The Orion Group [Archive] - Divine Cosmos Discussions

AmelieJolie

02-17-2008, 01:54 PM

Hello again folks!

I'm trying to find out more about this Orion group. I've just finished reading all the information the Law of One site gave me.

http://www.lawofone.info/

But I still feel I have many unanswered questions.
I want to know, for example what these beings from Orion look like and why they have been allowed to control us via religion, etc. I feel there must be a lot more to this story, and perhaps we need another contact with Ra as somebody here once suggested.

I found this part interesting:
12.18 Questioner: Are there any Confederation or Orion entities living upon the Earth and operating visibly among us in our society at this time?

Ra: I am Ra. There are no entities of either group walking among you at this time. However, the crusaders of Orion use two types of entities to do their bidding, shall we say. The first type is the thought-form; the second, a kind of robot.

I wanted to find out if it said anything about them encouraging people to make blood sacrifices, but it didn't come up with anything.

I guess what I'm trying to find out is whether the LoO material is compatible with any of the conspiracy theories.

Just for the record, my mind is never made up in regards to what or who I believe, the only thing which would make me feel more certain about whether something is true or not would be to have first hand experience.

So, until then, I am trying to weigh up all the evidence I come across.

I hope this clarifies any misunderstandings which may have occurred previously.

Peace. :)

Jivatman

02-17-2008, 03:32 PM

This is highly speculative, but I have supposed that the "kind of robot" was morgellon's disease, as there is no evidence of any organic basis for morgellons, and most speculate it is a nano-machine.

My other speculation regarding it is that, you have the parts of your self that you supress, your "shadow", in jungian psychology. My idea was that morgellons sort of highjacks the part of your personality that is already consumed by shadow, and uses it to more specifically oriented messages.

However, I also tend to believe that it is curable if one meditates, eats healthy, excersizes, and otherwise attempts to live a spiritual life.

billybobbutterball

02-18-2008, 01:34 AM

But I still feel I have many unanswered questions.
I want to know, for example what these beings from Orion look like and why they have been allowed to control us via religion, etc. I feel there must be a lot more to this story, and perhaps we need another contact with Ra as somebody here once suggested.

I found this part interesting:

Quote:
12.18 Questioner: Are there any Confederation or Orion entities living upon the Earth and operating visibly among us in our society at this time?

Ra: I am Ra. There are no entities of either group walking among you at this time. However, the crusaders of Orion use two types of entities to do their bidding, shall we say. The first type is the thought-form; the second, a kind of robot.

I wanted to find out if it said anything about them encouraging people to make blood sacrifices, but it didn't come up with anything.

Hi, Amelie J. Billybopper here

I want to re-make the point that there is more to seriously research than just the more formally constructed Ra readings. There are HUNDREDS of channelings on LLResearch. When the connection with RA was irreversibly broken, following Don Elkins' tragic death, everything shut down.

In time came an effort to fill the information void. The 6 density Ra worked with Latwii (a 5th density "student") and Hatonn (A 4th ) to form a "principle" that would unite their efforts. The new "personality" was dubbed, Q'uo. Q'uo would become the major source channeled through the awake state of Carla along with certain other members of the LLResearch group. At special times other spiritual entities could knock on the door and could come in if they passed Carla's litmus test. (To reiterate, the trance state was now too dangerous for Carla to use anymore ... unless she suddenly desired to take a chance ending up, nearly helpless, for aeons, in a paralyzing, negative black hole):eek:

So, we no longer have the very special high-fidelity connection with Ra, but we still have Ra working in conjuction with other spiritual entities to help supply additional, less academic, but still high-quality material. To boot, there is a wonderful book by Carla called "The Wanderer's Handbook" that is a 400 page absolute must-to-read and contemplate if one hopes to more fully understand the impact that this super-duper channeling connection with higher orders offers students such as ourselves. (In short, read Ra, read Carla's good book, on the side explore and tap into a lifetime's supply of wonderful, channeled goodies ... for free)

Scary ETs

The Negative 4D Orions are generally referred to as the "Nordics" since they look Scandinavian. They do have a feature that distinquishes them; that being the largish size of their eyes. Some say that (one group?)they are future time-traveling remnents of Earth survivors. (makes me wonder about the Norwegian underground survival cities discussed on Project Camelot ) The Orions --as thought forms -- are supposedly the ones that contacted President Eisenhower.

I can't imagine that they go in for blood sacrifices. I don't think they diddle with religious systems already in place here...I suppose that these 'crusaders' think they are doing good, no-nonsense, god/creator's work. The thought going around is that most of the UFO sightings (not of the shadow government's earth source) are negative and probably Orion. Please understand I'm going out on a shaky limb here trying to satisfy your inquiry, and I will point out that my level of accuracy concerning such exotics would be near the bottom of any hypothetical RA meter:o

I further confess that I'm chagrined by the realization that my well-meaning efforts to help you verges on the negative polarity side in that I'm interferring with your freedom of will by throwing all these things in your lap ...which -- knowledge of -- could redirect your activites into a different direction than you intended in your soul contract. ...:( .. I can just see it now! AAghh! I'll wake up in 4d negative working under Genkis Kahn -- just because I stuck my nose into your own sacred business.:eek:

A.J. please forgive me, and ignore all above...how do I get this off???

bbbb

AmelieJolie

02-18-2008, 02:06 AM

I suppose that these 'crusaders' think they are doing good, no-nonsense, god/creator's work.
Hmm.....hardly sounds like they are these negative, service to self entities I want to find out about then.

In my experience, even the most dogmatic people who agree with controlling others can be extremely kind and caring- they just want to try and make the world a better place in the best way they know.

Billybob, LOL, set me on a negative path by answering my questions, what are you talking about?!

I do have the Wanderer's handbook, although I only started reading some of it so far.

Anyway, going by the answers I have found and been given, I don't think the resources here are compatible with my quest to deepen my understanding of certain conspiracy theories.

The description of the "Orion Group" here seems to be a unique one, therefore without any other evidence to place beside it, I am less swayed.

It is all just speculation. :(

Heavy heart here, but never mind..............

AmelieJolie

02-18-2008, 02:40 AM

The Negative 4D Orions are generally referred to as the "Nordics" since they look Scandinavian.
Apparently the reptilians find blond haired, blue eyed people most useful for their genetic programs, etc.

Is there a website to research the Q'uo material like the Law of One material?

[Moderator Note: Q'uo is a product of llresearch.org and all info can be found there by using the search feature at the site, or by just browsing]

charles obscure

02-18-2008, 08:29 AM

AmelieJolie

02-18-2008, 01:13 PM

This kind of information is/was largely unimportant to Ra. It is more important to focus on the things that you can do to make a positive difference -- finding that all compassionate love for the whole creation - within yourself. By healing the self, one can begin to heal others around them.
Agreed.
There have been very powerful positive AND negative forces working in this world, and still are. So I guess the question is, what do you choose to focus on? By forgiving and accepting and unconditionally loving the self, these things need not be held onto.
"None are as hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free".

