Free Energy? [Archive] - Divine Cosmos Discussions

hyperspaceelf

01-16-2008, 01:07 AM

I think free energy has been demonstrated. I saw a two part documentary I downloaded from [site] in which they interviewed Tom Bearden and said that his MEG had been replicated elsewhere and shown to be an overunity device. They still needed to do mathematical modelling on it though to fully understand its workings for which they needed $9 million.
I also downloaded a pdf file through emule by an electronics consultant who described and provided pictures of MEG like devices he had built and of which some were close to overunity or overunity.

In the second part of the documentary they interviewed [please email for name or watch documentary below] who demonstrated devices they use overunity to recharge conventional batteries,
these devices are relatively simple. Even a schoolgirl replicated the device. See his Yahoo group [email for information please]

The documentary was 'Energy from the Vacuum':
[email for site name] Moderator: this has a trailer, but is a site that wants you to purchase and that is why you must email hyperelf if interested.

SuperManny

01-16-2008, 11:17 PM

I came across a book online that you can read or download in .pdf format
It's over 1500 pages and it's a very comprehensive guide to a lot of the free or nearly free energy concepts.

They discuss a Chinese man who invented a perpetual motion generator with permanent magnets. Their government requires a mandatory 6 month testing period before granting a patent, and they started testing this generator in Sept 2007, I think. So he just has to wait, and in the meantime he has obtained all the financial backing he needs, so it looks very promising.

Many more interesting stories and diagrams and theories in the book, too.
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Book.pdf

[moderator: this book is being allowed, as it is a dictionary of sorts for many inventors (not focused on one individual) of magnet-motors etc]

SuperManny

01-16-2008, 11:22 PM

Here's a clip from the book.
....a Chinese man,who has designed and built an electrical generator of five
kilowatt capacity. This generator is powered by permanent magnets and so uses no fuel to run. It has been
demonstrated publicly, and two of these generators entered the Chinese government’s mandatory six-month
“reliability and safety” testing programme in September 2007. [Name] has funding and expects to start commercial
manufacturing as soon as his generator passes the government testing.
However, it is not particularly easy to arrange permanent magnets in a pattern which can provide a continuous
force in a single direction, as there tends to be a point where the forces of attraction and repulsion balance and
produce a position in which the rotor settles down and sticks. There are various ways to avoid this happening. It
is possible to modify the magnetic field by diverting it through a soft iron component. An example of this is [name's] simple design shown here..........

Greywolf69

02-26-2008, 10:05 PM

tesla proved that we can have free energy ... J.P. Morgan Broke him ... but he was very successful at what he did and contributed (tesla). some of our devices we use now are because of him ... generators, AC electricity, radios, remote control, ect. free electricity is here and has been here. the problem is no money will be made by the corporations.

abundance = choise = freedom

scarcity = dependancy = control

Ewhaz

02-27-2008, 12:45 AM

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

This is a website for new and alternative energy/technology. Its dedicated to energy in general and has everything from free public projects and commercial technology as well. Its not focused at any one thing so hopefully it will make it though.

If you look around a bit you will find their open source pages, basically technology that is open sourced so that any one can get the information, among those available are magnetic motors, water fuel cells and more. Free energy is not a dream people, its a fact, however its been well hidden/squashed for a very very long time. It is only because the powers that be realize that they can no long hold us to expendable resources (Because they've been expended) that they are allowing stuff to trickle though. That and the fact the internet makes it impossible to limit information any longer.

Ewhaz

02-28-2008, 12:52 PM

Here's another good site, dedicated to specifically alternative energy and they provide tons of information on all the stuff you can get into, including some of Tesla's stuff and all the rest. They have a PDF book that is some 1000+ pages describing all this stuff in detail.

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/

Bill

02-29-2008, 08:05 AM

I hesitated in responding with this, as I wasn't sure if it would be viewed as an advertisement, or endorsement...

I know of a company that has been working on ZPE devices since the late 70's I believe. They are hoping to release prototypes this year, I believe. They have a few potential applications... Energy source for cars that can provide power to the grid when you are not driving, 1 KW modules that could be used for home or emergency power, and I think they are really focusing on battery replacements.

Company name is: moderator: sorry, conflict with policy, please contact "Bill" privately for information.

estopatitiana

02-29-2008, 08:26 PM

if i rememebr it right, look at all the project camelot interviews david mentions that we were given free energy technology that was basically a little box you could sit in your lap and could power your house, it was used to power the lunar lander. so weve had i, now we just have to find it again!
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jpstephens2012

04-05-2008, 11:34 AM

All energy has cost. The development of technology used to extract energy from alternative forms costs money. The electricity, the fossil fuel, all of them are free if you discount the cost of the technology to deliver them. Of course that does not mean that YOU get it for free, but once the technology is payed for the owners of the technology get it for free. It's a matter of who can afford the technology.

Some forms of technology are relatively cheap. One of them is hydrogen. Hydrogen can be produced very cheaply and efficiently but the technology to do this will never be available to the public in a large commercial way. The technology is extremely simple. It is based on electrolysis, the same technology used in car batteries. The myth of producing, compressing, and storing hydrogen in a meterable fashion is just more of the same old paradigm of oil and gas.

I can speak on this topic because I run my car on water. Not 100% yet but I'm working on it gradually. You can PM me if you are curious to know more, I have created a couple of standard responses I give to people because I get many inquiry's about it. "Free energy" is available but if you want it you have to go after it yourself.

