questions on second density

[estopatitiana]

Hi guys im brand new, and i love our 4 legged friends as much as the 2, and its been a while since ive read the law of one series. Anyhow, ive been wondering long and hard about this. Ra mentioned the 4th density planet will no longer have third density life, but i dont rememebr if there was any mention wether second would exist alongside 4th.

Also i thought i heard mention that the main objective of second density is to become self aware? is this correct?, and if so they go from a mind body complex to a mind body spirit complex, and are harvested into third desnity?

I dont know if you can answere this but i know that Ra has helped us third density folks in many ways, such as the pyramids, tarot cards etc to help us with our 4th desnity harvest. Does Ra do similar things to help 2nd density?

Can there be wanderers incarnate in 2nd density bodies? Im thinking of animals like alex the parrot, koko the gorilla etc. Seemed like wanderers to me because they drastically changed our views on animals.


And I vaguly remember ra mentioning a third density social memory complex that was formed from "trees" on another planet because they were in a constant meditative state?

hope you guys can help, its great to see other people out there talking about this stuff

[daresh]

Hi,

I'm not sure if Ra ever said anything about what happens to 2nd density after 3rd. Good question.

The objective of 2nd density is indeed to graduate it and become self conscious entities in 3rd density. If I remember well, the spirit complex becomes activated in 3rd density.

About the question wanderers helping 2D, no idea. Could be possible. But remember we as humans can serve 2d entities very well and help them to graduate 2D. For example with pets, you can really notice some pets which are clearly in their last life as for example dog because they act very conscious and seem to understand. Graduation into 3D is a natural proces which will happen with or without the help of humans but it can speed up the proces... I also don't think that for every special thing a wanderer is needed, the parrot could have evolved normally and be close to 3D graduation. Maybe they changed our view because they showed that animals can indeed show various degrees of consciousness which sometimes are very similar tot basic human behavior hence close to graduation...
I remember something from the Seth material where he said that he still experienced a life as a tree etc... So I guess it is possible that a higher density being incarnates in a 2D body but in the LOO nothing is said about this as far as I know.

About the question if tree's could graduate to 3D and form social memory complexes:

QUESTION: Suppose an individual entity of 2nd density is ready for transition to 3rd density. Would this 2nd density entity be an
animal?

RA: There are 3 types of 2nd density entities which become enspirited (i.e., 3rd density),
1. The most common are animals.
2. The second most common are trees,
3. The third is mineral. Occasionally a certain location becomes
energized to individuality through the love it receives and gives in
relationship to a 3rd density entity which is in relationship to it. This is
the least common transition. (B4, 177)

So it's possible, Ra made mention of a civilisation which evolved from trees and formed a social memory complex, if I remember well they came from the Sirius star system. They had no experience with violence as the old saying goes ""there is no tree so foolish that its branches fight among themselves." that's why they visited earth to gain information about war like actions.

greets,
Filip

[Magical_Mongoose]

My friend and I were discussing if 2nd density entites would be present on 4D Earth. Our basic premise is that they would have to be, as we will still need things to eat...as there is still a physical component to this density, albeit more variable.
Regarding 3rd density life it becomes a bit more convoluted, at least in my opinion and theory. Just as a caveat, it can be a bit like a square trying to understand a cube..but here we go.
The basic premise is that Earth will no longer house 3D life. Those currently expected to graduate from 2nd-3rd density may be absent from 4D Earth, although with many choosing to continue their work temporarily to aid humanity in gaining our bearings. However, due to the timeframe of the harvest, there would be a great pressure for Koko gorilla or Alex the parrot, to depart. We would need to let them free, and although there will be an enormous sadness surrounding their departure, our guidance and assistance could still be offered to them in their new homes due to the physical variability of 4D. They, in turn, would still continue to inspire and assist us through their growth. Nobody is ever left behind.
However, I recall Ra mentioning that some planets continue to have both 3D and 4D life simultaneously and that different "arrangements" occur on a planet-by-planet basis. So anything is possible ;)

[Verm]

I was under the impression in 4D that you don't consume or "eat" anything physical anymore. I believe the "food source" in 4D is from the life energy itself. i.e. Prana / Chi

[estopatitiana]

wow, thanks daresh (filip) thats what i wanted to hear. About The trees was a suprise, i did not know that they could move on to third density without a brain!, thats great. I really have new found respect for them now. Ive always felt something with them though, thier power and presence commands respect. Even though they came to earth to learn of war im glad they did.
As for speeding up the transition to third, would that basically be similar to a person simply forming a close relationship with a pet or a plant?

