What is service to self? How to stay on the right path? [Archive]

alchemikey

02-20-2008, 10:05 AM

i am pretty sure ra said that the majority of the population will be repeating 3rd density on another planet for they said there are few to harvest but that was 25 years ago and i think the climate has shifted since then...i feel that people are waking up daily around world to the idea of oneness and so i still have hope that we can all point the compass in one direction

about being on the right track, i don't think we will know where we are as far as percentages until we walk into the light...here is a quote from ra about service to self that might help

"Questioner: I’m trying to understand how a group such as the Orion group would progress. How it would be possible, if you were in the Orion group, and pointed toward self-service, to progress from our third density to the fourth. What learning would be necessary for that?

Ra: I am Ra. This is the last question of length for this instrument at this time.

You will recall that we went into some detail as to how those not oriented towards seeking service for others yet, nevertheless, found and could use the gateway to intelligent infinity. This is true at all densities in our octave. We cannot speak for those above us, as you would say, in the next quantum or octave of beingness. This is, however, true of this octave of density. The beings are harvested because they can see and enjoy the light/love of the appropriate density. Those who have found this light/love, love/light without benefit of a desire for service to others nevertheless, by the Law of Free Will, have the right to the use of that light/love for whatever purpose. Also, it may be inserted that there are systems of study which enable the seeker of separation to gain these gateways.

This study is as difficult as the one which we have described to you, but there are those with the perseverance to pursue the study just as you desire to pursue the difficult path of seeking to know in order to serve. The distortion lies in the effect that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve others is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One."

peace,
mikey

SuperManny

02-20-2008, 04:47 PM

soup

02-21-2008, 09:24 AM

meganarline

02-21-2008, 03:48 PM

I'd be all over that idea soup. We should all give it some thought see what we can come up with.

Megan

twva

02-21-2008, 03:59 PM

The question is, what would we ask for help with?

My vote: help us bring about the fine, strong moment of inspiration in which our planet polarizes toward harmony. Help our peoples choose a future of peace, love, light, and joy. Help us remember the infinite possibilities of the present moment, even if and when the dark seems to be rising.
We may note at this point while you ponder the possibility/probability vortices that although you have many, many items which cause distress and thus offer seeking and service opportunities, there is always one container in that store of peace, love, light, and joy. This vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment. Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.

onething

02-21-2008, 09:28 PM

The beings are harvested because they can see and enjoy the light/love of the appropriate density. Those who have found this light/love, love/light without benefit of a desire for service to others nevertheless, by the Law of Free Will, have the right to the use of that light/love for whatever purpose.

Problem is, I can't picture what that means for a negatively oriented person.

What is this mechanism of squares? If we call for help, would we try to coordinate it timewise?

My focus these days is on deception. I am perturbed by the way my inner landscape is if anything increasingly happy and positive, but yet my perception of the amount of deception with evil/greedy intent in the world is growing to the point that, oh, I don't know, it's just a bit shocking.

So I'm all for more people seeing through it.

SuperManny

02-21-2008, 09:37 PM

I have an idea - the small number in this group could "call" the Council or Confederation or some other helpful social complex, we could call for help repeatedly, in hope of using the mechanism of squares or something together with our congruent request. The question is, what would we ask for help with? I wonder if we could come to a consensus in a way that may make some small difference.You can certainly count me in, since I already do this on a daily basis. I believe in asking as a spiritual discipline, so I ask often, and I ask as many angels, guides, teachers, ascended masters, (yes, even Ra) as I can think of, for whatever I can think of. And when I can't think of anything else, I simply ask to learn whatever I need to learn so I can graduate when the opportunity comes.

onething

02-21-2008, 09:41 PM

Somehow I feel the need to clarify what I just wrote.

What is giving me cognitive dissonance is that my increased awareness of the evilness of the whole societal setup is happening at the same time that I see actual, other people, as truly good and pure.

Maybe it's like making butter, you just shake it and shake it and its all one mass, then it starts to get a little puffy and different, and suddenly - butter and buttermilk are separated from each other.

meganarline

02-22-2008, 05:28 AM

If we are serious about doing this should we have a new thread for it? I think TWVA's question is a perfect one!

As for the law of squares here is a bunch of info regarding.

"7.1 Questioner: You mentioned that there were a number of members of the Confederation of Planets. What avenues of service, or types of service, are available to the members of the Confederation?

Ra: I am Ra. I am assuming that you intend the service which we of the Confederation can offer, rather than the service which is available to our use.

The service available for our offering to those who call us is equivalent to the square of the distortion/need of that calling divided by, or integrated with, the basic Law of One in its distortion indicating the free will of those who are not aware of the unity of creation.

Category: Confederation of Planets

7.2 Questioner: From this, I am assuming that the difficulty that you have in contacting this planet at this time is the mixture of people here, some being aware of the unity, and some not, and for this reason you cannot come openly or give proof of your contact. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. As we just repeated through this instrument, we must integrate all of the portions of your social memory complex in its illusory disintegration form. Then the product of this can be seen as the limit of our ability to serve. We are fortunate that the Law of Service squares the desires of those who call. Otherwise, we would have no beingness in this time/space at this present continuum of the illusion. In short, you are basically correct. The thought of not being able is not a part of our basic thought-form complex towards your peoples, but rather it is a maximal consideration of what is possible.

Category: Confederation of Planets

7.3 Questioner: By squared, do you mean that if ten people call you can count that, when comparing it to the planetary ratio, as 100 people, squaring ten and getting 100?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The square is sequential-one, two, three, four, each squared by the next number.

Category: Miscellanea: Law of Squares (Doubling)

7.4 Questioner: If only ten entities on earth required your services how would you compute their calling by using this square method?

Ra: I am Ra. We would square one ten sequential times, raising the number to the tenth square.

Category: Miscellanea: Law of Squares (Doubling)

7.5 Questioner: What would be the result of this calculation?

Ra: I am Ra. The result is difficult to transmit. It is 1,012, approximately. The entities who call are sometimes not totally unified in their calling and, thus, the squaring slightly less. Thus, there is a statistical loss over a period of call. However, perhaps you may see by this statistically corrected information the squaring mechanism."

Imagine if we get even a few hundred of us calling???:)

I wonder if "harvest" is a mechanism that works across densities, that some of the 4d'r could actually move to the planet Venus for 5d work. Apparently if one reaches intelligent infinity, then there's a choice of when they're harvested - if only we could reach out there somehow.

I have an idea - the small number in this group could "call" the Council or Confederation or some other helpful social complex, we could call for help repeatedly, in hope of using the mechanism of squares or something together with our congruent request. The question is, what would we ask for help with? I wonder if we could come to a consensus in a way that may make some small difference.

soup

Art

02-22-2008, 05:43 AM

I wonder if "harvest" is a mechanism that works across densities, that some of the 4d'r could actually move to the planet Venus for 5d work. Apparently if one reaches intelligent infinity, then there's a choice of when they're harvested - if only we could reach out there somehow.

I have an idea - the small number in this group could "call" the Council or Confederation or some other helpful social complex, we could call for help repeatedly, in hope of using the mechanism of squares or something together with our congruent request. The question is, what would we ask for help with? I wonder if we could come to a consensus in a way that may make some small difference.

soup

Sounds good soup! I toyed with the idea of meditating when the LL Research group does (9 AM EST I believe?), however, my schedule does not permit this (I'm in class teaching at this time). So, finding a time is likely to be a small roadblock.

I'll have to take some time today and ponder your question. In my opinion, there are enough of "us" (awakened souls) to tilt the balance (Maharishi effect - square root of 1%), but just how do we go about doing it. And yes, to achieve this, we all need to be "on the same page".

When contemplating such a venture, I tend to follow the KISS principle - Keep It Simple Stupid! :D In other words, my initial thoughts would be asking for assistance in forming our Social Memory Complex. We won't all fall under a "set" of "beliefs" but will all contribute to this creation.

Art

vithar

02-22-2008, 08:17 AM

isn't earther groups calling out old hat? we may tend to be scattered but we've been calling out for a heckuava long time. isn't there a site on the links page about this very attempt? this took place last year.

we need a global network of folks who can get to proper grid points at specific times. like the dark side does apparently.

{was wondering about the morphogenetic fields. the old monkey and potato trick... this phenomenon must have serious limitations. otherwise we'd all be insanely talented individuals.}

who's to say that your (individualized) body is all you and your very own? perhaps in self service you are doing all the organisms in your body service. doh!
what about doing nothing about slaughter houses? or not filling up your home with homeless folks? extremes?
this is like karma again, apparently. it's what we make it.

(nevertheless), i'd like a bumper sticker that says something to the effect; if we Are our brother's keeper, then some people are truly f---ed.

soup

02-23-2008, 08:28 AM

vithar

02-24-2008, 08:12 AM

fine with me. i've been wanting this for years. tho with me and the other groups it was in trying to (re) establish contact with old pagan deities.

we could check planetary configurations. i was using J. Liswiewski's "kabbalistic cycles'" system based on planetary days and hours. perhaps deciding on basic alignments is better.

and maybe it's moot for this kinda thing. if it is, i really do wonder about traditional ceremonial magick.

what we do need is specifics. and a focus aide.

i forgot to post this in another thread. what about the ninja group who can send thoughtform bombs up (the silver cord) to higher selves to then explode!?? my wily shadow had to get that out for some reason. i'm scared to post this as it was 11:11 when i wrote it.
this is alchemy.....i don't mean any harm to anyone. i wish the best in goodness for all.

soup

02-24-2008, 02:04 PM

...what we do need is specifics. and a focus aide. ..

When I was pondering this yesterday, the sri yantra symbol came to mind, also the winged disc, so I propose these as a possible focus aid. I'm interested what others come up with in this regard, and hope we may come to some consensus that might help us all in this effort - something that unifies the effort, please share ideas if you have them. thanks.

soup

vithar

02-25-2008, 07:20 AM

i like the yantra. how about a swastika? no.

not to stack the plate to high, but we should fashion a sigil specifically for this.

then perhaps use the yanta as a base. but there's all kinds of yantras for specific use. i take it that the sri yantra represents the general cosmic vibe/process. the tetrahedron. a good base.

perhaps you could write out the specific statement? i could perhaps transpose it into a hebraic gematric number code. doh! seriously tho. it's not hard...the only if is whether to include vowels. i say why the hell not.

also, we should find someone with a nice chi device. or we could all make a copy and place it on or near a chi source. like the body or even a tree.

....hmmm, maybe we could add the clause; {vol 1 section 3 paragraph 4a line 76} "our unified consciousness over rules all (inhibiting) astrological forces!!"

anyway, we need to have a set place here in the forum or someplace so we have a better chance in keeping it going, for however long. maybe admin could make a special page at the site? if it's just a forum thread it might not have that special feel... just some unique page for the intent and glyph.

hope i can remember what thread This is in? the notification feature does'nt work, on this end.

billybobbutterball

02-25-2008, 03:42 PM

Hi, All is One:)

The idea of organizing an effort directed to the sending out of a continuous, virtual invitational open-letter "call for help" to the Cosmos, scares me a bunch.

Hmmm. Who out there will be happy to oblige us? Yeah, I can think of one:the Crusaders from Orion; they would gleefully respond to our naive invitation for someone to "help" set us on the right spiritual path. :eek:

Let's take a look at the general types who might be interested in the two-legged, upright denizens of Gaia. I've read that they can be roughly divided into three types, The (good?) Shepards: who consider us their owned flock to be guided around then sheared; The Parents: Those coming across like stage mothers who want to manage our affairs in order to keep us out of trouble -- who stunt our growth by keeping us contained along the straight and narrow; The Mentors: those like the Ra -- who don't want to interfere by doing the job for us -- They help in an indirect manner by giving us stimulating philosophical concepts up to the point of but not violating the Law of Confusion. (free will) It seems that they want contacts who will maintain a healthy, "Let ME do it Mommy!" attitude :D

So, just how do we carefully fashion our call for help? Do we place our call specifically to only those complexes holding to the Christ Principle, and who can help without screwing up the path designed by the One Creator? (Of course where do we get off questioning the sloggedly path that we are actually trodding right now???gets confuseder and confusedererer. :confused:

In a related manner, the use of tools and specal techniques in order to leapfrog the normal order of experiential process and jump ahead to wedge ourselves into higher spiritual experiences, is not universally considered a good idea by such as The RA and associates. I've got conditioning Cd's and brain sychronizers and brain signal splitters and color strobes and, and..etc.
But now it seems most likely that using such gross, brain-intruding devices may be counter-productive.

Here is a loosely related item I've extracted fro the LLResearch transcript of June 21st 1989. I think it resonates in places.

SNIP
There is that among your people which is called ambition. Perhaps the most destructive of ambitions is the ambition to save the physical world. There are many who fall from a very high state of consciousness because they are not content with working with one person at a time, but rather wish to manipulate the entire planet for its entire good. We do not have this bias. We simply ask you to evaluate carefully whether you have learned the lesson that this difficulty has given. When you have learned that lesson, you will feel a peace and a release from the situation.

Turning to those about you for help will inevitably confuse. Yet, each person may have something interesting to say. It is always well to listen, for after all, all have opinions, just as we do. But in our way of thinking, we would simply suggest that in this very difficult illusion the main focus be upon centering oneself in love and acting out of love rather than reacting out of negative emotion. If in your evaluation of yourself you find that this is completely impossible, it is then time to attempt communication to work such difficulties out.