Ewhaz

04-05-2008, 03:18 PM

Well, to be honest, there always is SOME cost to creating the energy. Even then though the output is greater than the input and so it's free energy. In all honesty, when you begin to research this stuff, it starts to make sense that the so called 'energy crisis' is another scripted event designed to inspire fear and reign in the masses.

As far as the hydrogen is concerned, there are actually several ways to do it. I've been told there is an metal alloy created that gives off hydrogen without electricity. There is also [name] electrolyser, and others, which get very high output of hydrogen, greater than what was thought possible.

Then there are other more radical technologies, such as the [name] cell (a supposed orgon accumulator) Some of [name] work on aether and sympathetic vibrations.. With the internet moving like it does, no one can keep a clamp on the information any more, it moves at the speed of light.

Muse

04-05-2008, 04:15 PM

From PROJECT EARTH: The Truth About ZP (Zero Point) Technology

http://www.projectearth.com/HTML/Articles/zp_tech.html

This is an interview with someone who has made free energy available for a long time. He is not alone. There are many in this same conundrum. My uncle for example had an engine that would have put a dent in the oil companies profits. This was in the 50's. He was told to stop or he and his family would be killed. Needless to say, he had to stop.

My ex had a neighbor many years back who was working on an engine. He shared it with him, and saw that it worked. He planned to take it to market. One day he showed up dead in his home and he was not ill or sick. My ex was convinced that he was taken out.

These are just two example that I know of personally. There are countless more. One for example was a young man at the age of 25 who built a carburetor that got 300 MPG. He was offered 25M, but refused, because he wanted everyone to profit from it, not just the company who wanted to purchase his rights. He was later found mysteriously dead.

Look what happened to Tesla and Reich. One died in prison and the other penniless.

All that said, there will be a time where "they," the few in power, won't be able to control all the people doing this. One will slip through and then another until it is FREELY OPEN for everyone who wants it. I can see this happening now. India is planing to bring a hydrogen car to the US in 09.

You just can't KILL what is inevitable. Love always rises to the top. :)

jpstephens2012

04-06-2008, 07:53 PM

As far as the hydrogen is concerned, there are actually several ways to do it. I've been told there is an metal alloy created that gives off hydrogen without electricity. There is also [name] electrolyser, and others, which get very high output of hydrogen, greater than what was thought possible.

Yes that's true but the actual name of the material has been suppressed because the guy who developed it is a die hard flag waver and won't tell because of "national security". Of course threatening him or his families lives had nothing to do with it. :) I am working on the [name] circuit to operate my electrolizer also. I expect to get much better output using that circuit. DW has spoken of the use of frequency and waves relating to water also. I believe that water is the ultimate answer to the entire environmental conundrum personally. It's just another one of those answers that is right under our nose while we are steered off on various goose chases by the [name].

How's that? Self moderated... lol!

JayBird

04-08-2008, 07:40 AM

We have an abundant of FREE as in free access energy all around us. The most common of things are taken for granted. NASA however does not. Below is an idea converted from NASA concepts of an emergency generator capable of over a million watts. Space energy projects require that much power in a blackout but could not be used for long term. A smaller version could store the excess power to supply a couple homes.

25.4 kilowatt home generator.

The process is simple, the application however is more complicated. It is based on 2 simple inventions. The "flywheel" and the "permanent magnet alternator".

Invention 1. The flywheel.
The average vehicle flywheel puts out about 70 hp at around 5-6k RPM. The larger the flywheel and the more weight safely distributed to the outside, the more efficient it is.

Once it "gets up to speed" the larger flywheel the longer it will take to stop. A well balanced flywheel will turn for hours in a vacuum after the power is shut off to it, just like a gyroscope or frysby. This continuous motion after the power has been removed, can be stored and used.

The obstacle is how to apply the power to the flywheel to take advantage of this. The answer is in nature. The pulse, or frequency. If you take a 200 lb adult and put them in a swing. Then have a 6 yr old child try to push the adult, the first push, the adult will only move a few inches, the next push moves the adult about a foot, the following will move the adult even more until eventually, if the child could keep up increasing the same gentle push, the adult would eventually spiral around the axis of the swing. This tiny pulse of energy is what we will use to get 70 horsepower from our flywheel.

Invention 2. Permenant Magnet Alternators (PMA's)
These are rebuilt alternators that contain very powerful rare earth magnets. Most of the power is drawn from the magnets and not from magnetic fields from coils. Old style alternators burn up power just trying to produce as apposed to PMAs where you can get 12 volts just by spinning them by hand with little to no resistance under power draw.

Put them together.
The average vehicle flywheel puts out about 70 hp and that is overkill to supply the mechanical energy to for the alternator. You only need a continuous gentle pulse of energy to a powerful electric motor to keep things going. You can get this from an earth battery, no I'm not going to tell you how to make one, look it up. This type of battery was used to power the telegraph systems in the middle of nowhere back before generators.

The earth battery we use to pulse the electric motor via a pulse micro timer, this turns the flywheel that powers the PMA. The power from the PMA is fed to a bank of batteries that go to an inverter that powers your house. You can get about 250-275 amps at your fusebox this way and never pay for it. Free energy. About 25.4 kilowatts of continuous power. Most people do not consume much at night so it would not have to run all the time, only as the batteries drained.

Nothing magical about it.
We have had this ability for years.

