Ormus/microclusters revisited

[tanam]

Hi there folks,
I read some articles about Ormus in this DC forum some time ago, it seems like people believe that this substance is a short-cut to enlightenment or ascension. I was skeptical due to the old school thinking "things of value must be earned through hardwork, perseverance, determination, and sometimes through a period of tests". As Edgar Cayce used to say it "are you willing to pay the price?" to the people who wanted to develop psychic powers. If we ingest monatomic substances and become superhuman light beings, then we'll be bound to make mistakes of misusing the powers because of relative ease of acquiring the powers ... that's my two-cents on this.

Anyway, I found this warning article about monatomic gold:
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/monoatomicgoldthinktwice15aug05.shtml

Apparently there are contentions about the usefulness, potential addictive and DNA damaging quality of this substance. Any thoughts? Anyone actually took this substance internally?


L/L,
Tt

[MarkM]

I recall some years ago reading a lengthy article by David Hudson who is credited with being the discoverer of 'orbitally re-arranged monatomic elements' or ORMEs. At the time, it occurred to me that the ingesting of this substance was of questionable value, as it seemed a bit like 'taking the gates of heaven by force', so to speak. I don't think there is any such thing as a shortcut to personal evolution or enlightenment other than the intelligent and disciplined integration of life's experiences.

In the context of this website, by far the most interesting thing regarding this material is it's apparent identification with atomic microclusters, with it's anomalous and awe inspiring physical characteristics, such as the apparent ease (with the application of thermal variance) with which it can be made to de-materialize from this plane of existence, seemingly flipping over into time/space and back here into space/time. The attainment of zero mass and the accompanying visual disappearance from a lab dish is a re-creatable experiment.

The scientific implication of this and other observations regarding microclusters can be researched at length in David Wilcock's on-site e-book, 'Divine Cosmos'. Such study by scientists dedicated to uncovering the truth of the nature of reality is to me the more fruitful avenue of approach, as opposed to the issue of ingesting it.

[tanam]

Yes, I agree with you.

The thing is as I read the e-book I went to search for clarifications in the DC discussion forum. There I found related topics dated as far back as 2002. A lot of them by this Barry Carter guy, who seemed to promote ormus and its internal application (i.e. ingesting it) at every opportune time, even giving examples of how he reversed aging. He mentioned about how a certain product (begins with letter "z") can make people psychic instantly. When I read that, it sounded very questionable.

This thing can be misleading and dupe people, so that's why I posted the link to the ormus/whitegold hazardous warning. I am an old school person "Nothing of value comes without being earned" (quoted from Michael Jordan). We transform from within by applying self-discipline, that's the hefty price most people don't want to pay.

Tan

[JayBird]

Hello again,
There is no chemical shortcut to ascension. All the potions in the world at best may help free your mind from imbalance allowing for perfect clarity and focus but nothing will do the work for you ie just as any sleeping pill will do you no good unless you lay down and try to sleep instead of staying up drinking coffee.

What most ormus material does is balance the brainwaves in the brain. Some people try the same thing with binural beats & soundwaves or meditation. The best studies have shown ORMUS (specifically WPG) to be a possible cure for ADHD and suggested at best to be an aid in concentration. Ascension technology is perception and intention based, if you can not focus on your perceptions or intentions, your ESP (extra sensory perception) perceives nothing usable in the cognitive anomalies research.

It is more fruitful to at first clear out the poisons that imbalance the brain, with this you can then with more clarity make better decisions and define your perceptions and intentions with more precision.

I have have completed a very in depth report on the issue. Although it is geared towards remote viewers, the principle is the same.
[please email Jay for url]

Although there are benefits from using ORMUS and the list is long, it is no shortcut to obtaining ascension powers just as putting high octane gas in your vehicle does not make you a race car driver.

Anyone wanting to know if ORMUS turns you into a an egyptian mummy or something else mystical; I speak from experience and take ORMUS on a regular basis and have now for several years. As long as i keep the toxins out, i have no problems and it does enhance my ability to focus on my perceptions and intentions.

If you want to become one with the nature, start by living a natural life excising the toxins and distractions out of your system and your life that makes us at odds with our own minds, bodies and each other.

i hope that helps.

[solisrex]

Lets see what Q'uo has to say about ORMUS.
http://www.llresearch.org/tranSCRIPTs/issues/2005/2005_1014.htm
V: Thank you, there is. E’s second query is, “Do you see my work with DNA activation and Ormus as beneficial to my spiritual evolution?”

(Carla channeling)

We are those known as the Q’uo, and we are aware of your query, my brother. The one known as V and this instrument were speaking earlier concerning this very question, and it was mentioned that almost anything is helpful to spiritual growth. We would agree with this assessment. We cannot offer you a general estimate of the value either of the DNA Enhancement study or of the Ormus study, although we grasp the excellence of the energy connected with those who do this work. Moreover, we grasp that in both instances entities of considerable spiritual polarity and power are working with valid and legitimate principles within the natural world and producing provocative and helpful material.
I have been ingesting ORMUS for about 18 months and have had nothing but positve results. On the physical side my Ormus use coincided with the cessation of cronic sinusitus, and lower back pain due to chidhood injury; These being my only health issues. In fact I have not had any type of sickness since using ORMUS. Spiritually, ORMUS use noticably deepens my meditation and seems to aid in my processing of catalyst. Mentally, the most evident result is dream enhancement. I went from remembering two or three dreams in a week to seemingly total dream recall. I now achieve lucid dreaming about every other night - a truely wonderful experience.