SNIP

We ask only that you remember at all times that you are choosing as Christ would choose, that your mind is the mind of Christ, and if your willfulness moves your mind instead of your mind your will, you have put the cart before the horse, and you will go nowhere. Therefore, sit in silence and patience day after day, week after week, and allow the process of acceleration of growth spiritually to occur in a natural manner. When you receive an impression as to what would be well to be done, act upon it in a loving and compassionate manner, for truly you are dealing, no matter how else it may seem, with yourself, with the Creator.

SNIP

Love, regards, best wishes, billybutterblob

meganarline

02-25-2008, 05:37 PM

Don't want to ruffle any butterblobs, but I was just wondering what you make of the following :)

"Category: Confederation of Planets

7.9 Questioner: I have a question about that Council. Who are the members, and how does the Council function?

Ra: I am Ra. The members of the Council are representatives from the Confederation and from those vibratory levels of your inner planes bearing responsibility for your third density. The names are not important because there are no names. Your mind/body/spirit complexes request names and so, in many cases, the vibratory sound complexes which are consonant with the vibratory distortions of each entity are used. However, the name concept is not part of the Council. If names are requested, we will attempt them. However, not all have chosen names.

In number, the Council that sits in constant session, though varying in its members by means of balancing, which takes place, what you would call irregularly, is nine. That is the Session Council. To back up this Council, there are twenty-four entities which offer their services as requested. These entities faithfully watch and have been called Guardians.

The Council operates by means of, what you would call, telepathic contact with the oneness or unity of the nine, the distortions blending harmoniously so that the Law of One prevails with ease. When a need for thought is present, the Council retains the distortion-complex of this need, balancing it as described, and then recommends what it considers as appropriate action. This includes: One, the duty of admitting social memory complexes to the Confederation; Two, offering aid to those who are unsure how to aid the social memory complex requesting aid in a way consonant with both the call, the Law, and the number of those calling (that is to say, sometimes the resistance of the call); Three, internal questions in the Council are determined.

These are the prominent duties of the Council. They are, if in any doubt, able to contact the twenty-four who then offer consensus/judgment/thinking to the Council. The Council then may reconsider any question.

.12 Questioner: You said that some of the landings at this time were of the Orion group. Why did the Orion group land here? What is their purpose?

Ra: I am Ra. Their purpose is conquest, unlike those of the Confederation who wait for the calling. The so-called Orion group calls itself to conquest. As we have said previously, their objective is to locate certain mind/body/spirit complexes which vibrate in resonance with their own vibrational complex, then to enslave the un-elite, as you may call those who are not of the Orion vibration"

It appears that the Orion group do not respond to calling they call themselves. I think they do whatever they want regardless.
The Confedertation is there to help us. That is their whole purpose- Service to others.

There is also this:

"Ra: I am Ra. This information is significant to some degree as it bears upon our own mission at this time.

We of the Confederation are at the call of those upon your planet. If the call, though sincere, is fairly low in consciousness of the, shall we say, system whereby spiritual evolution may be precipitated, then we may only offer that information useful to that particular caller. This is the basic difficulty. Entities receive the basic information about the Original Thought and the means, that is meditation and service-to-others, whereby this Original Thought may be obtained.

Please note that as Confederation members we are speaking for positively oriented entities. We believe the Orion group has precisely the same difficulty.

Once this basic information is received it is not put into practice in the heart and in the life experience but instead rattles about within the mind complex distortions as would a building block which has lost its place and simply rolls from side to side uselessly, yet still the entity calls. Therefore, the same basic information is repeated. Ultimately the entity decides that it is weary of this repetitive information. However, if an entity puts into practice that which it is given, it will not find repetition except when needed."

Billybob: I do totally respect and admire you . I read most of your posts and usually do agree with most of what you say. You are brilliant, extremely witty and generally just a nice guy. It just seems to me that your last answer is born out of fear and not of service to others.
I just found the following quote as well in one of David's blogs. "The Deeper Secret Part IV"

"THE CALLING AND THE 'LAW OF EXPONENTS'

There's an interesting mathematical principle that the Universe built in to the game to favor the positive path, which is properly called the Law of Exponents. You have to remember that there are higher forces out there that could solve every problem ever known on the planet, almost instantaneously… but they can only help as much as they are CALLED to help.

Negative entities can equally be called upon when you try to manipulate others for your own gain… such as "The Secret" might incline people to do. They can assist you when you want to treat your Higher Self like a prostitute, and for a time it might work. Nonetheless, by calling on the negative you also give them the mandate to interfere with your free will… and the more people make that call, the more the negative can infringe on the whole planet.

You might therefore think that if five people are calling on the negative, and five people are calling on the positive, that the callings would be equal, and balance each other out… but that's not how it works. The Universe is very heavily biased towards the positive side. Thanks to the Law of Exponents, you'd have five people calling on the negative and the energetic equivalent of 2^4 people calling on the positive… or 2×2x2×2, which is 16.

So already the positive call is 320 percent stronger than the negative call, when it's five against five. Add another person to the positive side and the positive instantly becomes 640 percent stronger than the negative call. Add another and it becomes one thousand, two hundred eighty percent stronger than the negative. This percentage just keeps getting more and more outrageous as the 'calling' for the positive goes up.

The more the positive percentage goes up, the more miracles can occur that insure we don't have poverty, fatalities, corruption, government conspiracy and Earth Changes. Plus, we are reaching a "tipping point" in 2012 where we cross the line, and if you're not on the positive path you simply won't be able to find your way into a body on this planet.

The irony is that at the time the Law of One came through in the early 1980s, only a few hundred thousand people were actually calling strongly enough for the Ra group to personally have a mandate to assist. Even so, that number far outstripped the negative, which is apparently part of the reason why we've been protected from many of the more severe scenarios.

I am grateful that this website, and others like it, have exposed many more people to the ancient mystery teachings of esoteric philosophy, thereby increasing the calling. "

I tried to put my words plus some things in the quoted area in bold print because I can't figure out how to put quotes from other sources in boxes. I did also put quotation marks around the quotes.

Anyways, let me know what you think.
I still love you!
Megan

SuperManny

02-25-2008, 08:45 PM

GO Megan! Some excellent points! I'd like to have you on my side of the debate team! :D

As I said earlier I believe in asking, as a spiritual discipline and the more people you can get together to ask the same thing at the same time the more powerful it gets. And because of the law of squares it grows exponentially.
I can't figure out how to put quotes from other sources in boxes.
Just click on this little thingy, above the text box. http://www.divinecosmos.com/forums/images/editor/quote.gif
It will pop up these two bracketed [QUOTE's] like this; [QUOTE/] and then you put your text here[QUOTE/]
Alternatively (when replying) you can just click on the http://www.divinecosmos.com/forums/images/buttons/quote.gif at the bottom of the post you're replying to, and delete all the text except the part you're replying to. Hope that helps. :)

Debbie

02-25-2008, 10:47 PM

I would also like to take part in the calling of the Confederation Council if I might be permitted to for the highest good of all. If I can figure out how to do it anyway. ;)

billybobbutterball

02-25-2008, 11:35 PM

Dear Megan, you don't seriously expect me to take criticism from someone who can't even discover the simple technology of using quotes to highlight their message do you?

See! Ha! Ha! :p Plus, Ha!, HA!, BBB has even mastered the use the of nifty icon thingies! :cool:

Yeah, Megan, you ruffled my butterblobs. But saying you lub me makes it all better!:)

About the "quote" sillyness above, I must confess that after some 100 posting and being on the scene since the beginning I finally learned how to do the quote thing ... just last week. (aaaghh!)

About the good stuff you have brought to my/our attention, I confess, I had forgotten about it.

The reason I'm cautious about sending out general calls for spiritual help stems from a couple of angles. I have written before about the shock I got when I read about Carla being nearly abducted by a 5th D neg. after she merely thought that she would like to have Ra's help with a question, and without any sense of warning, automatically slipped into an unprotected trance state. If you remember, The Ra later slapped her hand, and explained just how close she came to having a loooong tour in blackness.

Now that bugged me. I had been living under the naive assumption that all spiritual beings were, well, spiritual at heart, and our good buddies, and there was nothing to worry about when delving into using psychic stuff for good intentions. ( Some Paranoics are actually right...At there are persons out to do them harm!)

In at least one example from the Ra channeling another entity slipped in and took over

Carla always challenges new entities to profess that they came in the spirit of Christ/Jesus. (One spirit joked that she could just as well serve the task if she asked if one came in the spirit of his kindly old "Uncle Joe" from Hoboken. I don't think Carla was much amused)

And there is the example of Edgar Cayce, who admitted an entity --one that David Wilcock believes was a negative having the agenda to hurt Cayce's reputation by passing wild predictions of global upheavals and floodings that didn't come about on the given schedule.

Then last year there was a world-wide call for "Firing the Grid". -- (yeah, I got up in the middle of night to add my prayer) There was a great deal of question about it since supposedly the Annunaki put a "grid" around Gaia to isolate it from outside help a zillion years ago ....so just WHAT particular grid were we encourage to be "firing up"?

There was no definite answer one way or the other coming forth from leadership.

And, yes, we could get a response from positive entities to a heartfelt positive calling... but (could be) from among those qualifing would be those leaning more to a "parenting" disposition. I don't know!

I'm saying, that if we attempt a group effort outreach we should formulate our purpose very carefully and specifically ... we don't want to carelessly open up any doors, nor do we want to waste effort by spinning our wheels around without everyone having a clear idea of an ideal purpose/direction.

About the bit concerning mechanical aids to meditation, etc. One of my first posts to Divine Cosmos back in the Old primative Yahoo days concerned the use of brain syncronizers and Zappers -- and I had just become the proud purchaser of a Patrick Flanagen super-duper dolphin tested Neurophone augmenter. My post was not allowed... such devices were considered counter-productive. David said --as I remember- something to the effect that he had found they that their effects were too crude and disruptive.

In the LLResearch material the warning was given that one could use techniques to propel an entity temporarily into a higher density-- one beyond what they were prepared to handle. From what I gathered this was NOT a good thing. I'm reminded of the description given of those newly departed that move into an increasing intensity of spiritual light up to the point of discomfort -- At a comfortable point just below the sunburn level they step off the stairway to heaven to their astral abode. To charge up the stairs to "gain" more light would be foolish. (But then again there are some who flog themselves with barbed whips for some perceived purpose.)

To add to the confusion, it seems some entities can temporarily penetrate to the 8th dimension...Cayce tapping into the so-called Akasic records is a positive example. Negative entities can tap into such to increase their majical personality ---whatever that is.

Thank you Megan for reminding me that I have vast gaps in my apperceptive mass... and for helping me on my needed path of REALLY realizing that I don't know nuthin'. Good research job!

And thank you dear Megan for your kind words. My long-suffering ego blows you a kiss.

bill gieskieng AKA billyblobbutterball

Don't want to ruffle any butterblobs, but I was just wondering what you make of the following :)

"Category: Confederation of Planets

7.9 Questioner: I have a question about that Council. Who are the members, and how does the Council function?

Ra: I am Ra. The members of the Council are representatives from the Confederation and from those vibratory levels of your inner planes bearing responsibility for your third density. The names are not important because there are no names. Your mind/body/spirit complexes request names and so, in many cases, the vibratory sound complexes which are consonant with the vibratory distortions of each entity are used. However, the name concept is not part of the Council. If names are requested, we will attempt them. However, not all have chosen names.

SNIP
The irony is that at the time the Law of One came through in the early 1980s, only a few hundred thousand people were actually calling strongly enough for the Ra group to personally have a mandate to assist. Even so, that number far outstripped the negative, which is apparently part of the reason why we've been protected from many of the more severe scenarios.

I am grateful that this website, and others like it, have exposed many more people to the ancient mystery teachings of esoteric philosophy, thereby increasing the calling. "

I tried to put my words plus some things in the quoted area in bold print because I can't figure out how to put quotes from other sources in boxes. I did also put quotation marks around the quotes.

Anyways, let me know what you think.
I still love you!
Megan

Ewhaz

02-26-2008, 12:16 AM

Any great call to the light in order to help this planet is going to get the attention of Neg's any way you look at it. I think David pointed this out several times that any one who decides to work with him gets a good roughing up in order to put themselves in line or buckle under the pressure. Many who decided to help have had run ins with near death situations. Your right, this isn't a joke and it shouldn't be taking lightly any great desire to help mankind.

Thats not to say its not a good thing to try and help, any great effort will of course avail the human race in one way or another. Even working on ourselves is a work to help all mankind. Keeping that in mind while you do your meditation, prayer work etc is part of 'being of service' though not what we are used too, as we are used to working with out hands its hard to see the effect that a peaceful loving disposition has on the entire earth. Like ripples in water, everything you do, think and feel is sent out. As those ripples hit other beings etc, they are reflected back with aspects of those people as well, much like ripples in the water when they hit a rock, or any solid object. Our thoughts and emotions all muddled together around the earth, we are simply waiting for the moment when others will begin to wake up and make the connection too.