A PMA will run you about $300.00, a used truck or farm flywheel can be picked up for 25-50 bucks at any salvage yard and sometimes for free. The earth battery will depend on your materials but it sucks energy from the ground so who cares. About $300 for some batteries and the most expensive part will be the dc to ac converter and prices are base on your desired wattage. Your total cost is going to be around $1,200.00 by the time you are done so this is not free and a couple hundred years from now the magnets will run dry so its not limitless.

:eek: This is not an overnight project and requires adequate electrical mechanical knowledge. Flywheels and PMAs can be very dangerous, do your research and have a qualified/licensed attendant.

For more references, do an internet and video search for these:
Joseph Newman
Troy Reed
PMA power core
NASA space generator
flywheel alternator

[please e-mail for diagram]

eyez4096

04-08-2008, 01:47 PM

I havn't yet had a chance to look at your website, mostly because my own internet is notoriously unreliable while in Ghana. Free energy intrigues me; I'd very much like to know if your statement about running your car on water is based on technology which you have made or are willing to make available to my looking-over. One of my "feelings" which I was thinking about earlier before looking at this site today is that the only realistic way to make so-called free energy a reality is to short-circuit the typical patent process and make the detailed data available to as many people as possible. If enough individuals have the data available to, if they desire, acquire their energy for "free" then it would be theoretically impossible for the lie of oil and surfdom to endure. So long as this technology remains a rumor and a secret, it is more than useless. I would rather see "the world economy crash" because those who wish to control others spontaneously cannot, then see the grip of control spread even to those who are trying to develop new sources; one of the most fundamental aspects of the concept of free energy is that it absolutely cannot be controlled and therefor those who are developing it should not attempt to do so.

sorry if this comes off as argumentative; I've been quite busy and have no time to proofread this. The library here is about to close.

-Charles

billybobbutterball

04-09-2008, 12:57 PM

Jaybird's posting got my attention and I passed it along (with the sketch available PM) to some knowledgeable friends. For what its worth here is one opinion from a good buddy in the UK:

Hi, Bill

Yes, flywheels are reasonably good energy storage devices but I think your guy is being a bit economical with the costs. The flywheel may be cheap, but the casing, vacuum sealing and pumps needed to maintain it aren't. On top of that, its a scheme to concentrate a small energy feed by storing it for periodic bursts of power, so it will also need decidedly expensive low friction bearings. I suspect it won't work because the vacuum pumps will sop up at least the amount of power that the earth battery produces. An earth battery is essentially a primary cell, same category as a zin cor manganese-alkaline torch battery, so its isn't free - its electrodes will dissolve, putting toxic metal ions into the soil and needing periodic replacement. A typical one has its electrodes set a yard apart on damp soil, so its internal resistance is very high - think a volt or two but almost no current. Not what I'd choose to spin up a flywheel with or to run a vacuum pump. Living in steepish country as you do, I'd suggest that a private micro-hydro plant would be a much better bet. It would store MUCH more energy, is 100% off-the-shelf hardware and has no consumables to need replacement. Cheers, Martin

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We have an abundant of FREE as in free access energy all around us. The most common of things are taken for granted. NASA however does not. Below is an idea converted from NASA concepts of an emergency generator capable of over a million watts. Space energy projects require that much power in a blackout but could not be used for long term. A smaller version could store the excess power to supply a couple homes.

25.4 kilowatt home generator.

The process is simple, the application however is more complicated. It is based on 2 simple inventions. The "flywheel" and the "permanent magnet alternator".

Invention 1. The flywheel.
The average vehicle flywheel puts out about 70 hp at around 5-6k RPM. The larger the flywheel and the more weight safely distributed to the outside, the more efficient it is.

Once it "gets up to speed" the larger flywheel the longer it will take to stop. A well balanced flywheel will turn for hours in a vacuum after the power is shut off to it, just like a gyroscope or frysby. This continuous motion after the power has been removed, can be stored and used.

The obstacle is how to apply the power to the flywheel to take advantage of this. The answer is in nature. The pulse, or frequency. If you take a 200 lb adult and put them in a swing. Then have a 6 yr old child try to push the adult, the first push, the adult will only move a few inches, the next push moves the adult about a foot, the following will move the adult even more until eventually, if the child could keep up increasing the same gentle push, the adult would eventually spiral around the axis of the swing. This tiny pulse of energy is what we will use to get 70 horsepower from our flywheel.

SNIP
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Ewhaz

04-09-2008, 01:18 PM

Most of the information I've read on getting free energy usually depends solely on electrical principles, or more to the point, electrostatic principles.

This is all based on stuff from way back to Tesla's time, its really nothing new. It's a well documented fact that high voltage spikes violate the laws of electrodynamics. Basically they seem to create a situation where the output is slightly bigger than the imput, thats what all the technologies I'm familiar with basically work on. They create pulsed DC voltage spikes and then have some sort of recovery system. This is all using modern componants and I've seen things such motors running off a capacitor, and charging it simultaneously without a battery.. (Do a youtube search for the "bedini cole window motor")

Other video's I've seen are of people actually making generators that run on their own power. However they did not get into how it was done into too great a detail sadly. Mostly, with a small input of power, the units can multiply that using high voltage spikes and then gathering the energy up again. The spikes seem to disrupt the local time space feild giving breif access to the aether that is all around us. This cold electricity then has to be converted BACK into normal electricity (as it cannot be used in its normal state) and that can be done in any electro chemical storage system (IE lead acid batteries or electrolytic capacitors).

There was also talk of people creating Negative Resistors which could produce electricity without anything else.