If the human race are being manipulated, isn't it of utmost importance that they start to realize it?

As you read the Ra material further you will find more examples of this. For example Carla feels those best prepared for any situation are those who have the most love. Not the 'bomb shelter syndrome' conspiracy theory types. I completely agree with this. Its good to be aware, but generally dont even worry about stuff like this is my advice, its not worth the time and energy.

All are aspects of the self to be balanced, accepted, and integrated.

Sounds like very good advice.

However, if you suspected, even in the least amount, that children were being tortured by some of these groups in secret by these groups, wouldn't every fibre in your mind, body and soul want to stand on the rooftops and tell the whole world?

I know it sounds too horrible to be true, but then I realized at a young age that evil is indeed a harsh part of our reality.
For example, I am sensitive and empathic when it comes to animals, and what animals endure at the hands of humans is far worse and greater than anything we saw in the Auschwitz.
When I found out about animal cruelty, I wanted to wake people up.
But I found that people deny the things they'd rather not believe.
Which leaves very few people to actually do anything about it.

It's sad but true.

And when I look at the way humans regard and treat animals in the world, it doesn't surprise me......that there may in fact be another species.......an older species......which sees itself as above humans.......and regards human beings in exactly the same way.

That doesn't, by any means mean that they are all bad/ cruel.
Just in the same way humans aren't.
However, due to the nature of their mind/body complexes (what they feed on), it would appear that most of them are bad/ cruel.

Anyway, I shouldn't really go on about this topic here, it is not a favorite of this particular group. ;)

Personally, I don't think anything good can ever come of suppressing information. This is my opinion.

Oh, by the way, I've started reading this book, and the "Nordics" (bbb mentioned earlier) are a race commonly mentioned by UFO and abductee researchers.

Peace and.......
"May the force be with you". :D

billybobbutterball

02-18-2008, 02:25 PM

Quote from bbb
I suppose that these 'crusaders' think they are doing good, no-nonsense, god/creator's work.

AJ: Hmm.....hardly sounds like they are these negative, service to self entities I want to find out about then.

### What are you looking for, Puppet Master, Bug Eyed Monsters types from outer space? :eek: Negative's worship that aspect of 'god’ within themselves, so naturally they think they are the good guys. They know what is what and that the service to others types are delusional and in need of some strong, knowing hands to set them on the right path. The Orions are religious CRUSADERS!:rolleyes:

Of course there are really nasty negatives, but I think they are more isolated examples and don't form sizable societies such as the Orions ( But then there are the hypothetical Annunukies which opens up a whole new can of worms.) As mentioned by another poster, this stuff is not worth more than a passing nod of recognition.

AJ. In my experience, even the most dogmatic people who agree with controlling others can be extremely kind and caring- they just want to try and make the world a better place in the best way they know.

###bbb Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point above...but Controlling others --even for their own seeming good, is the mark of negativity. The Ten Commandments is a mixture of negative and positive; the injunctions, thou shall not, are negative... (But taking the idea of moral libertinism to a point of reductio ad absurdum opens the door for the Sabaterians and Luciferionism of the "elite"... one must tread with care.)

AJ: Billybob, LOL, set me on a negative path by answering my questions, what are you talking about?!

## Again, I may misunderstand you... Billybob, not you, could be seen as intruding on your 'free will' by giving you material that would effect the way you think... The mark of the negative is controlling others...from the subtle to the extreme. With the best of intentions The Ra tried to help humanity, but it backfired. (No good deed goes unpunished)

AJ:I do have the Wanderer's handbook, although I only started reading some of it so far.

## Good. It can be very helpful. I read just a couple of pages each night just before I turned out the lights. There are accounts of people struggling with spiritual issues that will offer insights. One of my favorite chapter is #6 ...a little cosmology (for Mozart lovers that would be: Eine Kleine Kosmologie) Carla also has a new work called, "A Book of Days" for daily meditation. Also found for viewing on LLResearch is "Secrets of the UFO" which, although an early document, is still surprisingly valid.

AJ: Anyway, going by the answers I have found and been given, I don't think the resources here are compatible with my quest to deepen my understanding of certain conspiracy theories.

## Well, AJ, if conspiracy is your main purpose then a site that not only minimizes the importance of such efforts but also offers serious warnings about and maximizes the danger of such a fixation, will be de facto of little help in your endeavor. How about this compromise? You are an important voice on this group, so why not divide your interests by utilizing Divine Cosmos for the positive spiritual values it specializes in, but keep your interest in dark matters a separate exploration? I don't think you understand how 'lucky' members are to have the fantastic resources offered by this site to those who can muster up enough energy to follow the yellow brick road … but ya gotta stay on it and avoid going off on too many bunny trails

AJ:The description of the "Orion Group" here seems to be a unique one, therefore without any other evidence to place beside it, I am less swayed.

## The description of the Orion's a unique one? What! Do you think I'm a publicity agent for them? Your suggestion is news to me, must have read the wrong books, looked in the wrong sites. Just what is the official un-unique viewpoint? Incidentally, there are other negative civilizations beside the Orions. Genkis Kahn went with the Orions; Rasputin and Tara Bulbas ended up at two others.

AJ: It is all just speculation.

## Of course everything is speculation. There are no absolute philosophical proofs of anything that I know of. To preserve our freedom of will we are not to be confronted in our faces with over-whelming evidence of proof concerning certain pivotal issues. (For some reason I'm reminded of the old axiom: "A man convinced against his will is of that same opinion still." :cool:

Dear AMELIAJENIA "We don't hate you, we luvs ya! (Burt Lancaster, in the film, Elmer Gantry) :)

billybobbozo

AJ:Heavy heart here, but never mind..............

AmelieJolie

02-18-2008, 03:01 PM

As much as I feel passionately about freedom, and am very liberal in many ways, I have to admit that there occasional times when people do need controlling.

For example, one of the reasons I struggle with being a parent so much is probably because I hate the idea of controlling someone. So perhaps there is a balance?

Isn't it necessary, sometimes, to control a person for the purpose of preventing them controlling and harming another?

(I think you are probably going to agree. I am illustrating a point more than I am asking the question).

I was under the impression that "service to self" meant those who actually want to abuse and exploit others for their own interests.

I have been wondering......
Just how good do people need to be to get though to the higher density when the time comes? I know David said at least 51% or something like that- in service to others. But I'm not sure how to define this or measure it, and every now and then I feel unsure or even worried.

