Q's about 2012, family, and what's left behind

[Rachel]

so, i have some questions about 2012. maybe i need to do some more reading on the subject - i admit i haven't read all the articles and posts here at divine cosmos or all of david's books - but perhaps someone can send me in a good direction to find some answers.

anyway, david seems pretty clear that the changes that happen in 2012 are positive. but i've also read that ra states that we must die within 3 dimensional reality in order to be born into 4th dimensional reality. this is how i understand it anyway. so here are my questions:

- it may be very presumptuous but i'm confident (relatively confident at least, lol) that i might be one who is born into 4th dimensional reality in 2012. i've been trying to lead a life in service to others and while i'm by no means doing so perfectly...who knows. i don't know what will happen to me but i hope i will advance spiritually. either way, whether i stay here or not, i have family members that may be left behind in 3-dimensional reality. what happens to them? i can't help but worry about what may happen to them. i want very much to do whatever i can to help them during such an upheaval in a very 3-dimensional way, i.e. providing food, shelter, safety, etc. as much as i've read that those aren't the priorities in preparing for 2012, i can't shake that need to want to help and protect them. what can i do?

- if all those who are on a path to serve others leave 3 dimensional reality to enter 4th dimensional reality, what kind of 3 dimensional reality is left behind? it seems it would be one completely full of self-serving energy. it seems that would make the personal journey to spiritual development that much more difficult for those who are still here, trying to develop spiritually. will this 3-dimensional existence become just a cesspool of selfish, self-serving energies? won't any "advanced spirit" stay behind to help those in need? it sounds like this reality will just descend into a "hell-like" situation...even more "hell-like" than it is now.

- i am prepared to "die" in 3-dimensional reality if it's necessary for spiritual development. at least, i believe i am. but there are some things that i still hope to experience in this reality. i'd like to have a child but if i won't be around to raise it and if this reality will just descend into a colony of self-serving spirits, that would seem like such a horrible thing to do to a young child. the year 2012 is 4-5 years away. i couldn't imagine having a child and then being gone before their 6th birthday, especially if i'm leaving them in such a state of global disarray. giving birth to a child seems an incredible experience to have but very selfish and hurtful to the child given what may be happening in the next few years.


in conclusipon, i don't know i will be advancing in 2012 but part of me hopes i will advance to a higher spiritual plane and part of me hopes that i won't so i can stick around and help those left behind. especially those whom i love dearly and especially if i've had a child who may remain here. so what do you do? how do you prepare for such an event in that kind of situation?

[MarkM]

hi, rachel!

there is a thread from july of this year entitled, 'thanks for the reading' on the 'divine cosmos' forum in which this question is addressed, and in which some truly beautiful thoughts are shared.

enjoy! -mark

[Rachel]

thanks so much, mark, i'll check it out! :)

[SuperManny]

mark, thanks for that reminder, i had to go back and re-read that thread. it is indeed very relevant to rachel's ponderings.

so, i have some questions about 2012. maybe i need to do some more reading on the subject - i admit i haven't read all the articles and posts here at divine cosmos or all of david's books - but perhaps someone can send me in a good direction to find some answers.
reading and educating yourself can indeed be helpful, but sometimes i find that it seems the more i read about this subject, the less i actually know about it.:rolleyes:

sometimes i can just get very quiet and kinda tune in to all that's available for us to experience. in doing so i find that there's a vast array of experiences to choose from, kinda like everyone will go thru the changes in their own unique way.

i see the ones having the most difficulty as the same ones that want to maintain the status quo of the power structure, because i see a probable reality for them where if they can just hold on a little bit longer, they would gain a huge advantage in their struggle for power. these are mostly stos, but would not include all stos.

now the next level (as i see it) are those that are so caught up in the struggle of daily living, that they are completely blind-sided by what's happening and are almost completely helpless as to how to respond. these people will likely experience a lot of earth changes. from this group we'll see a few heroes rise up, like a phoenix from it's ashes. not many, but a few will wake up and respond as if this is what they were waiting for their whole lives. unfortunately a few villains will emerge, here too.

and then there are those that will choose a completely peaceful transition, almost as if they suddenly remembered that the movers were coming and they had been planning to move into a new house in a much better area.

i also see a fairly large group of people who think there's something is going on but they can't quite put their finger on it. for this group it's as if time slowed down and their experiences will be spread out over a much longer period of time. so these are a few of the paths that are currently available, but as it draws closer some of them may be phased out as people make more life-defining decisions, either consciously or unconsciously.