JayBird

04-09-2008, 04:15 PM

billybobbutterball,

First off lets clarify some truth. I am going to try to be as positive as i can about this. Your attempts to discredit this well established concept was very sloppy. You never sent me a pm asking me for the diagram and I never sent it to you, that is a lie. I would have sent it to you had you asked for it but you did not.

This is not a very nice way for you to treat such a positive forum. Telling a falsehood to get credibility to discredit an idea, well i think you could have found a more positive way to approach this and still respect the forum and its owner.

Anyone else that wants it i will send it via pm. Feel free to modify it to meet your needs.

As i said, this is not FREE, there are parts that can cost and eventually replacement parts, just you don't have to pay an electric bill. So in that sense it is free energy.

Ok, yes i went cheap on the supplies, as any scavenger could get by with that price range. You should actually add about $1,000.00 to the total if you are going to have stuff machined or buy new. And yes this means the electricity is not really free, you need to build the

Your friends are not informed as to the power that can be pulled from the earth from an earth battery. You can set them up in series or parallel to increase voltage or current, the same as with other batteries. The initial power source is not important, regular batteries could be used or anything else such as solar as you are only PULSING the the motor that turns the flywheel.

The entire system is under a very low load at night and can charge up all night long as long as you have the battery supplies. Lead acid batteries have a way of charging themselves anyway. When your car wont start cause you ran the battery down, all you have to do is wait a minute and it will start again, is this free energy, possibly not but we are using the process to aid in our efforts anyway.

The system does not need to be run in a vacuum although it would increase the efficiency. Hundreds of scientist have proven the "flywheel pulse" concept by Joseph Newman and has many videos proving it. Troy reed uses the pulse/flywheel concept too and both Newman and Troy get constant power. Please take the time to check out and understand their concepts before you make another "authoritative" reply to this. Like i said, this is not an overnight project and will require some research but the concept is valid.

If i can get 200 amps from a 2-5 amp motor pulsing a flywheel, i can use that constant 70 horsepower anyway i want. If the power is constant, i don't care about the source. Even if you loose 20 horsepower through friction and from current draw from the batteries, its still enough to generate the needed electrical power. Although i like mini-hydro plants, this project is for people that may not have access to water for a hydro generator an may be looking for something that can stand on its own.

The info i posted was a general concept. And yes NASA uses it for short bursts of power but we don't need such large bursts (mega volts), we can take a lot of smaller continual bursts from the flywheel and use it and store it. Very few homes use a full 250 amp service at full load. Most homes survive on 5-6 kw. We are talking about producing about 25kw. The excess is stored all night for use the next day and still produces during the day.

Like the girl pushing the large adult in the swing, we only need a light push to keep momentum (power) to produce electricity.

The problem will be like in a solar panels that do not produce much power; slow consumption times during the day build up more than the batteries can use and can burn them up. A water heater element is most often used for such a thing.

Cheers.

schachlied

04-09-2008, 04:30 PM

I recommend that free energy enthusiasts (and I am one) read the following:

Dangers of ZPE
by Dr. Jay Garrett
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Thinktank/2272/

If you want to know the biggest reason the utility companies have generally not gotten into this technology (although I understand they have invested heavily in Black Light Power -- see http://www.blacklightpower.com/ or do a Google search for "hydrinos"), it is NOT simply because of the big, mean old oil companies squirelling away patents and intimidating people. It is also because technologies involving free energy reportedly create mini-warps in the gravitational field. These can be dealt with on the scale of a home device, but they cannot be scaled up to the size where an electrical grid can be supplied, without serious side effects. If you have ever read about the Hutchinson Effect or seen the videos, you know it's potentially like having a cross between a poltergeist and a Philadelphia experiment going on.

Maybe after 2012 the human race will be ready to deal with this energy responsibly, without turning it into weapons of mass chaos.

JayBird

04-09-2008, 08:24 PM

billybobbutterball

04-10-2008, 02:44 AM

billybobbutterball,
Another obvious flaw in your attempt to deceive Davids viewers is your mention of the vacuum portion in the diagram. Had you actually seen the diagram, you would notice that the vacuum is not on it. I only mentioned it in the post to explain the principle. Since i never sent you the PM with the diagram, you did not know this. Any of David's forum managers can verify this from the edited post and system logs.

I am sorry i had to write these past two posts, i had hoped people would play nice here.

Best of luck you in your adventures.

WOW! Best of luck? :eek: Like surviving a fall down an elevator shaft?:)

First of all I didn't lie about seeing the sketch business. I happen to be the first of those low-lifes -- the moderators -- who looked at it. I thought your posting was very interesting and favored having it appear in its entirety, but there was the complication of advertisements involved in links and that goes against stated policy, and that is why the sketch was required to be a private message item.

Since I had a copy of your original posting with sketch intact I emailed it to several people who might be interested in such (one happens to be a lead engineer for Lockheed, and he had once mentioned using flywheel power)

My friend from the UK is a chemist/computer guy, and a lot smarter than I am, so I posted his general critique of the device in order to get some feed- back....especially from the primary source, you.

At the time I didn't think that I was not playing nice. (I did notice Martin's incorporation of the vacuum business as a complication I didn't remember, but then my memory ain't that good no more. We both discuss vacuum bagging in molding carbon/epoxy parts, so that process is always hanging in our background thoughts)

Okay, Jaybird, I'm very heartfelt sorry that I so carelessly ruffled your feathers; but that was entirely an unforseen accidental consequence rather than a dastardly plot to do you a harmful deservice.

