Do Wanderers have Roles?

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

hello everyone!:)

i just bought the book from carla & jim "a wanderer's handbook" ( i'm up to session 67 in the loo series and just started reading the convergence books ) it's almost a full time job:d , anyway, just wondering if anyone would be willing to share some insight as to any role or obvious contributions a wanderer might steer towards.

and mabe some info about their being two waves, the first paving the way for the second, more sensitive group. anyone have a take on that?

for anyone not familiar with l/l research, here's a link where you will find loo books ect........http://www.llresearch.org/


sylvain



through the brothers and sisters of sorrow, may the light shine !!!

[AmelieJolie]

i would have thought that there are an infinite number of roles/ ways that a wanderer or enlightened being can use to help uplift others.

[twva]

i just bought the book from carla & jim "a wanderer's handbook" ( i'm up to session 67 in the loo series and just started reading the convergence books ) it's almost a full time job:d , anyway, just wondering if anyone would be willing to share some insight as to any role or obvious contributions a wanderer might steer towards.


hi sylvain,

in session 65 ra said that wanderers have three roles:
acting as a beacon or shepherd
doubling planetary love and light
a unique role specific to that wanderer
you may, at this time, note that as with any entities, each wanderer has its unique abilities, biases, and specialities so that from each portion of each density represented among the wanderers come an array of pre-incarnative talents which then may be expressed upon this plane which you now experience so that each wanderer, in offering itself before incarnation, has some special service to offer in addition to the doubling effect of planetary love and light and the basic function of serving as beacon or shepherd.

thus there are those of fifth-density whose abilities to express wisdom are great. there are fourth and sixth-density wanderers whose ability to serve as, shall we say, passive radiators or broadcasters of love and love/light are immense. there are many others whose talents brought into this density are quite varied.

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

how about group roles, do we now have a moral obligation to congregate, share and dissipate the love/light?

can we talk about some of these roles? maybe come up with a top 5 or 10 list.

maybe ways to build, maintain and protect a +3d/+4d social memory complex that stretches to eternity? or simply acknowledge and join an existing one? any ideas?


sylvain



through the brothers and sisters of sorrow, may the light shine !!!

[butterfriends]

hi sylvain

my thoughts are that the only role you can really have is to be yourself as much as you possibly can - that in itself can be tricky!

by that i mean being aware of who you are, being in tune with your higher self / intuition, walking through life with your eyes, heart and your ears open and simply being aware of the flow of life around you and how you enhance the world by your very being :)

i think that many of the problems encountered by wanderers have their root in their 'difference' from the norm, perhaps in their paths jarring with societal expectations. coming into an awareness of your identity as a wanderer can leave people breathing a sigh of relief and the feeling of a weight suddenly being lifted from their shoulders.

i think that gaining a fuller understanding of who you are, penetrating the veil, you cannot help but move closer to living the role you have chosen for yourself.
lorna

[Kris]

by that i mean being aware of who you are, being in tune with your higher self / intuition, walking through life with your eyes, heart and your ears open and simply being aware of the flow of life around you and how you enhance the world by your very being :)

lorna

very good advice to everyone on this plant right now, ;)

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

thanks everyone, those are beautiful sentiments !!:)

i'm up to session 74 now and i just come accross a quote from ra:


the heart of the discipline of the personality is threefold. one, know yourself. two, accept your self. three, become the creator.

the third step is that step which, when accomplished, renders one the most humble servant of all, transparent in personality and completely able to know and accept other-selves.

the next paragraphs in the loo describe a "potential of alerting a great mass of light strength"

could this potential be harnessed by a group? and could this group learn to focus a mass healing of some sort? or at least give the world a boost?


sylvain



through the brothers and sisters of sorrow, may the light shine !!!

[transiten]

hi butterfriends

an interpretation i can highly identify with! thanks. i'm off to "paradisland" with my dog; sun is shining, -5, some powdersnow and i'm going to rest in the arms of mother nature slowly realizing that in one way i'm separating even more from some pple since i came in contact with this web-site, but coming closer to others...difficult but necessary.

liliane

[twva]

the next paragraphs in the loo describe a "potential of alerting a great mass of light strength"

could this potential be harnessed by a group? and could this group learn to focus a mass healing of some sort? or at least give the world a boost?

yes. as you suggest, it's part of white magical work.

[soup]

i think i met a wanderer a couple months ago - it was remarkable. these people seem relatively uncommon and yet as profound how they can emit beyond casual appearance. i feel so blessed by that encounter - life changing, as if i hit a turningpoint in life toward the better of sorts.


soup

[Magical_Mongoose]

i had an extremely moving and powerful dream a couple of years ago that indicates i'm a shepherd. specifically, helping people walk away from false shepherds to realize the divinity, beauty and mystery that permeates our true existance, and helping people to feel that and to know that such forces cannot be solely contained within one person, thing, idea or belief.
the idea of the specific mission thing is a dangerous notion, as messiah-like notions of being the "chosen one" are typical methodologies of manipulation among sts groups in their interactions with wanderers. yet it doesn't discount the reality that all of us are here for an important mission, however "crucial" or periphery the carrying out of such goals may be doesn't matter whatsoever. it all counts and all matters.
i've realized though that i have to tone myself down and to focus my communicational energies in a more balanced and disciplined matter because i can overwhelm others and especially myself. i've been practicing this for quite a while.
group roles are insanely complicated, dynamic and ideally, one individual can embody different roles depending on the situation. i've too been thinking of this recently and i've thought of some possible archetypes people could embody.

1) harmonizer - brings about resolutions between people
2) the amp- individual frequency amplifies the groups and reinforces patterns
3) bass - sets the tone of the group. typically these are the "leaders" but ideally, their influence can be very subtle and non-intentional.

allegedly, i'm "the thing" from the fantastic four lol...projecting a sturdy outside but feeling an openness and a joyful, occasionally hopeless innocence inside.
"it's clobberin' time!"
i also saw a third-eye activated mr. t in the same dream!

i was actually sorting through a series of comic cards this general within afghanistan entrusted me to sort through. so i was placing them in various piles, and while organizing them i began to read some.
the first one i noticed was the thing. i thought to myself "that's not me." but a voice came from behind me and said "that's definitely you!"
the next card i saw was a "cosmically-activated" mr.t :d an energy beam was emanating from his third eye, and he was shimmering with silver-energy. i read the description and from what i can recall right now, it said something along the lines of: "underwent dna enhancement from cosmic rays."

to paraphrase this contemporary philosopher king, have compassion towards those who are fooled!

[soup]

...the idea of the specific mission thing is a dangerous notion, as messiah-like notions of being the "chosen one" are typical methodologies of manipulation among sts groups in their interactions with wanderers...

when i read this, the first thing that came to mind was "the president of the united states", for isn't that the "chosen one"? related to that, i see the president as the front line representative of a group who does an enormous amount of background work in order to allow some semblance of a functional presidency because the responsibilities seem largely beyond to capacity of one person. i think that as the nation grew, so did the role of presidency although people's conception of what the president role "is" may be other than what "it is" in actuality, thus a danger element in that as people become more aware they may become likewise more upset.


soup

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

i know for some that this might sound a little repetitive but i find it more relevent than ever.

in order to bring about change in the world, we must first invite change within ourselves. facing our complete being inside and out triggers the same in others. once we have serrendered, being ourselves comes naturaly and transforms our aura into a beacon of radiant consciousness. in other words, "be the change you want to see"..................sylvain......................... ..

[Cicky]

yes, it is what it is about. star people should come together and the power we
have would be stronger. we would the heal earth faster.

[mellisamouse]

i think a lot of what my role is, is helping people to learn not to take things others do personally, and to learn to love themselves, and not be controlled by others, all in a balanced way that they can be self reliant, but still a part of everyone, not carrying past hurts around that were inflicted by others either intentionally or unitentionally, as either way it was a problem the other person was having, and not usually even meant against them....i guess really i am showing how to show forgiveness, and how to shed any form of a "victom" mentality.....it has been such an absolute blessing watching all the freinds, aquantences, and sometimes almost strangers, growing in my life all around me, learning to be more balanced and having so much more harmony with themselves and harmony with those around them.

it is truly a grand privillage being able to witness these things, and being able to guide others in a way that brings them peace. :)

[soup]

there is the idea of having "a fondness for the naming." possibly the act of naming or of forming classifications forms some sort of limitation at some level of being - as if some activities displace time spent in other ways more fulfilling, though difficult to say for sure. maybe one role is that of classifier, another role as that of being unclassifiable.


soup

[Strider44]

do you think people like david bowie and bruce lee are wanderers? how about john lennon? bob marley definatly seems like a wanderer.

[SuperManny]

do you think people like david bowie and bruce lee are wanderers? how about john lennon? bob marley definatly seems like a wanderer.it seems pretty common for people to consider themselves, or people they know, to be wanderers, but the fact is, the odds do not favor that. i calculated it out once, i believe it came out to about one person in 75,000.

ra gave us the number of approximately 60m back in 1981, when the population was about 4.5b

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

it seems pretty common for people to consider themselves, or people they know, to be wanderers, but the fact is, the odds do not favor that. i calculated it out once, i believe it came out to about one person in 75,000.

ra gave us the number of approximately 60m back in 1981, when the population was about 4.5b

hi supermanny ! these figures add up to 75 to 1. and now that the population is closer to 6 billion than the new number should be right around 100 to 1;)

p.s. 1 billion is 1000 million so 4 500 000 000 divided by 60 000 000 is 75. hope this helps.:)............................sylvain....... .........................

[soup]

i have some sense that my body may be occupied by some wandering animated influence, but not 100% of the time because many other times i observe my physical body simply laying around like an old lab, listening to music.

so i propose that wanderers may occupy inner planes from which they may occupy more than one physical body complex, as not necessarily tied to one physical complex. possibly, some effort dwelving into dreamwork and numerous and frequent obe has led me to hold this perspective, though difficult to say for sure.

there's some biblical thread, of jesus on the cross pleading "why have you foresaken me?" this seems an example of such wandering inner plane entity who's decidedly elsewhere at the moment, probably consoling mary or something. (maybe the inner plane wanderer staged the whole production.)


soup

[Cicky]

yes i really think that david bowie, john lennon,yoko ono, jeff lynne, marilyn monroe are star people. there are many more known people who are from the stars.

