Service to Others

[joebananas101]

hello all. i had some questions, yet again. now we are all familiar with the concept of being service to self and service to others. as for me, i choose service to others. but, i don't think i truly understand what it means. how can someone be in service to others. i am also familiar with some of the rules such as not ever blocking another person's freewill, or offering help when it is not requested and maybe more rules. how can a person be service to other on a daily basic. things you do in a daily life. does doing your job with honestly and doing your best, count as service to others? this is one of the questions i have. what else counts as service to others? being 17, and easily influenced, i just wanted to make it more clear to myself exactly which way i'm treading...

[Spiral of Light]

hi joebananas,

service to others can be a positive action as small as a friendly smile and a helping hand... or it can be as great as the sacrifice of your life for another.

when i first learned about sto from the law of one, i was concerned that i was getting the information at a time that i consider to be late in my life. i worried about all the lost opportunities that had passed me by, and i wondered if perhaps i should move to a different job or a different location to be in a position to provide the most service to others that would be possible.

but after listening to david's science of peace cds it became very clear to me that we don't need to do anything other than bloom where we are planted. we can be the best that we can be wherever we are by focusing on love in our own lives and sharing it with others wherever and whenever possible.

so, to answer your question: yes, being honest and doing our best can be counted in our favor. add to that a loving, peaceful attitude and you're on your way!

i highly recommend listening to the science of peace series which is available in the online store. it will answer all of the questions you have asked here...and many, many more.

with love and light,
nancy

[Kris]

hello all. i had some questions, yet again. now we are all familiar with the concept of being service to self and service to others. as for me, i choose service to others. but, i don't think i truly understand what it means. how can someone be in service to others. i am also familiar with some of the rules such as not ever blocking another person's freewill, or offering help when it is not requested and maybe more rules. how can a person be service to other on a daily basic. things you do in a daily life. does doing your job with honestly and doing your best, count as service to others? this is one of the questions i have. what else counts as service to others? being 17, and easily influenced, i just wanted to make it more clear to myself exactly which way i'm treading...

hi joebananas

i believe that one of the ways to be of service to others is exactly as you have said - doing your job honestly and doing your best. when you are the best possible you, then your service or light is reflected in all you say and do and people can feel this.

i know this topic has come up many times in the past year so i did a search and found tons of helpful answers from some pretty enlightened people that may be of help to you.

if you click on the search icon and go to advance and type in the words "how can i be of service to others", you will find a wealth of advice.

good luck. it sounds like you're definately on the right track.

kris

[Debbie]

from what i have learned in my life, as one becomes more enlightened and full of unconditional love, it spreads to others around them somehow. so every day i work on becoming more enlightened and allowing unconditional divine love to flow through me out unto all others to the very best of my ability. even if that is all that i do every day that is of service to others, i feel that is a great service indeed, because of how much negativity there is that we all encounter on a daily basis. i try not to be a part of the negativity, and try very hard to stay on the positive side of things. if everyone on earth tried to do the same thing, this would be a much better place. :)

[butterfriends]

to me sto is more about who you are and less about what you do. and even then it's more about who you are as a complete spiritual entity rather that this particular incarnation.

when you look at others do you see the spark of the creator in them? if so then you are sto and your actions will naturally demonstrate that. so worry less about 'how' you can be sto and simply be all that you can be, sharing your love and light with those you encounter.

[Rhonda]

butterfriend..... (you melt and become many friends?)

anyway, you said it well ..... once you have this step, you are beaming with love and light and one can not help but project that out.....

you want to be around people and people want to be around you

[lauramcnerney]

the experience of a life in service means service to all, including yourself and others. how could you positively serve others without first serving your own needs to be able to serve others more effectively. as individuals we must follow the ways of wisdom, purity, health, love, and attend the needs and duries that care for the temple of our own being. so in one apect of service, this obligates us to be the most and the best we can be in our own beings, and then through this accomplishment, our intention to serve others is more fully and completely able to be realized. in coming to know the self truly and deeply one meets that creator within who then introduces us to our commonality with all other beings. sometimes, it is this simple connection that engenders the light of life, who's presence itself is one of the greatest services to others we can possibly perform. more than what we can contrive to do as service with our small minds or do with our small hands, the love that comes from our hearts and spirits can do so much more to help the needs of humanity, in an instant of time. therefore if we first seek to become a worthy vessel of service through surrendering to love, giving ourself over to true knowledge and true grace, we become the instrument of true service, to be used by the hand of the true creator who can see clearly what is needed. we are then guided to be at the right place at the right time to supply whatever is needed of love and life. the plans of mice and men, no matter how carefully contived oft fall short of truly serving the needs completely, but the divine will never fails to succeed completely. so pray with all of your being to be worthy of the great priveledge of being chosen to serve, and pray for the energy and protection you will need to uphold such great energy and force. then get out of the way and let it happen. lead with your spirit and your heart and keep your mind in the back seat, well away from the steering wheel. and when you fail and fall down as inevitably every servant does, do not fall down for good and give up your great aspiration. learn, grow, purify yourself again, try harder, be more diligent and ask for help, humbling yourself before the lord your god. service is something you must choose for each and every new second of your life. it is not something you choose to do once and forget about it. it is hard to serve and easy to avoid service. service will ask everything of you that you have and cherish and covet, to be given up for the sake of others. it will make of you and foot path, a door way an unthanked door mat well trodden. to serve others well one must penetrate the self and let the self go. not an easy task but in the end one most gratifying. he who would truly serve love and life must let go of all else, must stand in the way of an exploding sun to shield a small planet, must stand the scourging of the very beings you are giving yourself to save from their own ignorance. not an easy choice to sustain one upon.
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[butterfriends]