I hope the above account clarifies the waters of ill-feelings somewhat.

I'll zip your response back to my trouble-making buddy in the UK.

Thought: We are all one in love...but then, according to the old song, "you always hurt the one(s) you love" ...:)

Thanks for giving me a helpful lesson in humility, your humble moderator servant, bill gieskieng AKA billybobbutterball ... I'll try harder.

JayBird

04-10-2008, 05:20 AM

Thank you for the clarification.

I accept your apology. If you wanted more feedback, you should have asked for it, I would have been glad to give you more. And since you have been nice about this afterward, i shall give you more here in this post.

Although my post was meant to be stern, i in no way harbor ill feelings about it. I felt an excellent resource provided by David was not being respected and needed attention. I am sorry about your confusion and i am glad there was no ill intention on your part. If you are just semi-communicatively challenged instead of dark-minded, I can work with that. :)

It also breaks my heart to hear corporate trained engineers stonewall good people like Reed and Newman who have to fight the patent offices when they have never reviewed the data, a huge pile of documentation from licensed independent labs and engineers that prove the concepts. The patent office played the engineer game with him but eventually said Newman's device works, its on paper but they wont give him a patent.

Until these things roll out of the patent office, other engineers will not accept the physics until they have tested a working model. How many are on the market to test? You cant sell working models in the public without a patent. Therefore until then, the religion of science stalls progress because you are in a catch 22.

Here is another fellow who has done the same thing but has managed to get a millionaire behind him. Same principle, he has a pulsed rotating flywheel with strong magnets (not old style alternator) and gets out way more than he gets in.

His is all encased and machined as one unit.

[please e-mail for link]

The other main issue is; in the chance your device works with any type of over-unity or nearly free energy, if you do get your patent, US GOV slaps a National Security Notice on your posterior. Tell anyone and you go to jail for life as an economic terrorist. They don't want you to crash the U.S. economy cause you decide your gonna tell everyone how to run your car on water etc etc etc...

When that don't work, people still end up poisoned like Stan Meyers.

I hope this has helped feed your curiosity, you might wanna check your dna for cat strands. Just kidding.

DAB

04-10-2008, 05:34 AM

Yep JayBird...It is usually a misunderstanding in these parts if You are alarmed or offended by someone's actions or post here at Divine Cosmos!

Good People Doing Good Things....for the most part...not just part of the time but pretty much all of the time!

And thanks for the great info here...
I get "updates" on J. Newman's work regularly by email.

We are going to "unplug" en masse...it IS happening!

JayBird

04-10-2008, 06:21 AM

billybobbutterball,

P.S. Under the circumstantial evidence, i also apologize for calling you a liar. Had you said you saw it as a moderator instead of implying i sent you a PM i would have been more understanding. So as you can see from my point of view when you mentioned the diagram, it was a huge red flag that someone was abusing the forum. I will try to be more exacting in my explanations should i be inspired to make another technical post. I hope that will help.

Also i think it would be helpful if the moderators would list themselves as such in the in their signature. (This is usually an option in the profile section.) It would be nice to know who the moderators are.

Thank you again for clearing up our coincidental misunderstanding.

billybobbutterball

04-10-2008, 02:53 PM

billybobbutterball,

P.S. Under the circumstantial evidence, i also apologize for calling you a liar. Had you said you saw it as a moderator instead of implying i sent you a PM i would have been more understanding. SNIP

Also i think it would be helpful if the moderators would list themselves as such in the in their signature. (This is usually an option in the profile section.) It would be nice to know who the moderators are.

SNIP

Yeah, taking a short cut by merely saying it was available as a PM was a flawed alternative on my part.

And, yes, the moderator's have that option of displaying that title. But look at it from my point of view, I do a fair amount of posting, and waving around the fact that I'm a Wow! Moderator! (albeit a jr. one) implies that my mere opinons carry the authority and weight of some DW imprimatur. The real fact is that billybobbutterball occasionally gets his own knuckles rapped for pushing the envelope.

Here is the secret list of who's who in "moderating"; Chris Hamilton is the long-time guiding Goddess of posting correctness. Ironically she is listed as a mere "member". Another veteran is the indomitable and massive posting phenomenon, Light Eye...an Administrator. Mark M and Billybobbutterball
are recent recruits -- added just in the nick of time to help out with the tremendous influx of new visiters and members attracted to the site via David's recent sensational appearances and videos. And we have a very appreciated newbie, the lovely Kris, who is busy learning the ropes.

Many posts are not quickly dealt with through a quick scan of text since they often contain links that also have to be checked...How many posts can one check out when several hour's long videos have to be viewed and cleared? :eek: Many are boderline cases, so a consensus is taken among the moderators. After being introduced to this side of the counter I have to take back all the nasty thoughts I have flashed about prissy moderators over the past years!

Upward and onwards, Excelsior!

bill gieskieng AKA billious g, billybobbutterperson :)

Muse

08-18-2008, 08:23 PM

Free energy is finally going to be available for use. We all know its been available for decades but has been suppressed, along with inventors being ridiculed and scorned, even murdered. The elite knows they can't keep us from this at the same time they are crying global warming (which is backfiring in their face as they know there is no such thing) ... so they are gouging for all they can get without ensuing riots and anarchy, before the current machines become obsolete (look at Honda's new fuel cell car ready for production)... which is just a few years away. We can all power our homes with free energy as well. It's a new world dawning ... 2012 is not far off.