[soup]

there may be some "creative" connection, that creative people in some way may be more in tune with the creator, than otherwise, though the ways in being creative seem numerous and varied, not limited to those of celebrity status. personally, i feel some sense of compassion for celebrities - that the overhead of that may stiffle them in some ways. as for wanderers being creative and attracted to roles related to creative activities, yes - that may be beneficial for anyone in ways beyond the obvious.


soup

[Anu]

just saying our pineal is more active during sleep,we can practice in our sleep like what is called sleep yoga or dream yoga.the 3rd karmapa actually
achieved enlightenment during sleep.
and our waking meditations can also include all sentient beings"everywhere"
duplicating our lesson as we practice it.
there is a tibetan story of a master with two disciples who he perscribed a certain number of mantras to be recited and then return to him at a certain time for next lesson.the first student did all the recitations and the master
said very good.number two student said "master i didn't utilize my time to the
best si i imagined a million people reciting the mantras with me.the master said"very very good".

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[ColtMrFire]

newbie, here...i'm a wanderer/starseed, pretty sure of it as i fit the profile to a t, but i am not sure why i came here. i am very very uncomfortable here, and have had a very rough life. i send alot of awakening material to my friends and family, but other than that i'm not sure what i am supposed to do here. and i don't want to repeat this life again out of failing. i mean, it's like 007 goes on a mission, gets knocked over the head, has amnesia and his bosses get on his case and send him back because he forgot what he was sent for...he simply will get knocked over the head again and forget again. doesn't seem fair...why would us wanderers purposefully forget why we came here? none of that makes sense to me. i am somewhat frustrated by this right now because my life seems to be a broken record of struggle...i feel if i knew what i supposed to do, things would be alot easier.

i only started waking up a few years ago, but i always knew something wasn't right about this world...had a lot of clashes with authority figures, got bullied and teased for my weird interests (astronomy, sci-fi, etc). maybe i started waking up just in time for this shift...maybe to help my friends and family not freak out about the changes...because they feel perfectly natural to me. i have never been able to understand of take advantage of the rules here, like capitalism, economics, business...i cannot for the life of me understand how people actually believe these are beneficial tp them.

[evolving]

newbie, here...i'm a wanderer/starseed
gets knocked over the head, has amnesia...
i feel if i knew what i supposed to do, things would be alot easier.

dear brother,

first i may suggest that you read the law of one (the ra materials) (http://www.lawofone.info/). reading these will clear up a great deal of what you desire to know and understand. it is like having a book explaining everything you knew prior to being knocked on the head :) . after having read that, you have the wonderful resources of both this forum and its sister forum bring4th (http://www.bring4th.org/forums/) for questions which you will then have, or will have while reading.

secondly, to touch on the subject briefly, you, as a wanderer, have two purposes. firstly, you are simply a transmitter (or beacon) of love and light, so it is for you to work in a higher vibration (be a positive spiritual person). this basic function... not telling people*, will benefit them. then, in addition to that, is a secondary reason. i cannot say what that is; we each have our own lessons which we desired to learn. these lessons may be and often are difficult, and this is why your life appears to you to have been difficult. it is often so with wanderers. learning grade six lessons in grade three is hard...

once you have read the law of one, you may then decide if you desire to do further work, work which is that of the adept. you will, also, be able to work towards your direction of choice, and move in it much faster than one who does not know about the loo. this is why we wake up, so that we may polarize and return to our home density when finished our mission here.

if you would consider what i may call "the fast track"... meditate mediate meditate, perhaps 15-20 minutes a day to begin (but no more than thirty), and increasing that to an hour over several months. in meditation you will learn a great deal, and you will become a brighter light than you ever thought possible.

*the key to positive polarity is acceptance. the key to negative polarity is control. it is for this reason that we (stos) do not tell people about the loo. if others seek the information and ask you about it, that is a different story, but to tell people and desire for them to know what you know is a form of control, and reaps negative polarity. since there has only ever been one negative polarity wanderer, i would expect you to be stos... before you may help others, though you must be strong enough to have helped yourself.

l/l

[NegaNova]

newbie, here...i'm a wanderer/starseed, pretty sure of it as i fit the profile to a t, but i am not sure why i came here. i am very very uncomfortable here, and have had a very rough life. i send alot of awakening material to my friends and family, but other than that i'm not sure what i am supposed to do here. and i don't want to repeat this life again out of failing. i mean, it's like 007 goes on a mission, gets knocked over the head, has amnesia and his bosses get on his case and send him back because he forgot what he was sent for...he simply will get knocked over the head again and forget again. doesn't seem fair...why would us wanderers purposefully forget why we came here? none of that makes sense to me. i am somewhat frustrated by this right now because my life seems to be a broken record of struggle...i feel if i knew what i supposed to do, things would be alot easier.

i only started waking up a few years ago, but i always knew something wasn't right about this world...had a lot of clashes with authority figures, got bullied and teased for my weird interests (astronomy, sci-fi, etc). maybe i started waking up just in time for this shift...maybe to help my friends and family not freak out about the changes...because they feel perfectly natural to me. i have never been able to understand of take advantage of the rules here, like capitalism, economics, business...i cannot for the life of me understand how people actually believe these are beneficial tp them.

hmm. maybe it would be helpful to remember that this confusion that you feel, and seemingly chaos is part of our cycle - and without it, your brilliant colours might not be illustrated as clearly as they do right now. and it might abe helpful to remember that... there's no way you can fail. there is no such thing - there's only one path, and it's your path, which is coated with the most beautiful light and joy and perfection that any being could possibly imagine! you're so loved by everything around you... and you don't have to figure out your greatest purpose right this second. we have to take our time i think.

[Psion 3-K]

i am so glad that i found this thread. for a long time i've been doing my duties as a wanderer without knowing of the excerpts from the sessions with ra mentioned here. he described everything i do in exact detail.

there are ways that i work on the energetic state of the earth but i've only been fully active since the beginning of this year. previously i was doing things but i wasn't at my full potential. i'll explain a few of the things i do. one is called a 'psionic fire dance'. this is where i dance to some kind of music while at the same time projecting my psionic ability outwards to perform a specific task. sometimes it is to clear bad vibrations, other times it's to enhance the ones already present. i also work to make the earth's energy state inhospitable to all of the vibes we do not want as a whole. you know the ones, greed, hatred, power lust, etc...

one thing that may surprise you is that the music i use when i dance is not always electronica, new agey peaceful stuff. i use a good portion of that too, but i learned through meditation that my ability is like alchemy and thus the state of my music does not reflect the higher purpose i am trying to achieve. if it gets my energy flowing well enough, it's usable. many times i use alternative rock songs that radiate extremely powerful vibrations that when filtered through my ability, changes form into a vibes that benefits the earth altogether. part of that benefit is showing the unawakened that the negative of life is not all consuming and worthy of sending people to hell. it is just one part of a larger system.

i was very clear in contacting my higher self to let him know that if i was doing something wrong, to give me a clear sign. he never did that and i've always noticed improving results in my work. when i dance in front of a mirror, my aura visually manifests itself as a hazy golden outline around my body which leaves contrails as i move. when i project outwards, i see an opaque ripple of energy emanating from my hands.

as i work with any of my techniques, i find myself mentally traveling to the aural plane i am working on. so if i want to help clean up the thought plane, the one where our thoughts go directly to begin their work, i think of that and then begin performing my selected task. last year, before i had developed potent psychic shields, i found myself being kept in that space as if by my own higher self. he wasn't doing this to harm me and when i came out, everything was fine. the interesting thing is that as i was in that realm for such a long period of time, i began to physically feel as if my body had been through a tough physical task. my muscles became very sensitive and i felt these sharp sensations all over my body... this was something that was very new to me.

when i asked mt higher self if there was a hierarchy of command amongst wanderers, my he balked at this. he said that wanderers at not ranked above anyone else but are recognized for their specific sets of abilities. hierarchal systems govern the petty 'i'm better than you' mentalities of the earth and are not applied to the duties of a wanderer. i've found that when i do any of my work, there's never a sense that i have to impress some kind of boss to move up the ladder, so to speak. in general this is to ensure that we actually get something done and don't squabble pointlessly over 'rank'...

as for the idea of moral obligation, i don't believe in this at all. if you are doing something just because you feel that it is required of you, then you're not coming form the right place. wanderers have to choose consciously to perform these tasks from a place of light and love. you'll do it because you really want to see the benefits, not because it is required of you. everyone should live by their own principles, not morals imposed by others. this applies to a lot more than just his higher dimension stuff, needless to say. if it harms none, do as you will...

this is my take on these matters. i hope it's enlightening to anyone whom comes across it! thanks for reading.

[InBetweenPlace]

@ psion - you speak very truly of the difference between doing something by feeling it is a moral obligation vs. doing it because you are exercising your free will. well said.

also, i think it's interesting that you dance to increase your energy! i have been doing that since i was a teenager, though i didn't understand for years why i did that. when i dance, i do some (what i think are) strange movements with my arms and hands. i feel that i am building and directing energy while i am doing this. like you, i recognize that the actual song (if it's a song and not instrumental only) is immaterial, as long as it helps me to connect wtih this energy. i've been using this technique of dancing, before i study the law of one books. it helps to increase the connection between me and my higher self, so that clear communication can take place. i do this, before i send love to others. in fact, since i have been doing this for so many years, sometimes, when i am not able to physically dance, i will picture myself dancing to music only i can hear. this raises my energy level, too! so, if there is an emergency, and i need to have more to share right away, and i feel a bit low, i can do this mentally, too.

wow! it's so cool that you do that! :) i have not been aware of anyone else who did this, for the purpose of using the energy for healing oneself or others (although i thought there must be others, but where are they?).

i don't share your type of work, but i do have work of my own. i think your spiritual work is very interesting.

jc

[Pien]

hello,all

i am a wanderer! i am a 34 year old woman from the netherlands who always had troubles with the way we live in the now... from a child to an adult i just can not ajust because i really really do not understand wy the people on earth are abusing everything thats coming on its path... greed,power and control i never understand that way of thinking:confused: and the way we are treating this earth and all animals like we people are more or better than them.. my whole life i lived with animals because i just can not trust people and there intention because i know and feel the way they really think and not what the say and my whole life from my childhood on i have known.... but when i get older i must ajust to this world but it always makes me sick i can not handel al the feeling from people thats comming to me and i will overload.. the doctors were saying that i had adhd but now i know that bull**** and i am comming to life i know now that i am not crazy but this world is going mad
now i do not walk away anymore from people and except my abbillties and it's fun know i never want to gife up that feeling of thruth...
my advice to all is to be your self and let the child in you come back
and feel what you see then you always see the truth:)

and i want to thank people like david wilcock they let me see the truth thanks!!!

love pien

[InBetweenPlace]

hello, pien!

welcome to the fold! [or, more specifically, the "un-fold" since we here do not identify with sheep]

you may want to check out the empathy thread under "general discussions." i have a hunch you will find something there that will help you.

this section of the forum is for discussing the meaning of the law of one, a series of books that were created from knowledge that was channelled to us in the 1980's. if you want to find out what this is, there is a permanent link at the top of this forum section, so you can read it online. got a hunch that will make sense to you, too!

jc

[Pien]

thanks for the tip jc!!!

this is very interesting and yes your hunch is true!!

love,
pien

[hyunseob90]

if you are posting on this page or reading it, you are probably a wanderer.

the best way to know:

your own heart, it will let you know.

