The Quarantine and 2012

[Magical_Mongoose]

I was thinking about this over the weekend, and based on what I've subsequently read, there could be something to it. I'm pretty sure others have suggested this, but here we go.
This period, I believe, is the lifting of the quarantine of the planet, which Ra stated is the web of Light that has protected our planet from the severity of negative hyper-dimensional influence. Conversely, it was set in place to protect the freewill of the population of Earth and was an expression of their wish to "go at it alone." This entailed forgetting the nature of our Higher-Self and on many occasions, the sacrifice of Love.
The energetic shift is disrupting this quarantine. Or rather, the callings of those who have desired to polarize necessitates the gradual lessening of this "forcefield." Both paths and energetic matrices are being unveiled, and while the rates of negative interference may increase, so to will the celestial support-system amplify their aid to those in need.
Once the process is complete, then again will Earth be enveloped in a "different" (as one could call it "denser" energetically, yet simultaneously more refined and more transparent to the Source) energetic grid that will amplify in-streaming Light, that will double as an "anti-virus" grid. The years following 2012 represent the formation of this new grid, with 2012 symbolizing the "zero-point" of the current quarantine before the 4D grid can be formed.
But this change necessitates that we are able to transmute and adapt to this denser energy. As difficult as it is, we have to release the blockages of the Heart. The stored pain of our past lives, our current incarnation and finally, that of the mass consciousness has to be released and left behind as nothing more than a beautiful experience in the formation of awareness.

"The love that you withhold is the pain you carry.'"

These coming years, in my opinion, symbolize this healing process that will be essential to riding the "zero point" of the current quarantine. Our internal shadows will be reflected in the external occurances of this time, and it's our choice if we remain true to the Love/Light or follow the path of the shadow.

It's business time.

[Firewalker]

'The love you withold is the pain you carry.'

That's interesting.

I agree with what you have said with one addition. Sometimes it isn't about making your way through pain or any such thing, sometimes it is working through wounds, but sometimes it's about noticing how we are designed to react to the world. When we stop trying to make things what they are not, the supposed negative situation melts away and simply doesn't exist.

For instance some people try to initiate things a lot and spend time doing that and meet resistance until they sit back and wait for the world to give them something to respond to for instance.

[Magical_Mongoose]

That's too true. Not reacting when you're "under attack" so to speak can be the best thing to do, with the source usually revealing itself over time. The greatest strength comes from remembering Love, and from this solid foundation even the most vicious circumstances can be accepted and with patience, overcome.

[Metamike]

I have more questions than answers. I do have an observation. I understand that part of the reason for the quarantine is to promote free will - to chose to believe or not believe that we are, or are not alone out there. More and more info is getting out - Hoaglands Dark Mission, CNN, the Disclosure project and of course David. I imagine this would make the need for a quarantine a little less necessary.

The energy grid change is more difficult for me to understand. If I understand the RA material correctly - I have read the books and Davids summary many times. RA says that the remagnification of Earth means that Third Density cannot exist. Ra said it is not a point to go for old age at this point. I kind of like that idea in one way, unless we get remagnatized on a spacecraft. The idea of starting civilization all over again on the ruins of third density doesn't seem right. My wife, she sides with the gradual energy change and getting used to the 4th density. That makes sense with indigo children. This is where I start to wonder if anybody has a clear cut answer.
Anybody out there?

[charles obscure]

I have more questions than answers. I do have an observation. I understand that part of the reason for the quarantine is to promote free will - to chose to believe or not believe that we are, or are not alone out there. More and more info is getting out - Hoaglands Dark Mission, CNN, the Disclosure project and of course David. I imagine this would make the need for a quarantine a little less necessary.

The energy grid change is more difficult for me to understand. If I understand the RA material correctly - I have read the books and Davids summary many times. RA says that the remagnification of Earth means that Third Density cannot exist. Ra said it is not a point to go for old age at this point. I kind of like that idea in one way, unless we get remagnatized on a spacecraft. The idea of starting civilization all over again on the ruins of third density doesn't seem right. My wife, she sides with the gradual energy change and getting used to the 4th density. That makes sense with indigo children. This is where I start to wonder if anybody has a clear cut answer.
Anybody out there?

It will be good.

You know in the Ra material where it says if one became aware of 4th density vibrational patterns in full, their 3rd density body would fail due to incompatibility? I feel like this is what would happen if you were to understand completely what is going to happen when the transition occurs.
The sense of mystery is part of all this, an integral part. Trust your intuition and attempt to raise your vibration as the planet's vibration is raised and all will be revealed to you exactly when you need it to be.