Born23EB

08-19-2008, 04:52 PM

I live in Alberta, right in the middle of a Provincial economy that is largely driven by the Oil Industry. I daily witness people driving around in Humvees that are extreme fuel guzzlers. A good number I imagine do not even drive these vehicle Off Road for which they were designed. There are some incentives that override the world trend to move toward other energy options. Due to our climate, the demand for energy intensive approaches are the norm. I for one, am interested to open the way for alternatives as soon as possible. But some of you may know, the Energy Industry lobbies are very powerful and influential in shaping consensus reality, as some have pointed out here and elsewhere. I have attended an Energy Expo here a few years back and noticed that at least 85% of the audience present looked to be under age 25. This indicates to me the the incoming generation are ready to adapt into a new paradigm now.

mwr1026

08-19-2008, 08:00 PM

I was at my two granddaughters' birthday party over the weekend, and had the chance to talk to a few engineers. (My son is a QC engineer at Lockheed and several of his buddies are EEs.) I asked them why nobody seems to be working on the free energy stuff Tesla came up with, and they just shrugged with sort of blank looks. No one had a clue, and none were interested in the topic. I think it may have something to do with the way they are taught to think about this stuff in the universities.
Not surprising, considering who funds the technical schools.

But I really was surprised that none of them are even thinking about this stuff. In general, they are all progressive, forward thinking, creative guys.

PriestOfLight

08-20-2008, 09:44 AM

Here are the forerunners IMO of Free Energy

Solar Power

Solar energy is the utilization of the radiant energy from the Sun. Solar power is often used interchangeably with solar energy but refers more specifically to the conversion of sunlight into electricity, either by photovoltaics and concentrating solar thermal devices, or by one of several experimental technologies such as thermoelectric converters, solar chimneys or solar ponds
Solar energy and shading are important considerations in building design. Thermal mass is used to conserve the heat that sunshine delivers to all buildings. Daylighting techniques optimize the use of light in buildings. Solar water heaters heat swimming pools and provide domestic hot water. In agriculture, greenhouses expand growing seasons and pumps powered by solar cells (also known as photovoltaics) provide water for grazing animals. Evaporation ponds are used to harvest salt and clean waste streams of contaminants.

Since a recent breakthrough from MIT, solar power is now a 24/7 energy resource. That’s right, solar power technology can even produce power at night when the sun is not out.

Check out the recent article on techologyreview.com

http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/21155/

Wind Energy

Wind power is the conversion of wind energy into a useful form, such as electricity, using wind turbines. At the end of 2007, worldwide capacity of wind-powered generators was 94.1 gigawatts. Although wind currently produces about 1% of world-wide electricity use, it accounts for approximately 19% of electricity production in Denmark, 9% in Spain and Portugal, and 6% in Germany and the Republic of Ireland (2007 data). Globally, wind power generation increased more than fivefold between 2000 and 2007.

Most wind power is generated in the form of electricity. Large scale wind farms are connected to electrical grids. Individual turbines can provide electricity to isolated locations. In windmills, wind energy is used directly as mechanical energy for pumping water or grinding grain.

Wind energy is plentiful, renewable, widely distributed, clean, and reduces greenhouse gas emissions when it displaces fossil-fuel-derived electricity. The intermittency of wind seldom creates problems when using wind power to supply a low proportion of total demand. Where wind is to be used for a moderate fraction of demand, additional costs for compensation of intermittency are considered to be modest.

Black Light Generator

BlackLight’s catalysis of atomic hydrogen represents a new source of energy with H2O as the source of hydrogen fuel obtained by diverting a fraction of the output energy of the process to split water into its elemental constituents. Moreover, rather than air pollutants or radioactive waste, novel hydride compounds with potential commercial applications are the products.
Here a link to the technical documentation of how this technology works from an engineering stand point.

http://www.blacklightpower.com/presentations/Techtheoryintro080608.pdf

Here is a flash video on how the system works.

http://www.blacklightpower.com/FLASH/process_rt_cell.swf

BlackLight has built, tested and demonstrated to its share holders and investors successfully a small unit able to deliver up to 50 KW. This unit can supply enough energy for 6 to 7 houses. BlackLight states that larger units can be built to supply the needed levels of demand for large cities. Here is the process BlackLight recommends for running their unit.

Searl Ring Generator

The Searl Effect is by definition the conversion of random quantum fluctuations and quantum kinetic energy into coherent currents of electron pairs formed between two dimensional boundaries of material layers in a changing Hall Effect field resulting in temperature decreases inversely proportional to the currents. This quantum process enables said device with the capacity to function both as a prime mover and more so as a generator.
Incidental effects include a halo of negative ionization of the surrounding air, vacuum by high voltage, cooling temperatures of the local environment, gravitational and inertial anomalies under specific conditions.

One of the forerunners for this business model, this technology has been given approval for installation in both Israel and Thailand.

Site links to further information are:

http://www.searlsolution.com/

Here is a picture of the Sear Ring Generator

Magnetic Generator

Though in its infant stages of development, Motionless Electromagnetic Generator (MEG) technology is by far the most inexpensive to make and maintain. Develop over the last 12 years; a group of scientists from around the globe are ready to put the final touches on a generator that requires NO MOTION. That’s right, no moving parts. Here is picture of a running model of the unit.

US Patent # 6,362,718
Motionless Electromagnetic Generators
Patrick , et al.
(March 26, 2002)

Here is a link to a store with books that contain extensive information on magnets.
http://cheniere.org/sales/online-store.htm

Email me if you want to read a Document I put together on Getting Rid of the Electrical Grid.