Now as far as asking for direct help from the confederation, we could do that, but what steps do we take to prevent ourselves from receiving a negative greeting in the process? I'm sure in looking though the channeling information we could all find out a way to at least prepare ourselves for it. This would be no small undertaking in reality though, I'm sure DW could share stories after stories of the trouble he's seen when Negs get interested in people trying to do good work. There's working on our emotional state, our physical state (which would include finance, personal life, professionally life etc) our belief systems and anything related to our 'vibration' that could be used against us, any negative angle that can be leveraged against us. That being said, I don't think I would be ready for such an undertaking, I still feel I have a long way to go myself.

But, if any one truly feels themselves called to this work do so with an open heart and mind, loving yourself and the opportunity that being of service may render in experience, in growth etc. Get as much information as you can and do so knowing all the good you can do as well as the risks. Do not be afraid, fear is negative, be knowing, expecting and understanding. Be compassionate with yourself and your limitations, understanding that growing past those limitations is a blessing in itself. Just remember, if you present yourself as a catalyst for good, there must be an equal opportunity for bad to come out of it, this is in order to preserve the freedom of choice. This distortion will still be in effect for quite some time, only when we have made the full transition will the distortion of free will be illuminated, freed of the polarity of service to self on this planet.

In the mean while, Pray, Meditate, Be of service where and when you can without forgetting the service to the self as it relates to caring for your own needs without being selfish. It is a good work we do when we work on the self, for as parts of the whole we radiate those changes inside outside and help to uplift the world.

And as always, take what you need, leave the rest, I am not one to tell you the truth, only what I perceive as truth. Blessed Be, love and light!

meganarline

02-26-2008, 05:50 AM

Thanks for all the great responses. I couldn't sleep last night because I was worried about being visited by the boogeyman due to the fact that I HAVE been calling for years and have also sometimes randomly in a moment or sorrow called out "Can anyone help me!!!"

Lately although I continue to call I generally am a little more specific in who I direct my attention to.:) I will never stop calling. Because I keep getting answers. I consider calling to be akin to praying.

I think that if we did call then we should be fairly specific and direct our call to the confederation of planets. I also think it would be a good idea to just ask something simple like "How can we best provide service to others?". And not an open ended "What should we do?"

I think if we ask with a full and sincere heart then we will get heartfelt replies. I'm pretty sure if you are hanging out at Divine Cosmos then your hearts in pretty good shape (just a hunch). If we ask with an attitude of "hmm I'm not sure if I should be doing this, I'm kind of scared" it might not have the same effect.

After the calling I'm pretty sure it will be up to us individually to act on information received. The answer will not come in a loud voice from the clouds saying "we got your message - this is what you must do!". I'm guessing there will be answers received in meditation. More sychronicities that it will be up to us to notice and act on. Little hints and reminders on how better to see the creator in others.

I don't know about anyone else but I definitely could use a helping hand at times.

But, if any one truly feels themselves called to this work do so with an open heart and mind, loving yourself and the opportunity that being of service may render in experience, in growth etc. Get as much information as you can and do so knowing all the good you can do as well as the risks. Do not be afraid, fear is negative, be knowing, expecting and understanding. Be compassionate with yourself and your limitations, understanding that growing past those limitations is a blessing in itself.

Hey did I do it right????? Thanks Super Manny!!

I don't want to sound or be naive or anything but I also do not like getting grounded in fear. If I have expectations of bad things happening then I'm sure bad things will happen. If I have expectations that I will actually receive some kind of divine inspiration then I'm thinking that's whats going to happen.

You've gotta have faith don't you? I know I do.

Thanks billybob for being such a gentleman. I really have a hard time focusing on the negative of things (in the big picture).

Love to all,
Megan

twva

02-26-2008, 06:29 AM

I'm still up for it. I understand and appreciate the hesitation expressed by some and recognize that it's not for everyone. But it is for me, I believe -- really it's just regularizing and making more conscious what I've been doing for some time. And the thought of knowing that there are others, even if only one or two, joining their efforts with mine is highly appealing.

Maybe a simple thing to ask for help with could be related to
finding a small place in our forum space where people try to
come together in a harmonious congruent way which could
help facilitating the exercise of "calling" in a service to others
way. The idea there being that by this exercise, the group
would be able to grow in a helpful way.

What do you mean, exactly?

SuperManny

02-26-2008, 07:43 AM

I have written before about the shock I got when I read about Carla being nearly abducted by a 5th D neg. after she merely thought that she would like to have Ra's help with a question, and without any sense of warning, automatically slipped into an unprotected trance state. If you remember, The Ra later slapped her hand, and explained just how close she came to having a loooong tour in blackness.

Now that bugged me. I had been living under the naive assumption that all spiritual beings were, well, spiritual at heart, and our good buddies, and there was nothing to worry about when delving into using psychic stuff for good intentions.
Well, BBB I gotta admit, that incident bothered me too. However I'm not sure how applicable it is here. We are not talking about making ourselves as vulnerable as Carla did, as in allowing another entity to take control of our body.:eek: We're simply talking about sending out a prayer/request. I do this every day and I'm not aware of any negative consequences; ever.

Also the event that almost happened to Carla was not by any stretch a 'typical' event, and don't forget the Latwii did come and rescue her. As I recall, the Ra said it had happened once in the entire history of the cosmos.

Also the point you make about attracting the attention of the Negatives is indeed a valid one. The more you grow and develop spiritually, the more you will draw their attention! It's inevitable, but the big question is; is that really enough reason to not want to grow and develop spiritually?:eek:

I got a call a couple weeks ago from [name] who's a futurist, (you might have heard on Coast or similar programs). He warned me about the upcoming shift, and how it would really get going toward the end of the year. Now he doesn't even know me very well but what I thought was odd, was that he warned me repeatedly about the negative entities. He kept saying "As your light gets brighter you will attract their attention!"

He may be right. In fact I'm pretty sure he is, because he's been spot on with most of his predictions. But I am not going to keep my light from shining because of that. It seems to me a poor excuse to not develop spiritually. I'm not saying this to be mean, BBB it's not even really directed at you, it's just me affirming myself.

meganarline

02-26-2008, 08:08 AM

Ewhaz

02-26-2008, 11:19 AM

I'm definitely not saying this isn't a worth while pursuit, I only feel the need to caution on the idea that any great concerted effort will get some attention and not only that, but so long as the distortions are in place there will be equal opportunity for negativity in this density.

I'm also not saying that we will get the level of Neg response on the level of Carla's, or neg greetings that will result in direct physical harm. However, think of it this way, with all of us working on ourselves, becoming bright lights in the darkness, we are like flashlights bobbing around in the dark illuminating the individual things we focus on separately. If you could imagine a hundred people in a dark forest with flashlights pointing every which way, you get the sense that there is no real focus, no real organization. While they still light up the forest in some way, it's hardly an efficient way. Now, if all those people get together, get organized and point their lights in the same direction suddenly the situation changes, the intent is focused and the effect is multiplied in a singular direction.

Now think of this from a Neg's point of view, while every one working on themselves the forest is slowly illuminated, but with the disorganization that may take a while, giving you the opportunity to work against each individual in an unseen fashion. Organized as a group , the people become more visible, and an organized effort is more of a threat simply because the effect is multiplied with more people focused on a single intent. Its the law of squares where this is concerned, I believe. On is simply one, but two is four, and four is 16, and 16 is 256. Thats the threat that they see.

That being said, any concerted effort would be very powerful indeed. Don't underestimate this power, so like billybobbutterball mentions, its a good idea to be very specific, very clear on what you intend to do. One thing I like to do when I pray and ask for help is simply mention the idea that 'let me achieve the greatest good' as this refers to me, it lets me admit that I don't know every little thing and so my idea of whats good may be completely off, so I always put that in as an addendum to offer myself up for the greatest good. It's basically the same as saying 'thy will be done', basically allowing your will to be superseded by those who may have a greater understanding of what good can come, especially those who see outside of our limited view of time.

Now I am only trying to caution and bring to light those things that need to be considered before doing something like this. As a matter of fact I'd like to encourage it in my own way. What is being proposed is a great work, and a worthy one. To ask for aid from those who are willing to help when asked will be of great aid to the human race as we make the shift into 4th density. We need all the help we can get! There are those who are ready for 4th density, but are unaware of it, those people are waiting for their consciousness to open up, to find the light. The higher the vibration of this planet, the more people will be lifted out of the lower vibrations to 'wake up' so to speak. The greater this vibration, the harder it becomes for the negative elite to continue working here, that vibration oppresses them and works against them.

If you do decide to do this work, what I recommend is that you be a cohesive unit from beginning to end. Be available for every one in the circle as you do this work and afterwards, praying and helping one another, supporting and loving as much as you can. If there is any Neg greetings, your support to one another will help to keep each other safe. As individuals you are but a small light in the dark, as a group you are a great light in the darkness. You can use that light to help humanity, and to help one another. If any thing, let me impress upon you the power with which you each posses and how that power is multiplied when you come together in a single intent! This is the power of the human potential, and as we begin slipping into 4th density we begin to understand the power of coming together as a single mind with singular focus and intent. Coming together is what we are meant to do, its what we will do, and even what we are doing but unaware of as yet.

I always error on the side of caution, that doesn't mean I refuse to do a thing, only that I plan cautiously and consciously and go in knowing full well what I am getting myself into. Doing something like skydiving for instance, it wouldn't help you to simply think foolishly that nothing can go wrong, instead you check your chute, your backup shoot and check and double check everything, so that when you finally jump out that window, you can do so without hesitation. This is the difference between fear and knowledge. Be knowledgeable so you can plan and prepare, don't be afraid so that it freezes you in place!

Alright, I'll stop now :P
Love and light!

Kris

02-26-2008, 12:02 PM

Any great call to the light in order to help this planet is going to get the attention of Neg's any way you look at it.

Couldn't we just ask for protection from the "negs" beforehand, or is that naive?:confused:

We are told by Ra and Q'uo that all we have to do is ask for help and we will always be answered. I just assumed it was someone from the Confederation who answered our call. Truth be told, I'm not sure who I am calling on when I ask for help or where they come from, but I always ask for protection and for positive guides only.

So far so good.

Except for the times I forgot to ask....

I think David pointed this out several times that any one who decides to work with him gets a good roughing up in order to put themselves in line or buckle under the pressure. Many who decided to help have had run ins with near death situations. Your right, this isn't a joke and it shouldn't be taking lightly any great desire to help mankind.

The first time I did a transcript for David so many negative things happened to me it was obvious that I was being interfered with. I broke my daughter's laptop, my cat got hit by a car, I had a huge fight with my "editor" to name only a few things. This was all in a 10 hour period. Coincidence. I don't think so.

Was I fearful? A little freaked out maybe, but determined not to let it stop me from helping out again if needed.

The second time I did a transcript for David I had a lot of catalyst as well, although mostly computer and recording problems.

This time I had no fear but I realized the next time I needed to be smart.

So the third time I did a transcript it was for Project Camelot :eek: This time I asked for protection before I even started. No interference, no catalyst, no problem. :)

I guess my point is why not just ask for protection from the negative entities before calling out and show no fear as that is what likely attracts the negatives in the first place.

It's not like we're trying to channel information, we're just calling out for help, which, as I understand it, is always answered.

Art

02-26-2008, 12:38 PM

Maybe a simple thing to ask for help with could be related to finding a small place in our forum space where people try to come together in a harmonious congruent way which could help facilitating the exercise of "calling" in a service to others way. The idea there being that by this exercise, the group would be able to grow in a helpful way.

If this ressonates somehow, then please join me in calling for help that way. If not, please suggest improvements that might be helpful to us. These seem baby steps.

Sounds like a good way to start. However, I have only one caution from my participation... I would have to admit, that when I let my guard down (as happened these past few months), I almost felt "infected" with negativity, maybe negative entities feeding off me, which can turn into a vicious cycle, feeding off each other. :( And, even to this day, I can catch myself improperly reacting to various catalyst, but at least I have the wisdom to not let it get the best of me and quickly let those thoughts/feelings/emotions dissipate. Sad thing is, I knew this long ago, but in "the heat of the moment" felt the need to experience these emotions and understand them later...

So, my participation may not be helpful, just to be honest... :o Any opinions with regard to this are appreciated - I'd like to help, but surely do not want to be a hindrance.

In the end, we all have our struggles and growing pains to be sure. Knowing we need help is one thing, asking for it is another. This is done both on a personal level, and, as we are about to attempt, group level; albeit small to start with, eventually with critical mass is reached and collective consciousness takes over, we'll be speaking as one.

Aside from asking advice from experienced "callers", I do think simply "asking for how to ask for help" is a good way to start.

Oh, and I liked this statement:

I guess my point is why not just ask for protection from the negative entities before calling out and show no fear as that is what likely attracts the negatives in the first place.

It's not like we're trying to channel information, we're just calling out for help, which, as I understand it, is always answered.

Sorry for the rambling thoughts, just struggling to get back to where "I was"... :o

Art

vithar

02-26-2008, 05:37 PM

i've been influenced by ritual magick (hence those suggestions). it does'nt have to be like that. it can be fun pondering the endless lists of correspondences...
so this isn't really much different than a prayer meeting.

i also came across a rather disheartening piece on astrology. there have been 37 (probably much more) documented tests for it's validity. it failed miserably on everyone.
yeah, i found this at a skeptics site. but to me it does'nt matter. most of these testers were pros. the tests were designed by them. everything catered to the astrologers. all parties wanted to see positive results. this blows as i was getting ready to take the AFA's course.

anyway, we still have intent and energy...and the Sea.

so one of the main things here is to make this interesting. to keep the enthusiasm. and yes, we should use an nlp like approach; what we want as to what we are trying to get away from.

maybe we could do something else? maybe we could all ask for a certain kind of crop circle. now that would be sick to see it....