Does that mean I won't see Sawyer there? That's a shame.
He said "Every man for himself, freckles". (In the show, Lost). ;)

FooSnik

02-18-2008, 03:33 PM

These robotic minions of the Orion entities could be the "men in black." Many people who have encountered them have said that they are plastic looking and completely hairless.

Dan Akroyd had an encounter with what he thinks were men in black. He had a great UFO radio show at the time of the encounter. He said that one day he was standing in the street talking on his cell phone and he glanced across the street and saw a black Ford Sedan. A very tall, menacing man got out of the back seat and gave Dan a very mean look, Akroyd then glanced away for a brief moment and then glanced back and the man and the car were gone. Dan said it was not possible that that car could have pulled away and turned the corner like a normal car, it just vanished. Later that day he found out that his UFO show had been canceled for no reason and he feels the men in black had something to do with that.

Check this video out of him talking about it in his own words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3kAuNSI31w

David Wilcock

02-18-2008, 05:13 PM

Conspiracy information is heavily de-emphasized in this forum for several reasons. One, there is such a glut of it online. Two, in the grander scheme of things hardly any of these writers realize that this is all part of a Divine plan, reflecting our individual shadows back to us in a collective sense. Three, it creates fear and separation, and the vast majority of the claims are wildly, hopelessly exaggerated.

Those who dig in and study the Law of One material deeper are often astonished at how the discussion of the negative entities, their methods and agenda predated many revelations about the Illuminati and so forth that are now available. It would not be difficult to generate multiple books' worth of material comparing the Law of One perspective to real-world data that is available.

If you really want to go 'down the rabbit hole', read the writings of Svali on the Illuminati... but make absolutely sure you have a positive, inspiring source of information to read after each session so you don't slide into a depression. Nothing you can possibly read will challenge and shake you more than this.

The "kind of robot" reference was Ra's tactful way of referring to how the Orions re-animate recently deceased corpses so as to use them for remote-control operations. Dan Burisch's testimony includes details about how the Orions do this, and I have heard more from him about it privately than he has said publicly.

Usually people gravitate towards this type of material when they are feeling confused and frustrated. Most of my Svali / Illuminati studies were done just after my ex Sabrina had been hit by a car and was in a terrible condition in the hospital. Seeing what she was going through when I visited her every day gave me the stomach to handle reading about these things.

You can save yourself weeks or months of agony and depression by understanding that some love the light, some love the darkness. If you want to rubber-neck when you go past a car crash, you might see something horrible that will stay with you for the rest of your life - but that doesn't mean you have to do it.

The Maya did not start out doing sacrifices. They were originally contacted by a 6D positive Confederation group, and it was only with the passage of hundreds or thousands of ensuing years that tribal beliefs gave sway to negative contacts that 'updated' the original information.

- David

soup

02-19-2008, 07:50 AM

...but make absolutely sure you have a positive, inspiring source of information to read after each session so you don't slide into a depression....

When I read this I was reminded of the mainstream media and why I don't read the newspapers because I feel so "vexed" afterwards. Possibly this relates to the idea of contrast, that from some perspectives the newspaper can seem uplifting.

Also, the suggestion of depression reminds me of billions of dollars in anti-depressants being sold these days - or so I've heard, can't say for sure because I don't read the papers.

soup

AmelieJolie

02-19-2008, 10:39 AM

Definitely food for thought.

Thank you.

AmelieJolie

02-19-2008, 11:24 AM

Q: [Name], I have to ask you this: There are stories floating around on the internet about the Illuminati (and other agencies) being run by extra-terrestrials, ET's, in particular a reptilian race, operating from a higher dimension. Any thoughts on that?

A: My answer will probably cause a lot of anger, and it's not meant to step on any toes. Here it goes.

I have never seen an alien or extra-terrestial. I have seen some programming to make people THINK they saw aliens, as a cover story for programming, if they remembered. None of the head trainers I knew, or others on leadership council, believed in aliens, although I never asked them.

I personally believe that the reptilian stuff is actually the demonic at work. I have seen shape-shifting and other stuff because of demonic influence (okay, so here some will say, gee, she believes in demons, that's as far out as aliens).

Well, this is what the Illuminati certainly believe in. They KNOW there are spiritual realities, and think they can control them. Those of a more cynical bent would say the shape shifting was a drug induced hallucination and group hysteria in the context of a ritual setting. I will let each reader decide based on their personal comfort zone. But no, absolutely no reptiles or aliens seen in Washington, DC, or San Diego, Ca. as of 5 years ago, at least I never saw them.

[e-mail for url]

I am not going to read any other parts of [name]'s account other than the two links at the top, because this is what I'm trying to find out right now- whether reptilians have got anything to do with things on Earth, or whether researchers have been fed bits of misinformation to make their information less credible.

I've already heard a little bit about what goes on, so I can imagine the sort of thing that she is going to say.

I think its important to acknowledge the darkness but not to dwell on it, so this is what I try to do.

AmelieJolie

02-19-2008, 05:29 PM

"And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you".

~ Friedrich Nietzsche

soup

02-21-2008, 09:38 AM

...whether reptilians have got anything to do with things on Earth...?"

When I was pondering this introspectively a few years past, I resolved that the reptilian message was symbolically pertaining to the reptilian brain stem, an area of the brain responsible for "fight of flight" response - used to manipulate the masses in some cases. At some point in a person's energetic evolution I also resolved that this occupied valuable real estate inside the brain and possibly could be programmed for other reasons, i.e. to offer a subordinate response to higher active mental functions - difficult to describe.

soup

AmelieJolie

02-21-2008, 01:15 PM

It makes a lot of sense that there could be negative spirits in other dimensions battling for control. A spirit can take any form it likes. Shape-shifting during possession seems to be a common theme in in the world of spirit contact/ investigation.

If there are some very wicked groups at the top (like the Illuminati), and they didn't like the truth about them that was surfacing, the best weapon they may have decided to use could be the weapon of misinformation, making things sound less credible to the majority.

Just lately, I am truly beginning to understand:
"Wisdom is knowing how little we know".

I read here that The Law Of One material said that one of the requirements here, in 3-d, is to realize this.

I'm definitely going to read all the LoO material when I get more time.
I'm getting more and more interested the more I find out. ;)

soup

02-23-2008, 09:19 AM

...It makes a lot of sense that there could be negative spirits in other dimensions battling for control...

I'd hesitate to pass judgments - it may be that there are other purposes for experiences such as nightmares and dark nights of the soul. Possibly an experience that is less than joyful is some step that helps catalyze one to reprogram in a way which they can respond with love somehow to a greater degree than they may have otherwise. It seems fairly obvious that striking fear into a person seems an easy way to manipulate them, i.e. that people in panic seem to behave in predictable ways...

soup

Geron33

03-13-2008, 07:04 PM

Hello,

I also stumbled upon the mentioning of "robots".