In the light and love of all that is

Paul

Mozart

08-22-2008, 10:01 PM

Fascinating thread, guys.

Years ago, before the internet was active, I was always dreaming up indeas/inventions by the many hundreds, but, given my own difficult circumstances of being nearly deaf, not having $ resources, having gone through a confidence-shattering loss of a business with which I could have had the $ to invest in myself, I just did not feel energy/drive to do the hard work to bring forth the several free-energy ideas that I dreamed up on my own with no references to any scientific material at all. It was all based on my own intuition.

The first one was the flywheel concept. I had intuitively perceived in a MJ-inspired brainstorm (that stemmed from my days as a kid having so MUCH fun turning my bike upside down and spinning the back wheel to stupendous speeds and I had noticed that it took only a half-spin of the crankcase to keep the wheel going at top speed) that a big flywheel could be made and kept spinning by pulses of energy from a number of sources -- a human cycling on a bike, a battery that was charged up by a solar panel and things like that. I just knew that this flywheel concept would work, but I had no proof of it and I never told anybody about it, 'cept David recently when I was talking with him at the recent Health & Harmony Festival in Santa Rosa.

I am very pleased to now know that hundreds of scientists had proven the viability of the flywheel concept. I had intuited that it would need high-quality, low-friction ball bearings and minimal resistance to the air and so on.

In another MJ-inspired dream brainstorm, I had intuited that magnetics would be perfect for getting free energy out from. I had a couple of them: one was a pair of large (2 feet dia), round, flat discs about 4" thick with a record-disc-like hole in the middle of each; the discs would be mounted on a non-metallic pole, like a solid fiberglass pole and have a high-quality set of sealed ball bearings on each disc; the discs would be compressed together through a heavy weight pushing down on them and being attached to the pole and I figured that one would only need to start the counter-rotational spinning with the spin of a hand and that it would keep going; loosely touching the edges of the discs would be generators generating electricity and I figured that the force of the weight on the discs would be enough to overcome the friction of the generators touching the discs; the other was a similar set up, but with the discs being vertical and being squeezed together by the turning of something to push them together and I'm pleased to see that others have come up with very similar devices like I described and better ones based on the use of magnetics for energy-generation.

The third idea that I intuited was a pyramid-shaped battery that would be made in such a way that energy would be constantly be generated by the shape of the pyramid itself and inside the pyramid would be a deep-cycle battery that would store the energy. I figure that this gizmo would work as well. I don't know of any devices like this one out there, but I just figure that it would work.

For me, the drag of being here in 3-D is that it takes SO DAMN MUCH energy to overcome one's own inertia to create/make anything, so I had a hard time dealing with that when I was more used to much-easier, smoother manifestations of physical objects that one desires. For a long time I wondered just why in the hell I wound up here in a reality that develops along like molasses. I still dunno why, but, at least, 2012 is just around the corner and I sure as hell look forward to that greatest moment of our lives to happen.

I also look forward to the end of the rule of the damned Illoonynaughties (just around the corner, in about a month and a half or so, their rule/domination will come to a decisive close) and the subsequent release world-wide of the many thousands of free-energy devices that will finally free us up and give us SO MUCH NEW HOPE to help us heal ourselves and our world. I can't wait for that day when free energy is no longer rumored and that it is reality that we can touch, see and benefit from.

America will implode economically (in Oct of this year) and it will be chaos for a few months (here and world-wide), but, trust me, the new devices will come out and we will be freed from the domination of the capital-intensive, Illoonynaughty-controlled energy corporations.

What is awesome about the free energy devices is that they will drop the cost floor in the production of things/food/infrastructure, etc, so, we really won't have to raise the prices of too many things -- we can drop the costs of the creations of the needed things and that would help stabilize our economies, plus the monetary units world-wide will quickly revert to a gold/silver standard, thus ushering in an age of monetary stability and a massive amount of wonderful activity in our energetic activity to quickly eliminate hunger, fix our environment, restructure our cities, etc. It's gonna be a great time from mid-2009 to 2012. I look forward to that. Maybe I'll finally recharge my tired, old 3-D batteries and come to life again.

Gort

08-23-2008, 08:15 AM

The other day I was visiting with my doctor and she and I got talking about free energy and some of the things that might change because of that. It was a great conversation.

I have a hard time trying to understand the dynamics of the power to suppress this. It always has been about control. History has always shown that the more you try to control something the worse things become.

So what is it that is so dangerous that makes someone insist that this be kept under wraps? I believe that the answer is us. We are our own worst enemies.

I sit and try to imagine a world with free energy. There is that consensus that claims that if we had free energy, we would loose the desire to work and it would destroy the whole balance of things.

I am looking at it from a different view.

You wake up in the morning and say to yourself "what should I do today?"
Perhaps you want to go visit the pyramids or some other part of the world that you have never seen. Imagine that you could travel anywhere for free.

Imagine that instead of being required to work for money to pay your bills, that you worked because you wanted to do something that pleased you.

I go back to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs Theory and the foundation of that is fulfilling your basic needs. Once that has been accomplished, then you can move forward expanding your quest for knowledge.

So now I think about all of the things that I must have in order to survive.
I need shelter, I need food, I need companionship. If these things are provided for me then I am happy and I turn my thoughts to entertaining myself. This is how we as humans have evolved to the present.