rhonda the name butterfriends comes from butterflies, when my sister was little in our garden she seemed to always have butterflies following her around - she called them her butterfriends. it has long been my intention to write a childrens story about the 'butterfriends' and having the word as my user name is just a little prod so that the idead doesn't slip from my mind :)

[Art]

i know i've posted on this before, but i'll give it another try.

in my opinion, its easier to define what isn't service to others and avoid those attitudes/behaviors/beliefs.

so, you can ask yourself a few questions...

essentially, do you try to control and manipulate people?

would you help a person in need, even if it meant you'd be late for something?

all of us are pretty much sick of the negativity on the planet, but still, do you feel empathy for those in need, etc.?

again, easier to focus on what isn't sto. similar to psychology. abnormal is pretty easy to define, however, is there a definition of normal? we all know certain behaviors, etc., are not "normal", but then what is?

this is a question all of us has and each and every one of us has our own unique ways of serving. and most certainly, service can take the form of being a conduit for the love of the intelligent infinity to flow through you. if you feel "called" to do more, then by all means, go for it, but don't hold yourself to someone's definitions/experiences/expectations.

pretty much what everyone wrote so far covers it. none of us are "perfect" or "there yet" - we still have much to learn and process in the coming years. but, relax, reunite with your higher self through meditation, and try to see through the fog of daily life and experience the beauty of creation and oneness. :d

art

[Kris]

i just finished listening to david's what is my purpose? (which i highly recommend) and ra had this to say on the subject of service that i thought kind of summed it all up.


true service comes from the heart, not from the mind.

[Greywolf69]

well, i would like to help people on a spiritual basis and would like to heal others with the power of love and a mere touch or thought. yet, i am not looking to be a messiah, leader, prophet, or anything like that ... i want to help out not only humans, but all flora and fauna and earth herself, as well as all beings of love. yet, how am i able to help others when i am in need of help myself? would concentrating on my own spiritual evolution be considered selfish?

[Bill]

greywolf,

interesting question. if i 'withdraw' and focus on going within and developing my spirituality, does that make me selfish, and lead to service to self? very interesting question indeed. i know i have wondered that myself at times. and, i can see both sides to the answer. i think if i used it to notice how others seemed to be pre-occupied in their quest to control their destiny, and in effect, be of service to self, that is instructive. if, however, i find myself judging them (as i still do occasionally), then i guess i am seeing that as an excuse to view myself as separate from them, and would be considered sts?

it is only through expressing what we have discovered when we go internally that we can start to truly understand what being service to others is really about. yes, i know i attract the experiences to have others show how wonderfully rude or conceited they can be, and if i am fortunate, i remember myself being judgmental, thank them for the lesson i requested, and bless them as they go on assisting other spiritual wanderers with their development.

so, can you see the difference in your perspectives by going within, and relating with the 'external' world? if so, then i believe you are evolving in your spiritual growth, and take time to remember that, be thankful for it, and bless those that continue to show up and share the lessons with you!

[Art]

well, i would like to help people on a spiritual basis and would like to heal others with the power of love and a mere touch or thought. yet, i am not looking to be a messiah, leader, prophet, or anything like that ... i want to help out not only humans, but all flora and fauna and earth herself, as well as all beings of love. yet, how am i able to help others when i am in need of help myself? would concentrating on my own spiritual evolution be considered selfish?

greywolf69 -

i would use the simple analogy:


how can you expect someone else to forgive you when you cannot forgive yourself first?

or:


how can you take care of someone when you yourself are not healthy?

so, to answer your question, in my opinion, concentrating on your spiritual evolution is not selfish. i believe david refers to this as inner work. in my understanding, we must complete our inner work before we can effectively perform outer work. here is something i wrote last june:


anyway, i have come to accept the future as it is and embrace the coming changes, whatever they may be. in the grand scale of things, the future is out of my single control, but, i can work to co-create a new world, with the workers of light emerging and gathering as we speak. as you point out, what specifically am i doing to help initiate the change? well, david speaks of inner and outer work. i am still in the process of completing my inner work (do we ever?) and starting, ever so slowly, to do more and more outer work. i believe they complement each other (as has been written in other posts). of course the "balance" tilts as we come to forgive and embrace ourselves, allowing more light to shine through and empowering each of us to help others along the way.