Bluebird1711

02-26-2008, 05:43 PM

Please forgive my ignorance before i go any further. You guys are so much deeper down this path than i.

I found David by pure accident (coincidence!!!) through a person who i have since become very close. I now find myself asking the question 'Am i in the 51% positive'...ever since!........and 'What can i do to affect that!' if i am not!

The answer to me is not known as i write. I have started to meditate with limited succes but i appreciate Rome was not built in a Day and 4 meditation sessions will not make moutains!! :) I will perservere.

But even though, i admit, i have not read every thread thouroughly, and in detail, i get the gist of setting up a group to get themselves in the 51% bracket.

I would love to have a check list in front of me to let me determine where i am on the SCALE......but we all know this will not happen.

What concerns me more is getting guys who are nowhere near the positive path to 'Think again'!

Would i be overstepping my humble mark to suggest we look at people not aware of this site to 'Take a Look'.....without being evangelistic in our aims? I appreciate free will, but a nudge in the right direction never hurt right?

I sincerely hope i have not crossed any lines in this post........and i sincerely wish you all joy on this earth.....you guys are allready there....lets help a few others!

Love to you all......and thanks for reading my ramblings.....i wish you well xx

Chris Hamilton

02-26-2008, 06:13 PM

From Bluebird: But even though, i admit, i have not read every thread thouroughly, and in detail, i get the gist of setting up a group to get themselves in the 51% bracket.

I would love to have a check list in front of me to let me determine where i am on the SCALE......but we all know this will not happen.

What concerns me more is getting guys who are nowhere near the positive path to 'Think again'!

Hi Bluebird,

I couldn't resist your heartfelt post because I used to be just like you when I started reading the LoO books. I think what is so frightening is that we essentially feel helpless to help others or, we feel that individually we are trapped somehow to be pushed to someplace we really don't want to go to.

Of course, all of those ideas are just our inner fears. LoO helps you understand why these things can occur, without the fear associated with other philosophies. In fact, there are many threads here in which members discuss their fears associated with a change such as David discusses in Divine Cosmos. And, if you are still fearful, investigate more of Divine Cosmos, as David is dedicated to discussing a future without fear.

The most important thing to remember is that you are right where you should be, right now, and you, being infinitely wise, have chosen your experiences so you can grow given the best catalysts for you. And, as you grow, all those other people will see the difference, and then you can help them if they want it. Now, That is somethin' :) Take care, Chris

SuperManny

02-26-2008, 07:26 PM

Hi Bluebird1711! Welcome to the forum!
All this new stuff can be a little overwhelming when you first discover it. But it sound like you are being guided in the right direction, so thank your Inner Guidance, because it gets a little bit stronger, every time you thank it. :)
What concerns me more is getting guys who are nowhere near the positive path to 'Think again'!

Would i be overstepping my humble mark to suggest we look at people not aware of this site to 'Take a Look'.....without being evangelistic in our aims? I appreciate free will, but a nudge in the right direction never hurt right?Finding a spiritual partner can indeed be quite a challenge, but they'll probably show up when you least expect them! Mine showed up in a Conversations with God class that I felt strangely compelled to take.

Of course you can tell other people about this site, but it may be a good idea to be a bit selective. Sometimes we come across new ideas and we are so thrilled we want to tell everyone, and then we are saddened to find out that very few people are as thrilled as we are.

So pull up a chair, and make yourself at home, and read thru this forum to familiarize yourself. There is much love and wisdom here. Then if you want more, check out The Law Of One Study Guide, written by my good friend and teacher Bob Childers. You can find it on this site, or you can download your very own copy (in PDF format) here. (http://thesonsofthelawofone.com/Resources/Law%20Of%20One%20Study%20Guide.pdf)
Blessings!
~Manny

Ewhaz

02-26-2008, 11:23 PM

Couldn't we just ask for protection from the "negs" beforehand, or is that naive?

ABSOLUTELY! As a matter of fact It was so simple I simply forgot to mention it.

The thing to remember about those who are of the service to others path is that they will not render service where it is not requested! The simple idea is that forcing service on those who have not asked for it is selfish, serving your own purpose without regard for those whom you are forcing service on.

i also came across a rather disheartening piece on astrology. there have been 37 (probably much more) documented tests for it's validity. it failed miserably on everyone.
yeah, i found this at a skeptics site. but to me it does'nt matter. most of these testers were pros. the tests were designed by them. everything catered to the astrologers. all parties wanted to see positive results. this blows as i was getting ready to take the AFA's course.

You will always find this, there is always contradictory information regarding anything you could possibly think of to help support your world view. This is the same with any world view, or idea, or even Ideal. That is part and parcel of this density, the distortion of free will, the ability to choose one way or another based solely on personal standing/experience/knowledge. Everything in this density is subjective, weather others like to believe it or not, everything is questionable. Even the information on this site is questionable, the entire aspect of the LoO series is questionable and yea, even your own existence is questionable.. All truth is a distortion of one sort or another of the original thought 'I am'. So in a way, the only real truth is 'I Am' and everything else is a lie in a round about way.

The main thing is that this distortion of free will allows us all to take personal stock in our choices, to give them real consequences and opportunities. If you knew the truth, you wouldn't have any real choice would you? In other areas where this distortion was not enforced, spiritual growth is slower due to the fact that every one knows their connection to the whole and thus they fill fulfilled already, needing to do nothing more to grow. However we the lucky ones get to explore our choices, experience the good and the bad, gain massive catalysts and more opportunities. We grow faster because we don't readily see that connection to the whole, or for that matter the truth of it all. In many other books, there is a strange theme that goes through them all, that any one who comes to this world to experience what we have to offer, its considered a great honor to be here and lived through this.

Just because a particular study contradicts your point of view, or some point of view, don't automatically assume that it's right. It is only the density making sure you still have a choice weather or not to believe it or not. If astrology was a proven fact then every one would HAVE to believe it, there would be no choice, the freedom to choose to believe it or not would have gone away. This is the same reason you don't see the confederation landing in Washington DC and announcing that we are all spiritual beings who's path leads us back to the source.. that would remove the option for people to believe that there is no God to begin with.

Keep in mind that there are other studies that prove that the outcomes of most studies are directly influenced by the theorized out come of the study to begin with. Studies with the same testing but with seperate postulated outcomes came up with contradicting results. This was proven with even blind/double blind experiments, the outcome was influenced by those initiating the experiments. Everything is subjective, period.

vithar

02-27-2008, 07:34 AM

thanks. the technology that enables you to share this with me is due to a rather successfully tested model.
what would you rather; win a hundred or get smacked by a truck? gee, depends where my mind is at today...

tested meds (not their toxins) and therapies work. that mushroom could be poison regardless of looking like an angel with toupee ...as the early peoples found.

but i hear you. but i also think your very words explain why astrology does'nt work. duality. astrology floats on nothing (come to find out. it's admitted) - a fabrication based on disconnected projection. if the basics were tried and true on at least something, there'd be more objective validation.

they say in general the zodiac was originally a calendar. i'd say this is so and most everything else is erroneous accretion.
the zodiacal association's origins (which the skeptics were begging for) might have been from annual-seasonal, lunar and crop cycles. the rest is psychological embellishment..........

some of the tests were very in your face. ie., they sent everyone "their" natal chart (they changed the summations not the times etc) and everyone agreed it was theirs. nay, everyone got the exact same chart which was of an infamous murderer. i may've got a detail wrong here in explaining but it comes out the same.
one of the skeptic examples (which i at first thought rediculous) was what if venus was red? but think about that. tradition (also) has it as the Speeds of the planets orbits. well that's fine, Only if we could find info indicating that that frequency is actually linked to "venusian" qualities. just because we all say green is associated with love etc etc. does'nt mean it is so.
an axiom; correlation does not mean causation. this should be the caveat to as above so below!

i need a bit more help as i'd like to take the course.

now the main problem here is how this plays out into other avenues. it's things like the belief in astrology that - does'nt mean you're dumb i don't think - enables belief in the most outlandish stuff.

i'm also hurting in this due to the fact that none of my years of searching esoterics and kingdom come-isms has done a thing for me. well one thing of course! all this stuff is like a sop, if not an escape.

i know this is all a can or worms. and this very statement goes back to yours.

gee, maybe it's my mercury square saturn that needs more proof! proof in anything but the damn matrix exploitation system.

SuperManny

02-27-2008, 10:30 AM

Guys I'm still interested in getting together in spirit to do this calling/prayer/meditation.
Maybe we should start a separate thread on this.

Perhaps we could each contribute a sentence or paragraph so that it would have more of a personal meaning. If you are involved in the creation it will be much more powerful to you. I haven't even seen a definite topic, so let me throw some ideas out and see if anything sticks.

* Affirming that we have chosen the 4th density positive path in the upcoming shift.
* Asking for assistance in learning whatever we need to learn to make this possible.
* Requesting assistance in anchoring the light of the 4th density here, now.
* Show us how to help, and what to do to get the highest possible number of graduates for everyone's highest good.
* Join us in sending out and anchoring the vibration of peace in the Middle East and everywhere else that has war, or conflict.
* Help us send healing energy to Gaia; our Mother Earth.
* Accept our requests on the behalf of all mankind, and help us to integrate a higher vibration of light, truth, peace and joy, as we release all the denser energies and lower vibrations, fo the Highest Good of all mankind.

OK so you get the idea, now how about some input/feedback? Does anything resonate?

A small group of thoughtful people could change the world.
Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. -Margaret Mead

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SuperManny

02-27-2008, 10:47 AM

So, my participation may not be helpful, just to be honest... :o Any opinions with regard to this are appreciated - I'd like to help, but surely do not want to be a hindrance.
C'mon Art, don't be silly! You could contribute more than you ever dreamed possible, with a good heart and a bit of clear intent! And I know you already have the 'good heart' part down pat! :)
i also came across a rather disheartening piece on astrology. there have been 37 (probably much more) documented tests for it's validity. it failed miserably on everyone.
There are several reasons for this. One primary one is that with all of these tools, [like astrology] you are putting your power in something outside yourself, when your true power always comes from within.

Talk to any real serious student of astrology and you will discover some disturbing facts. Like the fact that since this system has been born, eons ago, we may have shifted as much as a full cycle, so the sign you think you are may not even be the right one, according to some researchers.

And according to others, there are actually supposed to be 13 signs instead of 12, so that throws the whole system off. Add to that the many different interpretations, and you really get confused. :confused:

charles obscure

02-27-2008, 01:26 PM

Interesting thread about the organizing of a calling...

My perception of the calling in the LoO was basically that it was a function of the subconscious mind, more on the social memory complex level. By this definition I think most all of us posting here are probably already in a state of 'calling' (and probably receiving answers on some level if one is open to them). But its been suggested that so many of our other selves here are not yet ready for certain elements of the picture to unfold so to speak, and when that time arrives the 'call' for assistance may be an automatic thing.

Im not trying to discourage attempting a more literal/physical calling attempt, just give my insight on how I percieved that kind of thing to work. It seems like more of a direct effort as a social memory complex to recieve aid from higher density beings when it does not infringe on the free-will of other selves.

vithar

02-27-2008, 03:19 PM

There are several reasons for this. One primary one is that with all of these tools, [like astrology] you are putting your power in something outside yourself, when [B]your true power always comes from within.

>>> i've the impression now that this has been in the same boat as mainstream religion. just more distraction for the rabble.
seems almost every aspect of it is purely symbolic speculation. much is blatant like the things you mention.
i do wonder if the ptb have a different form.

it just seems natural there'd be something to it. but did more reading... low and behold, even the commonly accepted effects of moon phases does'nt jibe with vigorous observation.

i was waiting for the ol' the power lies within line.

gee, how does one get to be a Famous Astrologer in light of all this!?

AmelieJolie

03-02-2008, 12:51 AM

You will always find this, there is always contradictory information regarding anything you could possibly think of to help support your world view. This is the same with any world view, or idea, or even Ideal.
Yes, I see things this way too now.
If you knew the truth, you wouldn't have any real choice would you?
Interesting.

I have also found it interesting, what has been said here about the light attracting the darkness, etc.........

Just lately I have been going through some interesting experiences, I felt a breakthrough had been made when it comes to dealing with certain issues. I have begun to feel this noticeable change, like my frequency has been raised.

Just as I was feeling this, along with a tremendous feeling of inner peace and peace with the world, a person close in my life brings me down again- I guess I'm ok now though.

Maybe this was a coincidence.....I don't know.
I just found it interesting about what was said- negativity attracted by the light.
After this person brought me down, I felt like I had lost some of that raised frequency. Now I must rebuild it.

Art

03-02-2008, 06:40 AM

After this person brought me down, I felt like I had lost some of that raised frequency. Now I must rebuild it.

Well...this may or may not make sense...

I have come to the understanding that we are reservoirs of Light/Love. So, if we are beacons for All beings, then it is possible for them to "feed" off of us. Similar to negative entities feeding off of fear, ALL entities can feed off of Light/Love.

If I remember correctly, David used an analogy of a bucket filling with water. It never really gets full, as we are conduits of energy - endlessly coming in, endlessly going out.