I know that things get complicated going up the pyramid, but at the top you have fulfilled your own personal goals, and you look to help those who haven't, reach higher until they fulfill theirs.

So I would like to hear what others think about how the world would operate having a free energy source and what life might be like. I believe that if we concentrate on how we would live with it, we would find the way to overcome the suppression that is holding us back.

I once went to a meeting where all of the people who were going to be at this meeting were very unhappy. I was told that if I wanted to solve the issue, that I should make a rule.

Rule: If you are going to complain about something, then you have to come up with a solution as to how you would solve the problem.

This seemed to work very well, as soon everyone in the room was trying to solve the problems instead of complaining about them.

The future of now, is solving the problem of why we don't have free energy.

I hope this engages you to respond.

billybobbutterball

05-02-2009, 03:44 PM

SEE UPDATE AT BOTTOM! BBB

Miracle Magnet Motor story revives dusty old thread!!

WOW!

Ultra-interesting going-ons revolving around a simple, free energy device

http://pesn.com/2009/05/01/9501534_NSA_apologizes_to_Mylow/

Magnet Motor works! :)

After motor is featured on U-tube, guy in black suit predictably shows up and confiscates product. Tells our hero to get disinterested in his invention for anything more than just a secret, amusing toy for his own enjoyment ..... Or Else :eek:

However Inventor, a Mr. Mylow, is summoned to be interviewed by apparently high ranking gov. official --who remains hidden behind one-way glass. Others on hand -- his side of the window -- inform him that the principle is already in their hands, since a similar device had been confiscated from a Mr. Johnston, who got black-suited and was understandably discouraged and scared off.

Bottom line:

No secrets involved...giving device for public usage...no royalties...when asked "how will you make any money" he replies, I don't want any. He also states that there is a patent covering the device, but which has been around so long as to have expired.(!?) Meaning that it is now in the public domain.:cool:

Later, scary Black Suit guy shows up to return device, and apologizes for scaring the s..t out of him earlier... before he leaves the inventor is politely asked to sign a document...probably some kind of, "I will not sue you for kidnapping my stuff and scaring the hell out of me" release.

This is really strange when considering the numerous politically-incorrect inventors who have encountered mysterious deaths at awkward moments, or those who have publicly abandoned pursuing their invention (the Joe-Cell is one well-known example, with the inventor backing off, but in this case the device is still found on the net.)

We can only wait to see how this strange reversal of a (NSA?) shadow policy of relentless cover-up plays out...?

best, etc. billybobenergizerbunny:p

PS always something popping up on Rense

AN UPDATING..from evidence coming forth from those involved with him this guy is apparently a fraud

Resonare Fibris

12-27-2009, 06:22 AM

Has anybody ever wondered about the idea that since you can't very easily find free energy generators and Searl Effect Generators, maybe the only choice left is to try to construct one yourself, no matter how difficult and expensive that would be. Is there anybody here who knows how these things could be built or would it be simply impossible? If matter and energy can be created from "emptiness" or from the "aether", can anyone tell how?

noppy

12-27-2009, 03:44 PM

wouldn't that be awesome !! just imagine what life would be and what our beloved earth is gona feel. i wonder if this tool can help us spritual to help us find our memory, so the day will come we don't need it. they say we use 10% of our brains heck what would happen if we use the full 100% of it !! :D something bigger than a superman that's for sure.

Beau

01-08-2010, 08:37 AM

I came across a myspace movement that seems to be pretty legit. they say anyone can start a disclosure page for their own home town. I can see where someone would hesitant about starting one, considering no one wants a knock on that front door. I look at is as well, i know they cant stop all of us. Thats how they are really keeping us from getting this information out, to keep us scared, because being scared is a form of control.

evolving

01-08-2010, 09:27 AM

aqcheryl

01-09-2010, 08:06 AM

The other 90% is what is veiled, and as such, we will never use it in the 3rd density.

Actually we dont know that. Our knowledge in this density is forever expanding. Before the industrial age, we were utilizing even less brain power, we thought we knew everything there was to know. The simple universal truth is we will never know all of the answers, but that doesnt mean we will not further our growth even in this density.

evolving

01-09-2010, 12:09 PM

Actually we dont know that. Our knowledge in this density is forever expanding. Before the industrial age, we were utilizing even less brain power, we thought we knew everything there was to know. The simple universal truth is we will never know all of the answers, but that doesnt mean we will not further our growth even in this density.

Agreed. We may end up using eleven or twelve percent by the harvest ;)

noppy

01-09-2010, 02:23 PM

why is a huge part of it veiled? did something happened in our dna or were we brainwashed from the beginning of life on this planet, like school,society, religion, belief system?.

Pardillor

01-09-2010, 02:44 PM

Have you recently heard that Dr.Greer has signed a contract with a black ops scientific?

Dr.Greer says that they will have a prototype this spring. You can listen the anouncement in Puja Radio. Greer says the FE Device has been reproduced in an independent laboratory ( if reproducible...that means that the scientific principles are correct).

I was quite shocked about this anouncement and I have many questions:

As Jaybird says this device should pass through the patent office, and will take a while to be tested, and I wonder, will they give a patent to a device that could destroy the whole energenic business? I believe as Jaybird that they are not going to let this thing happen.

How are they going to release the information in case they don´t want to go through patent office? Internet?

I think that we should plan how the release of this vital info would be done.

What are the steps in your opinion that should be taken? I believe that a very fast implementation would be key point, if a lot of people around the world has the device working then FE is unstoppable.

What do you think?

Thanks