Clark stewart
01-22-2001, 01:09 PM
just to rectify the vibe that may have off set some of you..
"were there no potential for misunderstanding and therefore, understanding,
there would be no experience."
yes it is a ra qoute that i pulled out of's scott's book, "universal
vision"..it came at just the right time, and i sent this to dw just to make
sure he got..so be at peace yall, it's for the greater good we have these
distortions..
in l/l,
c
>
> thanks for all the great suggestions from everyone. it really is
>quite exciting when the discussion that takes place here has a personal
>effect on your life. i wish i could have thanked everyone sooner, but the
>email server is being moronic.
> i have not read any dm (on matters dealing with acronyms of names and
>abbreviated typing, i yield to fudo - the recognized authority). however,
>it seems to keep being shoved in my face. this may be a sign. one thing's
>for sure - the importance of meditation and meditating well is not going to
>diminish in the coming years, and the different perspectives we all bring
>to this dialogue can only help make us better spiritual citizens. so
>thanks again to david and all those who have helped me with love and
>guidance.
> i'm sorry that this thread took a turn towards, well, a more negative
>tone. i know that i get major negative vibes whenever there is an attack
>upon something that is dear to another's heart, no matter what the reason.
>there's got to be a way that we can have a discussion on this list without
>reverting to fallen behavioral patterns of attack / defend. although that
>pattern is the norm for most internet discussion lists (trust me on that
>one :-) we should strive to break the mold.
> i just get a panicky little anxious feeling whenever we're telling
>people that what they believe is wrong. if we're gonna be left-brained
>about the whole mess, we might as well revert to "logical positivism" and
>give up looking for anything beyond that. part of being beyond that is
>realizing that the whole story is not always known or knowable. part of
>where we're at is about trusting people to be masters of themselves. part
>of it is about admitting our own fallibility. a big part of it is about
>faith in that which we hold as the essence and foundation of everything we
>believe in (and argue over). as over-emotional and cliche as it sounds, we
>really do have infinitely more in common than different. (c'mon, dubya's in
>office now; he's a uniter, not a divider <lol>).
> c'mon. we're all charting unknown waters here - and given that
>universal fact, we can cut each other a little slack, can't we? until the
>next episode...
> in love and light,
> jeremy
> ----- original message -----
> from: david wilcock
> to: asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=eefwnt_jrdprwqhygbyylz59dgreztp-8ygd6ove8rpyfnffesbxqp9m6rnlxss8bwr-wprljukr)
> sent: friday, january 19, 2001 7:37 pm
> subject: re: [asc2k] meditation suggestions
>
>
> i had a conversation with christopher naughton, metaphysical radio talk
>show host, recently, and he said that the work of lazaris associated the
>"ear blast" with psychic sensitivity. specifically, he said that the
>temporal lobes of the brain become far more able to resonate with and sense
>minute changes in electromagnetic energy. i have noticed that there are
>times where it seems to happen as a result of an outside physical energy
>and not just spiritually-related events.
>
> as per the melchizedek (bernard perona) data it is fun to read as
>fantasy but completely unsubstantiated by anything other than his own
>channeling. show me david suzuki's own published papers, please, and let me
>decide for myself instead of believing. and i find it very interesting that
>almost as soon as he started channeling in 1972, he predicted the end of
>the world only a few months away that august. naturally when this didn't
>happen he channeled that into the model as well. as ra says, when negative
>entities go online in a positive channel the first thing they will do is
>give messages of doom that do not come true and thus delegitimize the
>channel. case in point.
>
> the various money-making schemes and duplicity that mr. perona has
>indulged in, especially in the last five years, are totally obvious signs
>of negative entity influence for self-aggrandizement. i know of many people
>who have turned away in the last few years from all involvement with him.
>these lies have earned him widespread condemnation from the metaphysical
>community and, you will notice, a total lockout from all the big-named
>international talk radio circuits.
>
> (i was disappointed that laura lee did an entire show with him about his
>"miracle" ascension water that "slices, dices and heals the planet in a
>jiffy!" you remember, right? "just a few drops will completely depollute an
>entire lake..." et cetera. and what happens if you drink the formula
>"specially formulated for the human body?" "well," says mr. perona, "that's
>the most exciting part but it's classified and i can't discuss it in public
>-- yet." the whole thing turned out to be a fake but not before many people
>bought literally 700-dollar vials of water thinking it would make them
>ascend.)