As for minirals graduating that was also a suprise, im betting uluru or ayers rock in australia has made the transition because its been sacred to aboriginals for thousands of years.

an your probably right about alex and koko, its funny how we know that things evolve but we know its not "randomn mutations"

thanks mongoose, thats the original impression that i was under, is that 4th density planets could not physically support second, due to the harshness of the environment if im correct

and i was thinking..... if i were to go around showing elephants, dolphins and the primates themselves in mirrors. i would basically be facilitating there third desnity harvest, if they recognized themselves? even though i guess you can be self aware without a mirror test eh?

as for the food verm, im not sure but i think ra mentioned that we do eat something in 4th desnity and we do a have physical body, but in fifth or either sixth that the life energy itself is the norishment..i dont know can anyone clarify?

thanks for the great response guys

[meganarline]

as for the food verm, im not sure but i think ra mentioned that we do eat something in 4th desnity and we do a have physical body, but in fifth or either sixth that the life energy itself is the norishment..i dont know can anyone clarify?

thanks for the great response guys

Hi all, I found this when I searched.


Category: Service to Others

43.17 Questioner: Is it necessary to eat food in fourth density?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

Category: Densities: 4 Fourth

43.18 Questioner: The mechanism of, shall we say, social catalyst due to a necessity for feeding the body then is active in fourth-density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The fourth-density being desires to serve and the preparation of foodstuffs is extremely simple due to increased communion between entity and living foodstuff. Therefore, this is not a significant catalyst but rather a simple precondition of the space/time experience. The catalyst involved is the necessity for the ingestion of foodstuffs. This is not considered to be of importance by fourth-density entities and it, therefore, aids in the teach/learning of patience.

Category: Densities: 4 Fourth

43.19 Questioner: Could you expand a little bit on how that aids in the teach/learning of patience?

Ra: I am Ra. To stop the functioning of service-to-others long enough to ingest foodstuffs is to invoke patience.

Category: Densities: 4 Fourth

43.20 Questioner: I’m guessing that it is not necessary to ingest foodstuffs in fifth-density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. However, the vehicle needs food which may be prepared by thought.

Category: Densities: 5 Fifth

43.21 Questioner: What type of food would this be?

Ra: I am Ra. You would call this type of food, nectar or ambrosia, or a light broth of golden white hue.

Category: Densities: 5 Fifth

43.22 Questioner: What is the purpose of ingesting food in fifth density?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a somewhat central point. The purpose of space/time is the increase in catalytic action appropriate to the density. One of the preconditions for space/time existence is some form of body complex. Such a body complex must be fueled in some way.

Category: Densities: 5 Fifth

43.24 Questioner: I am simply trying to trace the evolution of this catalyst that then, as you say, changes in fifth density. I might as well complete this and ask if there is any ingestion of food in sixth density?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. However, the nature of this food is that of light and is impossible to describe to you in any meaningful way as regards the thrust of your query.



Hope this helps,
Megan

[SuperManny]

About The trees was a suprise, i did not know that they could move on to third density without a brain!, thats great. I really have new found respect for them now. Ive always felt something with them though, thier power and presence commands respect. Even though they came to earth to learn of war im glad they did.
Ra says that some people from Sirius evolved from trees. Interesting to note that since their nature is more stationary; whenever they meditate, they would meditate on movement and motion, almost completely opposite from our meditations of silence and stillness.
Questioner: I was wondering if that particular social memory complex from the Sirius star evolved from trees?

Ra: I am Ra. This approaches correctness. Those second-density vegetation forms which graduated into third-density upon this planet bearing the name of Dog were close to the tree as you know it.