And while I'm investigating and analyzing politic affairs I got the suspicion to find here an answer to some occasionally strange phenomenon:

we observe politicians (or other people) who are much engaging themselves for peoples sake, for peace and justice.

But as soon they're going to have some power or office they change their direction upt to 180 degrees, to the opposite, going to be the real enemies of the people.

You may partially declare this by moving them into another scene, governmental communications and like that.
But sometimes this turn is thus extreme, that the only really beleavable declaration seems to be: that people have been replaced, maybe by robots.

And it might be fitting, since the "crusaders" would - by delivering such "robots" - help their earthly allies to do their work of domination and manipulation.

Think for instance of John Conyers: he was demanding the impeachment of the Bush-administration.
Since last election he is fighting the very paople, who want just, what he demanded before.

Maybe this should be some kind of examination, if we are able (to learn how) to defend human society against such kind of manipulating.

Geron

transiten

03-14-2008, 05:07 PM

Hi

My elaboratly formulated post just disappeared!:confused: Mercury square Neptunetransit today and Neptune square Mercury in the background: If there can be a misunderstanding, it will manifest, your messages are not understood or not even delivered. When I pressed the submitbutton I was no longer logged-in. [moderator - isn't that frustrating? Often just logging in puts you back to your post, or if you submit and you get a net connection hiccup, hitting the back button can bring you back]

Message understood, don't delve in the dark:)

Anyway it was some heavy synchronicities on Orion and Icke that I will not forget since I just typed them down.

Watched the :) go down from a tree on a hill! I screw up my eyes and there came three rays towards me shifting to four back and forth 3-4-3-4

Sungazing from 3D to 4D

Silvanus Sanctus Germanus

03-17-2008, 02:37 PM

When I was pondering this introspectively a few years past, I resolved that the reptilian message was symbolically pertaining to the reptilian brain stem, an area of the brain responsible for "fight of flight" response - used to manipulate the masses in some cases. At some point in a person's energetic evolution I also resolved that this occupied valuable real estate inside the brain and possibly could be programmed for other reasons, i.e. to offer a subordinate response to higher active mental functions - difficult to describe.

soup

Hi Soup,:)

I have a hunch that this reptilian remenance of ours might be the dark's last stronghold. This might be worth investigating into. Let me give you a weird analogy. Just like the program Windows, (which FOOLS the computer into thinking that only ONE program is running at any one time), I seem to need to FOOL a part of my brain that I'm going to sleep in order to peirce through it.
What I mean is that this brain stem might be like a muscle that is subconsciously trained by the knowing, creating the potential for our illusion/reality.
This might be direcly linked to Free Will and understanding the ability to ignore the illusion might have something to do with realising IT's existance.
Mabe we can highjack our own brain stem and put it to Good use.:D
Food for Thought !!

Through the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow, may the light shine !!!

Sylvain

transiten

03-18-2008, 12:54 AM

Good point!

The other night when I had been watching some "reptilevideos" on the net (both Bush S:r, David Icke and an innocent woman (as it seemed to me) I actually looked like a reptile myself when I looked into the mirror the next morning...Liliane the reptilian...I'm a scorpio so no wonder I'm capable of this kind of "shapeshifting" <Lol> Today I look like an Angel since I watched nice things before going to bed and the sun is shining and I'm going to Paradisland with my dog. Excuse my drastic mercury/Plutosquare/GeminiMC-humour.

Liliane

Magical_Mongoose

03-18-2008, 02:16 PM

It's important to realize where these energies are coming from...one based on self-serving power and the other built on acceptance and harmony. Within "spiritual traditions", the power afforded to you can go in either direction depending on the state of the shadow. The Orion group preys upon the mind/body/spirit complexes that are amplifying shadow elements within themselves, but in that there cannot be judgment because everything must explore itself.
The Orion group focuses on dominion, seeking influence and entrainment within individuals who are seeking the same. It's no coincidence that Ra referred to them as the "Crusaders", zealots of power and of deep-seated malice; that's the only thing they have going for them. But as we become aware of the possibilities, this has lead them to a juncture wherein they will further their domination on others as others de-escalate their influence; it's all about balance. And it's about choosing your state of being as a sovereign being connected with Love. It doesn't matter how many verocious dogs are snarling at you when you know that peace.
But I find it difficult to maintain that state of mind and I'll act/say/think things that show me that I have a long way to go. Right now I'm trying to experience what it really means to be on the "front-lines", and about learning humbleness and respect. But when you accept yourself, karma and everything and that of others, that honesty will bring you into resonance with your true path.
If anything, my experiences with their proprietors has been humbling, and I think the best thing you can do is to accept them and love them for helping you gain awareness, but nothing more. It's entirely easy to go into states of hatred and fear with them because they prey upon those energies, so choose to throw a wrench in their plans and choose the Heart.
It's important to go into this world with a sober mind and a balanced heart. What that entails is completely open within the details, but when you've realized these feelings can you balance both realities within yourself.
Refusing to see the darkness is ignorance, refusing to see the Light is blindness. Become aware but don't grow obsessed on any particular thing, especially these individuals who have chosen to become obsessed with power and cruelty. But in light of this, many of these abduction experiences are our future selves rippling backwards through the timeline to alter the energy of themselves within 4D-; so give them props, tell them to f-off, call upon the highest power or figure you've experienced, and blast the hell out of there. But realize they are you if you choose it to be. On a more positive note, there's a simultaneous positive 4D+ self from post-Shift that's working behind the scenes in a subtle but inspirational way, slowly but surely altering group consciousness fields to ensure a smooth transition. That is you as well.
It's all about what you align yourself with, what you feel within your heart and what you share with others. Just in terms of STO philosophy, it's about becoming yourself on the circle, not seeking to be above or beneath others but finding your place away from confusion and into harmony. I know definitely I have work to do, but it feels right to work on this. In doing so, you'll bring out your unique gifts and medicine to eachother as greater forcefields of resonance are set in place to ensure zero Orion interference, other than the pain you carry within you. But it most be pro-positive, not anti-negative oriented... that's the key.
And they're afraid; but maybe as we show them our true selves in our own way of love it will activate positive potentials within their social-memory complex. But who knows...that's only what I hope.

Silvanus Sanctus Germanus

03-18-2008, 04:31 PM

Wow, thanks Mongoose !!

transiten

03-18-2008, 06:45 PM

Well the same from Transiten!

Don't think I get it all, but I asked for clarification in another thread, still nagging about if there's any connection btw Ra/Venus and the Orion Group, a theme that is running through my synchronicities...would you or someone mind commenting on that?

Transiten

[Moderator kindly suggests reading the Law of One too:) ]

transiten

03-18-2008, 07:34 PM

Hi moderator!

