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mudpuppy

11-14-2001, 09:07 PM

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>Jeff, what I said about Jesus was a paraphrased quote from Ra, as far as I can remember. The Ra quotes that you posted do not change that. It would be difficult for me to find the quotes, as I do not remember even which book it was in.
>
>
>Tiffani says:
>I just meant that being able to discern sts can be helpful to those that need more sto in their lives...
>
>Tiffani, I think this is a huge misnomer about sto and sts. People need more "polarization" as Ra puts it,not more sto. Polarization means ability to hold light or in other words, I would say how "high" we are. So whatever gets a person "high" would then create more polarization in their case. However if the "high"is only short lived, then reflection isneeded in order tostay "high" but also "wide" enough to hold the high. How do you like them apples?
>
>mudpuppy
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: Jeff Wellman (jswell66@att.net)
style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 9:15 PM
style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: [asc2k] Re: More Comments on excessive STO
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><tt>previous message:</tt>
><tt>"According to Ra, Jesus was excessively sto which caused him to become a martyr and create problems for himself to this day in the density where he abides."</tt>
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>
class="MsoBodyText2">This is a very simplistic approach to the statement of Jesus being excessively STO. From what I get out of the RA material you have to review the beginning of Jesus’ life, according to RA.
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class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-RIGHT: -13.5pt">“Unfortunately, this entity first discovered his ability to penetrate intelligent infinity by becoming the distortion you call angry, at a playmate. This entity was touched by the entity known as Jesus and was fatally wounded. Thus the one known as Jesus became aware that there dwelt in him a terrible potential. This entity determined to discover how to use his energy for the good, not for the negative.” RA Book I, page 164.<o:p></o:p>
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class="MsoBodyText">“The entity you call Jesus was galvanized by this experience and began a lifetime of seeking and searching.” RA Book I, page 165
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class="MsoNormal">So here you have an entity, searching and learning his whole life, and at some point, penetrates the veil and realizes his purpose, to teach the lessons of Love and Oneness. 
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class="MsoBodyText">“This entity became aware that it was not an entity of itself but operated as a messenger of the One Creator whom this entity saw as Love.” Ra Book I, page 165
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class="MsoNormal">Now comes Judas into the picture. I think Judas believed very much in Jesus’ teachings and knew the power that Jesus had within him. I’m sure he pleaded to Jesus to use his power to stop the elite from persecuting the people.
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class="MsoBodyText">“Judas, who believed that it was doing the appropriate thing in bringing about or forcing upon the one you call Jesus the necessity for bringing in the third-density planetary power distortion of third-density rule over others. This entity, Judas, felt that if pushed into a corner, the entity you call Jesus would then be able to see the wisdom of using the power of intelligent infinity in order to rule others … Jesus was not oriented toward this distortion.” RA Book I, page 163. 
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class="MsoNormal">Jesus knew that all was One, and to use his power against the free will of any entity, whether STO or STS, would be a violation of the Law of One and distortion of free will. For he knew to do so, would entangle and trap his beingness in 3rd dimension karma. In my eyes he really had no choice. By forgiving those against him, he also relieved his own personal 3rd dimension karma of killing the other entity from his youth. 
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class="MsoNormal">Lastly, I do not see any problems that Jesus has caused himself to this day in the density where he abides. He came to earth from the highest order of the 4th dimension, and jumped up to the 5th dimension after his incarnation. I think this is a story of success in the eyes of our creator.
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class="MsoBodyText">“This entity studies now the lessons of the wisdom vibration, the fifth-density, also called the light vibration.” RA Book I, page165.
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class="MsoBodyText">Just a few thoughts.<o:p></o:p>
class="MsoBodyText">Take care all,<o:p></o:p>
class="MsoBodyText">Jeff

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Jeremy Weiland

11-15-2001, 07:43 AM

> Jeff, what I said about Jesus was a paraphrased
> quote from Ra, as far as I can remember. The Ra
> quotes that you posted do not change that. It would
> be difficult for me to find the quotes, as I do not
> remember even which book it was in.

Well, it would be very helpful if you could find those
quotes, as I don't remember Ra ever saying anything
about Jesus having problems being excessively sto. In
fact, how could being excessively polarized be a
problem in 3D, since polarization is the whole point
of us being here?

> Tiffani, I think this is a huge misnomer about sto
> and sts. People need more "polarization" as Ra puts
> it, not more sto. Polarization means ability to
> hold light or in other words, I would say how "high"
> we are. So whatever gets a person "high" would then
> create more polarization in their case. However if
> the "high" is only short lived, then reflection is
> needed in order to stay "high" but also "wide"
> enough to hold the high. How do you like them
> apples?

I understand your use of the word "high" I think, as
in the level to which you are able to polarize. By
"wide" do you mean your ability to integrate and
maintain your highest degree of polarization in
everyday, constant consciousness?

I agree with you, though: the point of 3D is
polarization; that is, making the choice of what path
you are going to follow in the higher densities. The
more you polarize, the more love/light you are able to
distill and integrate for either sto or sts purposes,
and therefore the more able you will be to function
consciously in densities of higher vibrational energy.