hope this helps. as far as i know, there isn't a "rulebook" for each of us to follow, just tons of information, some of it helpful, some of it misleading. follow your heart, look for information that resonates.

oh, and this isn't an easy 1-step process. think of an onion and the various layers. as we peel away the layers to get to deeper understandings of our true selves, or simply, the truth, we must face things about ourselves (shadow selves - jung) and integrate them into our whole being. its tough to write in only a paragraph and this post is already pretty lengthy.

some of the other forum members may be able to expand upon this.

good luck!

art

[Kris]

well, i would like to help people on a spiritual basis and would like to heal others with the power of love and a mere touch or thought. yet, i am not looking to be a messiah, leader, prophet, or anything like that ... i want to help out not only humans, but all flora and fauna and earth herself, as well as all beings of love. yet, how am i able to help others when i am in need of help myself? would concentrating on my own spiritual evolution be considered selfish?

hi greywolf69

i think the fact that you want to help others shows that you are a service to others person, however, you definately should concentrate on your own spiritual evolution first. it is not selfish, it is necessary.

i'm wondering if you even read this thread that you've posted on as your question has been answered here.

lauramcnerney says it well on this thread when she says:


the experience of a life in service means service to all, including yourself and others. how could you positively serve others without first serving your own needs to be able to serve others more effectively. as individuals we must follow the ways of wisdom, purity, health, love, and attend the needs and duries that care for the temple of our own being. so in one apect of service, this obligates us to be the most and the best we can be in our own beings, and then through this accomplishment, our intention to serve others is more fully and completely able to be realized. in coming to know the self truly and deeply one meets that creator within who then introduces us to our commonality with all other beings.

my advice, for what it's worth, keep reading and asking questions which will enable you to grow and become enlightened and others will see the change in you, they will feel the love and the light coming from within you, and you will be helping others without even realizing it.

you're on the right track.

[SuperManny]

...how am i able to help others when i am in need of help myself? would concentrating on my own spiritual evolution be considered selfish?
there is no real distinction, except in the mind of the helper/helpee, since we are all one.

if you wish to be a true healer, then start by healing everything you see, that needs healing. it matters not, whether the place you are healing is in your body or in someone else's body. what is important is that healing is taking place. the giving and the receiving energy is the same energy. to set its flow in motion, sometimes you need to give; sometimes you need to receive.

think about it. when you are healing yourself, are you giving or receiving?

[Greywolf69]

to kris:
good looking out ... you were right when you wondered if i read the whole thread first, wich i didnt. i tend to do that ... if something comes to mind, then i start to type. maybe i should read first, then if my questions are not answered, then ask the question.

and to everyone else, i do thank you guys for your words, thoughts, and love. i am glad that i joined this forum. you guys are great. although my path is a little more clear, there are still things that i need to work on. onve again ... thank you guys. = )

[larissa]

after reading ra's description of service to others (it's not a "soup kitchen" activity) and reading the comments on this forum, and reviewing my own feelings about this subject, it would be useful to have some opinions on what this means to you.

people seem to be concerned about whether they will "qualify" in the coming fourth dimensional shift. did they think more about others than themselves? and how do you distinguish being helpful from being codependent?

furthermore, doesn't this all somehow remind you of the concept of going to heaven or hell when you die, and it all revolves around putting others before yourself? dressing up old ideas in new clothes.

and who's the judge of all this? what if you're 50.5%? is that fair? is it even worth thinking about? what i can say for myself is that i can only do the best i can, and staying honest with myself as often as i can remember to do it is what is the most realistic for this moment.

[mellisamouse]

i think it is all about balance....for example, taking abuse of any kind would not be service to others....in fact it would be a disservice in my opinion....any type of enabling behaviour is not benefitting others.

i think service to others is natural for most, and then they think they are being selfish if they aren't a door mat. this is just not the case.

service to others also encapsles a whole range of things that aren't directly related to a relationship....some things like being envioronmentally concious, for example, shows concern for others.....

also taking care of yourself is a service to others as well, because when you are happy, healthy, and shining, this spreads to others weather you say or do anything for them. your smile, and genuine feelings from your heart still benefit others....even from a far, thinking loving thoughts about someone will effect their well being. if someone gets the privillage of hearing your giggle, it is good for them etc. ;)

[Goyo]

i have been thinking about this for quite some time. i came to my own realization that service to others is most likely determined by how much love you have in your heart. i think that's all it boils down to. when you have love in your heart for others, you will naturally follow a path of service and lack selfishness in your thoughts and actions.

if the fourth density is known as the density of love or understanding, then i think the 51% and greater prerequisite refers to whether or not we act upon a request for service when we are called. what mellisamouse said about maintaining a balance is very true. this is why harvestability is not something like 70% or more. we have to take care of/love ourselves. it all begins with the love that we have for ourselves. once we reach this point, we can freely share love with all others.