Many of the answers to the infinite questions I see on this message board I think are 'mu'. Meaning simply 'unask the question' or 'the question cannot be answered as it depends on false assumptions'.

When it comes to questions pertaining to any density higher than 3rd, answers need to be found within, as there will be no words sufficient to explain these things.

People take everything so literally in 3rd density...ahh the constraints of the mind.

[FooSnik]

If I were an alien I would keep us quarantined as well. Think of the consequences of someone like George Bush getting out of here and trying to conquer other planets for oil. Although, I was reading the other day that some people think George Bush is an alien but that is a whole other issue. :p

I don't think it is %100 certain that the quarantine will be lifted in 2012. I think they are still watching to see that we can conduct ourselves in a responsible manner. If they think that we will continue to be as violent as we are now then the mass contact will not take place at all. Or maybe it will only take place for a select few.

BTW...

"The love that you withhold is the pain you carry.'" I love that statement. Well said.

[Darak]

Many of the answers to the infinite questions I see on this message board I think are 'mu'. Meaning simply 'unask the question' or 'the question cannot be answered as it depends on false assumptions'.

When it comes to questions pertaining to any density higher than 3rd, answers need to be found within, as there will be no words sufficient to explain these things.

People take everything so literally in 3rd density...ahh the constraints of the mind.

I haven't posted much as I mostly enjoy reading all the variety of responses but I had to reply here as this resonated so deeply with me. Especially concerning some of the things specific to 2012 that I have been pondering lately.

I myself have tried to call this 'releasing the why', kind of like saying the why is holding you back from acceptance the more you ask it the more you realize the question is pointless, understanding will come when necessary.

Any of you with children will understand completely (my son just turned 5). It is funny how when you try and teach you become the student. In trying to answer his constant barrage of 'whys' and 'whats' I realized I could try and answer them all or start to show him some things he just wont understand until the time comes.

So getting back to the topic I feel that there are going to be things coming from different sources that most of us just wont fully grasp since what is being explained to us comes from higher source. Some others of us will have a better understanding probably because they have already been through it.

I'll keep it at that since I really had nothing more than that to say. It's always refreshing to be able to come here and agree with 99 percent of the things being said.

[Magical_Mongoose]

There's already been a shift to 4D, we're just lagging behind generally. Now, the shift is within you and within each other.
Regarding the Earth cataclysms, Ra said that 3D life (aka the mass consciousness of humanity as it largely exists right now) could not make this transition. Yet as far as I can remember, it mentioned nothing about 1D (the physical world) or 2D life (animals, etc) being destroyed, besides what we inflict upon them in the discovery of ourselves and each other...and coming to terms with that damage and healing the world. Although it did suggest there would be Earth changes, the severity of them would largely depend upon the degree of change within ourselves, as those catalysts have now largely become defunct and beyond our current time line.
It's all a matter of perception. Ra said the Earth has already shifted into 4D since the 80s, so it's a matter of perception and perspective to feel, sense, see this change...connecting with your heart and seeing everyone as beings of light just disguising themselves underneath the veils. I'll admit this is the hardest shift to make for myself, yet I think with practice and patience, it will fall into place for many of us.
I did not mean to suggest that the removal of the quarantine would result in mass landings, although it could (but it probably wouldn't as this would greatly disrupt the freewill of all parties involved, but it's possible within certain timelines). But rather, people would begin to perceive these hyper-dimensional groups more commonly and be able to actively decide what energetic structure they resonate with...largely during the dream cycle. Our choices within the world then lock certain probabilities and draw further attention and support from the respective group(s).
And this process of contact is occurring right now, with many of us perceiving filtered fragments of these meetings to fit within our consciousness-bandwidths. Yet it all comes down not to whether you remember, but how you act and what structure you unconsciously draw upon.
2012 represents both the "lowest" and the "highest" point where this guidance will be necessary but within reach. The timeline deviations occur depending upon whom (3D ~+/-, 4D +/-, 5D, 6D, etc.) we seek this guidance from (however conscious this process may be) and how we utilize it.
"Use the Force." = "Have faith in yourself and in the Creator." No book or drug can replace or truly mimic this. It has to arise from within.

[FooSnik]

There's already been a shift to 4D, we're just lagging behind generally. It's all a matter of perception. Ra said the Earth has already shifted into 4D since the 80s, so it's a matter of perception and perspective to feel, sense, see this change...connecting with your heart and seeing everyone as beings of light just disguising themselves underneath the veils.

Do you think that the changing of seasons is a conflict of your freewill? I never asked to be cold during the winter time but, nevertheless, regardless of my choice to be warm, I am cold. Aliens may land, regardless of our feelings about it.