>
> i don't dislike him or anyone else as a person, and yes the two books of
>his are actually fairly decent, but there are some highly significant
>problems with his teachings that are not difficult to find.
>
> the only part of those two mailings that might have a possibility of
>being true in my eyes is the idea that artificial objects may not hold
>their matter frequency after the shift. but even that is a big stretch and
>does not conform with most other data points that indicate many artifacts
>from our world that will be rediscovered later.
>
> i know that ra's information seems just as "out there" but unlike mr.
>perona, all the channelings are freely available and they predicted many
>concrete scientific facts well before their official discoveries, as i will
>discuss in convergence iii. and l/l research has never veered from the
>positive polarity or tried to manipulate their readers in any way.
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david
> ----- original message -----
> from: clark stewart
> to: asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=eefwnt_jrdprwqhygbyylz59dgreztp-8ygd6ove8rpyfnffesbxqp9m6rnlxss8bwr-wprljukr)
> sent: friday, january 19, 2001 5:40 pm
> subject: re: [asc2k] meditation suggestions
>
>
> oh the ear buzzing, dw would know more than i, but it is assciated
>with
> overtone harmonics, and can be used for intuitional nudges..it has do
>with a
> deep sense of peace, that consists of bi-locational atomic bleed
>through..
> i am thinking about as a stimulation of a certain gland that may or
>may not
> be in this bio-shell but a parallel one..
> and the bleed through connects some of our glands, maybe pineal, and
> radiates outward from what seems to be a center pt. and reacts with
> something in the ears...it is like for me a dog whistle is going off,
>except
> for humans..
> i think of it as "spidy sences"..laughs..
> your on the rt track..your parents come from a different node of
> exsistance..no biggy, most of 'ours' do..
> any other comments , for this is just theoretical..?
>
> c
>
> >from: "jeremy weiland" <jweiland@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=zfugi9m4gz4vu5nlamfzzkfrmkscdsevadqayn fyvjfjouyyflusmvfifity4dna2o_spykfdxz_u9uqyaw)>
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> >subject: [asc2k] meditation suggestions
> >date: fri, 19 jan 2001 23:22:02 -0500
> >
> >hope everyone's doing alright!
> >
> >got a question for ya, in two parts.
> >
> >1. do you have any suggestions for establishing a daily meditation
> >routine? or, more importantly, how to go about the meditation
>process
> >(i.e. what works for you, good things to think about / concentrate
>on, body
> >position, etc.). i know i'm a perfectionist about this and always
>have to
> >do it "by the book" but i get a warm fuzzy feeling from hearing how
>other
> >people do this. i have a hard time with breathing regularly and
>swallowing
> >- i get so "still" that i forget to breathe, and once i remember i've
>lost
> >my concentration. any suggestions?
> >
> >2. frequently when i meditate (especially while laying in bed)
>when i
> >get deep into it, i find that my whole body gets a really wierd
>tingly
> >feeling, which is cool. it is however a sort of problem since the
>only way
> >to describe it is that my entire body feels "charged" like i'm a
>human
> >capacitor for virginia power. many times i also hear ringing in the
>ears.
> >it can be slightly uncomfortable at times and used to scare the
>beegeebies
> >out of me. although i've been dealing with it in my meditation, it
>is sort
> >of distracting b/c it is not neccessarily a relaxing feeling, if you
>know
> >what i mean.
> > my question is, is there a way i should be using this energy, or
>is
> >this a desirable feeling? is this energy coming in or stored energy
>(i.e.
> >stress that needs to be released)?does anyone know what i'm talking
>about?
> >my parents have been meditating for a while but they don't seem to
> >recognize what i'm talking about. i got the idea yesterday to ask
>the
> >group about this.
> >
> > the cool thing is that, after my meditation last night when i
>was
> >"charged" i had a series of dreams, and i only remembered the last
>one
> >completely but it was really cool, involving me spacewalking and
>robots and
> >falling through the atmosphere. the most uplifting thing that has
>happened
> >all year so far.
> >
> > oh, one other thing: anyone have any info on whether may 5, 2001
>is
> >important?