Sure I will, just started on the Ramaterial after listening through all of Davids readings, radioshows and the Science of Peace I'm eager to get to the point since all these syncs are popping up, I've been waiting 25 years for this information....trying to get a shortcut <lol>

Transiten

AmelieJolie

03-20-2008, 05:09 PM

If the Law of One material is reliable, then perhaps some of the research of certain "conspiracy" theorists isn't so exaggerated after all!

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=43&sc=0&ss=0

Questioner: I don’t know if it is of any importance, but it occurred to me that the parts removed from the cattle mutilations are the same every time, and I wondered if this is related to the energy centers and why they were important if that was so?

Ra: I am Ra. This is basically correct if you may understand that there is a link between energy centers and various thought-forms. Thus the fears of the mass consciousness create the climate for the concentration upon the removal of bodily parts which symbolize areas of concern or fear in the mass consciousness.

Questioner: Are you saying, then, that these parts that are removed are related to the mass consciousness of the third-density human form and that this fear is being used in some way by the thought-form entities in these mutilations?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The thought-form entities feed upon fear; thus they are able to do precise damage according to systems of symbology. The other second-density types of which you speak need the, what you call, blood.

Questioner: These other second-density types need the blood to remain in the physical? Do they come in and out of our physical from one of the lower astral planes?

Ra: I am Ra. These entities are, shall we say, creatures of the Orion group. They do not exist in astral planes as do the thought-forms but wait within the Earth’s surface. We, as always, remind you that it is our impression that this type of information is unimportant.

AmelieJolie

03-20-2008, 05:19 PM

This, my friends, is the reason why people started sacrificing animals to false Gods!

Never mind about that now. It's time to break free- by seeing that this world we experience can be likened to a dream, and we have forgotten who we really are- a part of an infinite unity and consciousness.

The forgetfulness of who we really are is the cause of all suffering!

If every being understood that to harm another is to harm oneself, then there would be no desire to do harm!

And once we do wake up and realize who we truly are- not this body but infinite, indestructible soul portions of infinity, then we real-eyes that there is absolutely nothing to fear, except fear itself!

Ceara

03-20-2008, 11:20 PM

You must remember that no matter what type of organization, there is ALWAYS an underground, a Fifth Column, a resistance.

After listening to David talk in his last video about the Stargate SG-1 series, I've been watching every episode from the beginning. If you have not seen their newest movie, "The Ark of Truth," it's a good one. There's supposed to be another one as well, "Continuum." Both are going straight to DVD.

Anyway I am getting off track. Within the Stargate series, you have the parasitic Goa'uld snake-like critters that attach around the human host's upper spine in a coil/spiral and reach into the brain.

However, not all Goa'uld are bad/negative. There is the Tok'Ra, the resistance. They too are parasitic and live in their hosts in a similar manner, but the relationship is cooperative and friendly with only volunteer hosts.

There's lots of symbolism in that TV series.

Why not then could it be possible that within this supposed Orion Group, there is/was also a resistance?

I have a particular attachment to Orion and hate to see suffering. I wish everyone would just get along. But I also realize that even those who are negative-oriented are also growing, and I have compassion for them. The negative ones will come around at some point and will not stay negative forever. They are just at another stage of growth.

AmelieJolie

03-21-2008, 08:54 AM

Well said, Ceara.

soup

03-30-2008, 05:18 PM

Something about this reminds me of the idea of Reiki / magnetic cleansing, and the idea that certain energies can be extracted to form a vacuum whereupon other energies can be substituted.

In context with the Ra materials, it may be that Don/Carla made such exchange which could be interpretted as a sort of sacrifice in some way which resolved part of the Christian residual influence at play with them.

I often wonder about Don's past life regression work and that if paradoxically the way he ended his life assured that he'd come back for future regression work, as opposed to leaving the human condition altogether.

soup

SuperManny

03-31-2008, 08:21 AM

I often wonder about Don's past life regression work and that if paradoxically the way he ended his life assured that he'd come back for future regression work, as opposed to leaving the human condition altogether.
soup
I still hold the somewhat unpopular viewpoint that the negative Orion entity that had been trying to break up the trio for years ultimately won the battle. If you recall, the police ruled his death as a homicide rather than a suicide, because he had "no control over his actions."

Can't help but wonder, if he was able to hang around for a few more years, what could we learn from an additional 100 or so Ra sessions? I'd be interested in finding out....

johnasmodeus

04-02-2008, 11:57 PM

[QUOTE=SuperManny;30154]If you recall, the police ruled his death as a homicide rather than a suicide, because he had "no control over his actions."

Well, that's peculiar, and I would love to know if there are details on that. If they ruled it a homicide, then who would they have charged with the murder? The fifth-density entity?

SuperManny

04-03-2008, 09:28 AM

If you recall, the police ruled his death as a homicide rather than a suicide, because he had "no control over his actions."
Well, that's peculiar, and I would love to know if there are details on that. If they ruled it a homicide, then who would they have charged with the murder? The fifth-density entity?
Ha ha that's funny! I like that idea, but I don't think there was enough evidence to pin it on him, because he didn't leave any fingerprints. :)

I've heard people hypothesize that Don's (sexual) feelings for Carla were so strong that it eventually drove him insane. There's a bio on wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Elkins) that briefly discusses his life, but this is all it says about his death. Elkins developed a mental illness in 1983, and ultimately shot himself in the head. The police ruled his death as a homicide rather than a suicide, because he had no control over his actions.

soup

04-06-2008, 03:24 PM

...I still hold the somewhat unpopular viewpoint that the negative Orion entity that had been trying to break up the trio for years ultimately won the battle....

My impression is that in the big picture, Don Fused with Carla energetically in a way that allowed for creation of the greater work - the channelings of Q'uo.

Such a perspective seems not so unlike the contrast one may draw between Old and New Testaments - one as severe, the other as relatively merciful.

With this broader perspective, the artistic metaphor of "winning or losing a battle" seems unneccessarily limiting...

soup

SuperManny

04-07-2008, 11:20 AM

With this broader perspective, the artistic metaphor of "winning or losing a battle" seems unneccessarily limiting...
soup
I think perhaps you are confusing the battle with the war. I never implied they lost/were losing the war, I merely suggested they may have lost that particular battle. I can see that looking at this event as "losing the war" might seem "unneccessarily limiting", but not if you look at the larger war and see how many of the battles they won.

Perhaps in the larger scheme of things they agreed to lose this particular battle, knowing that they could simply move on to bigger and better things.

twva

04-09-2008, 05:15 AM

Perhaps in the larger scheme of things they agreed to lose this particular battle, knowing that they could simply move on to bigger and better things.