Questioner: I was also wondering then if, since action of a bellicose nature is impossible as far as I understand for vegetation, would not they have the advantage as they move into third-density from second as to not carrying a racial memory of a bellicose nature and therefore develop a more harmonious society and accelerate their evolution in this nature? Is this true?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. However, to become balanced and begin to polarize properly it is then necessary to investigate movements of all kinds, especially bellicosity...

....Entities of this heritage would find it nearly impossible to fight. Indeed, their studies of movements of all kinds is their form of meditation due to the fact that their activity is upon the level of what you would call meditation and thus must be balanced, just as your entities need constant moments of meditation to balance your activities.

[estopatitiana]

thanks megan that definetly helps, that is an interesting point that the trees meditate on movement.

heres something else ive been thinking of, is our higher self the same as our spirit complex? And doesnt this higher self help determine events in our different encarnations on earth that we can learn from?

if so, does second density before thier third density harvest have anything similar, so that they can have different catalysts in thier lives to help them move on?

oh and heres a off topic question i havent read the last book in the series that has all of the ommited materials, would it be worth reading in your guys opinion? i heard that it has lots of info on how the ra channel was made

thanks again guys

[Magical_Mongoose]

Thanks for the direct quotes there ;)

"Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The fourth-density being desires to serve and the preparation of foodstuffs is extremely simple due to increased communion between entity and living foodstuff. Therefore, this is not a significant catalyst but rather a simple precondition of the space/time experience. The catalyst involved is the necessity for the ingestion of foodstuffs. This is not considered to be of importance by fourth-density entities and it, therefore, aids in the teach/learning of patience."

I think it's suggesting that starvation doesn't occur...the gathering of food isn't some "do-or-die" catalyst that drives every action as it can be for some on 3D Earth, but a heartfelt exchange of energy and purpose as one nurtures the surrounding environment.
I think the closest parallel to our density would be recreational gardening...it takes patience and TLC to nurture that flower and wait for that stalk of corn to grow and is more of a lesson in respect and love than in survival.

Following this premise, I think that 1D + 2D would still be in resonance with 4th. It could be like the old "two places at once" = 1D, 2D, 3D entities on Earth holding another existence in 4D, 5D, 6D, 7D and as the Source, as we speak.
It's pretty crazy when you consider your cat being a trusted guide or that homeless man being God...all the more reason to place judgment at the door when you're going about your service.
Great questions though...it definitely flexes those intuitive muscles.

[daresh]

As for speeding up the transition to third, would that basically be similar to a person simply forming a close relationship with a pet or a plant?

Indeed, by having a close connection, learning it stuff, the pets can become self aware or grow more towards it...


heres something else ive been thinking of, is our higher self the same as our spirit complex? And doesnt this higher self help determine events in our different encarnations on earth that we can learn from?
Our higher self is different from our spirit complex. Our spirit complex is our direct connection with god. That which is experienced in deep meditation, the non dual mind, Truth, the way, etc... The higher self helps us indeed through our life and in between incarnations and well a lot of wanderers are actually their higher self (6d) if they are not in 3d. But free will is paramount here, the higher self guides but we need to listen.


if so, does second density before thier third density harvest have anything similar, so that they can have different catalysts in thier lives to help them move on?
2d is group consciousness, it's a good question. I'm sure they are guided to. My assumption is that when the 2D being grows more and more to 3D it becomes more and more guided on an individual basis. Because then it starts to distinguish itself from the group consciousness. But this is high speculation; I remember an OBE from robert monroe where he met a being very excited because it was being told that it only had one more life to go and than it could become a human.

[estopatitiana]

wow, very concise answeres, it clears up alot ive been thinking about. :D

group conciousness eh? That would be basically the same as instict right. For example ants have a strong group conciousness, because by observation of a few individuals behavior you can pretty much assume how all the rest will act, whereas bears or primates group conciousness is less defined and they are more of an "individual"?

now one last question then i should be satisfied with all my second density curiosity.

I dont know where i heard this, it might have been the law of one series or ll research, but is it true that there is a social memory complex that guides the "evolution" of a designated species of second density.
If so, are some of these second density animals or plants predisposed to becoming negative or service to self only? Because there social memory complex is negative? Or is all second density basically neutral.