...whether i stay here or not, i have family members that may be left behind in 3-dimensional reality. what happens to them? i can't help but worry about what may happen to them. i want very much to do whatever i can to help them during such an upheaval in a very 3-dimensional way, i.e. providing food, shelter, safety, etc. as much as i've read that those aren't the priorities in preparing for 2012, i can't shake that need to want to help and protect them. what can i do?i do believe that help will be made available to them in some form or other. sometimes we just have to trust that there is a higher plan at work here. as for being helpful i refer you to my sig; i truly believe the greatest gift you can give anyone is the example of your life working. at the risk of sounding selfish; this is much more about you than it is about them! they will be provided for.

- if all those who are on a path to serve others leave 3 dimensional reality to enter 4th dimensional reality, what kind of 3 dimensional reality is left behind? ...will this 3-dimensional existence become just a cesspool of selfish, self-serving energies?

i'd like to have a child but if i won't be around to raise it and if this reality will just descend into a colony of self-serving spirits, that would seem like such a horrible thing to do to a young child. the year 2012 is 4-5 years away. i couldn't imagine having a child and then being gone before their 6th birthday
no, 3d will not 'become just a cesspool of selfish, self-serving energies'. it will no longer exist at all; it will be completely transmuted into 4d, and those who are not finished with their 3d experience will have to go to another 3d planet somewhere else.

if you really want a child, i would encourage you to have one (or more). i don't think the child would be coming in completely unaware of what's going on, and what may potentially happen. who knows? but i'll bet there are some souls out there that would only need a few more years of 3d, before they are able to graduate.
infinite intelligence has many plans that we aren't aware of.:d

[Rachel]

so, thanks again mark for directing me to the "thanks for the reading (http://www.divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9392&highlight=thanks+for+reading)" thread. i read through it and listened to some of the 7-11-07 reading david did that was mentioned several times. i had listened to it before but it's been a while.

i have to say though that i feel very little comfort from what i've learned. perhaps i'm being lazy, perhaps i'm being stubborn. perhaps i've got some kind of selfish god-complex or perhaps i'm searching for something that just doesn't exist. i'm just having trouble coming to terms with the reality that no matter what i do, it's quite possible that those i love will suffer greatly during and after the 2012 shift and that i may not be here to help. i also worry that with all the "spiritually advanced" energies evolving, who will be left to help those still here? that wasn't quite addressed in the thread and the reading (not from what i remember). it seems this 3-dimensional reality will become even worse than it is now with no one here to guide those in need to a less self-serving path. it truly does sound like this 3-dimensional reality will descend into hell.

this quote in that thread from art did speak to me, though...

in my current level of understanding, it seems the desire to remain attached to loved ones after the shift represents a tether to our current 3d "reality". in my beginning studies of this upcoming shift, i read over and over again that to fully make the shift to 4d, we would have to cut all ties (tethers) with our present reality. else, we would simply remain in 3d. its easy to consider this when thinking about our current materialistic addictions and overall ways of living, but, when taken to the next level of leaving "loved ones", becomes quite difficult to accept. i mean, what's the point of making the journey without the ones you love?


i guess i'm just having trouble cutting those ties. there are most certainly some selfish components to that. i've been here for what seems like a while. i'm comfortable here and leaving to a new reality can be quite unnerving. i admit all that. but the possibility of advancing while others stay behind in what seems like a much more challenging and difficult reality seems a tad selfish as well. doesn't it? it hurts knowing this may be a possibility. maybe it won't hurt as much once 2012 comes and goes but what do you do in the mean time? i just feel like i'm not done yet, not necessarily with my own journey but with helping others on theirs. again, maybe it's some kind of selfish god-complex my wanting to swoop in and rescue people but how do you get past that? how do you shut off that instinct of wanting to help people even though you know it may be best to just let them experience these difficult times for their own spiritual growth?