[FooSnik]

I haven't posted much as I mostly enjoy reading all the variety of responses but I had to reply here as this resonated so deeply with me. Especially concerning some of the things specific to 2012 that I have been pondering lately.

I myself have tried to call this 'releasing the why', kind of like saying the why is holding you back from acceptance the more you ask it the more you realize the question is pointless, understanding will come when necessary.

Any of you with children will understand completely (my son just turned 5). It is funny how when you try and teach you become the student. In trying to answer his constant barrage of 'whys' and 'whats' I realized I could try and answer them all or start to show him some things he just wont understand until the time comes.

So getting back to the topic I feel that there are going to be things coming from different sources that most of us just wont fully grasp since what is being explained to us comes from higher source. Some others of us will have a better understanding probably because they have already been through it.

I'll keep it at that since I really had nothing more than that to say. It's always refreshing to be able to come here and agree with 99 percent of the things being said.

Very interesting. This is the first time I have heard that. "releasing the why" or "releasing the question." I think that that probably does hold me back a lot in my life. I spend too much time considering the reasons why things are occurring and I should do more of just diving in and experiencing. Thanks!

[SuperManny]

Very interesting. This is the first time I have heard that. "releasing the why" or "releasing the question." I think that that probably does hold me back a lot in my life. I spend too much time considering the reasons why things are occurring and I should do more of just diving in and experiencing. Thanks!I often compare a problem to a coin. One side of the coin is the problem; the other side is the solution. They are so intimately connected that on the one hand they are one; on the other hand they are opposite. What we need to remember is we cannot see the solution as long as we are focusing on the problem.

I think all our 'why's' and all our questions have one basic function; to get us to see differently. Only when we 'release the question' are we finally able to move on to the solution. Einstein said a problem can't be solved with the same level of consciousness that created it.

[vithar]

that was an excellent quote about withheld love and pain. perhaps that's another way of saying allowance.
(so what do you do if most everyone around you is rich, successful and either shopping or golfing? this is my mistake for living in a retirement/tourist trap)

anyway, i've been seriously influenced by Alan W. from canada. the exposer of the ptb's long term agenda. specifically, he says (which most everything is either documented and or in published books by these very people!) much of the mind candy we are exposed to is planted by the system's lackeys. especially in new age material and esotericism in general. surprisingly for me, this includes the mayan angle. apparently the masons had their hands down their as well. that is, way back when {they do this in order to carry out plans Down the road}. the word mayan itself was given to those people. the very leaders became masons!
but me thinks he paints with too wide a brush in some cases.....

one thing that seems reassuring is the hard observations concerning the solar system. the increasing energy, which at breakfornews someone compared to nagasaki. ie., no consciousness expansion after that influx.
nice wit if anything.

i can't believe it but the host at breakfornews included a little shot at the end of a recent audio about et's. the intimation was that those who believe in them are intellectually challenged. this had to have been from my post there about (what i posted on before). it was a slap in the face.

not much about quarantines here. this may be a term which is actually describing something else.

[Magical_Mongoose]

Well, according to some sources, there was a relative degree in consciousness expansion after Nagasaki as Wanderers began incarnating in earnest ;)
Also, many mark the period after WW2 as when the spooky-aliens began aligning themselves with military powers. Similarly, I would only think that in order to maintain such a balance, there was an influx of "others" working behind the scenes that avoided such a militaristic relationship.
Its difficult to really explain this concept of the quarantine without acknowledging the hyperdimensional essence of most, if not all, aliens "interested" in Earth and our evolution/polarization.
Regarding your question Foosnik, "Do you think that the changing of seasons is a conflict of your freewill? I never asked to be cold during the winter time but, nevertheless, regardless of my choice to be warm, I am cold. Aliens may land, regardless of our feelings about it."
All I can say is that from nearly every source I've researched, the nature of contact is entirely based on us and our feelings/resonance/wishes/ambitions and how those feed shadow and Light elements. Although this may become obscured in the case of a physical landing or focusing of higher-dimensional energies within 3D to a visible extent, there nonetheless is that desire present within the soul to experience those moments of awe, and as necessary for catalyst, fear.
Changing our attitudes and reasserting our energy in the face of an abduction often immediately halts the process and limits their "range of interference". Similarily, greater alignment with your Higher-Self and your efforts to become a more universal being could entail some degree of positive hyper-D STO contact, though again, this is done again as to not violate freewill.
Feelings have to do with everything in determining your resonance and the experiences you draw towards yourself. Although this can be overridden by our Higher Selves in seeming opposition to our veiled desires, we ultimate attract what we need to spiritually evolve.
That's the great mystery....
:)

[vithar]

this quarantine, if so, must be more of an agreement (as to some interdimensional field) - for obvious reasons. they must mean formal greetings... as judging from the literature, we've already got (and had) everything else.