You'll get that feeling back. ;)

Art

vithar

03-02-2008, 07:21 AM

hate to say it and am being melodramatic, "welcome to the matrix". there are or were sites that gave a lot of time to this phenomenon. some folks seem to be plagued by it.

i used to try and explain this to folks. some of these coincidences were Absolutely In Your Face. all seemingly geared to tweak your nervous system.

Robert Monroe even wrote about it. tho here, it can go either way. love, happiness or, vex etc.

others talk about feeders. one guy explained it nicely. or "nicely"; you build up your pristine ("spiritual") energy...cause that's what a human can do. then "once your bag is full", a "feeder" pops it to feed on that energy, that it itself can't generate.

at another channeled info site, the main concern was about being food. we are not at the top of the food chain. the System Itself is set up to tap your energy.

in any case, it seems certain folks are more open to this.

surely these events have (also) been explained by visiting planets, in poor aspect. but i no longer travel this path.

they always say it's us. could be but i don't know...

there's the kabbalistic angle to. you need to deal with the naturally occuring pole to any positive vibes (sent out).

soup

03-09-2008, 06:05 PM

...you need to deal with the naturally occuring pole to any positive vibes (sent out)....

It may be that the principle of balance allows for a dominance/subordinance point which is skewed somehow. There's the idea one needs to be 51%>STO for harvest and >95%STS for harvest - is that balanced?

There's an idea that high density negative influences exemplify the trait of extreme self discipline. It almost suggests the discipline that a soldier would be engrained with. Possibly there's some example of "negative hierarchy" which is distorted towards "power and control", though difficult to say for sure.

Astrollogically, the sign of Capricorn (rulled by Saturn) seems known for the idea of self discipline, the goat who climbs to the top of the mountain. With Pluto going transit through Capricorn some astrologers must feel that this may challenge those at the top of the mountain - it may regenerate them.

Anyhow, Pluto seems to have a highly eccentric orbit and this may get back to the idea of how a balance can be skewed - a sort of stable eccentricity. By contrast, Venus - (Ra's 3D home planet?) seems to have a very circular orbit.

soup

AmelieJolie

03-15-2008, 04:32 PM

Ra: I am Ra. The best way to be of service to others has been explicitly covered in previous material. We will iterate briefly.

The best way of service to others is the constant attempt to seek to share the love of the Creator as it is known to the inner self. This involves self knowledge and the ability to open the self to the other-self without hesitation. This involves, shall we say, radiating that which is the essence or the heart of the mind/body/spirit complex.

Speaking to the intention of your question, the best way for each seeker in third density to be of service to others is unique to that mind/body/spirit complex. This means that the mind/body/spirit complex must then seek within itself the intelligence of its own discernment as to the way it may best serve other-selves. This will be different for each. There is no best. There is no generalization. Nothing is known.

And these words too are very good:

Questioner: Is it possible by the use of some technique or other to help an entity to reach fourth-density level in these last days?

Ra: I am Ra. It is impossible to help another being directly. It is only possible to make catalyst available in whatever form, the most important being the radiation of realization of oneness with the Creator from the self, less important being information such as we share with you.

We, ourselves, do not feel an urgency for this information to be widely disseminated. It is enough that we have made it available to three, four, or five. This is extremely ample reward, for if one of these obtains fourth-density understanding due to this catalyst then we shall have fulfilled the Law of One in the distortion of service.

We encourage a dispassionate attempt to share information without concern for numbers or quick growth among others. That you attempt to make this information available is, in your terms, your service. The attempt, if it reaches one, reaches all.

We cannot offer shortcuts to enlightenment. Enlightenment is, of the moment, an opening to intelligent infinity. It can only be accomplished by the self, for the self. Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment, but who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?

AmelieJolie

03-15-2008, 05:24 PM

[quote]Questioner: Then the newest third-density beings who have just made the transition from second are still strongly biased towards self-service. There must be many other mechanisms to create an awareness of the possibility of service to others.

I am wondering, first about the mechanism and I am wondering when the split takes place where the entity is able to continue on the road to service to self that will eventually take him on to fourth density.

I’m assuming that an entity can start, say, in second density with service to self and continue right on through and just stay on what we would call the path of service to self and never be pulled over. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The second-density concept of serving self includes the serving of those associated with tribe or pack. This is not seen in second density as separation of self and other-self. All is seen as self since in some forms of second-density entities, if the tribe or pack becomes weakened, so does the entity within the tribe or pack.

The new or initial third density has this innocent, shall we say, bias or distortion towards viewing those in the family, the society, as you would call, perhaps, country, as self. Thus though a distortion not helpful for progress in third density, it is without polarity.

The break becomes apparent when the entity perceives other selves as other-selves and consciously determines to manipulate other-selves for the benefit of the self. This is the beginning of the road of which you speak.

Questioner: Then, through free will, some time within the third density experience, the path splits and the entity consciously chooses—or he probably doesn’t consciously choose. Does the entity consciously choose this path of the initial splitting point?

Ra: I am Ra. We speak in generalities which is dangerous for always inaccurate. However, we realize you look for the overview; so we will eliminate anomalies and speak of majorities.

The majority of third density beings is far along the chosen path before realization of that path is conscious.

Questioner: Can you tell me what bias creates the momentum towards the chosen path of service to self?

Ra: I am Ra. We can speak only in metaphor. Some love the light. Some love the darkness. It is a matter of the unique and infinitely various Creator choosing and playing among its experiences as a child upon a picnic. Some enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious, the games refreshing, and glow with the joy of creation. Some find the night delicious, their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others, and the examination of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.

All these experiences are available. It is the free will of each entity which chooses the form of play, the form of pleasure.

Questioner: I assume that an entity on either path can decide to change paths at any time and possibly retrace steps, the path changing being more difficult the farther along the path the change is made. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The further an entity has, what you would call, polarized, the more easily this entity may change polarity, for the more power and awareness the entity will have.

Those truly helpless are those who have not consciously chosen but who repeat patterns without knowledge of the repetition or the meaning of the pattern.
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transiten

03-16-2008, 02:34 PM

Hi

It seesm like I'm constantly gravitating towards information about Orion even if i try to stay away from engaging in it...and now the connection to Venus....When new on the forum in one thread (don't remeber if I started it or not) I told about a song I wrote in the beginning of the 90:ies living on "Starshieldstreet". Early one morning I saw Venus through my window and beside her the constellation of Orion. In greek mythology he was a hunter killing all the animals. Artemis sent a scorpion to stop him. Venus was a godess of love as eveningstar and of war as morningstar.

The song is shortly about fighting "old patterns", the unconscious, selfish exploitation of Mother Earth on our behalf, ending with the question: Which is the only true proof for the existence of the Universe?

I've had heavy synchronicities with Orion leading into a hellsh initiation...

.......and now the connection to Venus in this thread....I choose not to inform myself on the Orion-thing feeling it was focusing on the negative, at the same time I want to know what I'm avoiding.......this IS PARADOXICAL.....

I have not a single person i can communicate with regarding this, and in sudden flashmoments I fear that you're all totally spaced-ot, just the way most of the pple i know don't believe in things far less esoteric than this..

Luckily I'm attending a course in mediumship (is that the correct word?) soon and there I have the opportunity to discuss what I've come across here. which is not ALL new to me but VERY MUCH IS.....

Do you think I should stop asking questions about Orion and Venus if I feel fear? And at the same time it's like this subject is trying to reach me over and over again....Saturn is transiting my 12:th house in virgo, the house of hidden enemies, self-undoing but also of spirituality, where I also have a mars/saturnconjunction...no wonder the ghosts are trying to scare me, but once they get out in the :) they will fade away, right!

Would be most thankful for some input/response

This will also pass. "The transit"

SuperManny

03-16-2008, 10:50 PM

...I've had heavy synchronicities with Orion leading into a hellsh initiation...

Do you think I should stop asking questions about Orion and Venus if I feel fear? I don't know enough about astrology to feel comfortable giving any advice, but perhaps I could say a word or two about the fear you are feeling. It's natural to want to explore your fears, because they are often fascinating; spellbinding and may even lead you into unpredictable situations.

I certainly would not advise you to repress the fear. Explore it for a bit with your imagination and see why it frightens you so, but do this under your terms, because you don't want the fear to control you. When you are finished exploring it with your mind, make sure that you have a way of bringing yourself back to your center. Maybe a good book to read that makes you feel peaceful, calm and empowered, or maybe some uplifting music, or a walk in nature.

When you do this process, you will probably know, whether you should explore it in more detail. Just follow your Guidance, and stay in control. If it feels disempowering to you, then maybe it's not right for you at this time.
Best of luck with your process! :)
~Manny

transiten

03-17-2008, 12:47 AM

Hi again...

Some years later I came in contact with the Mayan Calendar and the Venus Passage. The mayans were terrified by it and both bricked up their windows and throw blood towards the planet knowing that during this passage that we're in the middle of now, coincide with big upheavals in society due to misuse of power among the elite (and other mortals too of course)

I knew nothing about that when living on "Starshieldstreet" writing the song. When I watched the passage in 2004 I had a big filter in front of my face as a "shield". A guy took the picture, the journalist writing the article, I had a negative contact with some years before when she totally excluded me in the article she wrote about a demonstration where I was singing recurrently....

The headlines was "Cover necessary when watching the Venuspasssage" and noone could see it was me.....cause

......I had Sun square Saturn, Venus square Saturn and Saturn opposition Venus that day i.a...some meaningful coincidence eh?:(

Liliane the transit

transiten

03-17-2008, 12:55 AM

Merci beaucoup Super-Manny!

Sometimes a kind word and a listening ear, or rather-reading eye, in the right moment is all you need! You're spot on, commonsense <lol>

Liliane

transiten

03-17-2008, 01:03 AM

Hi AmelieJolie

Just had the same experience this weekend, feeling brought-down by friends and coworkers...not necessarily that they are mean, but they tend towards negativity, talk in a negative way etc. and my :) is darkened...I'm the one who has the responsability to ask myself what this is reflecting back to me, deal with it and make a desiscion how to relate to these pple, should I stay or should I go? Is it possible to put boundaries earlier on not having to totally quit etc... If it's family it's more difficult of course....

Liliane

mellisamouse

03-19-2008, 02:26 PM

Just a few of my thoughts on service to others, that may sometimes feel like service to self in the heat of the moment, but isn't when you look at it afterwards......

An example of myself, would be, me being pushed and manipulated by a service to self person, to help him violate someone else....this goes against every fiber of my being, so I may eventually blow up at the service to self person, while protecting the other person.

When I blew up, I felt like I was being selfish, but in hindsight, I realize, I was just protecting other people from the service to self person, hence being in service of those I was protecting.;)

Make sense? :)

soup

03-30-2008, 02:46 PM

The idea of blowing up to someone acting in an STS way reminds me of a subtle shift in awareness I had at some point in my marriage. I resolved that women who take in earnest the role of being good mothers had some innate sense of the greater good. And so I came to subordinate my role in any confrontational way in trust that a mother knows best. It was an effort to live in harmony without adversity by way of using self discipline to self suppress my own desires.

This approach might work given an upstanding matriarch, though in other cases - a less than benign matriarch will have some percentage of STS actions which undermine sustainability. That is, there may be tangents taken where the greater good is compromised. Here a breaking point may be reached where some other arrangement of relationship can be redefined in ways that become more sustainable. It may be that the ideas related to this complement Ra's mention of adversarial marriages and the inherent limitation of those, though difficult to say for sure.

Of course "blowing up" seems to have as consequence, the risk that one may fall into circumstance that they are "blown up at" later. Here, the idea of using self discipline to "not blow up" may be a choice of greater harmony, even though it can lead to a condition of "blow up" at a snails pace. A violent approach offers the advantage of speed in reaching breakdown when such slow tortures becomes unbearable. Of course there's the emotionally abusive pattern where one "blows up" one instant and "begs forgiveness" the next. It seems fairly common and for those who have fallen to such lows, I'd offer that there are other ways of living which offer higher degrees of happiness for those who choose them.

soup

AmelieJolie

03-30-2008, 06:12 PM

Perhaps there is no "right" path.

My definition of negativity is not simply selfishness, but actually going out of one's way to harm others.....

One thing I don't understand right now, is if STS beings actually get to evolve so far to higher densities, wouldn't they figure out soon enough that service to self only results in bad karma and does not serve the self? That living in a place where little love is shared (because of selfishness) leads to loneliness, not intimacy.....that living in a place where selves desire to exploit one another constantly only leads to perpetual suffering, and harming others only comes back in the way of karmas to teach one otherwise.......

It doesn't make sense right now-

is there something I am missing?

FooSnik

03-31-2008, 05:27 AM

lala

03-31-2008, 06:45 AM

This questions reminded me David's project camelot video, when he brings the idea of the importance in respecting the free will of others, and the difference between service to others and service to self, and how service to others can became service to self when we feel corcerned about the results of our intervention....