I think it's likely that that is how Don was thinking about it (to the extent, I guess, that he was capable of rational thought at all at that point). He knew that their friend/adversary was unlikely to stop attacking them, especially Carla, and he knew that Carla had earlier come whisker-close to walking into a trap that would have enslaved her soul. Plus he was having great difficulty incorporating the emotional turmoil that opening his heart was causing. (Don was highly intellectual but somewhat emotionally undeveloped; as the group pursued the law of one he faced the necessity of meeting the self emotionally and spiritually as well as intellectually.)

I think he convinced himself that offering himself would free Carla. And in that sense he was right, though it took a lot of work on Carla's part to bring herself to the point that she wanted to go on living.

It's interesting that Don and Carla's book The Crucifixion of Esmerelda Sweetwater also ends with a sacrificial offering of self.

soup

04-20-2008, 02:34 PM

Maybe there was some "death wish" in there somewhere. I was reading that Pluto 8th house (or Scorpio people) can sometimes embody those sometimes.

soup

transiten

04-21-2008, 02:14 AM

Soup, Super-Manny and Twa

Being a scorp myself I'm astonished I'm still alive! I don't think it's only scorpios that can have "death-wish", but more so a strong pluto in the chart, and Neptune.

Concerning Don Elkins; could you say it was unwize of RA to choose an emotionally undeveloped man to have close contact with a woman in doing such a delicate work as channeling? I'm constantly thinking of this when listening to mediums and channelers; the emotional and psychologiccal maturity of those doing this work.

I supopose the Ra-group is also developing on their level, and maybe have missed some stages. I for one, should never dare to channel anything whatsoever even if I could unless I was more stable and socially integrated than I am at the moment.

Liliane

AmelieJolie

04-21-2008, 06:56 AM

Being a scorp myself I'm astonished I'm still alive! I don't think it's only scorpios that can have "death-wish", but more so a strong pluto in the chart, and Neptune.

Really?

That's interesting.
I have Moon conjunct Pluto, as well as Mars, Jupiter and Saturn in the 8th house.

johnasmodeus

04-21-2008, 06:47 PM

I didn't mean to be funny, not over something as heart-breaking as a man committing suicide. I just don't understand how police can rule a man shooting himself in the head to be a homicide. If he didn't have control over his actions, then who (legally speaking) did?

In any case, it's not important. I know that if I were Carla, and I came upon this thread, I might not feel entirely comfortable about people discussing my friend's suicide motives out here in the open like this. So I am going to excuse myself from the thread.

soup

04-21-2008, 08:39 PM

I wonder if that makes a stellium of sorts, so many planets in close proximity? How beautiful. So I wonder what Don's chart looks like,
does anyone know?

soup

inside-up

05-15-2008, 05:01 PM

This is a quote by Jim from the Epilogue of LoO book 5:
Jim: After we moved back to Louisville the mental/emotional dysfunction
which Ra spoke of concerning Don occurred. Don was noted all his life for
being very cool and extremely wise, emotionally unmoved by events which
caused others to fall apart. His observations and advice always proved to be
correct. Now, as this dysfunction worsened, Don saw himself intensely
affected by even the smallest stimuli. His worrying deepened to depression
and he sought healing counsel from every available source, yet nothing
worked, and he resigned himself to a death which he saw quickly
approaching.
After seven months of this mental, emotional, and physical deterioration he
became unable to sleep or to eat solid foods. By November he had lost onethird
of his body weight and was experiencing intense pain. He refused
further hospitalization which we saw as the last hope for his survival. The
thought of having him put into the hospital against his will was abhorrent
to us, but we decided to do it and to hope for a miracle, knowing of no
other possible way to save Don’s life at that point.
When the police came to serve the warrant a five and one-half hour standoff
resulted. Don was convinced his death was immanent, and he did not want
to die in a mental hospital. When tear gas was used to bring Don out of the
house, he walked out of the back door and shot himself once through the
brain. He died instantly.
After his death Carla saw him three times in waking visions, and he assured
us that all was well and that all had occurred appropriately—even if it made
no sense at all to us.
So we give praise and thanksgiving for Don’s life, for his death, and for our
work together.

soup

06-08-2008, 03:58 PM

I wonder if the whole "Orion" classification could be considered a sort of Archetype in some way, or else if it could be recognized by way of an Archetypal characteristic of some sort.

When I think of Orion, I think of "The Hunter" who resides in the sign of "Taurus". When I think of "Taurus", it can be interpreted as stable "Earth" sign, to which the concept of "money" may be associated. So in some way, I wonder if the "Orion" influence may manifest itself in terms of the monetary system, because it seems so much of the human experience seems to relate to the "fight of flight" responses relate to monetary issues where "the hunter" and "the hunted" may come into play.

This is not to say that I feel that Taurean characteristics seem likewise Orionistic in some sort of way or another. I consider that an Orion-like influence may relate to consequences of some sort of Taurus tendancy of desiring to attain a feeling of security by amassing monetary wealth, related to the notion of "slavery by one's own free will" as happening largely by way of economic means, in more cases than not.

More fundamentally, the Orion influence may in part be interpretted as a consequence of people taking advantage of trade disparities to an extent which leads to imbalanced breaking points.

soup

conundrum

06-09-2008, 05:02 AM

Now, as this dysfunction worsened, Don saw himself intensely
affected by even the smallest stimuli. His worrying deepened to depression
and he sought healing counsel from every available source, yet nothing
worked, and he resigned himself to a death which he saw quickly
approaching.

Sounds like he opened up to empathy to those around him and didn't have the mental tools necessary to deal with it or close it down .
DW has talked of this when his living arrangements caused him to live in a built up area, while sleeping a wino urinated on the wall outside DW started to experience how it felt to be that person the rejection the hopelessness ect.

Now imagine if you felt what every body around you felt and they were all depressed and miserable :(
The trick is to distinguish between your emotions and those around you if you train your self to feel love and light then when you feel like crap you know its some one else's emotions.

So all you need to do then is project love and light back to whom ether is feeling it
you don't even have to know whom it is just your intent with the feeling of love attached to it plus 5 minutes of your time.

L&L

soup

06-15-2008, 01:44 PM

On some level, there can be the discipline of "making love" that may actually displace other inferior ways of being. Some argue that love acts as a protective influence in some way. To me, it acts this way by displacement. So there may be some element of denial in the case of Don, difficult to say.
My impression is that those adept at the art of "making love" have a complementary value system in that they recognize "love" as high on their list of universal principles to align with and thus congruent to that may have some regular "spiritual practice" of it that goes beyond the drives of appetite alone.

I also understand that as people drop weight, they often naturally feel more anxiety than they may otherwise feel. Possibly that relates to one's tolerance to a sensitized body as opposed to a hyper-sensitized body. That vegetarianism may promote psychic faculties may likewise relate to body weight somehow, that vegetarians tend to be to a lesser extent overweight they may likewise be to a greater extent sensitive. Here the idea that food can act as a sedative somehow may pertain.

