? relationship between Amilius and RaTa and Hermes

[shorty]

Hi,

Can anyone explain to me the relationship between Amilius, Ra Ta and Hermes?
I understand David was RaTa and is present today as an atonement. What is Ra Ta's connection with Amilius?
If Ra Ta has returned then has Hermes returned?

Thanks Shorty

[charles obscure]

Just going by what Ive read and some speculation here, but apparently the entity Hermes later incarnated as Jesus Christ, and according to the Ra material, it seems that his incarnate goals were met through this self sacrifice. According to the LoO this entity is not currently experiencing space/ time in this density, and is going through the teach learnings of 5th density.

[Nina]

Hello, yes, much to ponder, all the connections.
Am reading many sources of information to reach better conclusion myself. Rudolf Steiner also indicated that the great Zarathustra who lived some 6000 years before Christ was related to Hermes...
Never quite heard anything exactly like his account before, rather used to thinking of entire soul reincarnating. Matherne (in his "According to Matthew:The Gospel of Christ's Humanity"Steiner review) reports:"Zarathustra gave one pupil his teaching about Time, Moses, and another pupil his teaching about Space, Hermes. These teachings were transmitted by reincarnation into Moses of Zarathustra's etheric body, and into Hermes of Zarathustra's astral body. Thus it happened that Hermes became the first scientist as he studied the "secrets of those things existing contemporaneously in Space."
Please see http://www.doyletics.com/arj/tgosmrvw.htm

In General Discussions have thread "Christ Jesus" where mention is made of the more complex aspects of the Christ Being and Stener's greater elaboration that there had in fact been TWO Jesus children which account for the discrepencies in Matthew and Luke. Above review of "Gospel of Matthew" starts out w/this as well. Find it striking that Steiner's insights, alone to my knowledge, give much greater awareness to what actually took place.

(Sorry that RA MATERIAL did not distinquish in their questions, the difference between the Jesus soul and the Christ Being. Steiner has much more extensive info about the Christ Being, being very much present in the etheric, here and now.)

more about the two Jesus children:
review of "According to Luke"
http://www.doyletics.com/arj/goslrvw.htm

"Lives of the Master:The Rest of the Jesus Story" by Cayce writer, lawyer Glen Sanderfur...you may have seen...if not, would recommend, for info about Amilus,etc.

Have education underway re-Egypt.You may want to see Matherne's review of "Egyptian Myths and Mysteries"...
http://www.doyletics.com/_arj1/egyptian.htm
Matherne was trained in physics too. Found that he has excellent reviews. He wants to make Steiner more easily understood. Certainly am grateful for that. Sorry cannot give you a short, simple answer - NINA

[daresh]

just a quick note. In the loo channeled by carla Ra never said anything about Hermes reincarnated as Jesus, I could be wrong but never read that. I do remember that David spoke about hermes but not exactly in what way :)

greets,
Filip

[charles obscure]

just a quick note. In the loo channeled by carla Ra never said anything about Hermes reincarnated as Jesus, I could be wrong but never read that. I do remember that David spoke about hermes but not exactly in what way :)

greets,
Filip

Just fyi I never stated the Hermes/ Jesus connection was from the Ra material. (I read that I believe in Souls of Distortion Awakening by Jan Wichernik)

Anything that I specified 'according to the Ra or LoO etc.' I meant was from the Ra material. The other point was as I said based on other things Ive read and speculation etc..

[Rhonda]

THE GENESIS OF LIFE
more at http://archange.tripod.com/godsandmen/Genesisoflife.htm

Dates that marked History.

Jehovah's witnesses tells us that the world was created about 4500 years ago and that Adam has been created of earth and a little divine breath 4000 years ago. This disproves all scientific facts. Faith doesn't explain everything.

Not many clairvoyants and/or writers, in spite of biblical studies of learned people, arrived at a certain consistency, nor did they really research the question. Jehovah's witnesses made their calculations, they tell us, from the Bible's Book of Numbers.

What are, precisely, these events? When did they happen?

Edgar Cayce, the sleeping prophet, spoke of these events. Some researchers, while studying his readings, looked at dates, places and characters that marked history.

Here is a very short summary.