[ltpg97]

as a wanderer i'm not certain what my role is other than to love. i used to think it was to enlighten and awaken those around me but that doesn't work because their attitude is:

* don't bother with me with the fact. my mind is made up
* their in denial about truth and enlightenment

it's very frustrating when you are met with either hostility or denial. so i think the main reason other than to try and spread love as a wanderer is to sit back and observe the greed, power, money and lies that go on on this planet. i can't do anything to change that because hardly anyone in my circles including my family will listen.

my other concern at this point is that my family is willing to give up all their freedoms just to be safe and secure. of course, i'm talking about the tsa, big brother, ect... i am trying to show them the light but they refuse to listen. i certainly don't want to see my family give in to tyranny but if they won't listen there's not much i can do.

all i know is i refuse to give up my freedoms just to be safe.

[Meerie]

*the key to positive polarity is acceptance. the key to negative polarity is control. it is for this reason that we (stos) do not tell people about the loo. if others seek the information and ask you about it, that is a different story, but to tell people and desire for them to know what you know is a form of control, and reaps negative polarity. since there has only ever been one negative polarity wanderer, i would expect you to be stos... before you may help others, though you must be strong enough to have helped yourself.


ltpg97, have you read that quote ? it explains very well why we are not supposed to tell anyone what to do...
everyone has their own way of evolving and is at the place they are supposed to be.
by the way hello everyone! i am new, this is my first post :)

[NorthernLights]

a man who is not enlightened is a man who urges to enlighten.

just a thought, not a statement. ;)

[12thUranus]

we "show the light" by figuratively embracing others. show a smile in the face of frustration. let the negative entity enter your loving heart. listen to intuition- take a seat on the lawn next to a stranger and talk. stir up positive emotions by doing something completely out of the "norm". showing the light in us can be loving the darkness in others (ourselves too).

[Tim Bravo]

we "show the light" by figuratively embracing others. show a smile in the face of frustration. let the negative entity enter your loving heart. listen to intuition- take a seat on the lawn next to a stranger and talk. stir up positive emotions by doing something completely out of the "norm". showing the light in us can be loving the darkness in others (ourselves too).

i wish we could "like" posts in these forums. i'd like this one.

[transiten]

me too

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[12thUranus]

:o

thanks 1134 bunch :d

[Dreimeschier]

a man who is not enlightened is a man who urges to enlighten.

sounds a lot like the tao te ching :) often times you cannot find something because you are too busy looking for it.

[Felix Cat]

after reading loo.. are you a broadcaster or a sensor?

i've written a long long long post about it on the bring 4th forums

though i'm not sure if i should be linking to the specific thread on here.. or if i should be copying and pasting that thread on to here... so i'll wait for some ppl to ask

do wanderers have roles? you bet they do, they can also take a more active approach in stabilizating the planet's energetic harmony..
it all starts with intention.

[MarkM]

both! broadcaster and sensor, ever flowing back easily and into both necessarily,,, as this is the stuff of movement.

likes, mark

[Dihlon]

i used to fret over this very thing. before i realized that i may be a wanderer, i sensed that something was different about me, that i "should" be doing something "special."
i believe this is common for all wanderers. i sense it is the place along the path where sto meets sts within ourselves. the point along the journey where we are tempted by the siren call to be something greater than who we are. yet, how can we be greater than who we are, when we discover we are wanderers? i suggest that those of us who have come before have been preparing planetary consciousness to receive those who are coming and are here now.

when we come to the realization of our true natures, it is important to acknowledge that knowledge with humility. to act with the understanding that we are but conduits for the energy that is manifesting. to quietly add our uniqueness to the energetic stream and allow for whatever manifestation is take place through us. whether that be something "great" or "humble." and who is to say what great and humble is and by what standard is it to be measured? therefore, as the the proverb exhorts us, "be still, and know that i am god."

blessed be!

[Xisto]

what other role could one have other than to live life to its fullest? that will probably take care of any other role! ;-)

[Felix Cat]

love needs to be directed
just as fear is internally directed
love is outward expansion or no direction
hence free will and individual consciousness
learn love is to learn to expand
learn fear is to learn implosion
use fear... on love.. and u get directed love = jesus powers

[Felix Cat]

on taking an active wanderer role as opposed to a passive wanderer role.

#1
so i've developed a hybrid of the white light grounding technique.
it involves connecting the bottom of the white light pillar to the core of the earth, while the top connects to the sun.

when doing this i imagine letting the sun and the earth let me utilize their vast reserves of chakra or chi. it acts as an amplifier.

you must think loving thoughts, and feel loving thoughts or you will be broadcasting the wrong signal!!! this is important

then you have it come to meet at your heart chakra. from there you expand the white light to envelop everyone and everything around you. i live in new york city so it is easy for me to go into a large crowd and see the direct result of my actions.

many people stop fighting when i do, many people start to smile as a result and don't even know why they are smiling. i have seen an arguing couple yelling at each other, go directly into laughing and playfulness. i have seen a woman tear visibly and obviously. she was asian and as an asian myself i know we have a tough time showing emotions in public, but i could tell it was helping her to heal some past issue.

i have seen many... many people smile.. i've seen people who were sleeping wake up as if they have extra energy even for just a few minutes after a long hard day's work. i've seen the most miserable lost and tired faces turn to faces of being okay, faces of i'm going to get through this now.


#2

i also have an old technique which i would expand this white light to create a large disc that would spin as if you are spinning a coin on a table, who's axis is aligned with the north and south poles. as it spins it scoops up all of the misguided love, all of the fear, misunderstanding, and ignorance in the world. almost like trimming the hedges of the black stuff out of everyone's individual chakras.

i can see it as it creates this black mush on the disc... i then transmute the disc into a jar with as least amount of chakra i need to contain it where it goes into a washing machine's spin cycle... where all of this energy gets transmuted to the purified source energy of love and light..
it looks like white quartz crystals at this point.

at that point u have this jar of unpotentied love and light particles, i send it on over to the sun to handle the rest..

[Dihlon]

i love how you are using the sun in your energetics, felix.
i've used similar techniques in crowds and have watched with a peaceful knowing as the very energy begins to shift and change those around me.
keep up the good work. i will incorporate your technique with the sun in my work as well.

blessed be

[Felix Cat]

i love how you are using the sun in your energetics, felix.
i've used similar techniques in crowds and have watched with a peaceful knowing as the very energy begins to shift and change those around me.
keep up the good work. i will incorporate your technique with the sun in my work as well.

blessed be


because of a friend on the l&l forums, i've figured out u don't have to send undifferentiated love and light energy to the sun.

if you visualize transmuting the black ooze substance to clear crystal energy and then becoming golden you've turned sts love into sto love and it automatically goes wherever it needs to go. i don't allow sts to take any undifferentiated love energy back as it must be anchored on to the planet to safely and peacefully transition earth from 3d to 4d.

[Dreimeschier]

that's really neat, felix. i found out how much i suck up the energy of others just last year. that explained why i was always in a rotten mood... hehe. but then i learned to change it over like that, and i've noticed the same things; like in an office, everyone just suddenly cheers up and jokes around a little more. i was joking about that with a friend, saying i'm like an emotional janitor... dirty job, but someones gotta do it :d

as was said earlier, it's good to teach those who have an interest... as long as you don't force things on others. i love how loo refers to teaching/learning as the same thing. so personally i learn everything i can and like to pass it on to whomever i think might be interested. but of course, i can accept if someone does not want to hear it, that is their free will.

[JupiterJive]

simply put: to help each other. whether it is to pick someone up when they are down, or to help them see the tools necessary for them to pick up themselves, or perhaps it is enough to be who we are for those who find having us in their lives enriches them somehow, some-mysterious "how."

perhaps it is normal, or instinctive, or conditioned, for us to imagine that our roles are to save the world, or stop the bad guy, or escape the exploding building at the last moment with the world-saving boon.

is it not enough, when self-actualized, or becoming self-actualized (analytically confusing term, i know), to simply be ourselves in the capacity we have to inspire those around us in loving and healing ways? i express my thoughts to friends about ufos, but i don't try to make them "see." my name is not zarathustra. and i know what happens to the lead in plato's allegory of the cave.

people need to see these things in their own way in their own time, and when they do, we can be there to help ease the transition.

i'm sure you've all mentioned these points a gazillion times. i don't turn ashamed from them if so . . .

regardless, it is nice to participate in something that "speaks my language" and it's good to be here among so many. by that, i mean this forum.

[Air-Wick]

i've been wondering about this for a large portion of my life.. ever since i was a kid i just knew i had some kind of special role to play in the world later on. but, the horrible part is, is that every time i tried to do something that would have a long-term effect on my life, it would always backfire.. and it would seem like my life was/is being directed, in a sense, to something completely different than i thought it would be.

times have been getting rough for me recently, and trying to figure out what my real destiny is, i went under hypnosis by a hypnotherapist and basically told myself that my actual destiny is for me to find out in the long run, but all i really need to know now is that my purpose here is to just... be.

a profound realization thinking that my life would be horribly complex in the future, that my destiny here is something so simple as just being here.

but on to my point, i think when it all comes down to it, just the simple fact that all wanderers are here makes a difference in the planet's vibratory level. just like probably all wanderers, i'm having a pretty rough life so far, but the message i want to get out.. is that really even though your life is going pretty bad at the moment or has been rough in the past, just being here and realizing you are a wanderer, is helping this planet immensely. you are special. we are special. we are all one.

peace and love.