> >
> > take care,
> > jeremy
>
>
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"were there no potential for misunderstanding and therefore, understanding,
there would be no experience."
yes it is a ra qoute that i pulled out of's scott's book, "universal
vision"..it came at just the right time, and i sent this to dw just to make
sure he got..so be at peace yall, it's for the greater good we have these
distortions..
in l/l,
c
>
> thanks for all the great suggestions from everyone. it really is
>quite exciting when the discussion that takes place here has a personal
>effect on your life. i wish i could have thanked everyone sooner, but the
>email server is being moronic.
> i have not read any dm (on matters dealing with acronyms of names and
>abbreviated typing, i yield to fudo - the recognized authority). however,
>it seems to keep being shoved in my face. this may be a sign. one thing's
>for sure - the importance of meditation and meditating well is not going to
>diminish in the coming years, and the different perspectives we all bring
>to this dialogue can only help make us better spiritual citizens. so
>thanks again to david and all those who have helped me with love and
>guidance.
> i'm sorry that this thread took a turn towards, well, a more negative
>tone. i know that i get major negative vibes whenever there is an attack
>upon something that is dear to another's heart, no matter what the reason.
>there's got to be a way that we can have a discussion on this list without
>reverting to fallen behavioral patterns of attack / defend. although that
>pattern is the norm for most internet discussion lists (trust me on that
>one :-) we should strive to break the mold.
> i just get a panicky little anxious feeling whenever we're telling
>people that what they believe is wrong. if we're gonna be left-brained
>about the whole mess, we might as well revert to "logical positivism" and
>give up looking for anything beyond that. part of being beyond that is
>realizing that the whole story is not always known or knowable. part of
>where we're at is about trusting people to be masters of themselves. part
>of it is about admitting our own fallibility. a big part of it is about
>faith in that which we hold as the essence and foundation of everything we
>believe in (and argue over). as over-emotional and cliche as it sounds, we
>really do have infinitely more in common than different. (c'mon, dubya's in
>office now; he's a uniter, not a divider <lol>).
> c'mon. we're all charting unknown waters here - and given that
>universal fact, we can cut each other a little slack, can't we? until the
>next episode...
> in love and light,
> jeremy
> ----- original message -----
> from: david wilcock
> to: asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=eefwnt_jrdprwqhygbyylz59dgreztp-8ygd6ove8rpyfnffesbxqp9m6rnlxss8bwr-wprljukr)
> sent: friday, january 19, 2001 7:37 pm
> subject: re: [asc2k] meditation suggestions
>
>
> i had a conversation with christopher naughton, metaphysical radio talk
>show host, recently, and he said that the work of lazaris associated the
>"ear blast" with psychic sensitivity. specifically, he said that the
>temporal lobes of the brain become far more able to resonate with and sense
>minute changes in electromagnetic energy. i have noticed that there are
>times where it seems to happen as a result of an outside physical energy
>and not just spiritually-related events.
>
> as per the melchizedek (bernard perona) data it is fun to read as
>fantasy but completely unsubstantiated by anything other than his own
>channeling. show me david suzuki's own published papers, please, and let me
>decide for myself instead of believing. and i find it very interesting that
>almost as soon as he started channeling in 1972, he predicted the end of
>the world only a few months away that august. naturally when this didn't
>happen he channeled that into the model as well. as ra says, when negative
>entities go online in a positive channel the first thing they will do is
>give messages of doom that do not come true and thus delegitimize the
>channel. case in point.
>
> the various money-making schemes and duplicity that mr. perona has
>indulged in, especially in the last five years, are totally obvious signs
>of negative entity influence for self-aggrandizement. i know of many people
>who have turned away in the last few years from all involvement with him.
>these lies have earned him widespread condemnation from the metaphysical
>community and, you will notice, a total lockout from all the big-named
>international talk radio circuits.
>
> (i was disappointed that laura lee did an entire show with him about his
>"miracle" ascension water that "slices, dices and heals the planet in a
>jiffy!" you remember, right? "just a few drops will completely depollute an
>entire lake..." et cetera. and what happens if you drink the formula
>"specially formulated for the human body?" "well," says mr. perona, "that's
>the most exciting part but it's classified and i can't discuss it in public
>-- yet." the whole thing turned out to be a fake but not before many people
>bought literally 700-dollar vials of water thinking it would make them
>ascend.)