Related to picking up the projected emotions of others may be another discipline, that of grounding meditations and in doing so some work from a sort of detached point of perspective that allows one to better discern this from that as related to whatever state of being they find themselves in.

soup

soup

07-27-2008, 03:27 PM

...the only thing which would make me feel more certain about whether something is true or not would be to have first hand experience...

Does sharing by way of reading/writing count for some sort of first hand experience, or is it abstracted to such extent it should be discounted?

soup

3D Sunset

07-29-2008, 08:28 AM

The Law of One, Book I, Session 12

Questioner: Are there any Confederation or Orion entities living upon the
Earth and operating visibly among us in our society at this time?

Ra: I am Ra. There are no entities of either group walking among you at
this time. However, the crusaders of Orion use two types of entities to do
their bidding, shall we say. The first type is the thought-form; the second, a
kind of robot.

Questioner: Could you describe the robot?

Ra: I am Ra. The robot may look like any other being. It is a construct.

Questioner: Is the robot what is normally called the “Men in Black”?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect.

Questioner: Who are the Men in Black?

Ra: I am Ra. The Men in Black are a thought-form type of entity which
have some beingness to their make-up. They have certain physical
characteristics given them. However, their true vibrational nature is without
third-density vibrational characteristics and, therefore, they are able to
materialize and dematerialize when necessary.

Questioner: Are all of these Men in Black then used by the Orion
crusaders?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

- End of Ra Quote

Don lost the robot train of thought here as he followed the MIB thread, so Ra never gave any additional information about the robots. I suspect that the robots are out there to spread the word about negativity, but remain in the shadows. I feel (pure speculation / intuition) that they are tools to help awaken polarized negative entities to their true path. Even though we may feel that there are a lot of negative forces in the world, I think it's a real challenge for negative entities to find their way (within the law of confusion)and "hook up" with more of their kind in each incarnation.

Food for thought.

weboy78

08-14-2008, 03:17 PM

Excuse me, i don't know if this is the correct thread, but have you already discussed about S.Greer The Orion Project and Law of One Orion group?
Have you some doubt about this possible connection? (i hope not, for me Greer is a Hero)

sergejsh

08-14-2008, 10:30 PM

I've started reading this book, and the "Nordics" (bbb mentioned earlier) are a race commonly mentioned by UFO and abductee researchers.

I know one of the participants of physical encounters with extraterrestrials (story begins in Peru in 1974). He wrote few books about his experience. From that times was organized project, which includes many people from different countries. He mentioned that these groups in all these years experienced contacts with more that 10 civilizations, all of them mostly was humanoids (like humans, some just like us). Particularly he mentioned people from Orion and Centaurus constellations. From Orion looks like people from the North but with asian eyes, what looks very strange, he says. From Centaurus (planet Apu) are very tall, about 3 meters. As I know, people here never experienced anything negative. So for me was strange to hear that exists some kind of "Orion Group" which are "negative". Maybe it is something different, because Orion constellation is very big.

Also I am interested in ufology and particularly in cases with contacts with ETs, and do not remember "negative" cases, where was involved human-like ETs.

Earthcat

08-22-2008, 07:37 PM

The negative connotation to the "Orions" is an agreed upon misnomer. There are positive entities from this system. Those negative ones called "Orions" are actually from a system beyond Orion as we view this universe.

TheChosen

07-28-2009, 06:48 PM

There is a large inconsistency in the RA channeling I have found:

RA: Orion members do not perceive any virtue in other selves.

Therefore there are very, very few 5th density Orion members. (B2, 120)

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RA: In the Orion group there are a very few 3rd density, a larger number of 4th density, a similarly large number of 5th density, and very few of 6th density.

So which one is it. Is it a large group or very very few? Any thoughts?

twva

07-28-2009, 08:27 PM

So which one is it. Is it a large group or very very few? Any thoughts?

I think perhaps in the quote from session 48 Ra is saying that fifth-density negatives don't participate in the Orion group because they no longer see virtue in other-selves. So even though there are a similar number of fourth- and fifth-density negatives, participation in group activities is apparently much less in fifth-density.

In any event, Ra says that "Their numbers are perhaps one-tenth ours at any point in the space/time continuum."

Here are the links to the full quotes:
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=7&ss=1#15
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=48&ss=1#5

ETguy

07-29-2009, 10:11 AM

I think perhaps in the quote from session 48 Ra is saying that fifth-density negatives don't participate in the Orion group because they no longer see virtue in other-selves. So even though there are a similar number of fourth- and fifth-density negatives, participation in group activities is apparently much less in fifth-density.

In any event, Ra says that "Their numbers are perhaps one-tenth ours at any point in the space/time continuum."

Here are the links to the full quotes:
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=7&ss=1#15
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=48&ss=1#5

Either that, or it was just a mix-up with numbers. Ra probably meant 6th density in the first quote.

TheChosen

07-30-2009, 01:51 PM

Another point that caught my attention was:

"Their numbers are perhaps one-tenth ours at any point in the space/time continuum as the problem of spiritual entropy causes them to experience constant disintegration of their social memory complexes. Their power is the same as ours."

Any thoughts how come even though they are 10 fold less than RA and mainly from 4th and 5th density .. their power is the same?

ETguy

07-31-2009, 07:56 AM

Any thoughts how come even though they are 10 fold less than RA and mainly from 4th and 5th density .. their power is the same?
Their power is equal on an individual basis with all parameters matched except polarity.

charles obscure

08-01-2009, 07:39 PM

There are several mistakes throughout the Ra material having to do with numbers. Numbers are not a concept of 6th density, and it seems like for whatever reason the task of accurately defining things in numberical values gave Ra some difficulty. I believe Ra referring to some 6th density negative entities is ~probably~ innacurate. It could be possible however if an entity from 6th density incarnated in 3rd as a wanderer, and then reversed polarities. However, in this case I would imagine the entity would remain karmically bound to 3rd density, until it could make the jump back to positive energy and 6th density.

I believe the concept of numbers in terms of 5th density negative can be looked at in different ways and definetely seem paradoxical. By 5th density the social memory complex has absorbed many souls into its oneness/essence of being so, in a sense one could look at one 5th density entity as many souls, or as just one.

Its important to remember that 'many' and 'oneness' are one in the same, 'many' is an illusion. In infinity there cannot be 'many', --> 'many is a finite concept. That is why many spiritual truths can seem paradoxical when thinking of these concepts within the limitations of 3rd density.