Im thinking of something like a tapeworm, it seems to only exist to reproduce itself. Even mosquitos support many species of birds and other 2d

that is definetly an interesting point on 1,2and 3d holding existances elswhere
thanks again

[Magical_Mongoose]

Most second density entities are neutral, in my opinion, because polarization cannot occur without awareness. Instinctual tendencies are determined by survival within a "do-or-die" system, and thus many of these predatory animals are doing so not out of conscious choice, but out of genetic programming and learned behavior.
2d is group consciousness, it's a good question. I'm sure they are guided to. My assumption is that when the 2D being grows more and more to 3D it becomes more and more guided on an individual basis. Because then it starts to distinguish itself from the group consciousness. But this is high speculation; I remember an OBE from [name] where he met a being very excited because it was being told that it only had one more life to go and than it could become a human.
I've read some of [his] books and they utterly blew my mind. I think the timeframe of when he contacted this entity (I think most his work was done in the 70's-80's...but don't quote me on that), and based on the usual life expectancy of an elephant (its a complete guess, but something's telling me that's what the entity chose its last animal life as), it probably would converge around the 2012 area.
But yet again, just a guess ;)

[estopatitiana]

Can someone pm me with a message on who wrote these books that were just mentioned?, thanks.

[daresh]

estopatitiana wrote:
I dont know where i heard this, it might have been the law of one series or ll research, but is it true that there is a social memory complex that guides the "evolution" of a designated species of second density.
If so, are some of these second density animals or plants predisposed to becoming negative or service to self only? Because there social memory complex is negative? Or is all second density basically neutral.

All second density is neutral, they are pretty absorbed in the oneness of the group consciousness and of life as a whole. Actually 2D beings are more one then 3D beings, because they don't have the concept of seperation, especially the early 2D beings. The choice between polarities happens in 3D, before this the distinction is not made yet in my understanding.
This makes the whole saga also very beautifull, we come from oneness, become individuals and seek oneness once again with all our experiences.
The book we were talking about is from Robert Monroe, adventures out of the body or something. Basically he is one of the first in the west in the 20th century that wrote and explored the out of body world.


Magical_mongoose wrote:
I've read some of [his] books and they utterly blew my mind. I think the timeframe of when he contacted this entity (I think most his work was done in the 70's-80's...but don't quote me on that), and based on the usual life expectancy of an elephant (its a complete guess, but something's telling me that's what the entity chose its last animal life as), it probably would converge around the 2012 area.
But yet again, just a guess


yeah that is possible. It is also very interesting that Robert Monroe spoke with an entity which said that humanity had a chance to evolve to a higher level very soon. That referred pretty clearly to 2012 for me.
It's interesting to see all these unrelated sources pointing to the same thing...

greets,
Filip

[PugMeister]

I have a question along these lines. Are 2nd density beings e.g. our pets able to incarnate so they will be adopted by us over several consecutive lives? That is, they become bonded with us to maximize their growth toward graduation. I ask this question because I had a situation 2 yrs. ago when I got a kitten & she was killed by my Husky due to a mistake on my part.(I thought I had her locked in another room before I let him in.) After I buried her, I prayed over her grave asking her to come back to me so I could do a better job this time & help her to graduation. This past summer I obtained 2 twins the same color as my first & I believe that one of them which I named the same name is this very same cat That I lost the previous year. She is very close to me & I feel a very definite affinity for her. Have we had our companions before?

[daresh]

I think this is very possible PugMeister. Sounds pretty logical to if you think about soul evolution in general etc...
I think I read some stuff about it to in the Seth material.

greets,
Filip

[estopatitiana]

im going to ask you guys before i do some more reading and research. But after reading some of davids shift of the ages chapter http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=57&Itemid=36
on geomtric shapes and how they relate to different densities etc. It seems obviouse when you scroll down and look at the second density icosahedron and the seventh they look identical!? The only thing i can draw from this is that through our progression we start out unified then seperate then go back to being unified, and at seventh density thier unity is nearly identical to 2nd, my cat has much to teach me.
so, since the pyramid shape is for our density and we use it for mediation, healing/initiation etc. If we wanted to heal second density would we somehow incorporate thier own geometric shape, since most of us dont know how to ask for theier consent. Or could we use the same stuff we use for us?