SuperManny

03-31-2008, 09:26 AM

Perhaps there is no "right" path.
Oh yes, there's always a "right" path, but even knowing this I often choose the "left" one! :D One thing I don't understand right now, is if STS beings actually get to evolve so far to higher densities, wouldn't they figure out soon enough that service to self only results in bad karma and does not serve the self?I suspect that bad karma may actually serve the STS, much the same way good karma would serve the STO. ..living in a place where selves desire to exploit one another constantly only leads to perpetual suffering, and harming others only comes back in the way of karmas to teach one otherwise...... Yes I think they do understand the consequences, and this is precisely their goal. They gain tremendous power and polarity by this "perpetual suffering, and harming others" when/if they are the cause of it

I doubt that we on the STO path will ever completely understand their goals and desires, and exactly what makes them 'tick', because they are so very different from us. Almost all that we hold dear is loathed and despised by them, and vice versa.

The Creator, in Its infinite desire to know Itself, must explore all possibilities, even to their most extreme, in order to completely understand Itself. In much the same way we will never be fully balanced and complete until we experience and integrate the 'darker' portions of ourselves that we have a tendency to repress.

AmelieJolie

03-31-2008, 12:03 PM

Yes I think they do understand the consequences, and this is precisely their goal. They gain tremendous power and polarity by this "perpetual suffering, and harming others" when/if they are the cause of it

Yes, but if their own actions came back to them, as karma suggests, they would learn empathy and change.

Deep suffering leads to deeper compassion.

Treat others as you would have them treat you.

The more we go through, experience, the more understanding we become.

I, for example- have been learning more and more how much better it is not to judge.

There is always a reason for everything, and love, not condemnation- is a far more successful way to go.

But I guess, there are times when the experience of suffering can cleanse the soul, and teach the entity a deeper compassion, leading them back to Oneness.

Forgive them, they know not what they do.

Infinite love is the only truth- everything else is creation.

mellisamouse

03-31-2008, 03:47 PM

Of course "blowing up" seems to have as consequence, the risk that one may fall into circumstance that they are "blown up at" later. Here, the idea of using self discipline to "not blow up" may be a choice of greater harmony, even though it can lead to a condition of "blow up" at a snails pace.

soup

You have a good point about "blowing up"..... I guess what I mean more than that is "STANDING MY GROUND".......if someone is trying to attack your child, or abuse them in some way, and you REFUSE to let it happen, by standing firm, I think that is what I mean by feeling like I am "blowing up", lol.... putting on a firm tone of voice and not backing down.....not exactly "blowing up and yelling"
but such a harsh contrast to my usually happy, easy, let it go attitude....sometimes this just clicks in. ;)

Perhaps there is no "right" path.

My definition of negativity is not simply selfishness, but actually going out of one's way to harm others.....

One thing I don't understand right now, is if STS beings actually get to evolve so far to higher densities, wouldn't they figure out soon enough that service to self only results in bad karma and does not serve the self? That living in a place where little love is shared (because of selfishness) leads to loneliness, not intimacy.....that living in a place where selves desire to exploit one another constantly only leads to perpetual suffering, and harming others only comes back in the way of karmas to teach one otherwise.......

I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) lol, I just DON"t understand it! I am totally LOST at this point as well.....just can't understand it at ALL! lol. ;) Almost seems insaine to me......:confused:

AmelieJolie

04-03-2008, 07:48 AM

"I dreamed I was a stranger in a strange land, where humans were silent...and animals were wise, and kind...to their human pets, and not so blind as man and woman, to the linking of God's creatures...and the Oneness of All".

~Linda Goodman

AmelieJolie

04-03-2008, 01:16 PM

He was only versed in the Bible and had no high school or college background of any kind. Up until his revelations, Cayce had never heard of the mystery religions. Yet the Cayce material agrees with everything about them that is known to be authentic. He spoke at length on Christian Gnosticism well before the Gnostic writings were discovered after his death. Cayce affirmed that Christian Gnosticism is the type of Christianity that was taught by Jesus. Much of the information from Cayce has solved some of the greatest mysteries of humanity, some of which were later validated after the discoveries of the Dead Sea Scrolls and the early Christian writings discovered in Egypt.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen049.html

The Theology of Christian Gnosticism

According to Gnostic theology, a series of "falling away" from the Whole that is God occurred in eternity which resulted in all that there is today. After the first "fall", the divine consciousness descended to the level of the divided consciousness; now after another "fall", it has fallen even further, into the depths of the unconscious; it has been "forgotten." It is now humanity's privilege to discover the potential realms of human existence and face the great challenge of the "ascension of consciousness" through the Man-God-Spirit transformation.

Once souls fell into the lower levels of consciousness, they became enamored of it and burned with the desire to experience the pleasures of matter. The souls then no longer wanted to disengage itself from these lower levels. Thus the world was born. From that moment souls forgot themselves. They forgot they original habitation, their true center and eternal being.

Gnosticism proceeds from one fundamental insight: this world in which we find ourselves is thoroughly and irretrievably less than holy. The soul is trapped in a prison of flesh, and the flesh is intrinsically less than divine. According to Gnostic theology, the creation of the cosmos came about as the result of a tragicomic mistake: the fall of the soul from God. Thanks to the advent of Christ in the lower realms of consciousness, the power of reconciling the fallen souls has been given to restore the One-ness and usher in the kingdom of light over the kingdom of flesh and matter. The unity of the Godhead is assured thanks to the introduction of the new uniting force, the Logos, the part of God who acts in the flesh and the material. It is important to distinguish the Logos (Christ) from the soul named Jesus. Any person has the potential of becoming a Logos but it was the soul known as Jesus who actually incarnated as a Logos and therefore became a Christ on earth.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen06.html

AmelieJolie

04-04-2008, 02:34 PM

I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) lol, I just DON"t understand it! I am totally LOST at this point as well.....just can't understand it at ALL! lol. ;) Almost seems insaine to me......:confused:

I just found this article, on this website, at the top of the page- "The Human Crisis and Divine Plan". You might find it interesting. I'm going to meditate on it a while. ;)

http://www.scottmandelker.com/

mellisamouse

04-05-2008, 12:24 AM

Cool. Thanks Amelie. :) I will look into it. :)

AmelieJolie

04-05-2008, 01:46 AM

My question now is- how does animal suffering fit into all of this? Do sadistic humans come back as laboratory animals? If so, there must be thousands of them......

I wish these teachers and so forth would include animal souls in all of this. :rolleyes:

Billuminous

04-06-2008, 09:07 AM

For me, reading Jiddu Krishnamurti, the Eastern philosopher, helped clarify what service-to-self means. IMO, "service-to-other" is a misnomer since it obviously doesn't mean service to other selves.

I would refer to it in the negative as in "not service to self" rather than "service to other".

I don't know if any of you are familiar with [name and leader] the self-proclaimed service-to-other emissary of the 4D STO Reticulans. This is good example of how the whole service-to-other concept has hoodwinked a lot of people. [moderator: this particular group utilises STO methods and interjects with manipulative propaganda designed to control-email Bill if interested in who it is]

vithar

04-06-2008, 01:27 PM

please tell us more. this will change everything...

do we create our own reality or not?

don't step on that ant!! and don't forget to get those homeless into your spare bedroom. good works. tell that to an army chaplain...before his head gets blown off.

soup

04-06-2008, 04:05 PM

...I wish these teachers and so forth would include animal souls in all of this...

Beyond any issue of label related to teachers and so forth, I'll offer that personally I observed young children as having an ingrained sense of justice that seems to wane with their innocence. This tendancy presented itself as support for the idea of "perfect justice" which seems well supported by the idea of reincarnation and the transmigration of souls from one life-form to another. In the timescale of the universe, the human race seems a relative newbie. So the idea of transmigration of soul also seems to support the idea of an "eternal" soul, though a sense of being part of an eternal soul may seem to escape many people. Maybe the idea of the veil supports the idea of "perfect justice" in some way or another.

soup

soup

07-20-2008, 01:44 PM

...How can we ensure that we are on the right track?...

Maybe there's metaphor to train tracks - a sense of power in going somewhere with momentum (as opposed to derailed, stuck in a rutt.)

soup

soup

08-10-2008, 01:31 PM

...How can we ensure that we are on the right track?...

More simply, this may relate to the notion of affirmation. It seems that some people find themselves affirmed by making "more money", while others find lesser degrees of fulfillment in money and greater fulfillment in some energetic way.

Fundamentally, the relative nature of monitoring one's track likely relates to the nature of monitoring one's trades and the myriad forms they come in and how one interprets them.

soup

jeremy6d

08-14-2008, 07:48 AM

How can we ensure that we are on the right track?

Consciously, I don't believe we can ensure this. The search for sureness is part of the problem: we want to make a dynamic, fluid creation static along our particular individual identities and comfort zones. This is in direct contradiction to the purpose of this density as Ra has formulated it: to learn the lessons of love. Love is not easy, and it doesn't conform to the structures of consciousness that make third density as we conceive of it work. We shouldn't expect our experience learning it to be easy, either - there will be conflict as we learn a larger identity that third density is designed to prepare us for.

Part of the experience of third density, according to Ra, is that of confusion and lack of certainty. This means that our judgment of the "right track" must be based on our own seeking. Consequently, the answer to this question is highly subjective and extremely difficult to demonstrate to others. If you're aware of your own confusion, you've made a great leap forward in my opinion!

The best way forward on this matter, in my ever so humble opinion, is meditation and reflection. This affords you an inner experience that is often hard to achieve in this density, so that you can begin to use the lessons of daily life to discover the answer to your questions. More importantly, it is a way to begin to trust yourself so that, insofar as your experience is subjective, you don't have to rely on the approval of others.

In third density, the individual is the largest and smallest unit of volition - it is the fulcrum of all experience of the creation, generally speaking. Third density lessons are built around the individual, and any tensions within and without the individual are there by design. Keep that in mind; the utility of this density is not to "be certain" but to "know yourself so that you can love yourself".

All of the above my opinion totally.

ggw_bach

02-08-2009, 05:52 AM

I need some help understanding this passage from Session 17 of the Law of One -

Questioner: Is it possible by the use of some technique or other to help an entity to reach fourth-density level in these last days?

Ra: I am Ra. It is impossible to help another being directly. It is only possible to make catalyst available in whatever form, the most important being the radiation of realization of oneness with the Creator from the self, less important being information such as we share with you.

We, ourselves, do not feel an urgency for this information to be widely disseminated. It is enough that we have made it available to three, four, or five. This is extremely ample reward, for if one of these obtains fourth-density understanding due to this catalyst then we shall have fulfilled the Law of One in the distortion of service.

We encourage a dispassionate attempt to share information without concern for numbers or quick growth among others. That you attempt to make this information available is, in your terms, your service. The attempt, if it reaches one, reaches all.

We cannot offer shortcuts to enlightenment. Enlightenment is, of the moment, an opening to intelligent infinity. It can only be accomplished by the self, for the self. Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment, but who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?

----------------------------------
the words in question are:

The attempt, if it reaches one, reaches all.

this has been on my mind all day.

--- if you reach one, you reach all

how can I understand this? what does it mean in practice? it is like a zen koan that has a deep nugget of truth, but I cannot crack the shell. The words spin in my mind, defying analysis, comprehension. Now I know Ra rarely speaks in parables; he is quite direct in his communications. But here! it boggles me.

please help!

note: my rewording may have distorted the context of the original words by Ra. but even in the original context, it is quite inscrutable!

mmariebored

02-08-2009, 05:13 PM

...if you reach one, you reach all...

It may be as simple as adding information to the "collective consciousness" that can now be accessed by anyone attempting to gain "higher knowledge".

Being an artist, the best example of this I know is when an artist creates an image in their mind they give access of that image to anyone "in the zone" (so they should hurry up and be the first one to patent it), though, it does take a good amount of time for it to reach others(depending) and each person "distorts" it in their own way.

Deambor

03-20-2009, 01:42 PM

Not so simple to stay in true Service to Others path.

Consider this statement from Q'uo:

Another way that the negative polarity can seduce you from the positive path is to encourage you to use your power in order to help your family or your nation, or some element of the world, rather than the world as a whole.

Does it mean that if my child gets sick, and I send him love so that he gets better, that's a negative path already?

If so, I'm very negative entity, because I do it often.

Purple Dragon

03-20-2009, 05:00 PM

I could be wrong but from what I have read, even Ra said that "Service to Others" is just a generic term and should not be taken word for word. If someone thinks helping others will help them along the path, they may still be doing it for selfish reasons.

For what I have read, Ra is trying to tell us that Love is the positive path and Fear / Control is the negative path. If we have the Love emotion when helping others than we are on the right path. If we are helping others due to Fear of being on the negative path, we are probably on the negative path.

If someone yells at you, they are not doing it for your benefit, they are doing it for their own (Service to self). If we smile at them and let them know we are not interested in their negativity and still feel Love for them, we are on the Service to Others path.

So maybe it's not so much concentrating on being on a certain path, but focusing on Love that will help us stay true to our path?

conundrum

03-21-2009, 03:11 AM

The new or initial third density has this innocent, shall we say, bias or distortion towards viewing those in the family, the society, as you would call, perhaps, country, as self. Thus though a distortion not helpful for progress in third density, it is without polarity.

With out judgment I noticed how the media attention in regards to the Bali bombings focused
on how many of my fellow Australians got blown up and killed which was shocking to say the least.. what bugged me though was the fact that so many more native people got killed and injured than Australians and how little the media focused on that.
Like hello they are people to not to mention impoverished.