"seek the love in this moment" - these are by far some of the most powerful words that ra and david wilcock have spoken. there is so much truth and power in those words.

i'd like to close this with another favorite quote from the law of one...
"10.13 questioner: for the general development of the reader of this book, could you state some of the practices or exercises to perform to produce an acceleration toward the law of one?

ra: i am ra.

exercise one. this is the most nearly centered and useable within your illusion complex. the moment contains love. that is the lesson/goal of this illusion or density. the exercise is to consciously see that love in awareness and understanding distortions. the first attempt is the cornerstone. upon this choosing rests the remainder of the life-experience of an entity. the second seeking of love within the moment begins the addition. the third seeking empowers the second, the fourth powering or doubling the third. as with the previous type of empowerment, there will be some loss of power due to flaws within the seeking in the distortion of insincerity. however, the conscious statement of self to self of the desire to seek love is so central an act of will that, as before, the loss of power due to this friction is inconsequential.

exercise two. the universe is one being. when a mind/body/spirit complex views another mind/body/spirit complex, see the creator. this is an helpful exercise.

exercise three. gaze within a mirror. see the creator.

exercise four. gaze at the creation which lies about the mind/body/spirit complex of each entity. see the creator.

the foundation or prerequisite of these exercises is a predilection towards what may be called meditation, contemplation, or prayer. with this attitude, these exercises can be processed. without it, the data will not sink down into the roots of the tree of mind, thus enabling and ennobling the body and touching the spirit."

god bless you all:)

[Rhonda]

when you are true, truthful with yourself and others, you are being real and expressing yourself from the heart. when you are "real", your true self; you don't have to be concern with external influnces, you just do. the service you give is natural and flows forth from this real state of being.

heaven on earth, alive, in that real state, that is you !


i think it is all about balance....

i think service to others is natural for most, and then they think they are being selfish if they aren't a door mat. this is just not the case.

[~M^E~]

i resonate with all of the responses thus far.

[SuperManny]

after reading ra's description of service to others (it's not a "soup kitchen" activity) and reading the comments on this forum, and reviewing my own feelings about this subject, it would be useful to have some opinions on what this means to you.it could include "soup kitchen activity", altho this is probably not the primary meaning. ra was once asked about a situation (in africa, i think), and what would be the best action one could take in such a situation. ra said something like, if someone is hungry the most immediate and logical course of action would be to feed him/her. [i just did a search for this quote and i couldn't find it, so it may not be entirely accurate.]

i think a lot of what determines our sto percentage are the incidents that aren't planned out, in other words our instinctual reaction to any given event. i remember reading a story by that hypnotherapist that does past-life regression back to those in-between life events. i was very touched by one of the stories and i posted it here. (http://www.divinecosmos.com/forums/showpost.php?p=23260&postcount=9)

and who's the judge of all this? what if you're 50.5%? is that fair? is it even worth thinking about? what i can say for myself is that i can only do the best i can, and staying honest with myself as often as i can remember to do it is what is the most realistic for this moment.
somehow i don't think there are too many people in the 50.1 to 50.9% range. this is purely my intuition, but i think if anyone passes a certain point (say 40-45%) they would very likely have enough interest in their own personal development to propel them past the tipping point.

[ConsciousnessisDivine]

i don't get how this is possible, we are all connected therefore how are we able to serve something outside of the infinite conscious universe? i mean i understand what it's trying to get at, i am an individual and i help out another individual.

the only thing i can think about while helping other individuals is that i'm either paying them back for them helping me out before or my helping them out is making them happier/more positive which is better for the universe which is better for me, no matter what the outcome may be or my logical intention may be my motivation to serve is still love though. therefore everything according to me is service to self, yet there is still a positive sts and a negative sts.

is the term "service to others" just stated for those who don't understand how everything in this infinite universe is connected, conscious, and beautiful?

[StarGirl]

what a fasinating discussion to begin!

i'll bet we've all had some kind of wonderings around this service to others topic.

i hear you when you say, "therefore everything according to me is service to self" (because we are all essenstially one- what you do unto another you do unto yourself.)

yeah, sometimes when i've done something really selfless for someone else because it was in my heart to do so, i sometimes wonder, "even though i will get no direct benefit... i know the universe is just piling up the blessings to send back to me... so is it really selfless? i mean, you make sure that there is enough cake for everyone and you know you're going to get a piece... at some point anyway.

yeah, it's fasinating isn't it? i figure it is intent and detachment that create the positive vs negative sto

if your intent is to serve (be of usefulness to another) and you could care less about any kind of return, ever, i think this says something. a near perfect kinda detachment. like your fulfillment is in that moment of the giving or the service, then i think one is moving towards your term of "positive sto". and, i'll throw in: lack of agenda. if you are hoping to sway or push or create a certain outcome from what you do, there might need to be more detachment. i would say, if you come from love... how others receive it, is there own free will choice, you have done your part to give, and that is enough. do not try to try to hold any outcome for them, except perhaps love... which really means you are just continuing to hold/ give love for them.

maybe our job is just to love for the sake of loving and to then put that love in action where we can as our expression guides us...