[barryvictor]

wanderers roles can be found through out the books...however, here are a few areas you might find interesting: book 2, session 32; book 3 session 65; book 3 session 59; book 1 session 12; book 2 session 36; book 3 session 66 just to name a few. my index is compiled from the downloaded pdfs so unless you use this source i cannot provide the page numbers. in essence, the roles vary with each entity:

ra: i am ra. it was the aim of wanderers to serve the entities of this planet
in whatever way was requested and it was also the aim of wanderers that
their vibratory patterns might lighten the planetary vibration as a whole,
thus ameliorating the effects of planetary disharmony and palliating any
results of this disharmony.
specific intentions such as aiding in a situation not yet manifest are not the
aim of wanderers. light and love go where they are sought and needed, and
their direction is not planned aforetimes.
you may, at this time, note that as with any entities, each wanderer has its
unique abilities, biases, and specialities so that from each portion of each
density represented among the wanderers come an array of preincarnative
talents which then may be expressed upon this plane which you now
experience so that each wanderer, in offering itself before incarnation, has
some special service to offer in addition to the doubling effect of planetary
love and light and the basic function of serving as beacon or shepherd.
thus there are those of fifth-density whose abilities to express wisdom are
great. there are fourth and sixth-density wanderers whose ability to serve
as, shall we say, passive radiators or broadcasters of love and love/light are
immense. there are many others whose talents brought into this density are
quite varied.
thus wanderers have three basic functions once the forgetting is
penetrated, the first two being basic, the tertiary one being unique to that
particular mind/body/spirit complex.

[barryvictor]

itpg...giving up something that you don't really have is contrary to the experience you are here to gain from...balancing your perceived needs with your perceived receipts is the task before you...wanderer roles...varied and many based upon the learning experience set before entry. whose denial is real...yours or theirs...for each entity here has their own point of view from which end of the teeter totter one finds oneself at the "moment" of perception....as ra has indicated, there are many moments that "are what they are" for the learn/teach and teach/learn aspects of our existences...without these contrary moments, what would you be learning/teaching? do not be so quick to throw off those moments of catalyst you are experiencing...they are there for a learning/teaching aspect of your existence...peace and light...barryvictor

[rob_n86]

revive an older thread with a question about wanderers rather than make a new topic... my question/discussion is about wanderer complatency or laziness.

as we know, ra states that wanderers have a "free ticket" to the beyond, if you choose to look at it from that perspective. if that is the case, then i was woundering what would become or what would it mean for a wanderer to become complacent and lazy? one may think: "well i dont have to do anything, i am just gonna ride this one out... hurry up already, im bored..." but that would be self serving and one would undoubtedly need to work out that karma eventually. and what if one is wrong, and they are not a wanderer, how unfortunate that would be for someone. i only mention this because sometimes i feel that way, that i should just sit back and wait. but i dont truley feel thats the way to do things. i know the consequences of being like that. but to have thoughts of consequences implys a fear of something, but what? repeating 3d? the sto drive should not be fear of repeating 3d or being "left behind". the sto drive should also not be fear of not being a wanderer, not having a free ticket. i dont truly feel like thats what i am like, thats not what really motivates my sto. anyway just thoughts here, what becomes of people that would be thinking like that? i welcome any thoughts.

[Tenet Nosce]

as we know, ra states that wanderers have a "free ticket" to the beyond, if you choose to look at it from that perspective. if that is the case, then i was woundering what would become or what would it mean for a wanderer to become complacent and lazy? one may think: "well i dont have to do anything, i am just gonna ride this one out... hurry up already, im bored..." but that would be self serving and one would undoubtedly need to work out that karma eventually. and what if one is wrong, and they are not a wanderer, how unfortunate that would be for someone.

i would suggest that what you are doing is secondary to what you are being. whether or not one identifies as a wanderer, the primary responsibility is to one's self. sts refers to serving the self at the expense of others, but sto does not mean serving others at the expense of self. rather it refers to expanding one's concept of self to include others, and acting from that place.

each of us has the same job here: to increase the balance of love-wisdom-power within ourselves. this translates directly into increasing the amount of peace, joy, and prosperity in our lives, and in the lives of those around us. this is all we can do, and it is more than enough.

the history if the world is chock full of people whose grandiose plans for world peace (or domination) fell short. how might their purposes have been better served if the akhnatens, alexanders, napoleons, or even hitlers of history recognized that the only "mission" in life is to increase one's personal sense of peace and happiness? perhaps they would have better discerned the appropriate time to sit back, relax, and enjoy the fruits of one's labors.

instead, each of these individuals pressed on with their agenda. in the end, what happened? the result was a massive backlash by the rest of humanity. the moment that these people died, the rest of the world got to systematically dismantling everything that they had built. when i look at it like this all i can think is- what a grand waste of energy.

now and forever, your ultimate responsibility is to your self. there is nobody else that you need to answer to. sometimes in meditation i envision that i am communicating with my future "dead" self, who has just completed a life review and is in deep reflection. what might that me of the future have to say to the me of the present? most of the time i feel that it encourages me to enjoy those quiet and peaceful moments of my life, whether alone or with loved ones. of course- i cannot say what kind of messages your own soul would have for you.

toward the end of 2010, i gave some long thought to what i wanted to create in my life for 2011. when i considered the amount of chaos i expected to see in the world i decided that i would take every step within my power to more completely engender a state of peace within myself. in practice, this has manifested as several extended vacations. during weeks that i choose to work, it is only two or three of the days. i systematically removed any material expenses from my life that did not directly benefit my sense of happiness. i sleep when i feel tired and wake when i feel rested. i don't "go out" nearly as much as i used to, and have made improvements to my home so that it is more enjoyable for my friends and family to come to my home.

from an outsider's perspective, i can see how somebody might view me as "complacent and lazy". to me, they are still caught in a 3d perspective which says that they need to be "out there doing something" in order to be creating results in the world. to many people who might know me tangentially, or on a social network, i might appear "lucky" and to have won a "free ticket" but this is hardly the case. the reality is that the life i lead is a direct consequence of having gone within and done the work that needed to be done on the inside. more importantly, i continue to make myself available to do the work as it continues to arise. to me it would be foolish to be so caught up in the external chaos right now as to have no time for quiet contemplation.


i only mention this because sometimes i feel that way, that i should just sit back and wait. but i dont truley feel thats the way to do things... i dont truly feel like thats what i am like, thats what what really motivates my sto.

however you feel is however you feel, and nobody ever said that you always have to feel the same way. :) my only recommendation would be to discern between an impulse that originates within yourself, and one that has been programmed onto you from the outside.

maybe you are like a cosmic spider who has weaved a fantastic web throughout space and time, and is now comfortably perched in a corner, waiting for the right moment to make a move. only you can really say...

[ltpg97]

ra states that wanderers have a "free ticket" to the beyond, if you choose to look at it from that perspective.

i am curious to know what ra means by "free ticket" to the beyond as you put it. does that mean once we die our spirits will no longer have to be reincarnated again and we can go back home to where we belong?

i believe my role is to awaken people not by force, spread love and to observe the unfortunate circumstances that is upon planet earth. i am finding inner peace within myself these days. meditation is hard for me because of my allergies but i do try.

[rob_n86]

oh no, ra does not state "free ticket", that's just something i came up with. what ra states is that wanderers are 4th, 5th, and 6th density, who have already mastered 3rd density, but who have chosen to reincarnate at this time to help the ascension process. so regardless of their path in life, they return to their respective density.


i believe my role is to awaken people not by force, spread love and to observe the unfortunate circumstances that is upon planet earth. i am finding inner peace within myself these days. meditation is hard for me because of my allergies but i do try.

it sounds like you have everything figured out to me. i find myself on that same path. but i don't have allergies:p i don't really meditate though either, something i've been wanting to do.

[scottki]

sto does not mean serving others at the expense of self. rather it refers to expanding one's concept of self to include others, and acting from that place..

so if you were on the titanic as it was sinking and there was only one life jacket left but you and another wanted it, what would you do? :-)

[Tenet Nosce]

so if you were on the titanic as it was sinking and there was only one life jacket left but you and another wanted it, what would you do? :-)

share? ;-)

hypothetical examples are great to help us explore ideas- but we are also limited by their simplicity. life is complex and in reality, these types of scenarios don't really happen all too often. unless perhaps one is a participant in a "reality" tv show where these types of scenarios are manufactured.

but in all seriousness, if i were faced with a situation where it appears to come down to "you or me" i would interpret that as just another opportunity to look past the illusion.

when life hands me an either/or situation, i immediately begin to look for the hidden both/and solution. i simply refuse to believe in it because i know better.

[scottki]

i am pretty sure situations like this arise every day but perhaps a better scenario would be; you and one other in a plane that will crash and only one parachute! what would you do? to gain polarity one would allow the other the parachute, presuming they wanted it, but that would mean death to you. what would looking past the illusion have you do?

[EcyaC]

what would looking past the illusion have you do?

play rock, paper, scissors?

[scottki]

play rock, paper, scissors?

that is/would probably be the best solution!

[Tenet Nosce]

i am pretty sure situations like this arise every day but perhaps a better scenario would be; you and one other in a plane that will crash and only one parachute!

really? and how many people do you know of who were forced to choose between their own life and that of another human being? out of the 7 billion people now alive, how many of them would you expect will pass through that type of experience?


what would you do? to gain polarity one would allow the other the parachute, presuming they wanted it, but that would mean death to you. what would looking past the illusion have you do?

i commend your willingness to ponder this question, but i would suggest that you aren't going to get very far with it if you insist on trying to package the whole thing into neat little hypothetical boxes.

looking past the illusion would inform me that my physical survival is of trivial import with respect to the grander scheme of things, and so it wouldn't be so important to preserve my body at all costs. if the other person took the parachute for themselves, i would allow them to keep it. if the other person offered me the parachute, i would take it.

[scottki]

really? and how many people do you know of who were forced to choose between their own life and that of another human being? out of the 7 billion people now alive, how many of them would you expect will pass through that type of experience?



in the developing world life is very different from the us.

[Tenet Nosce]

in the developing world life is very different from the us.

i have spent considerable time in several "3rd world" countries. the vast majority of people living in these places do not find themselves in crashing airplanes short one parachute.

[cameronjcw]

i have a feeling that the parachute/airplane scenario was just one example!?

also developing countries are not the same as third world countries, there are many developing countries that have running water, electricity, internet access etc the same as the us, uk and a few others, they maybe dont have access to the newest technologies that some of us may have but they arent so far behind that they still live in caves etc.

i think as far as scenarios go there are probably a million different scenarios that would result in someone having to make a choice to save themselves or another in any of these developing countries also bear in mind that they probably do have parachutes and planes like many other more "developed" countries so the original plane/parachute scenario could still happen!

[cameronjcw]

also i was thinking too arent some of these so called developing countries more spiritually developed than other so called developed countries which are more materially developed!?

[Dreimeschier]

cameron-

yes and no. i was taking a 300 level anthropology class this semester, and some of the things i read about implied that some tribal people were far more in touch with the spirit realm that us 'civilized' folk. if you lived your entire life in the wild, it would be rather hard to not have a close connection with nature and the spirit of things. many shamans from different cultures assuringly state that the spirit world is real, and our 'reality' is the illusion. then again, there are those who have been manipulated by the outside world, such as with 'cargo cults', and shamans who knowingly inflict pain and suffering on members of rival tribes.

