View Full Version : The insufficiency of Language ?
this is my first post on the forum and true to my past perspective form its somewhat negative/pessmistic in nature.(i have been working on changing this a while though, lol). anyway, i have just finished reading the article "the ascension" here on the site, the one in which david included a concise extract of a reading he gave to a gentleman in relation to service of others as a means for evolving into the 4th density through the coming ascension. and, what struck me straight away with what was being said, was the continuous use of the word "harvestable" ??? to be honest, i'm not very comfortable with being considered a commodity which can be "harvested" !!! i understand that language is a very poor communicator at the best of times, but is it possible that this was a fruedian slip ??? does anyone else take issue with the use of this word ??? (i should maybe remind any readers here, as this is my first post and you will not be familiar with me as of yet, i am irish, so i do tend to have a very sarcastic and dark sense of humour, and thus this is not an attack or accusation towards david or his channel, it is simply quandry on my part). well, now that thats over, back to the question at hand, lol ..any thoughts on this issue would be greatly appreciated..oh and again, its a pleasure to meet you and i look forward to getting to know you all..
free to be, so be free..
01-18-2008, 02:22 PM
it is merely an insufficiency of language...i'd explain it to you, but well...er.. i cant! lol.
well, ill try. basically, i dont take offense to this at all. we often harvest the second density food stuffs we ingest on a daily basis, should these then be looked at as merely 'commodities'? absolutely not! perhaps your confusion comes from the fact we have a very distorted system of goods and money/barter/power/trade etc on this planet, which generally commodifies anything to make a profit. many who 'harvest' things on our planet right now do so with zero love or emotional investment, and strictly for the business/ money aspect.
i can assure you those harvesting us do not have this distortion.
when thinking of concepts discussed by david or higher density entities such as ra it is essential to 'think outside the box' so to speak.
01-18-2008, 03:59 PM
i believe you are missing the point. lol.
01-19-2008, 02:20 AM
i feel that language is a lower form of communication than the higher forms, which i feel would be a kind of telepathy of the heart.
01-19-2008, 07:13 AM
i had trouble with the term "harvest" before as well.
but get down to the root meaning of the word. it means that it is mature or ripe, and ready to move on to the next stage. i don't think it's meant to be associated with a human "product," but rather something that's completed one phase and is ready to enter into another.
01-19-2008, 11:21 AM
gregory bateson wrote that "only a schizophrenic would order the meal and eat the menu". language works through very unconscious processes. when you think of the word "harvestable" you get specific mental images, maybe sounds, perhaps internal dialogues etc going through your mind. this you are not normally aware of. these are the responses that your subconscious mind has stored under this word. there are no strong words, only strong internal representations of those words.
all words therefore can be thought of as distortions because they only represent reality, they are not and never can be reality itself. you could easily exchange "harvestable" with "eligible for graduation". i hope that helps.
mike from norway;)
01-19-2008, 02:32 PM
hey bro, i'm all irish. hail the dagda...
in general, they say language was our downfall. it separated us from nature.
but this specific term, harvest. well, we certainly are'nt at the top of the food chain.
my beef is that the ptb have been at this game for so long. how is it that they've been able to get away with it - if there's any kind of karmic balance (i guess thousands of years does'nt count yet)?
i'm sometimes afraid that they know what the universe is about and that they can get away with it.
or perhaps, right now, they're in their own "stalingrad pocket".
and as i've said elsewhere, who really knows the demarcation in the sts/sto dichotomy? what if you kill off the germs inside you? or rather, what if you're a devout buddhist and kill off the germs inside you? will that guilt alone mess you up? etc.
it's got to be a frequency thing. the actual manifestations of sto is more a by-product, imo.
my present problem is that i live in an area where most folks are well off. as well as being totally asleep. i don't care being around them. but i want to be of sto.
i must start with myself, ironically.
helping others is awesome. but me thinks these are just events that fade in the wind (if anything, it's what you make of it). from what i see history, you could help everyone and still end up in a horrible situation. but this may be my 3d vision.
i like [authors name] little list of things to do in the back of his book. things to do to "reach escape velocity". as in getting out of the lower astral....(don't ask get the book. well, it's probably nothing you have'nt heard before : ) [pm vithar for name and book if interested]
hail the dagda
01-19-2008, 08:44 PM
language is definitely not the most efficient form of communication. studies suggest that in normal conversation, only about 30% of the communication is verbal.
the point is this is no accident; it's all by grand design, according to ra and a very effective catalyst.
it has been our supposition... ...that our logos was interested in, shall we say, further intensifying the veiling process by offering to the third-density form the near complete probability for the development of speech taking complete precedence over concept communication or telepathy.and another one i found interesting...
the nature of your language is such that what is distorted cannot, to our knowledge, be fully undistorted but only illuminated somewhat.
i think it all relates to another ra quote; 'were there no potential for misunderstanding, there would be no experience.'
02-01-2008, 09:43 PM
it's all about tones and the variance of those, these words we use imply many meanings, but we as humans communicate on much deeper more profound levels than our current "language". this is why higher density forms of yourself(ie; subconscious/collective unconscious) use symbols because they are much more efficient means of communication.. c'mon the actual earth itself doesn't speak, our sun doesn't speak what we know to be "language". there's too much interference when intoning these "words", hence people misunderstanding themselves and the basis of the predicament that we are in(ie; wars/opinions..blah,blah,blah, because that's really what it amounts to).... rest assured we will be out of this and onto a new platform of communication. i've never delved into david's work such as the ra channeled "law of one" series, these are just things i know to be true from my own source.
02-04-2008, 01:59 PM
personally i think the language used in the law of one communications is absolutely fascinating because it is so multi-faceted and layered. read it first and you take away one meaning, on a second reading it says something else, on the tenth reading it's still telling you something new.
i think of the word harvestable as the ripening of a fruit or the blooming of a flower - something beautiful. althought i can completely understand why the term itself can cause a reaction - it does rather jump out of the page at times.
my feeling is that when i react strongly to a word or term it is a prod to explore the concept more deeply, and often a sharp reaction to a word or concept will in itself cause me to ponder and thus encourage a much greater understanding.
02-15-2008, 03:46 PM
unless they want to eat us!
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