i think some express love with a desire for a certain outcome, be it good or bad, and that attachment keeps it from really "leaving" you and "going" to the other person, maybe. the circulation, maybe? we are all one and connected but we need to circulate the love/flow/ the service (between us) in order to maintain and increase the energy. maybe like cells?

this is just a thought on maybe the difference between positive sto vs negative sto. i am sure there are many ideas on the topic.

much peace and love

darlyne

[mellisamouse]

i usually think more in terms of free will.

a service to others is someone who respects the free will of others.......

while a service to self infringes on the free will of others........ man i don't like it when people try to infringe on my free will or anyone elses. i think one way that we "serve" others is trying to help them preserve their free will by not infringing as long as it is nothing being done against our own free will in the process...

this is just my take on things. :)

[One 66]

in serving others, you serve your self, in serving your self, you serve others...

it's kind of like a catch 22 (there's no right or wrong in it all)

one 66 :cool:

[ConsciousnessisDivine]

such great insight, thank you stargirl and melissamouse.

what great qualities to have, to be selfless, open, and to never infringe on another's personal business unless asked to. makes you wonder why it's so hard for most 3rd density entities to realize this the second they are first told about it. i guess the spiritual blocker for the modern human is past religions and cults.

here's a quick story, i was at my dad's house for labor day on monday and he was pretty sick so he was just watching a star trek: next generation marathon most of the day, he's a total trekkie haha. now i'm not sure if you know what the borg are but they are a half biological half artificially advanced being. they have the equivalent of a group soul, the only downside is they try to assimilate or destroy everything that isn't a borg. the whole storyline behind this episode is that the people on the enterprise would rather die than lose their individuality. my question is, why would a person not want to understand another person fully? isn't that the result of a collective consciousness? several individuals in perfect harmony to achieve the greater good at a much quicker and more efficient rate would sound like a good thing to me. maybe the star trek people don't like this idea because there is no love involved with the borg 'group soul'.

i don't know what else to say, what do you think?

[BJ ∞ Living in the Now]

i feel each response in this post so far is onto the same underlying analogy of how the universe works.

aren't we simply ignoring ourselves, if we turn to others to manipulate or influence ("control")? we are looking to solve something outside ourselves. however, what if it helps a large group of people wake up? what then? how do we truly measure intent or karmic values?

i mean 9/11 woke me up big time. i always had some different feelings, but never understood it (regarding politics, cover-ups etc) as a kid, nor was i introduced until 26 or so. so in this regard, i fogive bush and cheney. its not that hard to see they were a gift to me in the waking-up process. there is no way around it, unless you choose to ignore yourself! ignoring our own greatness in waking up, becoming more whole, fully understanding the cover-ups and lies in politics, etc.

ignoring yourself may be the "negative" version of sto.

applying the greatness, the "natural" state, the given state of being in this vehicle machine we call human body, is possibly the positive sto?

**i tend to think like a marketer in this sense:
applying self-greatness may seem to people as "selfless" in english words, and to others it may be "selfish". so we "need" a way to show the difference, if we wish to spread the deeper truth without confusion (the marketer in me). give description rather than opinions. that's so key, to me, for deeper truths. description only. not opinions, opinions of descriptions, or vague misleading words.
english is not the best use of communication for this kind of thing. makes one wonder about the origins of english. i have heard its "backwards" in a sonic sense too, which makes perfect sense to cause chaos and confusion between the physical and non-physical communication (telepathy, etc).

~blessings now with you~
bj

[3D Sunset]

here's a quick story, i was at my dad's house for labor day on monday and he was pretty sick so he was just watching a star trek: next generation marathon most of the day, he's a total trekkie haha. now i'm not sure if you know what the borg are but they are a half biological half artificially advanced being. they have the equivalent of a group soul, the only downside is they try to assimilate or destroy everything that isn't a borg. the whole storyline behind this episode is that the people on the enterprise would rather die than lose their individuality. my question is, why would a person not want to understand another person fully? isn't that the result of a collective consciousness? several individuals in perfect harmony to achieve the greater good at a much quicker and more efficient rate would sound like a good thing to me. maybe the star trek people don't like this idea because there is no love involved with the borg 'group soul'.

i don't know what else to say, what do you think?

you've touched on an interesting topic, consciousnessisdivine. i think that to the creators of star terk, the borg were seen as evil for a variety of reason. first and foremost, they infringe on other's free will (contrary to the federation's prime directive). at the same time, they are tapping into one of the great fears in 3rd density, the loss of individuality. additionally, although they clearly are interested in gaining knowledge from those assimilated, there is every indication that they will simply "cherry pick" the interesting knowledge or experiences and disreguard the rest - thus playing on the broader fear of complete loss of self. finally, once assimilated, it is understood that they will be called upon to do the bidding of the collective consciousness, of which they are not to have a vote (i.e., enslavement). infringement, fear, enslavement, and worthlessness of the other self are the hallmarks of sts entities.