>
> i don't dislike him or anyone else as a person, and yes the two books of
>his are actually fairly decent, but there are some highly significant
>problems with his teachings that are not difficult to find.
>
> the only part of those two mailings that might have a possibility of
>being true in my eyes is the idea that artificial objects may not hold
>their matter frequency after the shift. but even that is a big stretch and
>does not conform with most other data points that indicate many artifacts
>from our world that will be rediscovered later.
>
> i know that ra's information seems just as "out there" but unlike mr.
>perona, all the channelings are freely available and they predicted many
>concrete scientific facts well before their official discoveries, as i will
>discuss in convergence iii. and l/l research has never veered from the
>positive polarity or tried to manipulate their readers in any way.
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david
> ----- original message -----
> from: clark stewart
> to: asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=eefwnt_jrdprwqhygbyylz59dgreztp-8ygd6ove8rpyfnffesbxqp9m6rnlxss8bwr-wprljukr)
> sent: friday, january 19, 2001 5:40 pm
> subject: re: [asc2k] meditation suggestions
>
>
> oh the ear buzzing, dw would know more than i, but it is assciated
>with
> overtone harmonics, and can be used for intuitional nudges..it has do
>with a
> deep sense of peace, that consists of bi-locational atomic bleed
>through..
> i am thinking about as a stimulation of a certain gland that may or
>may not
> be in this bio-shell but a parallel one..
> and the bleed through connects some of our glands, maybe pineal, and
> radiates outward from what seems to be a center pt. and reacts with
> something in the ears...it is like for me a dog whistle is going off,
>except
> for humans..
> i think of it as "spidy sences"..laughs..
> your on the rt track..your parents come from a different node of
> exsistance..no biggy, most of 'ours' do..
> any other comments , for this is just theoretical..?
>
> c
>
> >from: "jeremy weiland" <jweiland@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=zfugi9m4gz4vu5nlamfzzkfrmkscdsevadqayn fyvjfjouyyflusmvfifity4dna2o_spykfdxz_u9uqyaw)>
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> >to: "asc2kgroup" <asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=eefwnt_jrdprwqhygbyylz59dgreztp-8ygd6ove8rpyfnffesbxqp9m6rnlxss8bwr-wprljukr)>
> >subject: [asc2k] meditation suggestions
> >date: fri, 19 jan 2001 23:22:02 -0500
> >
> >hope everyone's doing alright!
> >
> >got a question for ya, in two parts.
> >
> >1. do you have any suggestions for establishing a daily meditation
> >routine? or, more importantly, how to go about the meditation
>process
> >(i.e. what works for you, good things to think about / concentrate
>on, body
> >position, etc.). i know i'm a perfectionist about this and always
>have to
> >do it "by the book" but i get a warm fuzzy feeling from hearing how
>other
> >people do this. i have a hard time with breathing regularly and
>swallowing
> >- i get so "still" that i forget to breathe, and once i remember i've
>lost
> >my concentration. any suggestions?
> >
> >2. frequently when i meditate (especially while laying in bed)
>when i
> >get deep into it, i find that my whole body gets a really wierd
>tingly
> >feeling, which is cool. it is however a sort of problem since the
>only way
> >to describe it is that my entire body feels "charged" like i'm a
>human
> >capacitor for virginia power. many times i also hear ringing in the
>ears.
> >it can be slightly uncomfortable at times and used to scare the
>beegeebies
> >out of me. although i've been dealing with it in my meditation, it
>is sort
> >of distracting b/c it is not neccessarily a relaxing feeling, if you
>know
> >what i mean.
> > my question is, is there a way i should be using this energy, or
>is
> >this a desirable feeling? is this energy coming in or stored energy
>(i.e.
> >stress that needs to be released)?does anyone know what i'm talking
>about?
> >my parents have been meditating for a while but they don't seem to
> >recognize what i'm talking about. i got the idea yesterday to ask
>the
> >group about this.
> >
> > the cool thing is that, after my meditation last night when i
>was
> >"charged" i had a series of dreams, and i only remembered the last
>one
> >completely but it was really cool, involving me spacewalking and
>robots and
> >falling through the atmosphere. the most uplifting thing that has
>happened
> >all year so far.
> >
> > oh, one other thing: anyone have any info on whether may 5, 2001
>is
> >important?
> >
> > take care,
> > jeremy
>
>
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