[Kris]

hi rachel.

as you may have noticed from reading the "thanks for the reading" thread, i had (and to some extent still do have) the same questions as you as regards leaving our loved ones behind.

what has helped me is that i know i just have to trust that everything will be all right, although i know that doesn't offer much comfort. i had to lose my fear of the unknown because no one really knows what is going to happen.


i'd like to have a child but if i won't be around to raise it and if this reality will just descend into a colony of self-serving spirits, that would seem like such a horrible thing to do to a young child. the year 2012 is 4-5 years away. i couldn't imagine having a child and then being gone before their 6th birthday, especially if i'm leaving them in such a state of global disarray. giving birth to a child seems an incredible experience to have but very selfish and hurtful to the child given what may be happening in the next few years.

as regards having a child, i had the same feelings as you. i had not yet awakened when i had my youngest child, who is now 11, but the thought that i may have to choose to leave her when she is only 15-16 seemed selfish to me. how does a mother abandon her child for her own spiritual fulfillment and not think of that as sts?

i now believe after doing some reading that the many of the children born from the year 2000 on are "crystal children" and the many of the kids born in the last 30 or so years are "indigo children". these children are being born to show us the way to the next level and will not be left here with no one to take care of them. they will lead the way for us.

from the web site: [please email for site]

"the crystal children began to appear on the planet from about 2000, although some date them slightly earlier. these are extremely powerful children, whose main purpose is to take us to the next level in our evolution, and reveal to us our inner power and divinity. they function as a group consciousness rather than as individuals, and they live by the" law of one" or unity consciousness. they are a powerful force for love and peace on the planet."

i believe i know of two such children; one crystal and one indigo.

as well from ra:

questioner: ... i am trying to understand how this transition takes place from third to fourth-density. i will take the example of one of these entities of which we are speaking who is now in a third-density body. he will grow older and then will it be necessary that he die from the third-density physical body and reincarnate in a fourth-density body for that transition?

ra: i am ra. these entities are those incarnating with what you may call a double body in activation. it will be noted that the entities birthing these fourth-density entities experience a great feeling of, shall we say, the connection and the use of spiritual energies during pregnancy. this is due to the necessity for manifesting the double body.

so what i am trying to say rachel, is that we need women to keep having babies. we can't live in fear of what might be.

perhaps you'll be one of the women who has a "crystal child" or perhaps you'll give birth to one of the fourth-density entities that will be born of a third density mother and experience a pregnancy that not too many other women will ever experience!

love
kris

[music=geometry]

i was reading your thread and saw some peculiarities that i thought might be worth mentioning. first, you mentioned that you don't want others in your family to suffer and you are inquiring about post shift environments and such. people can and will perish at any time, it's not really a choice (unless it's suicide, but that is an entirely different subject) but it happens. let go. they have free will and if they are not ready to learn now, they will learn sometime in another life. many of us have done so for millenia, and others for eons longer. instead of dreading, learn to live in the now. be human! be an example!

and rachel, don't hold off your dreams for what could be, if having a baby seems right than you need to see with your heart and feel with your mind if that is the right decision for you. remember that gut feeling that kep you from falling in the playground? yup, your intuition will guide you, learn to trust it.

and lastly, read alot, read opposing sides to see where you stand, don't just read what sounds comforting. use polarity to advance and learn. without darkness, we would never appreciate the light! it's all an experience that we have through sound, geometry, energy, and emotion. and if you or i ever have to do this again, let's do it with style! i live every day to be an example, not rich, not powerful, and not even ascended. i want to be as good full of love as can be, and i leave the rest to the cosmos! :d

wishing you all love, light
music=geometry

[ZENKAIpower]

hi all my first post.

i dont want to offend anyone but i think that going from 3d to 4d sounds much like going from purgatory to haven.

i truly doubt that anyone knows what is about to happen. change is coming i can feel it too but what is it? there is a chance that change is not what we were expecting.

do i fear that i will not cross whatever it is that we need to cross? not exactly. why is that any different from fear of death?
this is complicated matter and i have trouble expressing myself. please forgive me i will try to find more arguments and express myself better in the future.
only thing i fear is regret.

[litllady]

dear rachel,

hello to you and to all!

i just wanted to give my 2 cents on your post. i'm a mother of 3 in the midst of seeking, wondering, accepting and growing myself. i have no where near the great info some can give you in this forum, but i can share my heart.

i too have worried about my family. there are very few around me that live of service to others. its strange now that i have looked at this recently, for i think i have been placed in their lives for this reason. i think in these next few years there will be glimpses of light shining through me that they will see. i think there will be glimpses of light they and others will see through our mother of nature that will shine on their souls as well. there is great times of light shining through the darkness to give others this chance of understanding.