- Caveman = 10,000,000 BC. This was before the LAW of ONE. The scientific community, anthropologists first, place these beings to about 6 to 7 millions of years BC. They were the first fallen angles to appear on Earth.
- Apparition of Things, as Cayce called such mythical "beings": sirens, sphinxes, satyrs, centaurs, etc. These were "created" by the fallen angels who were still, after all, creators.
- Amilius = 200,000 BC. Atlantis; (manifestation of Jesus) - spiritual entity with a body; Amilius instituted the LAW of ONE. More than 330,000 volunteers - hermaphrodites - came with Amilius.
[Note: A manifestation happens when an entity comes to Earth and talks like a man, dresseS like a man and generally acts like a man. In all ancient mythologies, these beings were called "gods".]
- Rama = 103,000 BC. India; (manifestation of Jesus) - spiritual entity with a body.
- Adam = 12,000 BC. (manifestation of Jesus) in Atlantis or the actual Irak (between the Tigre and Euphrates rivers); Cayce is not clear on the location of this event; - spiritual entity with a body.
- Enoch = 10,865 BC. Egypt; (manifestation of Jesus) [also known ace Hermes, constructor of Great Pyramid]; - spiritual entity with a body. [After this event, all beings, all "souls", - except for the entity known as Jesus - will incarnate through the womb of a woman and thus acquire human bodies.]
- Elie had a body of flesh. We do not know when this event occurred.
- Noah = 9600 BC. [Noah was Enoch's great grandson.]
- UHJLTD = 9000 BC. Persia, today's Iran; (Incarnation of Edgar Cayce), was the father of
- ZEND (manifestation of Jesus]; spiritual entity with a body.
- Abraham = 6000 BC. (Incarnation of the archangel Michaël); Isaac's father (archangel Ouriel); Isaac was Jacob's father (archangel Rafael). [In the time of Abraham, lived
- Melchisedek (manifestation of Jesus) ; - spiritual entity with a body; it is said of him that he had no father, no mother.
It will be necessary to wait for the arrival of
- Jacob = slightly less than 6000 BC, to see the first incarnation of the Amilius entity. As a matter of fact, the eleventh son of Jacob,
- Joseph, the one that had been sold by his brothers - is Jesus' first incarnation. He had, for the first time, a physical body, since he was born of the flesh.
- Moses = 1300 BC.
- Joshua (incarnation of Jesus) = same period as Moses.
- Salomon, David, Asaph (incarnation of Jesus) and the Queen of Sheba = about 1000 years BC.


The Persian Legacy and Edgar Cayce Material book pulls the pieces
together. per Hugh L Cayce, Appex in The Persian Legacy, A
fictional Account of Persian History intended to serve as the basis
of a movie script about ancient Perisa.

Prep and dist. August 1935 by ARE Inc, Virginia Beach, Virgina per
The Persian Legacy and Edgar Cayce material.

Two powerful desert tribes gathered to celebrate the marriage of
* Kaila, Prince of Zu and Slumdki, Princess of Ra who were the
parents of Uhjltd

pg 120, A priest of Egypt had been called to perform this sacred
rite. From a foreign tongue, who's volume grew: Hear ye! Children
of the plains! Though the seed of this man and women many people
shall be blessed. Their first-born will be a son whose name shall
be called Uhjltd. He will reign over you and guide you. Follow him
and you become a great people. When Uhjltd was 21, is he was sent
for training for 7 years to this priest. For 7 years he studied in
the land of the Sun (pg 123), the truths which were taught our
fathers. Searching for knowledge of the laws of the Universe.

pg 145, The time come when Uhjltd, took a bride. I now unite thse
two, and proclaim that you shall call this day blessed, for you are
to prepare for the coming of a great world teacher. Unto this man
an dwomen there shall be a son whose name shall be called Zend. The
Great One has heard your pleas. This work will go on, and people
will be wiser and nearer their ultimate goal because of the work
which you have done. The way has been opened. May his blessings
rest upon you all.

pg 113, Zoroastrianism. The Persians were gifted in their
understanding of the study of the heavens and the celestial bodies.
The understanding promptee at least 3 Zoroastrian Wise Men to mark a
journey into Bethlehem to see for themselves the birth of the One
foretold by the stars. (Reading 1908-1)

1297-1 24. The entity then was among those of the Jewish race, yet
had withdrawn as it were from those teachings of tradition - or the
mere service in the temple - and had joined rather with those who
had become of the understanding as handed down by the old Persian
teacher, Zoroaster

1292-1
42. Too much might not be said respecting the entity's activities
during that particular sojourn. Much may be read concerning same;
and well, then, that the training of the entity include those
admonitions of Moses, the leader of the entity then, and of Joshua,
the companion of the entity

254-107

Throughout all of this Moses maintained his faith in, and upheld,
the God he had come to know through personal experiences. He had
heard the call from within. God to him had become a personal God.
For the people who fought among themselves at the foot of the
mountains God was still the God of war, the God with the big stick
who beat off their enemies but would turn on them if they went too
far.