I also wondered after listening to davids free download if you can take energy from second desnity the same way that you do from third. Using them as a scapgoat. And if so, can you recharge thier enrgy in the same ways, throug exercise/sunlight etc?
It would make sense to me that since our physical bodies are smilar to many animals that maybe all this stuff can apply to them also. And the russian pyramid experiments made me think that maybe i can help my dogs general health by placing thier food under this type pyramid?
Im also assuming that service to second density other selves is just as important as service to third density.
thnaks again for all your responses

[soup]

...It would make sense to me that since our physical bodies are smilar to many animals that maybe all this stuff can apply to them also. ..


Something about this reminds me of the idea of Reiki energy transfers. Some people believe that cats are natural Reiki channels.

In book 3 there's an idea shared, of meditating on Power, Love, and Wisdom in that sequence. When I read that - immediately I thought of the Reiki Power symbol, the Reiki Emotional Healing symbol, and the Reiki Distance Healing symbol. I wonder if anyone else had a similar impression.


soup

[soup]

I wonder if anyone else had a similar impression...

As a child our cat Pumpkin would sit on top of me as I layed on my back. Pumpkin would knead my heart chakra with his two front paws my heart to a point at which it became active. That's an example of Reiki cat energy, though back then I had no idea what the word Reiki meant. Pumpkin was unable to fight, whenever provoked by another angry cat he would roll on his back in a playful kitten gesture. How I love orange cats...


soup

[soup]

I feel as if I am better seen by animals than people, that there is something about me that animals generally have a better sense about than most people who are preoccupied with their head trips can.

In this way, I see most people as blinded by their own delusions. It is probably this effect which catalyzes people to keep pets instead of expending work in human relationship, there's more potential for sharing love, sad to say.


soup

[3D Sunset]

Ever since first reading the Law of One, I've been intrigued by the following comment of Ra.

Ra Book I, Session 19
Questioner: Let’s take the point at which an individualized entity of second density is ready for transition to third. Is this second-density being what we would call animal?

Ra: I am Ra. There are three types of second-density entities which become, shall we say, enspirited. The first is the animal. This is the most predominant. The second is the vegetable, most especially that which you call, sound vibration complex, “tree.” These entities are capable of giving and receiving enough love to become individualized. The third is mineral. Occasionally a certain location/place, as you may call it, becomes energized to individuality through the love it receives and gives in relationship to a third-density entity which is in relationship to it. This is the least common transition.

Now, for most second to third density transitions, the second density entity is harvested after death and then begins 3rd density human incarnations. What happens in the case of an "energized" location?

It would seem to me, for example, that Stonehenge was likely just such a place that became enspirited and evolved into 3rd density. I would expect that after it fell into disuse, it was harvested and possibly began human incarnations.

What, do you suppose, happens when or if the resulting third density entity visits their "native" second density location? I would expect them to feel an overwhelming attachment to it and affinity for it. Or are such harvested mineral entities possibly always incarnated on other 3rd density planets? Could such an encounter lead to an infringement of free will?

Similarly, do you suppose that the ancient Druids had a disproportionate number of evolved 2nd density trees?

All thoughts are welcomed,

3D Sunset

[soup]

Something about this reminds me of the concept of harvest, where higher densities may "eat" lower densities. This seems a good reason to say grace before eating.

Another thing I ponder is the idea that Ra helps to "join" the animate with the inanimate. I wonder if the Egyptian concept of Ka as personality is similar to the disciplines of personality mentioned in the Ra materials.

I think that the capital letter "R" somewhat resembles the Egyptian "Eye of Ra", and wonder if they are somehow related.


soup

[Tom O'Meara]

This month, Ecuador will hold the world's first constitutional referendum in which voters will decide, among many other reforms, whether to endow nature with certain unalienable rights.