I think it's a safe bet that everybody on this list is
on the sto path, whether they know it or not. The
question is whether you've sufficiently polarized to
sto.

Jeremy

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dreskir

11-15-2001, 09:13 AM

As far as being a paraphrased quote from Ra.........Could it have
been Seth possibly?

-- In asc2k@y..., Jeremy Weiland <greenlantern113@y...> wrote:
> > Jeff, what I said about Jesus was a paraphrased
> > quote from Ra, as far as I can remember. The Ra
> > quotes that you posted do not change that. It would
> > be difficult for me to find the quotes, as I do not
> > remember even which book it was in.
>
> Well, it would be very helpful if you could find those
> quotes, as I don't remember Ra ever saying anything
> about Jesus having problems being excessively sto. In
> fact, how could being excessively polarized be a
> problem in 3D, since polarization is the whole point
> of us being here?
>
>
> > Tiffani, I think this is a huge misnomer about sto
> > and sts. People need more "polarization" as Ra puts
> > it, not more sto. Polarization means ability to
> > hold light or in other words, I would say how "high"
> > we are. So whatever gets a person "high" would then
> > create more polarization in their case. However if
> > the "high" is only short lived, then reflection is
> > needed in order to stay "high" but also "wide"
> > enough to hold the high. How do you like them
> > apples?
>
> I understand your use of the word "high" I think, as
> in the level to which you are able to polarize. By
> "wide" do you mean your ability to integrate and
> maintain your highest degree of polarization in
> everyday, constant consciousness?
>
> I agree with you, though: the point of 3D is
> polarization; that is, making the choice of what path
> you are going to follow in the higher densities. The
> more you polarize, the more love/light you are able to
> distill and integrate for either sto or sts purposes,
> and therefore the more able you will be to function
> consciously in densities of higher vibrational energy.
>
> I think it's a safe bet that everybody on this list is
> on the sto path, whether they know it or not. The
> question is whether you've sufficiently polarized to
> sto.
>
> Jeremy
>
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mudpuppy

11-15-2001, 11:04 AM

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Jeremy, my limited search of my Ra materials turned up the following quote. I still think a similar quote from Ra was attributed to Jesus, butAnyway thisquote makes my point , even in stronger terms, as it says that even Ra is learning the error of"unrelieved compassion".


II RA WAS TOO COMPASSIONATE IN 4TH DENSITY
RA: As a group soul in 4th density, we had the tendency towards compassion even to martyrdom in aid of other selves. When the 5th density harvest was achieved, we found that, in this vibratory level, flaws could be seen in the usefulness of such unrelieved compassion. We spent much time in contemplation of those ways of the Creator which fill love with Wisdom. (B2, 95)

Jeremy says:
In fact, how could being excessively polarized be a
problem in 3D, since polarization is the whole point
of us being here?

Polarization means "Charge". Seeking to become more sto is like becoming a Jesus Freak, it seems to me. Does it increase your "charge"? and for how long? Is it permanent, or is it actually a Self Deception of STS? Becoming more sto means becoming more sto as a whole being (Wide), not as a mental construct. Living out our sts desires increases our charge, and increases our polarization to sto, if that's our "natural or true" polarity. A fifth density sts changes very easily to sixth density sto when he/she realizes that sts is a dead end at fifth density. This is because he/she already is " highly charged". 

What do you think of them apples?

mudpuppy





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style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: Jeremy Weiland (greenlantern113@yahoo.com)
style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:43 AM
style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: [asc2k] High and Wide and Jesus too
>
<tt>> Jeff, what I said about Jesus was a paraphrased
> quote from Ra, as far as I can remember. The Ra
> quotes that you posted do not change that. It would
> be difficult for me to find the quotes, as I do not
> remember even which book it was in.

Well, it would be very helpful if you could find those
quotes, as I don't remember Ra ever saying anything
about Jesus having problems being excessively sto. In
fact, how could being excessively polarized be a
problem in 3D, since polarization is the whole point
of us being here?

> Tiffani, I think this is a huge misnomer about sto
> and sts. People need more "polarization" as Ra puts
> it, not more sto. Polarization means ability to
> hold light or in other words, I would say how "high"
> we are. So whatever gets a person "high" would then
> create more polarization in their case. However if
> the "high" is only short lived, then reflection is
> needed in order to stay "high" but also "wide"
> enough to hold the high. How do you like them
> apples?

I understand your use of the word "high" I think, as
in the level to which you are able to polarize. By
"wide" do you mean your ability to integrate and
maintain your highest degree of polarization in
everyday, constant consciousness?

I agree with you, though: the point of 3D is
polarization; that is, making the choice of what path
you are going to follow in the higher densities. The
more you polarize, the more love/light you are able to
distill and integrate for either sto or sts purposes,
and therefore the more able you will be to function
consciously in densities of higher vibrational energy.

I think it's a safe bet that everybody on this list is
on the sto path, whether they know it or not. The
question is whether you've sufficiently polarized to
sto.

Jeremy

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