consider also the following known borg hails (emphasis added occasionally):


"you will be assimilated. resistance is futile." (ent: "regeneration")

"i am locutus of borg. resistance is futile. your life as it has been is over. from this time forward, you will service us.". (tng: "the best of both worlds")

"we are the borg. lower your shields and surrender your ships. we will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. your culture will adapt to service us. resistance is futile." (star trek: first contact)

"we are the borg. existence, as you know it, is over. we will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. resistance is futile." voy: "scorpion")

"we are the borg. you will be assimilated. resistance is futile." (voy: "dark frontier", "scorpion")

these are clearly meant to create fear, apprehension and inevitability, rather than that warm "come to jesus" feeling we typically associate with merging with the one creator.

i think this is instructive as to why infringement of free will is so vital. although the star trek writers did not mention who benefited, or fed on, the fear associated with losing control of ones free will, i suspect that there were some sts entities that followed the borg around doing just that (recall the episode from the original star trek about just such an entity that fed on fear and hatred between the federation and kilngon troops.)

just my quick, rambling thoughts.

3d sunset

[StarGirl]

they have the equivalent of a group soul, the only downside is they try to assimilate or destroy everything that isn't a borg. the whole storyline behind this episode is that the people on the enterprise would rather die than lose their individuality. my question is, why would a person not want to understand another person fully? isn't that the result of a collective consciousness? several individuals in perfect harmony to achieve the greater good at a much quicker and more efficient rate would sound like a good thing to me.
i don't know what else to say, what do you think?

oh indeed! such fasiccinating tangents have been introduced!!

yes, i see what you mean, consciousnessisdivine, the borg "force" a group soul conciousness. we are really beginning to blur the line between these concepts as studied by a "group conciouness" vs an "individual conciousness" looking at the concept. depending on where you stand at the time one is looking at the concepts, one may come up with different ideas.

who can infringe on your free will? no one you don't give permission to. i often get shot down for this one, but i'll sally forth anyway i make every person fully responsible for everything that happens to them. at some level, i believe, if it had a chance to happen to you (good or bad) you set it up or allowed it- otherwise you wouldn't be there. (ducking bullets now) soooo... no one can really infrigne on your free will... you can just walk away or don't create it in the first place. now, correct expression, to me is how you avoid just dominating your "will" all over the place or rather how you express harmonically in a system of belief such as that. everyone likewise has responsibility for "right" expression... who they really are, without the fear, ego, manipulation etc.

ok.

ideally in a group soul all the cells are following the same basic set of instructions from the source/ sprirt/ god. however, everyone's instructions are just a little bit different (individuals) but there are all coming from a central place maybe. so, there is a bit of a surrender (assimilation) there after all... to be willing to follow the instructions because it is "futile" not to: you will cause disharmony within the body (group soul) and there will be conciquences for that. loss of free will? no! because you can choose any number of group souls to incarnate into and i beleive every possibility exists and you just have to do the work to be eligible for whatever type of group experience you might then choose to harmonize with. complete opportunity for free will and surrender/ assimilation all in one package!

what ya think?

smiles

darlyne

oh ps bj, thanks for your comments on comuincation and stating observation w/o opinion. i think the format of written words is the hardest to commincate through... there is no voice to read cues from/ no facial or body expression to help add meaning. at the end of the day, one must take time to try to be clear and one must take time to confirm what they think someone is commuincatiog w/o jumping to conclusion/ reacting. never assume anything.... ask. (all easier said then 100% of the time done). me personally, i often like to let people know where i personally currently stand, but i am usually not attached to that position as the holy grail of right.

[billybobbutterball]

hi, stargirl

your remarks below concerning infringement of free will depart some from examples found in the ra philosophy.

the ra declined to give certain information -- because of the infringement question -- even though the party wanted/desired to recieve such info. so, mere permission given is not a real factor in the manner you seemingly imply below.

also, from what i understand, pre-determinism is somewhat loosey-goosey and subject to constant improvisation....that is why we come into this world with numerous alternative plans to fall back on whenever plans a,b,c, etc. crumble apart and bite the dust. (personally, i'm now on plan 2k-alt3.5b )::o

apparently there is no foretelling all coming details in this fuzzy-logic world we are sojouning through. actually,the whole point is in being blindsided/impacted; found utterly confused and struggling...:confused: and not as one would logically assume as in being always 'right', being 'perfect', being in 'balance'...not here on earth anyway!!:p our higher selves in 6d know that we will eventually arrive and recieve the golden ring... but the hs doesn't know the exact path through the maze that we will use to finally reach that destined point in our future. strange, but supposedly true.

hey! starperson, trust i'm not intruding on your free will regarding this dicey question:)

billybobalongalong



oh indeed! such fasiccinating tangents have been introduced!!