Barry Carter"s site and forum mentioned above is a good source of information. Further, there is an interesting presentation on google video by author Sir Laurence Gardner about his book "Lost Secrets of the Sacred Ark."http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2129165010048711403
As for the warning listed in the first post, a quick google of Anna Hayes might be helpful in determining validity of the article.

Love and Light to All

[Moderator Note: when the group was situated at Yahoo, Barry Carter was a regular poster and Ormus was an approved topic there, so it is here too]

[Val Zee]

There are numerous recommendations in Laurence Gardner's writings where in discussing Ormus or WPG that seem to indicate that we should already be well on the path to spiritual development before deciding to use these substances and it makes sense when you consider that they are intended to move one along to greater achievement and enlightenment in spiritual endeavors. Can you imagine for a moment giving that kind of power to an emotionally undisciplined person when in a moment of thoughtless anger they might momentarily wish another some misfortune or harm forgetting that a thought is so powerful as to cause the harm instantaneously. My thoughts on this are to think carefully because these spiritual gifts must make one more careful and responsible in their application. For myself, I think I must be sure that I have developed to the point where I won't be tempted to "mis-think or misuse" any of the gifts that might be obtained through their use.

[Magical_Mongoose]

I recall hearing the story of a man who had used monoatomic gold. He said that it made him feel entirely emotionally flat, and despite it being several months of him not taking it, this lack of feeling remained :cool:. On the other hand, I recall another guy going ape-wild about how great it was...but he seemed highly unstable :eek:. So I think that's the danger associated with it, that it can disrupt energetic patterns within the mind, resulting in their amplification or the hindering of other faculties depending on the region it accumulates in. However, perhaps some who've obtained a degree of energetic equalization beforehand could benefit from this? I could be entirely wrong, yet it certainly doesn't resonate with me at this time.

Nothing of value comes without being earned" (quoted from Michael Jordan). We transform from within by applying self-discipline, that's the hefty price most people don't want to pay.
This is too true, yet one shouldn't be Calvin-esque about this endeavor. Some things will be given to you, some things will be earned. Shortcuts are potentially available, yet as JayBird says, one must have that intent and freewill to maintain your bearings and path.

[tanam]

Very true, mate ... the effect is different for different people. Your comment about me being too Calvinesque is also one area I need to work on. It is embedded in my mind from my youth ... One time I got the first ranking in my high school class and was still beating myself up because I thought my classmates were not as smart as the other classes. I simply did not think of myself as worthy of being ranked the first ... I thought I should have competed against smarter people in the other class. Now I'm trying to reverse this just by being thankful for everything. Besides I feel getting dumber nowadays, what with the bombardment of junk information from everywhere. I'm selective with what info I take in and digest now.

Digressing a wee bit ....
The other day I listened to Lynn McTaggart interview on "retroactive prayer", which reminded me of Seth's saying that we can reach back to our youth and pray for our younger self to be more enlightened, we can create our past, our present, and our future. I am doing this ... healing myself and my relationships with people in my past. Kinda like what Ra described our Higher Self is doing before melding into 7D and higher ... reaching back to us in 3D and 4D and teaching us groovy stuff.

Yes, certainly there ARE short cuts ... I should not have given such a blanket statement regarding Ormus.

Much love + light,
Tan

[conundrum]

What if Ormes is your birth right to enlightenment and some ******** in an nice suit with tonnes of money is keeping it from you because he enjoys the illusion of feeling superior to you and doesn't wish to lose the prestige and power . Imagine if fluoride was purposely placed in the water supply to keep us all dumbed down and to damage our pineal glands so that we are purposely kept in the dark from our true nature and power .

[licknowd3r]

I was curious if anyone here has tried this. I've talked to chemists who say it just isn't possible to break the bonds of gold, into single monatomic elements, but it is possible, the ancient sumerians and egyptians were even able to do it. The man who rediscovered it was David Hudson, a farmer in Arizona I believe, and Laurence Gardner has a documentary on it. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2129165010048711403&q=lost+secrets+of+the+sacred+ark&ei=IpOCSL_nEYTA4AL70tHWCA

[moderator disclaimer: this is a fantastic presentation by Laurence Gardner, but the mods wish to make the point that although orbitally rearranged monatomic elements hold great promise in fields ranging from medical therapy to space travel applications, the ingestion of these materials for the purpose of accelerating one's spiritual growth, or attempting to negate the indespensible application of life experience for spiritual gain is not recommended by Divine Cosmos.]

[conundrum]

I just found this link http://williamhenry.net/dreamland_11_13_04.mp3
this is a pretty mind blowing interview it discusses ORMES the current earth changes and they discuss the pineal gland and alchemy among other things.

Oddly they never mention David Radius Hudson whom has strangely not been mentioned
yet his discovery was the catalyst that brought all this information into the public eye, every one seems to be riding on his shirt tail yet at the time every one said he was a crank throw your religions in the bin as what Hudson has said seems to be coming true.

Hudson did say the changes are coming and theres nothing any one can do to stop them, DW was also mentioned in this interview.