[SuperManny]

Several people have hypothesized that the quarantine will be lifted on 12/21/2012.
Project Camelot has an interview that discusses the Looking Glass device, which was used to view the future. When they were using it to view the future, in one probable future timeline, they saw mass landings in December of 2012.

[soup]

In session 9 there seems mention of a quarantine formed "approximately" 75000 years ago upon the transfer of martians into gene altered lifeforms, an act that abridged freewill in a way that required a quarantine.

I interpret this suggestion that part of this was a "guardian service to others" act which the guardians were willing to do under condition of a quarantine. Probably because guardians had "been there, done that" and prefered life with a quarantine instead.

I'm not sure about Ra's strength in numbers, that this happened "approximately 75000 years ago" could tie in extra margins of uncertainty well beyond the timeframe of decades.

The "Council of Saturn" seems to have some influence in regards to quarantine, and that may be some direction of further seeking...



soup

[vithar]

session 9? is that in subscriptions?

i love diversionary abstractions. gives my venus square jupiter some elbow room.

there's only one event that has'nt happened; a public in your face/take me to your leader type landing. according to all the (anecdotal etc) literature.... everything with et's (etc) is old hat.
this idea could be filed along with photon belts.

and i hope they did'nt get the looking glass idea from romper room.

just kidding, i think.

[MarkM]

session 9? is that in subscriptions?

i love diversionary abstractions. gives my venus square jupiter some elbow room.

there's only one event that has'nt happened; a public in your face/take me to your leader type landing. according to all the (anecdotal etc) literature.... everything with et's (etc) is old hat.
this idea could be filed along with photon belts.

and i hope they did'nt get the looking glass idea from romper room.

just kidding, i think.


...The Ra material is timeless, there is no time...

In some respects the Ra materials seem artifacts.
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" comes to mind,
(apparently a paraphrase of something Plato said.)

What that we can sense with our five physical senses isn't an artifact?

What can we deduce from that which we perceive that maybe hints at more?

Maybe the relation between that which we sense and that which we feel is like unto the choppy surface of a lake and that unseen which glides beneath

I once meditated on a fragment of dried leaf and saw myself, beautiful!

As a young child, I remember the show 'Romper Room' with the magic mirror, where she could see us, and from time to time, call out our names.

I see you, and you are in my thoughts, you are loved. Really, there is no fear.

Wow..do you remember Romper Room?! You're taking me back a piece, V!

[vithar]

wanna play Dark Shadows? who wants to be Quentin?

yes, i'm your humble and loveable shoeshine boy... But, whenever there's a cry for help... Help Help Help! there's no need to fear, you guessed it is here!

..... Give me that magic bag! oh no! it's the Professor and Rock Bottom!!

a bit after the fifties. the sixties cartoons etc ruled.

i once found a site that had many of the theme songs for those cartoons. i seriously cried after listening to 'em all.

the beginning of Underdog set me off.....ahooo, ahooo......

Painful nostalgia. i find the same with led zeppelin.

[Kris]

Several people have hypothesized that the quarantine will be lifted on 12/21/2012.
Project Camelot has an interview that discusses the Looking Glass device, which was used to view the future. When they were using it to view the future, in one probable future timeline, they saw mass landings in December of 2012.

I heard that when they looked past 2012 using the Looking Glass device all they saw was pure white.

[soup]

Apparently the quarantine was a mechanism to preserve the "Law of Confusion" for those ignorant in ways of manipulation.

It may be that the masses become more aware of the ways of manipulation and begin making informed decisions which prevent them from being enslaved or falling into enslaving circumstance.

There seems some opportunity of using an STS mechanism for an STO purpose: to seduce the masses into a state of seeking whereby they become more informed and in less need for a quarantine.

In this case, the STS mechanism would not be distorted to the aquisition of power (i.e. by capitalizing upon trade disparity of some sort), because it would be executed as a form of charity.


soup

[Magical_Mongoose]

Apparently the quarantine was a mechanism to preserve the "Law of Confusion" for those ignorant in ways of manipulation.
Yet as awareness grows and as discernment is furthered, which is hopefully occurring within us now, it would grow increasingly redundant and perhaps even be stifling to our spiritual evolution (?). Perhaps a significant event, such as a mass landing and open engagement with ET forces, will be necessary to set in motion the major events in our polarization we're preparing for and deliberating upon now.
I'm pretty sure the blinding white-light the LG projected post-2012 suggests multiple timelines/densities/probabilities converging that it creates an impenetrable interference pattern or static. We'll just have to find out and be ourselves.