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who can infringe on your free will? no one you don't give permission to. i often get shot down for this one, but i'll sally forth anyway i make every person fully responsible for everything that happens to them. at some level, i believe, if it had a chance to happen to you (good or bad) you set it up or allowed it- otherwise you wouldn't be there. (ducking bullets now) soooo... no one can really infrigne on your free will... you can just walk away or don't create it in the first place. now, correct expression, to me is how you avoid just dominating your "will" all over the place or rather how you express harmonically in a system of belief such as that. everyone likewise has responsibility for "right" expression... who they really are, without the fear, ego, manipulation etc.

what ya think?

smiles

darlyne

[MarkM]

perhaps another thing to consider is that one's higher self may have worked out a life situation with the soul for a particular lifetime, thus applying a set of circumstances geared towards maximized catalytic challenge for the ego-personality of that incarnation.

here, perhaps, much will occur which the personality finds distasteful, yet from a perspective beyond the ken of the personality, is most useful in the challenging and stirring up of those most hidebound and entrenched personality distortions which are most resistant to illumination.

one seemingly confined to a life of grinding, unrelenting poverty, for example, despite perhaps cursing the world and god for their 'misfortune' and mourning their apparent lack of free will in this regard may be being blessed with that which offers succour from past karma or something else unimaginable, this being the only way available to dislodge some mental/emotionally ingrown condition of non-evolution of a facet of their third density being. while the perceived free will of the personality is thwarted at every turn insofar as transcending poverty is concerned, it is only after a sufficient application of this catalyst is endured that the person will eventually seek and discover the root egoic distortion which renders the catalyst necessary - and realize that to do so was their free will choice all along.

from this, one laboring behind the veil of confusion may gather that the free will of the individual 3d entity may well be at odds with the purpose of that particular incarnation, as agreed upon and planned before incarnating. hardship and recurring existential turmoil may be an indicator that the choices of the incarnate individual are not yet the choices which avail themselves of the promptings of the higher self. in addressing the reasons why the ra would withhold certain desired info despite the perceived free will of the questioner, it is perhaps that the value of the whole incarnative enterprise is in individual discovery and first hand experiencing of that which leads to personal growth.

there is always a dynamic, and almost tactical variance between the will of the creator and it's individualized parts which inhabit 'creation'. it is only through the semblance of manyness and separation and distorted, individualized free will that there is experiencing, to begin with.

so the free will of the individual is paramount, and the ultimate beauty inherent in life consists in part of the individual, through trial and error, eventually learning to reconcile their own free will decisions with the loving, creative principle of the creator. one key to accelerating this process is through meditation, which is essentially the tuning in to the free will of the creator, or the higher self, who after all is you. we are all exploring the wilderness, so to speak, and although this is the reason for the creator's sojourn into manyness, there is an upward calling past the old repetitive and outworn patterns, and into new and grander vistas of experiencing. recurrant patterns of undesirable circumstance in life are merely calls to growth, and beckoning to greater self realization; both collectively and individually. mark

[MarkM]

if i may, an older post i'm inspired to re-hash in addressing issues of 'borg' type assimilation:


in having at one time considered this question, i found it helpful to think along these lines: can you remember the person you were at age 3 or 4? i was a much different person then, just beginning to realize my potential as the adult i am now. little mark grew to encompass me as i am now; he is not a separate entity submerged somewhere deep down inside me. at no point did his identity and individuality dissolve.

so that little boy contained me as a potentiality within himself, as well as any potential for me to have become whatever i may have chosen for my life, or may still do. so when we hear of souls merging into a social memory complex as in the case of ra, there's been no dissolving of individual identity into the sea of the greater identity - rather each person grows to accomodate the identities of all the others in the group, as others in the group grow to accomodate you.


when awareness of individual identity is born in second density, its an achievement that's yours to keep. when a dog or a tree or a parrot wakens to the recognition of its individual soul-existence, it must be a shocking and joyous epiphany of realization. there is an awakening of something of similar magnitude in store for third density beings, (us) that involves a recognition of our relationship to all else in the universe, and just as the awakened 2d being may now set about actualizing its individuality in third density, so shall each person entering fourth density begin to actualize their realization of oneness - of one identity, which is you.

learning service to others is key, here - as part of what we are awakening to is that 'others' are literally somehow indistinguishable from what we as an apparent individual are. in 4d we begin learning the practical lessons of the real indivisibility of our identities, one to the other. here, love is the tool for experiencing and real-izing these lessons.

as we progress through the densities on our homeward journey, one continues to encounter new lessons and practice the lessons, becoming gradually able to exist at higher levels of reality, based in part on our realization of what we encompass within. each individual perhaps eventually realizes their encompassing of all creation, thus becoming (one with) the creator. here it may be seen that each individual had contained the creator all along, and the purpose of the whole operation is the joy implicit in the exploration of manyness, and the upward journey itself. while we have sorrows, the sum total of experience is loving and joyful and each identity remains intact right through the achievement of the realization of there being only one.

this is just a distorted working model of my own, certainly just a thumbnail sketch missing many parts, but serving hopefully to give an eye to seeing how your identity persists through much transition. mark

[StarGirl]

hi, stargirl

your remarks below concerning infringement of free will depart some from examples found in the ra philosophy.