i'm coming to accept more and more, to let things be what they may:) . every one of us has journeys to go through of learning. my journey has brought me to mother 3 beautiful children in this life. mabey, just mabey, my children actually chose to let me mother them. some say that this is possible. if you are spiritual, if your soul is strong, mabey a soul can choose you as a mother. i feel this has been happening for a while now. i feel the one that is in control of the bigger picture has a hand in these last souls that are being born before this change is to come. there is defiantly something unique about some of the children that have been born in these last 10 or so years. i see something in my children, they have a intuition about things and people that can blow my mind.

if being a mother is a desire that would bring you joy, then embrace that joy. we are here in 3d to experience these kind of amazing things, such as giving birth to a baby. i'm sure there are some who would say different, but we are here to live this life, not sit and wait. live it and live it shining love and peace.

i don't know what will happen with the 4d thing. its strange, sometimes i feel that my children would be more ready then i:) they just have this certain something about them. i love being a mom! i feel truly blessed to have them in the world with me now.

i too have wondered about if there will be some who stay behind. ive been told that we wont have that choice, but i think we might. i think that mabey when one ascends, one might be able to choose to help the ones that remained in 3d. these are just my feelings and opinions(which have been adjusting and changing alot here lately):) we are in 3d now, and there are those helping guide us, so i don't understand why some couldn't do this for those that need to remain in 3d. -mabey ill come to understand this more in the days to come.



peace to you and to all,
lynette

[Rhonda]

your story and openess is wonderful and gives light were light does not exist. thank you for sharing your true feelings and knowing.

much love and rainbow light.. r

[emcnicol]

your heart calls to me. have no fear, all is proceeding according to plan. take comfort in knowing that the prayer of our lord-

"thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven"

will surely come to pass.

not knowing exactly what will happen with yourself, family, and friends is difficult and scary, but trust in the lord always.

love & light,

ed

[onething]

i see no reason to make the assumption that children will be left behind. it would be rather weird really.

[Rachel]

hey, everyone! and thank you for responding. :)

i don't know about anyone else but i've been very moved by some of the responses. while i don't necessarily feel that much has been resolved in my heart, i feel like a light has been shined on some pathway to understanding. it's just difficult beyond difficult to follow it. i feel like i'd be leaving so many that i love behind. does that make sense?

i try to stay relatively aloof but i do have a tremendous capacity to love and want to take care of those i love. i get it, in my head, that this is only one aspect of reality and that death in this life means rebirth in another. i get that. it's just hard. and painful. i want to protect and love and reassure those around me that all will be okay. that they will be taken care of. i guess i just don't trust in the other side, enough. maybe that's my problem.

rachel

[Val Zee]

for what it is worth...i have found great comfort in a passage in the bible that states "we shall not all sleep but we shall all be changed in the twinkling of an eye." i can't give you the chapter and verse but it was in reference to the "end times". i know that there is much dispute regarding the accuracy of the bible but i feel that in this regard there is great value in these words and they are phrased in such a way that make it more understandable as to how the changes take place. there are times when the ra material seems a little blunt and short of the descriptions that many of us need to satisfy our understanding of the changes that are to take place in our bodies. somehow it makes it easier to visualize and accept an instantanious bodily change "in the twinkling of an eye" rather than thinking of our bodies lying lifeless for many days and then being raised with a new body. (our "light" body.)
in other places the bible also speaks about the necessity of "laying down the coruptible body and being raised up in an uncoruptible body." this is not too far remote from the teachings of ra. just a little clearer in terminology.

[realization]

you don't have to worry..having a child is not selfish, take it from me i know how you feel thinking it would be selfish to have a child now knowing somewhat what the future holds.but jesus says in the bible that we are to have children and fill the earth! i don't know if you have any christian beliefs,but when this shift happens even dave says he thinks that the rapture or what christ speaks of will probably happen before the earth switch,so have faith in knowing that whatever child you do have christ will know your concerns and i belive he won't let the children of the earth suffer on behalf of the self serving ones.

[litllady]

just to lift some hearts on this subject, let me tell you of a story my mom told me. my mom lost her first son when he was 7 yrs old. the site was a drowning at a construction pit. my mother claims that she saw her sons spirit walking off holding the hand of what she claims to of been jesus. my mother was not a very faithful woman at this time. after her mourning of a couple of years, she eventually found herself in church learning about god all because of what she saw that day.

i think the children will be safe, for what its worth.

peace to all,
lynette