[Tenet Nosce]

anyhow the focus of this thread is not what life is like in 3rd world countries...

nor is it really about jumping out of airplanes without parachutes...

we are discussing the question: do wanderers have roles?

it has been quite some time since i had any doubts that i come from a civilization that is in many ways more developed than human civilization on earth. as a late teen/early tween all i understood about this was that something just seemed very "wrong" in the world. so many things about the way humans live just seemed to me... well... primitive.

to make matters worse, it seemed as if nobody else saw what i saw. sure, they acknowledged that the world wasn't perfect. but nobody seemed to understand how backwards things really are. humans- and especially americans- are very proud of the civilization they have. after all- it is the pinnacle of god's creation, right? ;-)

to others, i am sure i just came off as extremely arrogant and bitter. in other words, i thought i knew better than everybody else, and was very angry that nobody would listen to me. it took a long time to understand that i had made two critical errors in my perception with respect to this.

the first is that i assumed that all of these fantastic ideas for improving civilization came from my own ego-mind. as if i was just this super genius that came up with all the solutions to society's ills. wrong! as i later learned [and then it still took several years to prove to myself] the reason that i knew better was because i have experienced life in a civilization that has already solved most of the problems now facing humanity. in other words- i am a wanderer. the reason why i am so sure that i know a better way is because i have witnessed it in action. earth humans have yet to create this for themselves.

the second critical error i made was in assuming that since i knew better, it was up to me to "do something" about it. to be sure, when i would get on one of my soap box rants about human idiocy, that was pretty much all the advice my friends and family would have to offer. well if you are so unhappy with the way things are, then do something about it!

the problem was that every time i did start down a path of "doing something about it" i hit a brick wall. it was like life was laughing in my face. for a while, i became very preoccupied with finding my "mission". i thought that there must be something specific that i am supposed to "do" and when i find that thing, life will start opening doors for me.

only after many long years of disappointment did i finally start to question my foundational beliefs about the situation. instead of viewing myself as so advanced, and then secretly feeling guilty about it, i came to understand that on my "home planet" i am probably quite average. in fact, i wouldn't be surprised if i was considered slow and unruly. like one who needs to be sent away for a little while in order to get their head on straight.

secondly, i came to challenge the notion that there was any specific mission for me here. that there were some secret orders from "on high" that i desperately needed to find and carry out before "the end" came. i now believe that this is total hogwash. nothing more than another control mechanism meant to distract people from the real work which is done on the inside.

yes, it's graduation time. a time of celebration, but also of some trepidation for the future. what will humanity choose for itself? only time will tell. but in the end, graduation will come and go and life will go on as it always does.

on the one hand, getting your high school diploma is a great accomplishment. but then after all the pomp and circumstance, you are just another person with a high school diploma. it might be worth an additional $1 million over your lifetime, but it doesn't really make you any more special than the next guy. and you definitely can't take your $1 million with you when you croak.

having a diploma also doesn't mean that you are now duty bound to turn back and help everybody else get their diploma. it doesn't mean that you have to choose any one particular vocation or career. it doesn't mean that you have to do anything.

so it is with wanderers. in fact, i would go so far as to assert that many of the more heinous moments in human history were actually the unintended result of wanderers sticking their noses too far into human affairs out of the false assumption that it was their responsibility to make things better for everybody else. whether through gift, coersion, or force, every attempt to impose higher dimensional views and values onto humanity has failed. miserably.

if anything, the role of wanderers is to learn how to stop meddling in affairs, and to simply be witnesses. at least that is my view.

[transiten]

great post tenet nosce...until the last sentence....at least in my view...

"simply be witnesses"? remeber martin luther king saying the big problem not being the "evil deeds" but the indifference...also in the bible the "lukewarm" are considered more as a problem than the right out evil...

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[Tenet Nosce]

hi transiten-

yea the last sentence did not really do a great job of encapsulating what i wanted to say. i think that there is a lot of power in the "witnessing" meaning that there is what happens.. and then there is the story of what happens.

but maybe you have some ideas?

[ds37ds]

hi tenet nosce,

well according to the law of one, wanderers are called on by the planetary collective or perhaps even individually.

as for simply being an observer, i think it may be more complicated than it seems at first glance if you take the implications of quantum mechanics into consideration.

ds

[transiten]

hi tenet nosce,

well according to the law of one, wanderers are called on by the planetary collective or perhaps even individually.

as for simply being an observer, i think it may be more complicated than it seems at first glance if you take the implications of quantum mechanics into consideration.

ds

yes, that's a good one! the observer always influences the outcome of the experiment...and tenet, at the moment i really feel a need to just be an observer, try to calm down and find a point i recognize and can find stillnss in even in the midst of action, i mean "to everything turn, turn, turn, thee is a season turn turn turn, and a time for every purpose under heaven...

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[Tenet Nosce]

not to split hairs, however i purposely chose the word witness rather than observer. :)

i can definitely see the concerns about becoming too aloof with respect to events in the world- however i would still say that, as a collective, human beings are more distorted to overaction and impulsiveness than inactivity and apathy.

getting back to core philosophy, according to the law of one, there are three primary aspects, or lenses, from which to have experiences. they are love, wisdom, and power. consciousness is free to choose from any of the three, or in whatever combination it prefers. however, in order to progress from this octave into the next, a being must integrate all three of these aspects together. to be clear, i don't mean moving from 3d to 4d to 5d etc. but moving beyond this entire octave of densities, altogether.

when i evaluate the earth collective, on the whole i see that the area which is least developed is wisdom.

on the whole, people are actually quite loving. people love each other and care about each other. of course there are things like torture and abuse. however, for the most part, people are loving- even if they do not possess the wisdom to express it in an enlightened way.

power? well, i would say there is a small part of humanity that has been very focused on becoming more powerful while there is a larger portion that has yet to explore their personal and collective power. still, on the whole, i would say that humanity has a decent feel for power.

now when it comes to wisdom, i must say that i find humanity strangely lacking. certainly, it is not for lack of catalyst. but it just seems like people have a really really hard time learning from their mistakes. both individually and collectively.

ever and anon, we try to do the same things which have failed for other people in other times. yet something in us wants to believe that maybe it will work for us in this time. for example, every time there is something that is perceived to be a threat to public health and safety, people will organize a group to try to pass a law to get it banned.

this is despite the fact that banning something has never really worked, ever. all that banning does is drive the activity further underground, and in the end making it a more lucrative business for criminals. yet people continue to accept this as a valid way to deal with the dark elements of society. just ban it! should be america's new slogan. problem is that it doesn't work, and never did.

besides learning from one's errors, wisdom also has a great deal to do with recognizing the right moment to take action. a wise person can see what needs to be done, but they also realize that this moment may not be the best moment. wisdom knows what it doesn't know, and recognizes that what it doesn't know could change the timing element completely. wisdom also understands that sometimes things need to occur in a particular order for it to turn out as intended.

for example, look at all the people who desperately want disclosure. if i were an et group right now, i would be very careful that humanity understand that they are supposed to find their own answers before agreeing to any sort of public announcement. it would be very unwise to force the issue onto humanity before it is sufficiently prepared.

the point is: love without wisdom is folly, and power without wisdom is evil. this pretty much encapsulates the human condition at this point in time. a few evil people control the world, while the vast majority of people are too distracted with the drama of their loved ones to do anything about it, even if they could.

what we need is a good dose of wisdom. on all sides. even the "evildoers" need to wisen up and realize that they can't keep doing what they are doing forever. meanwhile, many other people need to pull their heads out of their you-know-whats and get a clue. especially when it comes to absurd and outdated religious beliefs and the especially ridiculous notion that you can only love somebody who practices the same religion as you.

the opportunity is upon us now to move past this. but in order to do that, we first need to stop doing what we are doing. just stop. pause and breathe. there are too many people running around half-cocked. too many people taking action in too many different directions.

we are wildly spinning our tires, and yet most people's "solution" is just to jam down harder on the accelerator, close their eyes, and hope for the best. this is madness.

[Tenet Nosce]

so, getting back to the original topic. as a wanderer, what kind of role does one play in this process? well, if a wanderer truly hails from another planet/collective, i will assert that the most wise thing to do is to use their expanded perception as a point of reference that others do not yet see. in other words, be a witness.

the role of the wanderer is to expand the context of events to include higher densities. rather than affect events directly, wanderers can offer a framework to others that would allow them to reinterpret the events in their lives so it is more consistent with the bigger picture, and to empower them to choose a different course of action. this is an invaluable gift if it is accepted.

what would be very unwise for a wanderer to do is to step in and tell the other person what they should do. this is very disempowering. instead, a wanderer would do well to hold steadfast in the belief that the other has the capacity to find the solution for themselves. then stick to that, even if the other person appears to be spiraling downward into oblivion.

it is the same thing with humanity as a collective. i believe that this would be the absolute worst time for wanderers to step in and intervene on humanity's behalf. according to my understanding of loo, that's what started this whole mess. therefore, it cannot be the solution.

a wanderer steps into their role when they realize that true power is in the ability to perceive, rather than achieve. as ds37ds pointed out, you cannot really separate the observer from the observed. you do, however, need to choose one side of the equation or the other in order for the waveform to collapse into something tangible.

[ds37ds]

witness or observer?

either way tenet, both activities ( if you can call them that ) require your presence in the moment, whatever is going on, whether you are conscious of it or not. i also doubt that it is something exclusive to or differentiates wanderers from anyone else. we are all witnesses and observers or consciousness observing itself.

[Dreimeschier]

here's a question i've been wondering for a while, but haven't been able to really form until recently. wanderers/starseeds/etc. come from all different parts of the universe, and also from different densities, correct? ra has mentioned certain famous persons (genghis khan, for example) who have specific roles in other densities. it's been generally said that the role of wanderers is to help people in various ways. so the question is; is there a way to determine what race/density that you have come from, and would that mean that you have an inclination to do a specific type of sto? for example... an activist, ceo, doctor, artist, etc. can all be of service to others, but in very different ways. i've read numerology books that base it off adding numbers in your birth date, which can help guide, but i'm wondering if anyone has input on this? thanks.