683-1 (Story of Ra-Ta 294-153)
25. Before that we find the entity was among the Arabian people that
when into Egypt during the periods when there were the advancements
and the establishment of Ra-Ta as the Priest for the bringing
together of those that understood the relationships between man and
man, and those between the Maker
- in the manifestations in the earth - and the people that would
purify themselves to become living examples in the earth


1158-9
But we are looking as He gave, "I go to prepare a place - if it were
not so I would have told you - that where I AM there ye may be - I
AM!"

"Who shall I say hast sent me?"

"I AM THAT I AM!"

Does it not all remain then as a whole?

For without Abraham, without Moses, yea without David, what need
could there be that Melchizedek, that Enoch, or Joseph, or Joshua,
should again come in the flesh? fulfilling all?

Have ye fulfilled all? When ye have, ye are One with Him - are ye
not? Is it not a reckoning? It IS!

Edgar Cayce in past lives played many key roles as he did in this
life of E.Cayce

Just a few notes from various souces

[soup]

At some point, there seems a dissolution of identity and labels and these great masters may have adopted such a nameless state.

I'm reminded of the 900 year lifespans - wonder if that pertained to a spiritual lifespan where one incarnates many, many times within that span. I wonder if Ra confused the notion of spiritual lifespan with physical lifespan in the differing sessions that lifespans were talked about.

I also wonder about the incarnation process, is it similar for other densities?


soup

[twva]

I wonder if Ra confused the notion of spiritual lifespan with physical lifespan in the differing sessions that lifespans were talked about.

I don't think so. They were pretty clear that it was physical, and about why it became shorter.

I also wonder about the incarnation process, is it similar for other densities?

Do you mean in the sense of bisexual reproduction, etc? Ra did say this, which seems to imply some similarity:
Questioner: What is the purpose of ingesting food in fifth density?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a somewhat central point. The purpose of space/time is the increase in catalytic action appropriate to the density. One of the preconditions for space/time existence is some form of body complex. Such a body complex must be fueled in some way.

[soup]

...One of the preconditions for space/time existence is some form of body complex. Such a body complex must be fueled in some way. ..


This seems to get back to the idea of harvest. That is, just how 3d feeds on 2d, possibly the higher densities feed on some unseen 3d byproduct. Possibly there's some reciprocity going on which could act as another reason for the forgetting process. This might be one of those points that's good to be confused about.


soup

[shorty]

Hi Rhonda and everyone,

Thanks so much for responding with such complete listing of the past lives of Cayce -(Ra Ta) and Jesus (Hermes). I am amazed at the significant past lives of both Cayce -Ra Ta and Jesus -Hermes and their envolment and impact in the evolution of souls and man.

I still have to wonder about the the relationship Cayce -Ra Ta and Jesus -Hermes as it seems to relate back to Amilius. What is Amilius role in the establishement of Creation?

I also now wonder about the past lives of Cayce -Ra Ta and Jesus -Hermes from 60 ad to the present. I dont remember where I heard this but it has stuck with me for a long time--- Woodrow Wilson was an incarntion of Jesus -Hermes. I dont know if this is true.

We would really have to descern this for a long while as Woodrow is responsible for for the greatest blind act of treason in the history of the USA. (I am speaking of giving control of the us money system to the control of the Crown of England and creation of the IRS which is owned by the Crown of England and of course the establishment of the English Court System in in the US making us all subjects(slaves) to the now Queen of England.)

So does anyone know the past lives of these two enities for the last 2000 years?

Peace, shorty

[Moderator: to be noted here is that LoO material indicates that Jesus is resideing in 5th density at this time, so other interpretations may contradict this]

[soup]

...So does anyone know the past lives of these two enities for the last 2000 years? ...

I wonder if anyone in the group knows the past lives of themselves for the last 2000 years? If so, i'm interested in how they regressed themselves. Please share something about that if possible.


soup

[soup]

...I'm reminded of the 900 year lifespans - wonder if that pertained to a spiritual lifespan where one incarnates many, many times within that span. I wonder if Ra confused the notion of spiritual lifespan with physical lifespan in the differing sessions that lifespans were talked about...