One of Edgar Cayces biggest dilemma's was that once he healed some one was that people reverted back to there previous behaviors and became sick again a problem many healers experience.
Its to do with our programming we have to rewire or change or programming some how which is in our minds or ego.. we are all getting bombarded with information from every direction a lot of which has been handed down for centuries as long as our heads have all
this old crap flowing through nothing will change we need to forgive it and let it go so some thing new can take its place its obsolete and getting us no where .

Please dont ask me how I am in the same boat as the rest of you humans or are they human that is ??? :confused:

Purple Dragon

03-21-2009, 12:54 PM

With out judgment I noticed how the media attention in regards to the Bali bombings focused on how many of my fellow Australians got blown up and killed which was shocking to say the least.. what bugged me though was the fact that so many more native people got killed and injured than Australians and how little the media focused on that.

I totally agree, the Media has a very narrow view of what is going on, I saw on the Calgary Herald this morning that
"Afghan bombs kill 4 Canadian Soldiers", "Victims were days away from returning home", "The deaths brought to 116 the numbers of Canadian soliders ... since ... 2002"
No mention of how many Afghan's have died, probably because the numbers is too large!

However the real point I wanted to make was when you said:
Its to do with our programming we have to rewire or change or programming some how which is in our minds or ego
Which made me think of the Law of One when Ra talks of Ego, and I think a suitable quote would be:
Ra: The third blockage resembles most closely that which you have called ego. It is the yellow-ray or solar plexus center. Blockages in this center will often manifest as distortions toward power manipulation and other social behaviors concerning those close and those associated with the mind/body/spirit complex. Those with blockages in these first three energy centers, or nexi, will have continuing difficulties in ability to further their seeking of the Law of One.
Which I think is trying to warn us to stop dwelling on our Ego's. I don't know if it is possible to just stop listening to your Ego as I think it is always present, but if we can listen to what it says without acting or dwelling on it, we may be more likely to head down the Positive Path.

Ignol

03-21-2009, 07:32 PM

charles obscure

03-22-2009, 09:20 AM

It disturbs me that STO is seen as the 'right' path. In actual truth, all paths are right. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being Negative, and it even says as you advance higher in the densities, it is easier and easier to switch back and forth between polarities.

I think people may come across this way because this is a pretty positive board. If you were to visit a board of people polarizing negatively they would probably have similar biases. Either path requires much discipline and dedication, and all though the LoO states what you've posted it also states in many places this process (of switching polarities) takes a lot of effort, even after 5th density. Its not like one is just a whimsical entity floating back and forth between positive and negative densities -- it doesnt work that way. The Ra material also states our logos (galactic creator) has a bias towards kindness, and that our upcoming harvest will be positive, it also states the positive path is more efficient I believe, or at least this is what our logos percieves. Therefore I see a lot of love and support focused our way on positive polarization. Also if you read closely at the advice Ra gives it is always positive (ie suggesting meditation is a more dependable way to enlightenment than drugs etc), even though Ra is clearly of a density beyond polarity, they still themselves in this literature lean towards positive development. So all though there are infinite possibilities and choices for all beings and no mistakes or right or wrongs, it shouldnt be surprising all things considered that this board which is based on the Ra material has a strong focus towards the positive path, and rightly so I believe.

Purple Dragon

03-22-2009, 11:02 AM

It disturbs me that STO is seen as the 'right' path. In actual truth, all paths are right. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being Negative, and it even says as you advance higher in the densities, it is easier and easier to switch back and forth between polarities.

I'm not 100% sure on what STO stands for, but assuming you mean the Positive path, I think we can all agree with you when you say neither path is the "correct" path. As per the teachings of Ra, we all have a choice to follow either path, and we as the Creator want to learn both paths to their fullest.

That being said however, I think it is also accurate to say that most people on this forum all believe in David's teaching, which are in fact geared towards Love & Truth and not Control & Manipulation. So although both paths are correct, most here have chosen to walk the Positive path, and so that path is "right" for must of us on this forum. Also, I'm pretty sure everyone here will say that no one is above anyone else and we all treat each others as equals, which is again a trait of the Positive path as the Negative path trys to control and manipulate each other.

I hope that came out right & clears up any misconceptions.

KassandraLoves

03-22-2009, 11:47 AM

I truly feel that this topic is one of those "sticky wickets" you know? Its VERY VERY difficult to judge what is STO and STS.

But what I think is important, is not what another can tell you. Its not what someone else deems is an STO or STS situation. Its your INTENTIONS. Plain and simple. Theres no hemming and hawing over if it was right or wrong. Theres not a way to get an outside opinion on it.

Your INTENTIONS, even if they were only in your head for a split second (in 3D time) are SEEN fully by the universe. And thats that glass ceiling that David talked about recently in his blogs. Your intentions and inner thoughts on your actions and non-actions are fully read and computed by the intelligent infinity that is the universe.

Your intentions will speak volumes for what you are doing! I cant really give any examples because there are none to give. Its pure 100% intentions that create an STS or STO lifestyle or decision.

If your intentions display to you that you are actively Serving others, even if youre judged by the outside world as not doing so, then STO is STILL an influence in your existance. And Vice-Versa.

Theres no manual for this stuff. And I kinda like it like that.

Purple Dragon

03-26-2009, 06:47 PM

Your INTENTIONS, even if they were only in your head for a split second (in 3D time) are SEEN fully by the universe. And thats that glass ceiling that David talked about recently in his blogs. Your intentions and inner thoughts on your actions and non-actions are fully read and computed by the intelligent infinity that is the universe.

But how do we know what our actual intentions are and what is just our Ego talking trying to confuse us? I find many thoughts are going through my head at any given time. I always try to ignore the ones that are pointed towards STO, but they never-the-less cross through my mind.

Obviously most, if not all, of us on this forum are working towards that 51% STO margin that David has told us we need to get to, but then it was also said that Venus was a very positive planet and still only had a 16% harvest.

Does this mean even if STS thoughts are going through our mind and even if our awareness doesn't agree with our Ego, we could still potentially not be able to make the 51% margin?

aqcheryl

04-05-2009, 04:38 PM

But how do we know what our actual intentions are and what is just our Ego talking trying to confuse us? I find many thoughts are going through my head at any given time. I always try to ignore the ones that are pointed towards STO, but they never-the-less cross through my mind.

Does this mean even if STS thoughts are going through our mind and even if our awareness doesn't agree with our Ego, we could still potentially not be able to make the 51% margin?

When we practice service to others and its truly service to others and not to self - example some people might do charity work which does do service to others but the core reason they do it is not because it needs to be done, but rather because they want the recognition for it. Thats when it becomes service to self more, I think... and invites the ego to continue to generate similar thoughts.

When someone has the 'purity of heart' in their reasons, it leads to purity in ego. So how we see and feel about things is represented to and by our ego.

I dont think all negative thoughts are caused by ego - I think they are influences by negative entities, and when that happens, its not the thought that counts, but our choices in responding to it.

In my opinion a simple answer to what is service to self, is when you place your needs above others.

I think we dont have to be expected to be 100% service to others, because quite frankly there is much that he have to perform as service to self, for example as on the other thread, we have to learn to love ourselves, but also theres times where we feel under the weather and so we have to back out of doing something because of it, etc.

"What can I do to help, because it needs to be done"
vs.
What can I do to help, because what I can gain from it?"

I think is an example of service to self vs service to others type thoughts.

Purple Dragon

04-05-2009, 09:32 PM

"What can I do to help, because it needs to be done"
vs.
What can I do to help, because what I can gain from it?"

Very well put!

I love being able to share thoughts and be able to get true responses that come from the heart. There are so many people that we can talk to who sometimes only think about what they can gain from the conversation. Sometimes it's so easy to tell, others hide it well. But this message forum an amazing source of truth and love :D

aqcheryl

04-06-2009, 05:05 PM

Very well put!

I love being able to share thoughts and be able to get true responses that come from the heart. There are so many people that we can talk to who sometimes only think about what they can gain from the conversation. Sometimes it's so easy to tell, others hide it well. But this message forum an amazing source of truth and love :D

and even then theres shades of grey as well

just as some perform service to others with ultimate goal of service to self

some must perform service to self in order to ultimately be service to others
(ie, taking the time to learn and think for yourself is a service to self, but yet its a positive one :D)

mmariebored

04-07-2009, 10:14 AM

I just thought I'd be cheeky and ask another question which I feel is rather important. It's been on my mind for some time, but I put it to one side.

I'd like to know the definitions of what service to self means exactly.
I know that controlling others comes into it, but some people try to be controlling because they believe, in their own minds, that they are trying to help humanity, therefore, although IMO this isn't the way to go about things- they are not exactly doing it for selfish reasons as such.

In my opinion, service to self means actually abusing or exploiting others for one's own gain.
Anyone trying to manipulate another person's actions to match what THEY believe is the best "for all", is playing with "negative fire", because that is how negatives work. Under the guise of a positive "good deed". Controlling another person, no matter what excuse you're using, is wrong. The best way to show a person the direction you feel is "correct" is to say it straight forward, and if it's not what they feel is right, leave them alone, because harassing a person into doing your will, will turn them negative.

We're all on the "right track", IMO, if we do what feels right inside of us. Listening to other people who try to make you feel you're not doing enough is very destructive and you will never be able to live up to their expectations. People are generally good and want to do good, it's the people who try to force what they feel is good onto others that causes a lot of bad. I don't feel that making suggestions to someone is bad, but trying to force your suggestions into actions, or bombarding another person continuously with your suggestions will have an opposite effect on them. Then you have to ask yourself, who's side are you really on? Are you truly doing a STO?

When we're not doing "enough", we feel it. When someone else tries to push you into feeling what they think you should be feeling, it's a safe bet they themselves are being manipulated by negatives.

Throughout the entire LoO we see this attitude of allowing people to grow at their own pace. Very different from the demanding mentality of the old religions.
Which is why I get surprised when I see people claiming to be of the mentality of a higher "D" preaching down at people or talking condescendingly about them.

"Ra---You will recall that we went into some detail as to how those not oriented towards seeking service for others yet, nevertheless, found and could use the gateway to intelligent infinity. This is true at all densities in our octave. We cannot speak for those above us, as you would say, in the next quantum or octave of beingness. This is, however, true of this octave of density. The beings are harvested because they can see and enjoy the light/love of the appropriate density. Those who have found this light/love, love/light without benefit of a desire for service to others nevertheless, by the Law of Free Will, have the right to the use of that light/love for whatever purpose. Also, it may be inserted that there are systems of study which enable the seeker of separation to gain these gateways.

This study is as difficult as the one which we have described to you, but there are those with the perseverance to pursue the study just as you desire to pursue the difficult path of seeking to know in order to serve. The distortion lies in the effect that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve others is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One."

It sounds like you could round this down to "don't try to judge others".

The idea of organizing an effort directed to the sending out of a continuous, virtual invitational open-letter "call for help" to the Cosmos, scares me a bunch.

Hmmm. Who out there will be happy to oblige us? Yeah, I can think of one:the Crusaders from Orion; they would gleefully respond to our naive invitation for someone to "help" set us on the right spiritual path. :eek:

Let's take a look at the general types who might be interested in the two-legged, upright denizens of Gaia. I've read that they can be roughly divided into three types, The (good?) Shepards: who consider us their owned flock to be guided around then sheared; The Parents: Those coming across like stage mothers who want to manage our affairs in order to keep us out of trouble -- who stunt our growth by keeping us contained along the straight and narrow; The Mentors: those like the Ra -- who don't want to interfere by doing the job for us -- They help in an indirect manner by giving us stimulating philosophical concepts up to the point of but not violating the Law of Confusion. (free will) It seems that they want contacts who will maintain a healthy, "Let ME do it Mommy!" attitude :D

So, just how do we carefully fashion our call for help? Do we place our call specifically to only those complexes holding to the Christ Principle, and who can help without screwing up the path designed by the One Creator? (Of course where do we get off questioning the sloggedly path that we are actually trodding right now???gets confuseder and confusedererer. :confused:

Applauds! Not that we shouldn't try to help people or call on higher help, but how far will we go and will it be abused? More often that not. Power corrupts, and there are plenty of negatives waiting and guiding that twinge of corrupting power towards full fledged negative pollution of the entity.

LordDragon

04-17-2009, 05:47 AM

This study is as difficult as the one which we have described to you, but there are those with the perseverance to pursue the study just as you desire to pursue the difficult path of seeking to know in order to serve. The distortion lies in the effect that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve others is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One."

Wise words from Ra. Again in duality as in 3d the STO and STS are two sides of the same medaillon. For in truth there is no real difference, when we serve our self, we also serve others, and when we serve others we also serve ourself. It's all about the balance. When this system is in balance we work properly, when it's not we are in trouble. An out of balance situation is STS an sich, with the 95%, you can not talk about balancing something anymore. In the STO case there is a balance between STO and STS. I belive Ra did this on purpose. Because he has to count in our free will he gives us a riddle. But when you're smart enough you can see that it is all about balance. From Ra's point of vieuw there is no good or bad. But down here in 3d there is good and bad simply because we humans behave that way, we create the duality ourselves because we belive we have to take a side. And most people do take a side, and this can be very good learning experience to them, so let them do ( free will) But the endresult is that to become one, we have to behave as one. We don't have to choose a side anymore, we are now in a new game, the game of balance. I believe this balance begins in ourself, the inner balance is very important. When you have inner balance it shouldnt be that difficult to create outer balance, because you are in balance with yourself allready, and the law of one, you also are in balance to others, and it happens quasi automatic in this way you dont have to force things. Start inside yourself.