[transiten]

well if anyone would care to visit bring4th and the "social interaction thread" and read what happened to me yesterday and how i handeled the situation, it would be interesting to have the wanderer perspective, not that i know if i'm one but i surely didn't act in a "wise" manner. (i don't have the energy and time to write it all down again)

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[Tenet Nosce]

hi dreimeschier,

according to my understanding, there is no way to determine with certainty an individual's density of origin. furthermore, i am quite confident that all these different types of roles appear in all societies, wherever they are found.

i would venture a guess that as one's perspective expands into higher densities, the particular form of service becomes increasingly trivial and meaningless to discern.

here are the quotes from loo:


questioner: is there anyone in our history who is commonly known who went to a fourth-density self-service or negative type of planet or any who will go there?

ra: i am ra. the number of entities thus harvested is small. however, a few have penetrated the eighth level which is only available from the opening up of the seventh through the sixth. penetration into the eighth or intelligent infinity level allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle.

questioner: are any of these people known in the history of our planet by name?

ra: i am ra. we will mention a few. the one known as taras bulba, the one known as genghis khan, the one known as rasputin.

questioner: how did they accomplish this? what was necessary for them to accomplish this?

ra: i am ra. all of the aforementioned entities were aware, through memory, of atlantean understandings having to do with the use of the various centers of mind/body/spirit complex energy influx in attaining the gateway to intelligent infinity.

questioner: did this enable them to do what we refer to as magic? could they do paranormal things while they were incarnate?

ra: i am ra. this is correct. the first two entities mentioned made little use of these abilities consciously. however, they were bent single-mindedly upon service to self, sparing no efforts in personal discipline to double, re-double and so empower this gateway. the third was a conscious adept and also spared no effort in the pursuit of service to self.

questioner: where are these three entities now?

ra: i am ra. these entities are in the dimension known to you as fourth. therefore the space/time continua are not compatible. an approximation of the space/time locus of each would net no actual understanding. each chose a fourth-density planet which was dedicated to the pursuit of the understanding of the law of one through service to self, one in what you know as the orion group, one in what you know as cassiopeia, one in what you know as southern cross; however, these loci are not satisfactory. we do not have vocabulary for the geometric calculations necessary for transfer of this understanding to you.

questioner: who went to the orion group?

ra: i am ra. the one known as genghis khan.

questioner: what does he presently do there? what is his job or occupation?

ra: i am ra. this entity serves the creator in its own way.

questioner: is it impossible for you to tell us precisely how he does this service?

ra: i am ra. it is possible for us to speak to this query. however, we use any chance we may have to reiterate the basic understanding/learning that all beings serve the creator.

the one you speak of as genghis khan, at present, is incarnate in a physical light body which has the work of disseminating material of thought control to those who are what you may call crusaders. he is, as you would term this entity, a shipping clerk.

questioner: how did taras bulba, genghis khan, and rasputin get harvested prior to the harvest?

ra: i am ra. it is the right/privilege/duty of those opening consciously the gate to intelligent infinity to choose the manner of their leaving of third density. those of negative orientation who so achieve this right/duty most often choose to move forward in their learn/teaching of service to self.

[Tenet Nosce]

just ran across this from session 65. enjoy!


questioner: i have assumed that the reason that so many wanderers and those harvested third-density entities who have been transferred here find it a privilege and an exceptionally beneficial time to be incarnate upon this planet is that the effect that i just spoke of gives them the opportunity to be more fully of service because of the increased seeking. is this, in general, correct?

ra: i am ra. this is the intention which wanderers had prior to incarnation. there are many wanderers whose dysfunction with regard to the planetary ways of your peoples have caused, to some extent, a condition of being caught up in a configuration of mind complex activity which, to the corresponding extent, may prohibit the intended service.


questioner: this entire scenario over the next, shall i say, twenty years seems to be aimed at producing an increase in seeking and an increase in the awareness of the natural creation, but also a terrific amount of confusion. was it the pre-incarnative objective of many of the wanderers to attempt to reduce this confusion?

ra: i am ra. it was the aim of wanderers to serve the entities of this planet in whatever way was requested and it was also the aim of wanderers that their vibratory patterns might lighten the planetary vibration as a whole, thus ameliorating the effects of planetary disharmony and palliating any results of this disharmony.

specific intentions such as aiding in a situation not yet manifest are not the aim of wanderers. light and love go where they are sought and needed, and their direction is not planned aforetimes.



questioner: then each of the wanderers here acts as a function of the biases he has developed in any way he sees fit to communicate or simply be in his polarity to aid the total consciousness of the planet. is there any, shall i say, more physical way that he aids in — what i mean is, is it — do the vibrations somehow add, just as electrical polarity or charging a battery or something? does that also aid the planet, just the physical presence of the wanderers?

ra: i am ra. this is correct and the mechanism is precisely as you state. we intended this meaning in the second portion of our previous answer.

you may, at this time, note that as with any entities, each wanderer has its unique abilities, biases, and specialties so that from each portion of each density represented among the wanderers comes an array of pre-incarnative talents which then may be expressed upon this plane which you now experience so that each wanderer, in offering itself before incarnation, has some special service to offer in addition to the doubling effect of planetary love and light and the basic function of serving as beacon or shepherd.

thus there are those of fifth density whose abilities to express wisdom are great. there are fourth- and sixth-density wanderers whose ability to serve as, shall we say, passive radiators or broadcasters of love and love/light are immense. there are many others whose talents brought into this density are quite varied.

thus wanderers have three basic functions once the forgetting is penetrated, the first two being basic, the tertiary one being unique to that particular mind/body/spirit complex.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

maybe ways to build, maintain and protect a +3d/+4d social memory complex that stretches to eternity? or simply acknowledge and join an existing one? any ideas?

hello,
it is difficult for me to touch upon this subject because of the growing misunderstanding between the earthlings' point of view and my venusian point of view. although, i'd give it a try. building, maintaining and protecting the smc is a temporary role that all of the illusionary beings play. time and space have no purpose, nor meaning, and it is we that have assumed for quite some time its important role in our existence, when in reality its illusionary existence and purpose is created by us. thus all that we are is temporary and once realization of fullness is achieved we will become one; the illusion of separation will be lifted along with the illusion of outside control. when our unity became distressed and began dividing; first, we began materializing, now we are at the peak of materialization, and after we will begin the dismaterialization process. in our reality we are in the middle point, because we have the illusion of linear time. in time space, on the other hand, we are at the furthest sides from the mid point simultaneously. therefore, the us-ego that began the journey to materialization and the us-ego that have ended the dismaterialization process will come closer to one another in time space creating the right settings in our reality for realization of wholeness. the liquid like energy that david is referring to at times, is simply h2o in the forth state of matter. the state of plasma, in which water becomes simply a hydrogen-oxygen plasma due to the separation of atoms... dismaterialization of water... just like it occurred on venus. we had water when our planet was young... but soon the sun had its say. the high temperatures changed our atmosphere and created the perfect environment for our evolution to take place... something that will happen to this planet, when it is ready for its solar evolution. it is all a ripple effect... like newton's cradle. one pops in and the other one pops out... what i am trying to say is easy... if i could just say it without a description... but i keep feeling like i need to explain certain things. our only role... the only thing that we must do is turn from outside-in to inside-out... and then once we are inside-out for a while... we will turn outside-in once again to journey this path again! let the light and love be outside of your core and not hidden inside... that is the only way we will be able to accept the true light of our father (the sun) and accept true love of our mother (planets, for you earth, for me venus). don't let the light be stored deep inside your thick scull and the love deep under your ribs! exchange and become free! allow the rivers that flow inside of you to brace the water so that it can mature and move out of its natural states and into the state where it can too become divided, so that it can too, one day rejoice!

love,
et

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

what a coinsidance i didnt go to [name of website] for a long time and when i did this was on the front page!
http://www.crystalinks.com/walk_ins.html

short and informative!

love and light and love,
et

[Dreamer1811]

i, feel very much like i am a wanderer. like many others i have had a pretty rough life, and never felt at home anywhere.the whole looking-up-longingly at the stars to take me away, yep that's all me.
i don't know what my role is as i have just so recently found out (i'm talking days here) but my heart lets me know it's true. and my instinct has never steered me wrong. my fiancee has told me though, many times, that when i am positive and loving i positively radiate it and attract people, but the opposite is also true. so maybe i am an amp.

the thing is, that i read in this thread is to not tell others about the loo. well i was so excited that i told my fiancee. was it wrong of me to do that? i am a definite sto and wouldn't want to do anything to do jeopardize that.
sorry for rambling.

light & love,
alex

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

i am a definite sto and wouldn't want to do anything to do jeopardize that.
well if you are definitely sto you wont worry about jeopardizing anything then because your being will automatically detect if you are turning from the path.

welcome to the forum!
2 alexs joined us in such a short time, that calls for some good luck!

love and light and love,
ra ma

[Dreamer1811]

that makes sense and eased my mind.

thank you for the warm welcome :).

light & love,
alex

btw. i love your name :d

[just as a small reminder to our members that personal responses can be done with a private message (pm) ]

[H20]

it seems that recently i've unintentionally stumbled upon my potentials as a possible wanderer. i'm not one to make assumptions by any means or to hear myself talk. i still don't even know how to describe what's happening to me. it's irrelevant to give a bio of my life's indecisive nature. everyone has moments of this. all i can say is my intuitive strengths have told me to move to/from different cities every year (for over a decade). god knows how many jobs/ different fields of brief intense interest i thought would fulfill the inner yearning of the search for what i never seem to find. yet i always know when i arrive at a new start; it's never what i'm looking for. now, with connecting the dots of my past to david's ability to explain and provide sources, a bomb dropped in my face.
even though, i've read about this, researched, i even did that 12 question thing; it's like i'm feeling 2/3rds. i don't if that makes sense at all, but a part of me is still, i don't know...blocked?...anyways, if anyone knows anything about this write me. i'm new here. and i was compelled to join through a bizarre chain of coincidences or situations that revealed themselves the right way. thank you for listening. -h20

[Sammy]

it seems that recently i've unintentionally stumbled upon my potentials as a possible wanderer. i'm not one to make assumptions by any means or to hear myself talk. i still don't even know how to describe what's happening to me. it's irrelevant to give a bio of my life's indecisive nature. everyone has moments of this. all i can say is my intuitive strengths have told me to move to/from different cities every year (for over a decade). god knows how many jobs/ different fields of brief intense interest i thought would fulfill the inner yearning of the search for what i never seem to find. yet i always know when i arrive at a new start; it's never what i'm looking for. now, with connecting the dots of my past to david's ability to explain and provide sources, a bomb dropped in my face.
even though, i've read about this, researched, i even did that 12 question thing; it's like i'm feeling 2/3rds. i don't if that makes sense at all, but a part of me is still, i don't know...blocked?...anyways, if anyone knows anything about this write me. i'm new here. and i was compelled to join through a bizarre chain of coincidences or situations that revealed themselves the right way. thank you for listening. -h20

i dont think its just wanderer's. i dont think anyone is able to become "whole" here. my reasons are that if you found your everything here and were 100 pct satisfied, there would be nothing to get you to leave. what we are missing is "home", we know its signature though and always look for it. we know where it is and what it is, but cant get there (not done on earth yet). you cant just stop looking at it either, it always calls you. it must be persued or it will be lost (youl change your path).

the one thing we look for, is the one thing we cant have untill everyone is there. if its not "whole" neither will be the experience.

