: asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=ju1fo9z8dalpf4ankobygtw4pxl7a3zzst-g829ihpz04x9jgfvasyyqiwv-rjm4y75rvdectxoa_a)
> > >> sent: monday, january 22, 2001 4:09 pm
> > >> subject: [asc2k] just a qoute
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> just to rectify the vibe that may have off set some of you..
> > >>
> > >> "were there no potential for misunderstanding and therefore,
> > >>understanding,
> > >> there would be no experience."
> > >>
> > >> yes it is a ra qoute that i pulled out of's scott's book,
"universal
> > >> vision"..it came at just the right time, and i sent this to dw just
> >to
> > >>make
> > >> sure he got..so be at peace yall, it's for the greater good we have
> > >>these
> > >> distortions..
> > >>
> > >> in l/l,
> > >> c
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> >
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