the ra declined to give certain information -- because of the infringement question -- even though the party wanted/desired to recieve such info. so, mere permission given is not a real factor in the manner you seemingly imply below.

also, from what i understand, pre-determinism is somewhat loosey-goosey and subject to constant improvisationg

hello "billy"

i have read this comment several times and you will forgive me that i am not sure i quite understand what you are trying to say. it seems like ra would not give out info because it would go against someone's free will? was that it? i am thinking then that it must have been that person's higher self was not giving the permission which could i suppose overrule the 3d self... but i am not sure i understood what you ment perfectly there. however, i do beleive i follow your "pre-determinism is somewhat loosey-goosey" theory and i can certainly see that.

thank you for your chat and thought

hug

darlyne

[StarGirl]

if i may, an older post i'm inspired to re-hash in addressing issues of 'borg' type assimilation:

oh.... mark, i think this is just so beautiful.

what an incredible idea of a picture to consider holding within one's mind of what it is to merge into oneness. (spirituality 101: look at the micro world to discover and learn of how the macro world operates...)

the child into the larger system of adult; the tree awaking to its own awareness of its inclusion in the greater world.

"so when we hear of souls merging into a social memory complex as in the case of ra, there's been no dissolving of individual identity into the sea of the greater identity - rather each person grows to accomodate the identities of all the others in the group, as others in the group grow to accomodate you."

"...the sum total of experience is loving and joyful and each identity remains intact right through the achievement of the realization of there being only one."

i have heard it said that man is as an elevator... he/she is meant to be able to travel up and down his conciousness at will to any level that he chooses within himself... just as we are all able be our child self at moments when we choose. hmmm.

there is wisdom and beauty, a science and poetry in this tale of the journey to oneness. a pretty picture. thank you for sharing.

humbly blissful

darlyne

[BillD]

i haven't quite "jelled" the concept fully in my mind yet, so please forgive me if i seem vague...
i seem to remember something that either ra or seth said about our human concept of "service to others" being either flawed or incomplete. this has had me pondering ever since. if sto is more than just "doing stuff to help", then what else is there?
i think it may include something along the lines of not interfering with the path that others walk, since each path is a journey of experience and learning, each path is correct in its time and in its way for the evolution of that soul...therefore, each path and each "person" are perfect. granted, we interact and we are part of each other's journey in this state of illusory separateness and therefore we have some influence...but i think that perhaps a key point is learning to recognize when another needs to progress on their own and should not be "tampered" with; be it via ideas, material things or whatever. i think sometimes, it may be as simple as just stepping aside and allowing another to walk their path, even if it means harm, discomfort, or hardship for us personally.
aditionally, some people are not ready or are unwilling to hear "the truth". as you can't force anyone to listen, neither can you force them to learn. i find a certain kind of beauty in that...to see in another the potential for growth, and thereby, see the same in myself.

i had a 7th-grade school teacher who taught me a very valuable rule, one which has stuck with me all these years and served me very well as a guide to maintaining balance:
"my rights and freedoms end where your rights and freedoms begin. your rights and freedoms end where my rights and freedoms begin."

[riCo]

hey mates,

with david`s newest blog entry he shared alot of his old readings that got lost. after reading the entry i took a look at the new reading section and immediately came across this reading:

9/28/03: reading: the ascension (is it real?...) (http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=32&itemid=30)

in this reading "ra" gives a new definition of what service to others really means, so far it has only been stated being more than 50% oriented to service to others to be harvestable for 4d+.

of course i always knew that theres more to it than just helping people in a way of human thinking, but surely most of the people will missunderstood service to others at first and just think its helping others in a sense of doing.

my concern now is, that i shared the law of one teachings with a few people i know in real life already, mainly my family and a friend of mine and told them that they must be over 50% oriented on service to others in order to be harvestable, but this leaves alot of room for interpretation...

of course i didn`t share this, lets say incomplete information, on purpose, but i`m wondering if i should share my new understanding with them, i will surely share it with my family and my friend... but i also wrote some articles in forums where i told them that they just have to be over 50% oriented to service to others for the positive harvest, which isn`t wrong in any way, but most of them surely missunderstood the concept...

this is a weird situation all of a sudden and i might be not only one having this problem, once you have read this new information about service to others, its far more complex and far harder to reach for a soul than previously thought, atleast this is how i look at it now.

i always wondered why ra said that the amount of souls on earth who are harvestable is still so low, but now i understand that the term service to others is missunderstood by most people.
there are alot of souls on earth who are helping others a bit more than caring for themselfs, or who are kind of keeping the balance, but there are alot less souls who think for themselfs and make up their own mind about things in this world.

in short terms "ra" says that people need to be able to think for themselfs, although the information being shared in the reading is much more complex, you have to read it some times to fully understand it.

what would you do, what will you do now?
i`m sure that i`m not the only one who has shared some of the teachings of the "law of one" with others. i think this needs some clarification...

love and light
frederik