[Apophis]

i i dont think anyone is able to become "whole" here.

"i think" that one becomes "whole" when one accepts death. as you know your "spirit", your "awareness" is immortal, yet your sole and your ego are not. this means accepting that your sole and your ego will "die" according to your awareness, is the key to being "wholly" in the moment. interestingly enough, steve jobs clued me into a thought, and that thought is; if we live every day as if it is our last, we will eventually find our truth. this means, "to me", that consciously keeping in mind the idea that any moment could be our last moment on the earth, in our body, as "yourself", steers you into knowing your true desires in life. wholeness is accepting death, and living due to it.

trials, tribulations, these are all a part of life. finding the "answers" and the "guidance" to get through them, this is connecting with god (creation). you will be "whole" when you know what you are creating.... as the creator....

another way to look at this is through "karma" some people say there lives aren't "complete" until they balance there "karma". this means, "to me", that they aren't living there lives as if there lives depended on it. putting off there "karma" until there dieing day.

when you begin to drop the fear, and allow yourself to be scared, then you will find "wholeness" and completion.

this thread was started to find if wanderers have roles? and my answer is, yes, they have the same roles as everyone else upon the planet. however, the wanderers may have incites into what that role can be! wanderers have the ability to "remember" what it was like, others do not. wanderers are the trailblazers for the rest of the people. yet all people, wandering or not, must accept death to find life.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

o my, i fully agree!
the acceptance of death is exactly what an individual can achieve through the "service to others" path! and it is exactly that which will make you feel whole and able you to be harvested to the positive 4th density!
<3 wake up to the important message that apophis underlines in his post! it is the only way to grow; know that your existence never ends! you had to be somewhere to come to existence in this reality and you will be going somewhere after you exit from this reality! you will never end my dear friends!

love and light,
ra ma



"i think" that one becomes "whole" when one accepts death. as you know your "spirit", your "awareness" is immortal, yet your sole and your ego are not. this means accepting that your sole and your ego will "die" according to your awareness, is the key to being "wholly" in the moment. interestingly enough, steve jobs clued me into a thought, and that thought is; if we live every day as if it is our last, we will eventually find our truth. this means, "to me", that consciously keeping in mind the idea that any moment could be our last moment on the earth, in our body, as "yourself", steers you into knowing your true desires in life. wholeness is accepting death, and living due to it.

trials, tribulations, these are all a part of life. finding the "answers" and the "guidance" to get through them, this is connecting with god (creation). you will be "whole" when you know what you are creating.... as the creator....

another way to look at this is through "karma" some people say there lives aren't "complete" until they balance there "karma". this means, "to me", that they aren't living there lives as if there lives depended on it. putting off there "karma" until there dieing day.

when you begin to drop the fear, and allow yourself to be scared, then you will find "wholeness" and completion.

this thread was started to find if wanderers have roles? and my answer is, yes, they have the same roles as everyone else upon the planet. however, the wanderers may have incites into what that role can be! wanderers have the ability to "remember" what it was like, others do not. wanderers are the trailblazers for the rest of the people. yet all people, wandering or not, must accept death to find life.

[absul]

would another way of saying it is to become totally accepting of both negative and positive as the same thing, to be totally honest and aligned to what your heart truly wants in life, is another way of saying "inside - out" or are you literally talking about going out of body into another dimension?

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

well i was referring to the fact that we always exist because we had to come from somewhere into this reality; thus we existed somewhere before being born into this world and will exist after!
what your heart truly wants in life cannot be neutral, positive and negative at once...
that's why ultimately to move out of this organic form we must go with love,
and only after the shedding of the space/time body when the harvest from 5th to 6th density occurs then we can be neutral and at harmony... from then we will be viewing those left behind, still unbalanced and will guide them through it if they will ask us of our service! but truly, we will be only guiding ourselves, for we will be outside of time in 6d, hence the higher self!

[Apophis]

today i thought, to wonder, is to wonder. i could call myself a wonder-er.

[Sammy]

accepting death and killing ego is relinquishing wholeness. the actions and interaction done in life have a memory outside of our own. if you scratch the dirt it leaves a line. if you speak a word it leaves an echo (sound vibration). everything we have done has been a record on the blank of the earth. it is not ego but growth, we use those records to further the current record and so on.

if we found total solace in no record, then every other record would be perfect or whole the way it is, and then the growth stops. you would basicly be saying you found all the answers. we are closer but not all questions are answered, untill the final one is answered in action "whats at the end?". plus people globaly are suffering way too much for me to be fealing whole about anything.

i 100% agree with you the soul is our immortal vessel, its the power for our recording of mass. in essence its our pen to the paper we call mass. i think whats created from those two is our consciousness (control of both guiding its growth). i think the wanderers are ones who can traverse many pages, and not just thier own. thier original is known, but they arent confined to it. kind of like an actor, you can exist within anothers mind (in your mind). its all about life and death, making layers in the record and probably for the same reasons we have books... its easier to read.

one thing is for sure, its a crazy life, on a crazy planet, with crazy things going on everywhere haha.


"i think" that one becomes "whole" when one accepts death. as you know your "spirit", your "awareness" is immortal, yet your sole and your ego are not. this means accepting that your sole and your ego will "die" according to your awareness, is the key to being "wholly" in the moment. interestingly enough, steve jobs clued me into a thought, and that thought is; if we live every day as if it is our last, we will eventually find our truth. this means, "to me", that consciously keeping in mind the idea that any moment could be our last moment on the earth, in our body, as "yourself", steers you into knowing your true desires in life. wholeness is accepting death, and living due to it.

trials, tribulations, these are all a part of life. finding the "answers" and the "guidance" to get through them, this is connecting with god (creation). you will be "whole" when you know what you are creating.... as the creator....

another way to look at this is through "karma" some people say there lives aren't "complete" until they balance there "karma". this means, "to me", that they aren't living there lives as if there lives depended on it. putting off there "karma" until there dieing day.

when you begin to drop the fear, and allow yourself to be scared, then you will find "wholeness" and completion.

this thread was started to find if wanderers have roles? and my answer is, yes, they have the same roles as everyone else upon the planet. however, the wanderers may have incites into what that role can be! wanderers have the ability to "remember" what it was like, others do not. wanderers are the trailblazers for the rest of the people. yet all people, wandering or not, must accept death to find life.

[Sammy]

my thoughts seemed to have pulled me away from my original goal, which was explaining why i think we cant be whole here.

because we want to exist, we had to record (life). since a record/life started it also has to stop. equal and oppisate is universal. we live/record here, but its not our home. even if conflict is resolved the elements would still be an intrusion on wholeness. you could still trip and break a leg. ofcourse it would make recording alot easier if it was resolved.

[Apophis]

i see what you are aiming at sammy. how can we have a wholly and perfect world with all this suffering we see and experience. and i feel that many who read this post will have the same question.

first i would like to define some terms. as it seems, everywhere i look people use terms in "odd" ways.

ego - the mind, our ability to reflect on thoughts and mental constructs of the creator.
soul - the feeling, our ability to reflect on emotions and physical constructs of the creator.
spirit - the awareness, our ability to see what has been created and what shall be our creation.

wholeness comes and goes.
wholeness is when it all makes since.
wholeness is when you fully accept yourself.
wholeness is when you stop asking questions, and simply live.
wholeness is acknowledging the eventuality of death, yet being happy that you are not.

as for me, i have been told the secret to my own happiness.
and as you all will ask if i do not share, here is the secret.
in the center of your heart there is a portal to the creator. this is the connection all people look for. this is what speaks when you listen to the small humble voice inside. every living, heart beating, earth eating creature has this portal within them. this is how we are all connected. when i am in a confusing position, i remind myself that i am a portal to creation. and when i am confronted with other people who are lost, confused and broken, i silently remind myself that they are also a portal to creation. this opens a connection to that person and allows "us" as two or as a group, to embody the creator, as we are all parts of creation. to me this is wholeness, this is being an active part of the creation process, i am a co-creator!

all that being said....

sometimes we must burn ourselves to remember, respect the fire. sometimes we must feel pain in order to remember, what love is.
this is an amazing lesson! and sadly, some have taken this lesson to extremes....
some believe that when a child has not yet learned to respect fire, they should be burned.....
this is not love. this is control! we do not need control! we need love.
love is watching a child touch a hot stove. love is embracing the child and re-enforcing the lesson they had just learned.
as we know some children need to learn a lesson over and over before they really learn it.
it takes the most patient of parents to raise these types of children.
as it is the plight of the child to learn, not of the parent to teach.
when a child asks a question, it is time to answer them.
when a child is aloof, it is not the time to enslave them.
infusing fear is no longer necessary, but finding fear is.




seek the center in your heart! allow the portal of divinity to open! be one with the creator again!

[Sammy]

well being a parent i can tell you for sure, that no matter how much you tell them the fire will burn them. they are gonna still find it out the hard way, by accident or by curiosity. which was kind of my point, that fire can keep you warm but it will also burn. not fear but respect for our limits. you can easily jump out of a plane or off a cliff and live with safety devices, but those safety devices can still fail.

infact lately my son has fallen down our stairs 3 times in the past month and a half. we had trained him to use the hand rail, go slowly, and not play on them. he still whent running down em with no hands on the rail, and still will play on them regardless how much we remind him. the reason is, he hasnt learned that respect for gravity and distance. his limits havnt been refined, and they only get refined through trial and error. the mere fact of any limit means you are not whole, no matter how free we become this experience is limited compared to the whole of existance. we are contained within a vessel in any reality.

granted our limits increase daily, but respect should be given to the elements during that growth. much like grizzly man (timothy treadwell) he knew the dangers of living with those bears, it was a weighed choice because he respected the element those bears brought. he just underestimated his ego in avoiding the consequence, and with bears its a harsh trial.

[Apophis]

yes all life has limits. knowing and accepting this will bring you closer to wholeness.
to me, wholeness is being present.
i am whole when expressing from my heart, limits and all.
for, outwardly expressing the creation within, the learning loop is completed.
this does not mean my life is perfect. it only means i am present with my limits.
this to me is being whole.