I see many people having sort of fear when they realise the STO/STS thing. ANd some start to force their STO, like the examples in the former posts. I belive this is because they are looking in the wrong place, they should start looking inside and first create balance within. This is offcourse just my vision, you all have to choose the path yourself. But walk with the heart, think with the heart, talk with the heart, act with the heart. The inner balance is reached with the heart. Let's try this, use your heart to bring balance in STO/STS in you. If you think with only the mind you're bounded to the ratio, but when one thinks with his mind and his heart one finds himself above ratio.

Blessings, LD.

Kreecher

04-17-2009, 08:29 AM

I think it might also be an option to just focus on trying to be our own true selves. When I look at the world all of us have grown up in and are growing up in, I can't imagine a lot of us having arrived where we are now, without some wounds and scars that might need some loving attention and healing. So it seems to me that this "being ourselves" is quite a big task on its own already. This is why I believe we have gotten the gift of "only" needing to be 51% STO vs the 49% STS. Most of us just nééd that 49% STS to figure out <ourselves> first. I know I do...

This raises a few questions in me though:
1. What is the real reason we are all so eager to help others? Are we doing so because we feel in our heart this is our path (= true STO) ? Are we helping somebody because it helps us to avoid facing our own problems/issues (= form of escapism) ? Or are we doing so because, consciously or subconsciously, we expect something in return ranging from a simple thank you to the need of reaping succes when helping another (= form of inner energy balancing using other ppl's energy) ?

2. When I keep the previous in mind, wouldn't it be more logical to first service ourselves ? To get to know ourselves ? And to USE this gift of 49% STS to learning to be in a state of true inner (energetic) balance ? Isn't it so, that when we still have our own trauma's, that our energy levels just aren't steady ? That there is not yet that inner balance ? And without a true inner balance, can we truly help an other self in a pure way ? In a true STO way ?

3. So aren't we also doing some form of STO when we are helping ourself to become our own TRUE self ? Because by becoming who we truly are meant to be, we will be able to really become self sufficient in our own energy levels. By doing so we don't nééd any energy besides our own and can give freely and thus offer "real" Service To Others.

=> So in my mind, the whole STO and STS story doesn't have very clear boundaries. Some things that might seem STS at first glance, might actually be STO. And some things that might seem like they are STO, might very well be STS.

For example:
x choosing to work on your self, might seem like an STS thing to do, because YOU yourself will benefit from it. But by helping your own self (STS), you will eventually be able to be a purer form of STO. So then, is this STS or STO ...

x When I focus on this whole "wanting to be harvested thing" and "wanting to be 51% STO", won't my seemingly STO actions be STS actions ? In other words, will I act STO because I myself want to get harvested ? Or because it is in my heart to do so ?

Since this boundary is so garbled up, I kind of just try to find myself in this beautiful mess we call a life. I try to find my own true path and try to establish my inner energy balance. This by attempting to be conscious about a whole lot of things, such as: "automated reactions" I have, "judgmental thoughts" that pop up in an unguarded moment, seeing my own true intentions when helping somebody and recognizing true STO opportunities and the likes.

Breaking my head about "am I STO enough or not", wont do me a lot of good. So I just try to live my life by the lessons I learn along the way and accept that I'll make my share of mistakes. But I'm eager to learn and grateful to be alive.

I've also read this thread -> Divine Cosmos Discussions -> Discussions -> 2012 Databank -> Do David and Ra disagree?, and I feel there might be some thoughts there that help as well in understanding the question in this thread: "What is service to self? How to stay on the right path?"

dreamweaver

04-17-2009, 10:35 AM

Thank you Kreecher! My head was starting to split apart just trying to comprehend all that everyone was saying because it IS ALL SO CONFUSING AT TIMES and WE ALL want to do the right thing and be good people! I agree with you so much, cause I think decisions in daily life become all gray at times, instead of just a black and white course. Your words came across like a giant wave of clear turquoise ocean water over the top of my head like WHOOSH it's perfect to be human in all of this!!!!!

aaaaaaaaah and the wave rolls back.

Blessed are the pure in heart....

/Dreamweaver

mmariebored

04-17-2009, 11:00 AM

1. What is the real reason we are all so eager to help others? Are we doing so because we feel in our heart this is our path (= true STO) ? Are we helping somebody because it helps us to avoid facing our own problems/issues (= form of escapism) ? Or are we doing so because, consciously or subconsciously, we expect something in return ranging from a simple thank you to the need of reaping succes when helping another (= form of inner energy balancing using other ppl's energy) ?
Lately, I've been trying to remind myself to think of it in a "raise the vibration of the planet" type of way. Not "save the world" or "help as many people as possible"..

To raise our own vibration is to raise everyone's.

I think you're absolutely correct about helping ourselves being the most important STO, because it's hard to help others if we ourselves have issues that need to be resolved, deep down inside. We could end up harming someone we're trying to help if we're not 100% STO in that moment. To be 100% STO is to be driven by "Infinate Intelligence" and there are no mistakes.

dreamweaver

04-19-2009, 12:57 PM

Someone else said something that really helped me with this difficult question we are all asking ourselves in this thread. They said that our soul urges us through our feelings rather than our brain. What occurred to me was that when I receive so much new insights, knowledge, light, blessings from others, etc. sometimes my head starts to ache, like its expanding too much inside. In other words, I have received so much my cup is trying to run over; I am self-absorbed like a too-wet sponge. Since the soul moves us through feelings, I would equate that to a direct sign that I have gone too far into the Service to Self mode, by not spilling out some of that light by serving others in thought, action, or whatever other means I could (and now should) be giving it out.

I would say that feelings like headaches, depression or despair, egotism, self-righteousness, all of those kinds of feelings are our internal barometer for when to get out of yourself and go spread that light around somehow, wherever and however you get the chance to do it. Service to others big green blinking light.

Smiles are a great little way to start emptying that cup runneth over.....and I'm smiling right now, cause I'm getting that green light. Gotta go find some way to serve. Later!

Love.

mmariebored

04-19-2009, 08:23 PM

Dreamwaever, I'm going to tell all of my friends who suffer migraines and/or depression that they must not be doing enough STO. I don't think that will go over too well. Those are usually signs of off balance in nutrition and not enough exercise. ;)

Blacksunshine

04-20-2009, 09:35 AM

aqcheryl

04-20-2009, 11:22 AM

I find it ironic that it's almost impossible to serve others with out serving ourselves. Service to Others is a service to self. Now it's not selfish or greedy or wrong...it's just impossible to not do something wonderful for person/people/thing/earth and not leave with the biggest smile or warmth over your soul.

But that is what it is doing is raising vibration...causing an uplift to you and all that is effected...it actually changed perception of the entire moment, and it's amazing becuase how can that NOT effect you...therefore becoming an STS in discuise.

many blessings

I think it depends on your reasons. Some people service others ultimately for service to self. It could range from getting recognition, or to 'pat themselves' on their back. Some use it even as a defense so that others cant attack or judge them. Like 'you shouldnt attack her, she volunteers at the homeless shelter' etc. Most of the time its all subconscious we dont even know if we dont pay attention. Theres also the kind where you do it to feel good about yourself in general, because it kind of gives you a 'high' to help others, like what youre mentioning above. Thats all service to self by doing service to others - and I agree, it doesnt discount that youre still doing service to others.

There is, hopefully I think this is growing, right now a smaller few who know exactly why they do service to others - and its not for any reasons that could be service to self. At this point they are literally sacrificing themselves for the good of others, with no other reason than that it just needs to be done. They see an injustice and they have the power to fix it, or work to fix it, then they do it because it needs to be done, and it gives them no gain whatsoever. Indeed it takes a toll. They dont even leave with a smile on their face because they dont see what they have accomplished, they continuously see what still needs to be done, in order to make it right. And then if they do resolve the problem, they still cant look back at it as accomplishment because theres another issue that has to be resolved, etc. That is pure service to others with no service to self. It takes others to applaud them, and these people get very embarrassed by recognition, because they dont see what they are doing as anything big.

Although by being pure in their actions although they are not choosing to be service to self for their reasons... they inadvertently are learning and growing from it and service to self becomes a 'consequence' of it.

Both ways of doing it, are good, because they are positive service to self actions.

conundrum

04-20-2009, 04:17 PM

mmariebored

04-20-2009, 07:30 PM

I don't believe it matters each path has its out comes its only when you keep switching from one to another to avoid the consequences that you run into problem its like spinning around in a circle you get dizzy and fall down eventually.
We live on an earth that spins in circles, how can you expect anything less than the dizziness of its inhabitants.
(p.s. we all fall down in the end)

Chris Hamilton

04-20-2009, 07:55 PM

I would like to remind everyone that this thread is part of LoO and all conversations need to reference that. If not, they may be placed in another main thread. We don't want to sound pushy:rolleyes: But this is a dedicated thread for those studying LoO, so please respect that:) Chris

mmariebored

04-21-2009, 09:57 AM

We live on an earth that spins in circles, how can you expect anything less than the dizziness of its inhabitants.
(p.s. we all fall down in the end)

To anyone confused by this, this is a metaphor meaning pretty much the same thing as has been repeatedly said in this thread, concerning the LoO STS and STO. Sometimes, your perceptions are what is spinning, not the person you're observing. Even "Ra" said it's hard to tell who is STO and who is STS, and ultimately, we're all going in the same direction in the end.

Bwen

04-21-2009, 02:17 PM

NegaNova

02-01-2010, 03:23 PM

I started reading The Law of One last weekend and I started the second book this week. I didnt read all 10 pages of the responses but I still wanted to answer the original post in my own way.

If you are asking what you should and should NOT do then the answer is very simple. There is nothing you shouldn't do. I believe that there is no wrong and there is no good, we are truly one. In that mind set you should not avoid any experience because other people or documents tells you so. Experience whatever feels right to you.

From what I read, so far, the Orion group works with fear. if your decision is to stay away from that experience then don't be afraid to make mistakes. Because mistakes will actually show you the right path. There is nothing more powerful than realizing on your own this experience is not for you. I believe that these documents, atleast to my first impression, can be misinterpreted in the sense of "Oh no what shouldn't I be experiencing. Where is the bad bad bad". This I believe is an alteration of the Orion group with fear, according to The Law of One. Please don't focus on what you DON'T want to experience but more on what you do want.

I believe, as well, that trying to find the blame outside of yourself is actually beside the point of the Law of One. We are truly one, no wrong no right.

To answer the question more directly "How to stay on the right path?", i'll simply say that you cannot get off the right path because it is yours. Some paths are slower some paths are faster. But it is not a race, never was. The longer path has a lot more experiences to it thus I believe much more "refined".

I definitely agree with you here. I was contemplating today how service to others is in essence also service to the self, and service to self a service to others - and I thought, if that is true, then we are constantly being 100% service to self and 100% service to others.

Ra talks about how 51% STO will result in graduation into fourth density positive, and 95% STS will result in STS negative, and I mean, I understand that they are referring to intention when referring to percentages, but does anyone think that perhaps these numbers were given in order for us to overcome the restrictive thought of those numbers being even relevant? I mean, Ra even explains that we are existing with infinite paradox, while the 6th density (them) has those paradoxes simplified..

but.. well I guess I am on the fence with this one. Because although I wish to be STO and always helpful, I know that sometimes I am not and sometimes even feel anxiety in fear that I am not STO enough to graduate into fourth, but I'm starting to feel that this is teaching me to let go of the numbers and just be, trying to understand that no matter what I do I am servicing the great all, and I feel comfort in that. I'm not sure if this feeling will last, but Bwen, you have seemed to make it pretty clear for me and confirmed my own thoughts. So, thank you very much. :)

WhatsUpJulieB

02-08-2010, 02:59 PM

It is all about "intentions". If your intentions inside the mind do not match your actions, then you are not being of service to yourself or others. This is one of the hardest lessons to get and then to train yourself to do. Once you master this lesson you will then begin to understand how being negative can be bad for everyone and everything. When your intentions match your actions you are being honest from your mind to your body. Once you learn this process you will find that you are now being honest about everything. This is where you learn that we should all try to think positively at all times. When we get to the next level one of the great things about it is that we will know each others thoughts and feelings. We will not be able to hide how we feel and what we really think. Therefore, we had better learn here on Earth how to think good thoughts and follow thru with corresponding actions (verbal/non verbal). A lot of people will not understand how important this is and they will not progress onward. You can think anything you want, but your actions are what we see and experience here on Earth. Therefore it is very easy to think one thing and do another. This makes it very easy to manipulate or speak lies. You can tell me that you hope I get the promotion and then secretly try and sabotage my chances. This is an example of intentions not matching your actions. We can get away with this here on Earth, but we are causing great harm and will not move forward. When we practice making our unknowable thoughts pure and good and follow through with corresponding actions that the world can see and experience, then we will be ready for the next level where thoughts and intentions can be heard at all times. That is why we must learn to truly love each other while we are here on Earth. We will not be able to hide what we are when we move to the next level and it is my opinion that we will not be allowed to move forward if our intentions and thoughts are not of a loving nature. Think of the great harm it would cause if others could hear our thoughts and they were negative instead of loving. This touches on what David means when he says that he only thinks positive thoughts because he feels that others can hear or sense them.