Not only would the new constitution give nature the right to "exist, persist, maintain and regenerate its vital cycles, structure, functions and its processes in evolution," but if it is approved, communities, elected officials and even individuals would have legal standing to defend the rights of nature.

http://www.greenchange.org/article.php?id=3185

[soup]

I remember reading a book on Egyptian Divinities which described the many divine symbols representing the many aspects of the One. In there, was a description of NaTuRe as having qualities of the NeTuRu (home of the gods) in which the forces within Nature are projections of the Divine Neturu. It expanded upon this idea by suggesting a human form as a microcosm of the greater macrocosm.

In regards to the Ra Materials, apparently the only law is The Law Of One - all others as distortions of it - and that one of the first distortions seems the Law Of Confusion related to Free Will in ways of which the creator may know itself.

This leads to the idea of infringement - how is Free Will infringed upon? Is it possible that carelessness can relate to the idea of Higher Densities infringing upon Lower Densities? Is it possible that careless infringement may somehow have repercussions in which choices become correspondingly limited as consequence to the infringement?

Lately I've been pondering the symbol of Pisces as representing the 12th house of completion. There can be a tug of war of tension found in the symbolism which may relate somehow to the knack of changing our mind.

There is some quote by Einstein that suggests that difficult problems are best solved with a higher consciousness than was used coincident with the root of the problem. To me this speaks of the right to change our minds.

But if the environment is not there to support our cognition so, than that may be an example of limiting consequence. Hence, maybe environmental carelessness is an act of infringement which limits our own Free Will. Here may be some idea in connection between NaTuRe and NeTuRu...


soup

[PriestOfLight]

This month, Ecuador will hold the world's first constitutional referendum in which voters will decide, among many other reforms, whether to endow nature with certain unalienable rights.

Not only would the new constitution give nature the right to "exist, persist, maintain and regenerate its vital cycles, structure, functions and its processes in evolution," but if it is approved, communities, elected officials and even individuals would have legal standing to defend the rights of nature.

http://www.greenchange.org/article.php?id=3185

This is quit an amazing social evolution in my opinion. Makes one want to move to the areas where this level of evolved thinking is occuring.

Viva la nature!!

In the love and light of all that is

Paul

[soup]

I wonder if the Green Party could be considered to a greater degree congruent with the Law of One than other political opportunities out there. In the states it seems to be a lesser degree distorted toward power and control issues. I wonder if spiritual congruence with political party is even a concern amoungst the herd mentality, or if politics in general is, or even spirituality for that matter...


soup

[soup]

Recently I was considering the Ginkgo trees that survived the Hiroshima blast. They call them the tree of hope, and I wonder if by the act of eating these leaves that a person embodies these trees in some way that better manifests hope true to such ideal, and by this act one facilitates some transition of the tree to higher densities.


soup

[Brentnauer]

I was telling my sister about some of the Law of One, Ra and David Wilcock stuff and she asked me a question I thought was really good.

As I was trying to explain the basic idea behind different densities, she asked me "well if we're in third density, what were we in the second?".

I remember reading something about that, but can't find it now. Would you guys mind sharing your ideas or knowledge on the subject?

Also, what is first density? How many are there? Agh; just share everything you know about densities. :cool:

[Truth180]

That is an interesting question and did ponder this for a while, but I don't think if matters much. I think RA says that a tree or plant can be a consciousness being. As first density I think its the consciousness field as a whole or "One". Don't have the right words for this I am sure someone can explain this better, but just my two cents. :)

[Kris]

As I was trying to explain the basic idea behind different densities, she asked me "well if we're in third density, what were we in the second?".

I remember reading something about that, but can't find it now. Would you guys mind sharing your ideas or knowledge on the subject?

Also, what is first density? How many are there? Agh; just share everything you know about densities

Hi Brent

RA states that in second density we were animals and plants.

As regards the number of densities RA states:

Questioner: I am assuming that there are eight densities created when this major galaxy was created. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is basically correct. However, it is well to perceive that the eighth density functions also as the beginning density or first density, in its latter stages, of the next octave of densities.

The link below will take you directly to the Law of One where all the densities are discussed. The search function on this forum will also provide you with a wealth of informaton.

Hope this helps.

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?category=Densities#General