[soup]

...Yet as awareness grows and as discernment is furthered, which is hopefully occurring within us now, it would grow increasingly redundant and perhaps even be stifling to our spiritual evolution (?)...

So there's the idea that 3D offers the opportunity of accelerated evolution over what is possible in other densities, as byproduct of the nature of catalyst.

There's books out by [please email for author and books] - which to me in skimming them, seem to be examples of open disclosure of STS tactics.

It would seem to me that if people were aware of such schemes, they may be less apt to be bamboozled by their own free will - and as less apt to be bamboozled, possibly they would have more luxury time to spend upon seeking "the one infinite creator."

So is it possible that within STS hierarchal structures, (such as our modern day trading economy), that people can fall into circumstance which effectively "stiffles their own spiritual evolution" by way of their own free will?


soup

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

The quarantine creates itself, IT is the bi-product of the existance of Free Will.

The act of protecting the quarantine is a service to the Creator.
A Catylist itself allowing Growth by Understanding Unity. A lesson most usefull in the higher densities.

Through the Brothers and Sisters of sorrow, may the light shine.


Sylvain

[Magical_Mongoose]

So is it possible that within STS hierarchal structures, (such as our modern day trading economy), that people can fall into circumstance which effectively "stiffles their own spiritual evolution" by way of their own free will?
Yup! The excercise of free will can lead to greater self-awareness, like choosing to meditate or choosing to create an alternative support-structure organization in which the polarity of yourself can be examined and put into action. Or on the otherhand, it can do exactly what you speak of: undermine your evolution if you calm your qualms and place yourself within compromised institutions and corporations. Yet at the same time, at a cosmic level, these areas of spiritual "resistance" aka STS definitely do have purposes as catalysts for the whole game to remain in motion.

The quarantine creates itself, IT is the bi-product of the existance of Free Will.

The act of protecting the quarantine is a service to the Creator.
A Catylist itself allowing Growth by Understanding Unity. A lesson most usefull in the higher densities.

Through the Brothers and Sisters of sorrow, may the light shine.

Thanks for that. You've brought it around full circle...by maintaining that free will zone and creating a stable, positive energy field around the Earth. Maybe that's both the means of maintaining free will and the method in which we really polarize when the ante is up, when the maintanance of the quarantine is increasingly placed within our hands on a spiritual, 4D+ level.

[soup]

It may be that there's some relationship to the concept of "veiling" and the concept of "sorrow". That is, in some regard "sorrow" can relate to the idea of "the loss of innocence", an innocence that seems inherent within a "veiled" nature.

The metaphor of mother and child comes to mind - does the mother grow sorrowful as the child loses innocence, or else does the child grow sorrowful as it loses innocence - say in the act of taking on the responsibility of becoming a mother?

This could suggest that the nature of the veil is providing opportunity for both the mother and child, with the choice of growing less veiled as one of growing more responsible which for some seems, more sorrowful - say as tradeoff for being more innocent, playful, and childlike.

I'd say at some point, the brothers and sisters of sorrow again become the brothers and sisters of joy - as if as within a cycle that repeats.


soup

[soup]

I also think that the "brothers and sisters" of sorrow hold some warped sense of "fun" which distorts other people's perception of them as being more sorrowful than typical.


soup

[soup]

The Buddhist concept of "suffering" related to the nature of "impermanence" and "attachment" may relate to "sorrow" somehow...that there may be some solace found in the study of Buddhist Noble Truths for some.


soup

[Anatta11:11]

The Buddhist concept of "suffering" related to the nature of "impermanence" and "attachment" may relate to "sorrow" somehow...that there may be some solace found in the study of Buddhist Noble Truths for some.


soup
The real key to it is the understanding of emptiness. Once it’s clear (down to your bones) that nothing exists independently (as a unitary separate phenomenon), including your own self the rest of the path walks itself.
All conceptual elaboration is Mu, dependant on ignorance (aka the assumption of separation), and causing suffering (aka forced removal of ignorance by 3D space time).

For example:
Cause and effect break down when time is broken up into segments, such as past and future. When I throw a ball, there is some point in time where the ball hasn’t yet started, then another point in time (the future) where the ball is moving.

How can the point in time where the ball hasn’t started transfer a force into the future to cause the ball to move? The future doesn’t exist in the present or past, the ball at some point is stationary in the present, because it’s locked in the present it can’t transmit a force into the future (which yet doesn’t exist) to make the ball move.

Therefore a stationary object in the present shouldn’t ever be able to begin moving.

Yet I can throw a ball at you.