ETguy

08-02-2009, 08:32 AM

There are several mistakes throughout the Ra material having to do with numbers.
Indeed. Not only numbers, but colors, and even polarities! At first I found this odd, but I have a natural explanation for it. Ra is a little bit senile! This might sound ridiculous, but bear with me. The seven densities are reflected in all living lifeforms, both spiritually and physically. Let's make an example with the human life progression:

Density, Awareness
Fetus
Age: -0.9
In the process of becoming alive.
Density, Self-Awareness
Childhood
Age: 0
In the process of gaining self-awareness.
Density, Seeking of polarity
Adolescence
Age: ~13
Seeking the self, identity crisis.
Density, Compassion
Young adulthood
Age: ~21
More passion, less wisdom.
Density, Wisdom
Middle adulthood
Age: ~35
More wisdom, less passion.
Density, Compassionate Wisdom
Late adulthood
Age: ~55
Compassionate wisdom.
Density, Gateway
Old age
Age: ~90
Gateway, senility.

Note: These ages can easily be calculated by multiplying 13 with the golden ratio (1.618) progressively. I chose 13 as the age of adolescence because that would give 21 as the age of compassion and 35 as the age of wisdom.

Ra describes the 7th density as the state where one starts to lose track of time and space. This sounds pretty similar to senility. Ra is late 6th density, which means that Ra is well into this "senile" phase. This is seen in the Law of One material as well, as Ra has a lot of difficulty with time, numbers and general finite concepts.

I believe Ra referring to some 6th density negative entities is ~probably~ innacurate.
I do not believe so. In my opinion early negative 6th density is possible. The progression in 6th density is so difficult for the negative entity, however, that the negative polarity is abandoned in order to progress.

charles obscure

08-03-2009, 09:28 AM

Ra describes the 7th density as the state where one starts to lose track of time and space. This sounds pretty similar to senility. Ra is late 6th density, which means that Ra is well into this "senile" phase. This is seen in the Law of One material as well, as Ra has a lot of difficulty with time, numbers and general finite concepts.

Interesting theory, and I do believe there is probably some truth there, but Im not sure about the 'senility Ra' thing. For one - Ra as you've pointed out is late sixth density, not seventh. The effects you've described would be observed at the tail end of a life, not the beginning of a last phase of being and teach/learning. Also, though things are a reflection that doesnt make them literal truths. I for one believe the effects of 'senility' we see on this earth such as loss of memory, dementia etc. are largely due to pharmaceuticals, our society being poisoned in its water and air, toxins in our environment, and basically just living through a very distorted existence. I believe in a harmonious society you would not see such effects among the elderly, and I believe the elderly would remain sharp, wise and leaders in our society up until an extremely old age. This point is somewhat reinforced in the Ra material, when it is disclosed that ideally a human in a more harmonious, balanced earth would live approximately 900 years -- This would make them practically adolescents at the age of 90.

ETguy

08-05-2009, 07:02 AM

Interesting theory, and I do believe there is probably some truth there, but Im not sure about the 'senility Ra' thing. For one - Ra as you've pointed out is late sixth density, not seventh. The effects you've described would be observed at the tail end of a life, not the beginning of a last phase of being and teach/learning. Also, though things are a reflection that doesnt make them literal truths.
Well, I guess the word "senility" is a bit inappropriate. But Ra does have problems with expressing finite concepts. I guess Ra is a bit too close to infinity. ;)

I for one believe the effects of 'senility' we see on this earth such as loss of memory, dementia etc. are largely due to pharmaceuticals, our society being poisoned in its water and air, toxins in our environment, and basically just living through a very distorted existence.
I agree, very few actually reach the age of 90, which seems to be the start of the physical 7th density - so something is not right.

I believe in a harmonious society you would not see such effects among the elderly, and I believe the elderly would remain sharp, wise and leaders in our society up until an extremely old age.
I half-agree with this. Losing physical and mental virility is a natural part of aging, and would occur even in a harmonious society. But I agree with the fact that without environmental pollutants, like heavy metals, this process would be delayed to age 90+.

I still hold my position in that in 7th density, a loss of understanding of finite concepts occur, which is why Ra has trouble with numbers. :)

charles obscure

08-05-2009, 01:45 PM

I still hold my position in that in 7th density, a loss of understanding of finite concepts occur, which is why Ra has trouble with numbers. :)

Some good points and I still agree with you to an extent, but I like to look at it more as a gaining of something more so than a 'loss' of anything, --one cant lose what doesnt exist. 'What is no longer needed falls away' as they say. I think it is not so much a loss of understanding as a letting go of illusory material as the spirit progresses. I think my underlying point is any of the finite concepts discussed in the Ra material that may be inaccurate are not really of much importance compared to the timeless information that is given.

There is really so much to learn beyond the finite. Its almost like this analogy: in elementary school a child watches a cartoon movie about 'proper cafeteria etiquette'. This child then goes on to go to middle school, high school, and finally college, then graduates and gets their PhD in whatever field. Then one day their own young child asks them to explain the rules of elementary cafeteria etiquette to them, and the parent is able to given them the thrust of the information, but some of it is mixed up or innacurate. Now, one could say because of this scenario that 'as an adult reaches maturity, at a certain point a loss of understanding about proper elementary school cafeteria etiquette occurs', OR, knowing through common sense that this information is no longer of much relevance in their current state of being one may realize its just not really anything thats at all reflective of their true level of intelligence or aptitude, its just a piece of information, that while useful in its time, became less important and not really needed as the individual progressed.

Id also be interested in you pointing me in the direction of the passages in the Ra material that suggest a lack of understanding, or any type of 'senile' state occurs in 6th or 7th density. I dont recall anything of that nature being discussed other than at a certain point an must let go of their individual/illusionary identity to become one with the all.

ETguy

08-05-2009, 03:58 PM

Some good points and I still agree with you to an extent, but I like to look at it more as a gaining of something more so than a 'loss' of anything, --one cant lose what doesnt exist.
I don't agree, the Law of One material describes spiritual evolution as a progression of losses rather than a progression of gains. These losses are in the form of distortions - unpolished blemishes that are polished away by catalyst.

In the context of the seventh density difficulty with working with finite concepts, this can easily be explained by the fact that anything finite is a distortion itself, as the "pure undistorted truth" is infinity. As blemishes are polished away, a soul resonates more and more with infinity and less and less with "finity".

Id also be interested in you pointing me in the direction of the passages in the Ra material that suggest a lack of understanding, or any type of 'senile' state occurs in 6th or 7th density. I dont recall anything of that nature being discussed other than at a certain point an must let go of their individual/illusionary identity to become one with the all.
Well, I realize that "senility" was a bad choice of words by me, I used it primarily for ironic/comedic effect.

Law of One, 16.20
Ra: I am Ra. There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

"No memory, no identity, no past or future" does sound a bit like senility, though, doesn't it? ;)