[Apophis]

infact lately my son has fallen down our stairs 3 times in the past month and a half. we had trained him to use the hand rail, go slowly, and not play on them. he still whent running down em with no hands on the rail, and still will play on them regardless how much we remind him. the reason is, he hasnt learned that respect for gravity and distance. his limits havnt been refined, and they only get refined through trial and error.

i was similar to this when i was young. and looking back, in my mind i was aware of my parents wishes, but wanted to learn how to do things in my own way.
it was not that i hurt myself by intentionally ignoring my parents, but i hurt myself in learning how i wanted pursue the activity. it is almost as if i knew the rules of society but did not agree with them, and knew i could find a better way that suited me. your son is an individual, that makes me happy to hear.

i hope he will not be too much of a stress for you. i was a "late bloomer" but once i did it.... people noticed. you have many surprises in store with this little one!

much love!
-apophis

[Sammy]

yes all life has limits. knowing and accepting this will bring you closer to wholeness.
to me, wholeness is being present.
i am whole when expressing from my heart, limits and all.
for, outwardly expressing the creation within, the learning loop is completed.
this does not mean my life is perfect. it only means i am present with my limits.
this to me is being whole.

i agree with you wholeheardetly. it does bring us closer to wholeness. i just have a much different idea of "whole". even a molecule proves to me a seperation within mass. mass is collected/condenced in areas, but not a whole to its literal meaning. the only thing that i would agree is whole is the literal meaning of "everything". this would go outside of what we know and/or understand.

when applying this to a social group, to me i see those same smaller molecules of the mass in the social ladder. i would say we can only achieve our allowable wholeness (which would be our peak of connection and a great accomplishment at that). for me to say i am a whole with that existance, i would be seeing everyone acting equaly. not the same, but if someones hungry there is means for them to earn food. you know the whole "do unto others" quote.

[Sammy]

i was similar to this when i was young. and looking back, in my mind i was aware of my parents wishes, but wanted to learn how to do things in my own way.
it was not that i hurt myself by intentionally ignoring my parents, but i hurt myself in learning how i wanted pursue the activity. it is almost as if i knew the rules of society but did not agree with them, and knew i could find a better way that suited me. your son is an individual, that makes me happy to hear.

i hope he will not be too much of a stress for you. i was a "late bloomer" but once i did it.... people noticed. you have many surprises in store with this little one!

much love!
-apophis

haha he has been nothing but suprises since day one. i was a late bloomer too, i think it runs in my family. he is deffinitely a smarty. he just needs to remember not to get so excited and run down the stairs haha.

its not the rules of society that bother me as much as the abuse of its system. its like a proffit war feeding frenzy. i was disgusted when i heard the americans top 1% of of the wealthy had 30% of the money 100 years ago, and now the lower 99% of the wealthy have 30% of it. so 1% of americans have 70% of its money....

back to topic: if wanderers are mental realm adventurers, the only goal i would hope for is to help. then the question would be is, "are things like demons from them or from ourself?".

[Apophis]

i see where we differ.

let us put it this way; on a hot summer day when you are playing with your son, and you are blowing bubbles in your back yard, think of the dynamics of the bubbles floating through the air. a bubble is simply air contained within a soapy film. the bubble floats along for a while and then *pop* it's gone. and the air contained within is released back into the atmosphere. you say the air is whole when it is free from the bubble. i say the air is still whole inside the bubble, just not freely connected with the rest of the atmosphere. the air still exists while in containment, it is simply, playfully separated, for a while.

it would be interesting to see a doughnut bubble? i wonder if it's ever been done?
in looking at that idea.... there would simultaneously be air contained within the doughnut bubble, and air freely moving "through" the "doughnut hole" of the doughnut bubble.
but i guess it's all "up in the air" at this point.

sammy you are a good person with a good heart. thank you for expressing yourself!
i see that you are in portland, maybe the next time i am in that neck of the woods we can get together for a chat?

anyhow, yes back topic.


if wanderers are mental realm adventurers, the only goal i would hope for is to help.

as we learn what our gift as "mental realm adventurers" is, we also learn how we can best help. the ways we see the world are meant to be shared. may times it is the challenge of finding the courage to express ourselves to people who may not quite get it. it's the challenge of fine tuning our communication skills, so that the layman can follow our thoughts. divinity is showing you a picture, can you describe it to a blind man?


then the question would be is, "are things like demons from them or from ourself?".

this is quite a "loaded question"
a "demon" is simply a part of awareness that has not gotten any "enlightened" attention. people often speak of "fighting their demons" when i hear this, it tells me, they are fighting to continue to ignore a part of themselves that seeks attention and healing. ignoring the parts of you that are seeking help and healing simply makes them bigger and sicker. one major challenge in life is to "face our demons" this means to heal the parts of ourselves that are broken and sick. it's a nasty job but "someone" meaning you, has to do it. many times we like to shift blame onto others. in this way we take our own "demons" and plaster them onto someone. then we are free to "hate" that person and what the represent to us. but in doing so, this only reinforces that action that the other person is expressing as "our painted on demon" as was said earlier in this thread; it is the plight of the child to learn, not of the parent to teach. furthermore, in this way, we can explain why an extra-terrestrial race has not stepped in and "fixed" all of our problems. it is not there job to teach us! it is our job to learn!

so to conclude this post i will say; cast not our shadows unto others, and then blame them for being in the dark. take responsibility, of your own ability, to "block out the sun"

i love you
i am sorry
please forgive me
and thank you

namaste
-apophis

[Sammy]

thank you adophis for your kind words! i enjoy these types of discussions probably too much. if you havnt been to portland or the nw you should deffinitely do so!

with the demon thing i was meaning that sort of circumstance. i agree with your description, i was meaning the fact it happens. is it an internal source, or is it something done to us in that case (it has to come from somewhere). a sort of push to see there is something else within yourself.

im not sure how different we are, but my mind comes up with things i cant even believe. im not sure if the add or the dyslexia but thoughts crank constantly. it was actualy a very hard time groing up and trying to sleep, cause my brain wont shut off.

like with your bubble story, i could barely read what i was reading cause my brain was instantly picturing the transferance taking place (i did reread it haha). the lungs retracting and displacing the air, and then contricting at an accelarated rate of replacement. the soap and mechanism react to this force wanting to follow the current, but with a weaker density. then eventualy returns to its normal structural integrity (pops). the space stayed the same, just the density and mixture of molecules within that field had shifted thier placement.

[Apophis]

i am hearing information that leads me to believe, the type of people who had a lot of trouble sleeping, especially in there younger years, are actually fine tuned antenna for extra-dimensional communication. when the "brain wont shut off" it means there is a station that is not coming in very clearly and you are attempting to tune it. eventually we figure out the correct tuning or we ignore it until it shuts off.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

apophis,
you figured me out, i have nothing more to hide!
wonderful observation my friend, straight on target!

that was my childhood in a glimpse, i figures out a correct tuning, but my sister shut it off. but now with these new changes in the world she is beginning to believe once again! :d

love and light
ra ma

[Rachael5922]

thank you for the link that is awesome!

[dkom68]

Thank you Dihlon!
"quietly add our uniquiness" helped me see somthing in myself ...ive needed to see, for a long time! Why do I feel such calling to be used in some "special way"?...ego... I love you guys!!! Dihlon thank you... you really don't know how long I've sought an answer to the question! decades!!! and the whole time ...LOL

Wisdom, realizing how much you don't know...annonymous

[Dihlon]

Thank you Dihlon!
"quietly add our uniquiness" helped me see somthing in myself ...ive needed to see, for a long time! Why do I feel such calling to be used in some "special way"?...ego... I love you guys!!! Dihlon thank you... you really don't know how long I've sought an answer to the question! decades!!! and the whole time ...LOL

Wisdom, realizing how much you don't know...annonymous

Your welcome! It was so long ago(it seems)when I wrote that, I had to go back a reread it!

I battled that same sense of ego and specialness, and continue to do so, even now. This temptation will always be used to disarm us and make us useless by the "opposition." What has helped me is my studies in astrology, numerology and anything else I can find to help explain the mystery of just who I am. The more I learn, the less I know. ;-D

One thing that comes to me whenever I am on the verge of receiving recognition or acclaim is something I read about my life path in numerology. I'm on an 11 life path, and part of being on that path is the admonition to be "humble in the limelight." My Pluto placement is also on the first degree of Virgo. The Sabian Symbol for that degree is: "IN A PORTRAIT THE BEST OF A MAN'S TRAITS ARE IDEALIZED." Dane Rudhyar comments on this degree, "The shaping power of idea or ideal over outer form and behavior. Completeness of realization. Pure aggrandizement. Intent."

By way of explanation. The symbol of Pluto, astrologically, is the condition of the soul upon incarnation. This was taught to me by Jeffery Wolf Green. A reluctant and highly gifted astrologer whom I had the singular pleasure to learn from. The symbol of Pluto can also show us what we are here to accomplish in any particular life experience. Now, having said that, here is another expression of the same Sabian Symbol by the author of those symbols, Marc Edmond Jones, "The keyword is CHARACTER. When positive, the degree is an effective self-assurance and an ever-clear vision of each emerging opportunity in life, and when negative, inordinate vanity and a consistent overestimation of individual capacities."

I've taken this time pointing out these particular personal revelations to make this point.

As we awaken to the realization to the possibility of being a Wanderer, there will continually be the questioning within ourselves about manifesting on this third dimensional plane of existence, a life that is acceptable and "expected" by those within this particular construct, or, maintaining our vision of what we have come to understand about ourselves, detaching emotionally from the pull of third dimensional density and the "need" to "fit in." The steady pressure put upon us by everything that moves about us to conform and blend in. Well, blending in(so to speak)is not really such a bad idea, on the surface. I mean, we all have to maintain something of the semblance of a life here. However, as the knowledge of what our "particular uniqueness" becomes more and more apparent to us, we will also manifest that knowledge outwardly, within this construct. It is important for us to trust who we are, accept what we are learning about why we are here and what we are to do. Whether that be something on a global, public scale, or something of a more "humble" expression(as those in 3D experience it).

It has been said by someone who gave us the handbook on how to walk within this existence, "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents and harmless as doves. But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils and they will scourge you in their synagogues; and ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them. . ."

Now, that's pressure! But I point this out because, potentially, we all could face this same kind of public pressure if we continually align ourselves with who we truly are. As this light grows within us, eventually, we "may" attract attention. Therefore, be humble in the limelight.
"And when ye come into a house, salute it. And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. And whosoever shall not receive you nor bear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them."

Blessed Be within the journey!