There's a pyramid idea shared in book 3 which reveals that there's locations within the pyramid that can act to reverse aging. So in addition to the idea of reincarnation is the idea that the pyramids may have been used for rejuvenation and to extend lifespans. This may be how one lives to be 900 years old: rejuvenate yourself in a well tuned pyramid every so often. As the use of the pyramids for rejuvenation may have been discontinued, so may have the lifespans shortened to that which they are today (also shorter apparently with the help of so much monetary trading going on today.)


soup

[twva]

There's a pyramid idea shared in book 3 which reveals that there's locations within the pyramid that can act to reverse aging. So in addition to the idea of reincarnation is the idea that the pyramids may have been used for rejuvenation and to extend lifespans. This may be how one lives to be 900 years old: rejuvenate yourself in a well tuned pyramid every so often. As the use of the pyramids for rejuvenation may have been discontinued, so may have the lifespans shortened to that which they are today (also shorter apparently with the help of so much monetary trading going on today.)

I hate to quibble, but this is still somewhat at variance with my understanding of what went on with the life spans.

In sessions 20 and 22 Ra says that the initial life span, at the beginning of third density 75,000 years ago, was 900 years. By the beginning of the second major cycle 50,000 years ago the life span had decreased to 700 years. By the beginning of the third major cycle (25,000 years ago) the life span was as we know it today.

So by the time of the pyramids, life spans were similar to those of today. Also, Ra doesn't state that the pyramids were used to reverse aging, merely that it is possible to use them for that reason. Since the pyramids, in Egypt at least, were reserved for the use of the elite, it seems unlikely that pyramids had any significant effect on the average life span.

I do agree about the apparent effect of monetary trading. Here is Ra's quote (http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=22&sc=0#5) on the subject:
Questioner: Can I assume then that this drastic drop in average life span from seven hundred years to less than one hundred years in length during this second 25,000 years was caused by an intensification of a lack of service to others?

Ra: I am Ra. This is in part correct. By the end of the second cycle, the Law of Responsibility had begun to be effectuated by the increasing ability of entities to grasp those lessons which there are to be learned in this density. Thus, entities had discovered many ways to indicate a bellicose nature, not only as tribes or what you call nations but in personal relationships, each with the other, the concept of barter having given way to the concept of money; also, the concept of ownership having won ascendancy over the concept of nonownership on an individual or group basis.

Each entity then was offered many more subtle ways of demonstrating either service toward others or service to self with the distortion of the manipulation of others. As each lesson was understood, those lessons of sharing, of giving, of receiving in free gratitude—each lesson could be rejected in practice.

Without demonstrating the fruits of such learn/teaching the life span became greatly reduced, for the ways of honor/duty were not being accepted.

[soup]

...Also, Ra doesn't state that the pyramids were used to reverse aging, merely that it is possible to use them for that reason....


The ressurection comments seem to be in session 56 and 57, the age reversal comment in session 59 (these all within book 3.) In contemplating the "age reversal" comment, I was struck that this may be a distinguishing feature of stepped pyramids - that the age reversal vortices may be more accessible for finding that "perfect sleep."

I think that Ra's replies, in accordance with the Law of Confusion, were in some cases an attempt "align" themselves to the "free will" of the questioner in a way not to disclose so much information that it may have infringed on free will somehow. For example, were they asked if the pyramids were used to reverse aging - I don't think so, and so they never stated it because its not important to the context of answering the questioner's question.

I do think it is an interesting topic. Possibly shorter lifetimes come with a sort of repetitive overhead which effectively slows evolution somehow. This seems a good excuse to make the most of the time we're allotted.


soup

[soup]

Hermes may be symbolized as standing at a three-way crossroad intersection. It may be that the RA Materials is such an intersection, that three people working in a harmony were needed to sustain the contact.

It may be that such a symbolism of Hermes plays as some example of a more general phenomena at play within our world - that harmonies of three can somehow enable something unusual in some way or another.

For a long time I felt compelled to be part of some triple effort, then after feeling stiffled in so many various ways - I came to a greater point of admiration for the threesomes out there who can work so well together.


soup

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

Hi Soup,

By far, my clearest and strongest connections I have ever had with the Akashic records has been through the efforts of a tree way cooperation. Total respect and compassion opens a gateway of some sort. Although only 2 of us actualy got through to the end, the third person always kept the channel open for some reason. I always say that you needed 3 people to have a brainstorm, 2 people can only get so far, a third is needed to "Crystalize" the connection.......................Sylvain.......... ..............

[johnasmodeus]

I think you are mistaken about Wilson being an incarnation of Jesus there, shorty. Though I can't remember ever reading that, I do distinctly remember Cayce referring to Wilson leading the creation of the League of Nations under the influence of the Christ-consciousness, or the "mantle of Christ" as Cayce liked to put it. Perhaps this is what you read?